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2020-04-05 12:31:18 AM  
All Terrain...Carrier?  I know the term ATV; not familiar with ATC. If I Google it, I'll get a bunch of stuff like Actuary Testing Center, Omaha, NB

/Made that up, but I bet if actuaries take tests, it's in Omaha.
 
2020-04-05 12:49:15 AM  

Biscuit Tin: not familiar with ATC


Three wheeler.  So dangerous that manufacturers discontinued their production.

/they were/are incredibly prone to rolling.
 
2020-04-05 2:11:48 AM  

Sgygus: Biscuit Tin: not familiar with ATC

Three wheeler.  So dangerous that manufacturers discontinued their production.

/they were/are incredibly prone to rolling.


And unlike motorcycles, which are more prone to a low-side crash, these things almost exclusively pitch you over high-side. It's ugly.
 
2020-04-05 2:13:24 AM  

Biscuit Tin: All Terrain...Carrier?  I know the term ATV; not familiar with ATC. If I Google it, I'll get a bunch of stuff like Actuary Testing Center, Omaha, NB

/Made that up, but I bet if actuaries take tests, it's in Omaha.


I believe its an acronym for All Terrain Cycle.
 
2020-04-05 2:34:13 AM  

Sgygus: Biscuit Tin: not familiar with ATC

Three wheeler.  So dangerous that manufacturers discontinued their production.

/they were/are incredibly prone to rolling.


Remember the outcry at the time from freedumb lovers who hated the gubment takin' away their toys?
 
2020-04-05 3:04:59 AM  
And to hell with helmet laws.

When I worked at a Harley-Davidson dealership in college, the California guys almost all removed their helmets as soon as they got into Arizona. I hit a big-ass junebug while doing 65 on a desert highway after the toy parade. I was riding one of the dealership's custom $25,000 Fat Boys. The bug hit my forehead and I was wearing a hat, thank god. Had that thing hit me in the eye, I would've been road pizza, even though eye protection is required. After that, I never rode without a helmet again.

Years later, after I started teaching, I was listening to the local news on TV as I was getting ready. I heard my boss's son's name and that he'd been killed in the west valley when he took a 90-degree turn too fast and hit gravel. He wasn't wearing a helmet. He was 16 and, by law, was supposed to wear a helmet, but his dad's flippant attitude about helmets didn't make it a priority.
 
2020-04-05 7:54:26 AM  
air traffic control?
 
2020-04-05 7:54:49 AM  
I thought maybe he fell out of the tower.
 
2020-04-05 8:17:33 AM  

Sgygus: Biscuit Tin: not familiar with ATC

Three wheeler.  So dangerous that manufacturers discontinued their production.

/they were/are incredibly prone to rolling.


I did a double-take when I saw it was a three wheeler. I haven't seen one of those for probably 20 years. Even growing up as a typical small town WI kid who rode 4 wheelers and snowmobiles, I wouldn't touch one of those things. Same with my friends. So dangerous.
 
2020-04-05 8:26:55 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: And to hell with helmet laws.

When I worked at a Harley-Davidson dealership in college, the California guys almost all removed their helmets as soon as they got into Arizona. I hit a big-ass junebug while doing 65 on a desert highway after the toy parade. I was riding one of the dealership's custom $25,000 Fat Boys. The bug hit my forehead and I was wearing a hat, thank god. Had that thing hit me in the eye, I would've been road pizza, even though eye protection is required. After that, I never rode without a helmet again.

Years later, after I started teaching, I was listening to the local news on TV as I was getting ready. I heard my boss's son's name and that he'd been killed in the west valley when he took a 90-degree turn too fast and hit gravel. He wasn't wearing a helmet. He was 16 and, by law, was supposed to wear a helmet, but his dad's flippant attitude about helmets didn't make it a priority.


That's sad. I've always been amazed by the people who buy the absolute minimum that could possibly pass for a helmet, then pull over and take it off the moment they get out of a state requiring helmets. Yeah, they sure showed the man with their yarmulke soaked in hairspray and dried.
 
2020-04-05 8:27:15 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Sgygus: Biscuit Tin: not familiar with ATC

Three wheeler.  So dangerous that manufacturers discontinued their production.

