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(The Bulwark)   The Republican Party and conservative ideology are irredeemably broken, according to noted left-wing moonbat Bill Kristol   (thebulwark.com) divider line
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2020-04-02 1:50:23 PM  
And this is a problem, how?
 
2020-04-02 1:51:38 PM  
LOL Bill Kristol, another neo-con piece of shiat who should end is life in prison
 
Xai [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2020-04-02 1:55:21 PM  
It's easy to see why, they gradually shifted from the 1990s of having a set of guiding principles such as free markets and individual liberties, to one of opposing democrats under Obama - no matter how insane that opposition was - this paved the way for Trump to enter and realign the party around him, he positioned himself as the anti-Obama and made himself the core of the republican party and ANY party that is based on a cult of personality and not a set of guiding principles will always be broken as the premise that any man can do no wrong is clearly wrong.
 
2020-04-02 2:05:19 PM  
What Kristol wants is as bad as anything the worst Republican ever wanted, so not a lot of farks given.

It's like hearing Pat Robertson biatch.  Or Pat Buchanan.

I wouldn't want either of them running this place either.
 
2020-04-02 2:05:48 PM  
Maybe Bill Kristol has realized that he is always wrong and this is his attempt to trick reality into a form he is more comfortable with.

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2020-04-02 2:11:08 PM  

Xai: It's easy to see why, they gradually shifted from the 1990s of having a set of guiding principles such as free markets and individual liberties, to one of opposing democrats under Obama - no matter how insane that opposition was - this paved the way for Trump to enter and realign the party around him, he positioned himself as the anti-Obama and made himself the core of the republican party and ANY party that is based on a cult of personality and not a set of guiding principles will always be broken as the premise that any man can do no wrong is clearly wrong.


I think the Republicans started losing their values and transitioning to an opposition-at-all-costs party when Clinton was elected.  And I think the lack of a truly principled conservative party has let the Democratic Party also drift off its mooring and simply adopt "at least we're not them" as its core philosophy.  We don't get any real debate on the costs and merits of potential policies because there aren't two (or more) well informed but philosophically different takes on the situation.  There's just whatever anyone thinks is going to drum up votes.

Sure, there are a handful of principled politicians on both sides, but generally when they propose something that isn't in line with the current party line, they're told to stop being radical, whether that's a liberal proposing we ought to hold financial institutions accountable for their misdeeds, or a conservative suggesting that perhaps we ought not to be blowing up the public debt when the economy is strong.  Don't piss off the donors, and deficit spending feels a lot like economic growth, so shut up and fall in line.
 
2020-04-02 2:44:29 PM  

whidbey: What Kristol wants is as bad as anything the worst Republican ever wanted, so not a lot of farks given.

It's like hearing Pat Robertson biatch.  Or Pat Buchanan.

I wouldn't want either of them running this place either.


he's always been one of the worst Republicans.

He shares the same issue that the trumpers have: they follow a failed ideology. Because of that, it's all just cons run by their donor and leadership class which lead to misery for everyone else. Their movement conservatism isn't any more viable than Bolshevism. Like Bolshevism, it's lead to the deaths of millions. Like those authoritarian communists responsible for the deaths of their populace through pogroms and whatever other creative murder they could come up with, this conservative version of capitalism has left millions to die for want of food or shelter or health care.
 
2020-04-02 2:50:49 PM  
You can tell Bill Kristol is a liberal now because he doesn't say, "Democrat Party."
 
2020-04-02 2:54:00 PM  

cherryl taggart: And this is a problem, how?


Because conservative ideology completely controls our politics.
 
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2020-04-02 2:54:36 PM  

cherryl taggart: And this is a problem, how?


Because they vote and there are too many of them.
 
2020-04-02 3:05:59 PM  
FTA: And so we will need to think anew, and to act anew.

Translation: "I have no clue what we should do about it."
 
2020-04-02 3:23:11 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: cherryl taggart: And this is a problem, how?

Because conservative ideology completely controls our politics.


True.

Example:  Conservative idealogy allows that private business is inherently better than government run.
It also allows for monopolies.

This is how you get a government program to develop a cheap ventilator but before the company can fulfill its contract, behemoth Medtronic buys it, kills the program so as not to undercut its grossly overpriced equipment.

Not only has this cost us as Americans money via overpaying for healthcare and health insurance, its now why we don't have enough ventilators for a pandemic.

The same conservative ideology lead to 'too big to fail' banks and now omniscient technology companies that literally know every detail about your life.
 
2020-04-02 3:23:42 PM  
"We have now reached the terminus of craven loyalty and pathetic apologetics."

You're either the butcher or the cattle!
 
2020-04-02 3:34:45 PM  
Correction: An earlier version of this article incorrectly stated the Truman Committee was created after Pearl Harbor.

I th
 
2020-04-02 3:36:19 PM  

HighOnCraic: Correction: An earlier version of this article incorrectly stated the Truman Committee was created after Pearl Harbor.

I thought it was over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor...


Oops.
 
2020-04-02 3:49:50 PM  
Doesn't matter.

They are "electable".
 
2020-04-02 3:50:29 PM  
Bill Kristol? I now doubt the existence of conservatives and Republicans.
 
2020-04-02 3:51:14 PM  
FYI every Republican who complains about Trump or vague generalities about "conservatism" is positioning themselves for the right-wing grift that comes *after* Trump
 
2020-04-02 3:52:04 PM  
That reminds me when Stephen Colbert asked Kristol about the Project for a New American Century.

"How's that working out for you?"
 
2020-04-02 3:52:14 PM  
Buy moonbats but do not eat the moonbats you buy!
 
2020-04-02 3:53:18 PM  
Time for these old school Republicans who've been pushed out of their own party for being too liberal, and some moderate Democrats who may be disillusioned with which direction their party wants to go, and take over the Libertarian Party, and truly make it a party of the middle.
 
2020-04-02 3:55:15 PM  
It is just the damndest thing how Never Trumpers keep turning up when the Politics Tab insists that they aren't real.