/they were/are incredibly prone to rolling.

I did a double-take when I saw it was a three wheeler. I haven't seen one of those for probably 20 years. Even growing up as a typical small town WI kid who rode 4 wheelers and snowmobiles, I wouldn't touch one of those things. Same with my friends. So dangerous.


Reverse threes, though, are becoming more popular - two in front, one in back - because you don't have the "let's roll like hell on tiny turns & braking maneuvers" issue with them unless you're going full-tilt in reverse.
 
2020-04-05 8:27:57 AM  
Bout 1978 i rented a 3 wheeler for 20 bucks for 3 hours. Sooo much fun, and you do get used to the roll issue. Took it on a 25 mile adventure in the mountains. You sure cant buy that kind of fun anymore...
 
2020-04-05 8:31:39 AM  

skiinstructor: Bout 1978 i rented a 3 wheeler for 20 bucks for 3 hours. Sooo much fun, and you do get used to the roll issue. Took it on a 25 mile adventure in the mountains. You sure cant buy that kind of fun anymore...


You get used to the roll issue the same way a WWII pilot becomes an Ace. Survive the first few and chances of dying go way down, but it never becomes even remotely safe.
 
2020-04-05 8:32:01 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: And to hell with helmet laws.

When I worked at a Harley-Davidson dealership in college, the California guys almost all removed their helmets as soon as they got into Arizona. I hit a big-ass junebug while doing 65 on a desert highway after the toy parade. I was riding one of the dealership's custom $25,000 Fat Boys. The bug hit my forehead and I was wearing a hat, thank god. Had that thing hit me in the eye, I would've been road pizza, even though eye protection is required. After that, I never rode without a helmet again.

Years later, after I started teaching, I was listening to the local news on TV as I was getting ready. I heard my boss's son's name and that he'd been killed in the west valley when he took a 90-degree turn too fast and hit gravel. He wasn't wearing a helmet. He was 16 and, by law, was supposed to wear a helmet, but his dad's flippant attitude about helmets didn't make it a priority.


Michigan rescinded it's helmet law.  The only guys I know personally who have dropped their bikes are guys who don't wear helmets.

I'm always full faced, but I rented a bike in South Africa and borrowed a dirt bike helmet and googles.  It protected just about everything except this spot right under my eyes.  Sure enough, a wasp so big and fat that I saw it coming hit me right there.  I think it hit me stinger first because it stung more than it felt a bug strike should.  It bleed a little, but I pulled over wiped the bug out and carried on.
 
2020-04-05 8:35:17 AM  
I did a double take when I read ATC rather than ATV, I haven't seen that term in a long time.  A friend of mine had a  Honda ATC200E Big Red back in the 80's. It was fun as hell to ride but I stopped after all the bad press from crashes. Glad I stopped, that thing was sketchy as hell.
 
2020-04-05 8:43:39 AM  
I remember wanting one so much when I was little, they looked fun.

Kidd Video - Easy Love
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db2
2020-04-05 8:48:34 AM  
So it's basically an open-top Reliant Robin?
 
2020-04-05 8:51:01 AM  

Sgygus: Biscuit Tin: not familiar with ATC

Three wheeler.  So dangerous that manufacturers discontinued their production.

/they were/are incredibly prone to rolling.


Well they used one in Police Academy and I didn't hear anyone laughing!

/even seeing this scene as a kid, I remember thinking that the rider was struggling to keep the thing upright
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2020-04-05 8:53:34 AM  

db2: So it's basically an open-top Reliant Robin?


With a shorter wheelbase.
 
2020-04-05 8:54:55 AM  

SurfaceTension: Sgygus: Biscuit Tin: not familiar with ATC

Three wheeler.  So dangerous that manufacturers discontinued their production.

/they were/are incredibly prone to rolling.

Remember the outcry at the time from freedumb lovers who hated the gubment takin' away their toys?


Those were dark days indeed. When they showed up on the farm, they loaded all of them up, they took our Jarts, and even my sister's Clackers. I was so distraught, I just sat down in shock, pulled out my candy cigarettes and dammit if they didn't take those, too.

Seriously, I know the widow of a guy who died on one. His boys would have done a lot better in life had he survived. They were wild kids, like their old man, and he was the only one who could keep them in line.
 
2020-04-05 8:55:26 AM  
File photo of ATC:
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/kinda obscure
//La La La La La
 
2020-04-05 8:55:50 AM  

Hand Banana: I remember wanting one so much when I was little, they looked fun.

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That was written by the same person who did the music for Inspector Gadget.
 
2020-04-05 8:56:33 AM  
I heard it all around the world
 
2020-04-05 9:01:24 AM  
Also knows about ATC deaths...

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2020-04-05 9:03:25 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: skiinstructor: Bout 1978 i rented a 3 wheeler for 20 bucks for 3 hours. Sooo much fun, and you do get used to the roll issue. Took it on a 25 mile adventure in the mountains. You sure cant buy that kind of fun anymore...

You get used to the roll issue the same way a WWII pilot becomes an Ace. Survive the first few and chances of dying go way down, but it never becomes even remotely safe.


This.
We actually practiced lifting it onto two wheels (sideways) to show off as teenagers. What that gave us was an acute sense of what will and won't tilt the beast. We used to ride the Big Red mentioned by I_am_Deisel below. It had a loading bracket behind the rider that we'd cushion and then ride three teenagers on the bike. One driving and two sitting on either side on the cushioned steel frame.
Fun as HECK but really needed getting used to. I don't see it as any more dangerous than regular two-wheelers, and it sure as sh- didn't do that "I'm going to wiggle down this path until I buck you off" thing that two-wheelers did.

In hindsight, I think something that kept us safe was we always rode them off-road, so the bike was more likely to skid than flip, especially once you understood where to keep your center of balance (ie on the inside of the turn, same as a two-wheeler).

Miss those days. Would not get one for my kids.
:)
Probably.
 
2020-04-05 9:03:51 AM  

SurfaceTension: Sgygus: Biscuit Tin: not familiar with ATC

Three wheeler.  So dangerous that manufacturers discontinued their production.

/they were/are incredibly prone to rolling.

Remember the outcry at the time from freedumb lovers who hated the gubment takin' away their toys?


I do.  At the time, I had a next door neighbor who had an ATC, and had this very attitude about it.  She was an interesting person.  She moved in with her gf, introduced her to motorcycles, even bought a second bike for gf to ride.  She had a go-cart, and let the kids from the block to drive it.  Later got the ATC, and I refused to ride it, my friends did though.  I was still young, but saw the danger those things possessed, and she didn't like me not willing to give it a try.  I had already nearly killed myself with the open top go-cart.  Knowing me, I would've killed myself.

She later broke up with her gf, and moved away.  The neighbor that stayed got a new gf that we didn't care for so much; more like a grumpy linebacker.  I liked the neighbor though, she was always nice, introduced me to banana peppers.
 
2020-04-05 9:07:35 AM  
If you have a $5 head, purchase a $5 helmet.
 
2020-04-05 9:11:16 AM  
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2020-04-05 9:12:09 AM  
"34-year-old Miguel Villanueva was driving his ATC eastbound on Devonshire Road near 63rd Drive when he rode up on the sidewalk causing the three-wheeler to turn over.
Police say Villanueva, who was not wearing a helmet, suffered head trauma."

Removed one idiot from the gene pool? Society just got a tiny  little bit better.
 
2020-04-05 9:14:28 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: And to hell with helmet laws.

When I worked at a Harley-Davidson dealership in college, the California guys almost all removed their helmets as soon as they got into Arizona. I hit a big-ass junebug while doing 65 on a desert highway after the toy parade. I was riding one of the dealership's custom $25,000 Fat Boys. The bug hit my forehead and I was wearing a hat, thank god. Had that thing hit me in the eye, I would've been road pizza, even though eye protection is required. After that, I never rode without a helmet again.

Years later, after I started teaching, I was listening to the local news on TV as I was getting ready. I heard my boss's son's name and that he'd been killed in the west valley when he took a 90-degree turn too fast and hit gravel. He wasn't wearing a helmet. He was 16 and, by law, was supposed to wear a helmet, but his dad's flippant attitude about helmets didn't make it a priority.


If I remember right, the issue with 3 wheeler accidents were spinal cord injuries.
 
2020-04-05 9:15:57 AM  

Glorious Golden Ass: I'm always full faced, but I rented a bike in South Africa and borrowed a dirt bike helmet and googles.


Should have spent the extra 5 bucks and got some goggles.

The googles doesn't nothing.
 
2020-04-05 9:16:44 AM  
Googles do nothing

fark8ng autocorrect
 
2020-04-05 9:17:16 AM  
a buddy of mine still has his from when he was a teenager - still runs. he pulls it out once in a while during the summer to drive around the yard.

he also still has an old set of lawn darts. sometimes when I go to his place we'll end up drinking beer and play "life in the 1980's"

/unless it's raining and then we'll just pull out the Atari
//I drove the three wheeler once. that was enough for me
 
2020-04-05 9:18:31 AM  

skiinstructor: Bout 1978 i rented a 3 wheeler for 20 bucks for 3 hours. Sooo much fun, and you do get used to the roll issue. Took it on a 25 mile adventure in the mountains. You sure cant buy that kind of fun anymore...


Yup.  All you need is a mild understanding of physics, and you're good to go.  What gets in the way is the urge to put your inside foot down In a turn like a bike / motorcycle.  But, idiots looking for free money, and others who didn't want to wear helmets / protection farked everything up.
 
2020-04-05 9:20:04 AM  
Not so CSB:
In the 80s, when I was a kid, two brothers that bullied all of the other kids in my small community (they stole my chucky cheese frisbee!) each had an ATC. The whole family was garbage, the cops were at their place about once a week usually, for the kids, or the parents. One day, the brothers were chasing my buddy down a dirt road, to kick his ass for no reason, and the oldest kid flipped at the edge if the woods and the ATC crushed him. Wasn't sure how to feel about that at the time
 
2020-04-05 9:22:09 AM  

haywatchthis: [pulpmx.com image 850x620]


The 250R is a blast to ride!  A friend had one in high school.  We rode all over the place.  I had a 200X.  Almost as much fun in the snow!
 
2020-04-05 9:22:47 AM  
I started riding a three wheeler when I was 7. Lol. At least I had a ton of protective gear. What can I say, shiat was different in the 80's. I also have great memories of the thing. Only rolled it twice in 10 years from what I remember.
 
2020-04-05 9:28:18 AM  
I got hurt  pretty bad TWICE on one.
 
2020-04-05 9:28:55 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Sgygus: Biscuit Tin: not familiar with ATC

Three wheeler.  So dangerous that manufacturers discontinued their production.

/they were/are incredibly prone to rolling.

I did a double-take when I saw it was a three wheeler. I haven't seen one of those for probably 20 years. Even growing up as a typical small town WI kid who rode 4 wheelers and snowmobiles, I wouldn't touch one of those things. Same with my friends. So dangerous.


This guy had probably been holding onto it for decades just to kill himself by trying to ride it on the highway.
 
2020-04-05 9:34:19 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: And to hell with helmet laws.

When I worked at a Harley-Davidson dealership in college, the California guys almost all removed their helmets as soon as they got into Arizona. I hit a big-ass junebug while doing 65 on a desert highway after the toy parade. I was riding one of the dealership's custom $25,000 Fat Boys. The bug hit my forehead and I was wearing a hat, thank god. Had that thing hit me in the eye, I would've been road pizza, even though eye protection is required. After that, I never rode without a helmet again.

Years later, after I started teaching, I was listening to the local news on TV as I was getting ready. I heard my boss's son's name and that he'd been killed in the west valley when he took a 90-degree turn too fast and hit gravel. He wasn't wearing a helmet. He was 16 and, by law, was supposed to wear a helmet, but his dad's flippant attitude about helmets didn't make it a priority.


My Uncle got hit by a bumble bee at full speed in the chest while on his motorcycle. It knocked him off the bike! He said (when he woke up) that a turtle had hit him.
 
2020-04-05 9:35:23 AM  
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I'm more into using a gri gri myself.
 
2020-04-05 9:37:45 AM  
Did he fall out of the tower?

/DNRTFA
 
2020-04-05 9:40:16 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Googles do nothing

fark8ng autocorrect


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2020-04-05 9:42:06 AM  
I nearly bought one of the Honda ones last month as a project.

/regret not buying it now
 
2020-04-05 9:45:24 AM  
I grew up around those things and always hated them as complete death traps. I had motorcycles on the farm starting with a 50 cc and moving up as I grew. Parents bought them because they believed the silly idea that 3 wheels were safer than 2. I don't remember anyone getting killed on by one but 2 injured bad enough to be hospitalized for some time and death in the next town over. Since then two deaths of people from the generation of my parents on Harley trikes. One of them got to close to a curb the other had to brake hard. Motorcycle would have been better for either.
 
2020-04-05 9:46:16 AM  

edmo: SurfaceTension: Sgygus: Biscuit Tin: not familiar with ATC

Three wheeler.  So dangerous that manufacturers discontinued their production.

/they were/are incredibly prone to rolling.

Remember the outcry at the time from freedumb lovers who hated the gubment takin' away their toys?

Those were dark days indeed. When they showed up on the farm, they loaded all of them up, they took our Jarts, and even my sister's Clackers. I was so distraught, I just sat down in shock, pulled out my candy cigarettes and dammit if they didn't take those, too.

Seriously, I know the widow of a guy who died on one. His boys would have done a lot better in life had he survived. They were wild kids, like their old man, and he was the only one who could keep them in line.


so she's single?
 
2020-04-05 9:46:22 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: I did a double-take when I saw it was a three wheeler. I haven't seen one of those for probably 20 years. Even growing up as a typical small town WI kid who rode 4 wheelers and snowmobiles, I wouldn't touch one of those things. Same with my friends. So dangerous.


Seriously. Out on the farm you see all kinds of people with crazy toys. EVERYONE has some kind of bike, a quad, most of us snowmobile, etc.

I can honestly say i have never seen a true offroad  3 wheeler, and there are some really dumb people up there.
 
2020-04-05 9:51:42 AM  
They probably have retired them, but a group had maybe 20 identical ATC's they used for Parades, probably a Shriners group, don't recall.  For years they would bring them out and all the old timers would talk about the "good old days".

Oh and, ATC= All Terrain Cycle, though the all terrain part was a bit of a stretch.
 
2020-04-05 9:54:28 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: And to hell with helmet laws.

When I worked at a Harley-Davidson dealership in college, the California guys almost all removed their helmets as soon as they got into Arizona. I hit a big-ass junebug while doing 65 on a desert highway after the toy parade. I was riding one of the dealership's custom $25,000 Fat Boys. The bug hit my forehead and I was wearing a hat, thank god. Had that thing hit me in the eye, I would've been road pizza, even though eye protection is required. After that, I never rode without a helmet again.

Years later, after I started teaching, I was listening to the local news on TV as I was getting ready. I heard my boss's son's name and that he'd been killed in the west valley when he took a 90-degree turn too fast and hit gravel. He wasn't wearing a helmet. He was 16 and, by law, was supposed to wear a helmet, but his dad's flippant attitude about helmets didn't make it a priority.


Sears had a Vespa-type scooter, the Cruisaire.. three speed, shifter on the right handlebar.. big comfortable seat, maxxed out around 60 mph.. I added a windscreen, which was great on I-64 between Williamsburg and Newport News.. the Williamsburg to Richmond section had not been built yet.. duck in behind a Semi and the draft would pull you along..  Riding one day, sans the Semi, and got nailed by a Scarab beetle dead center of the windscreen, which shattered that, and left me coated with essence of beetle, head to feet.. helmets weren't a thing then, but goggles were : would have been dead meat without them and the windscreen... damn bug was about 2-2 1/2 " in diameter...

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2020-04-05 9:59:51 AM  
back in 85.  two guys racing each other on atc's on open very rural freeway in NM.  one passes the other very close and their nobby tires rub and catch.  both flip at about 45 mph.  both dead.  last i heard of atc's until now.
 
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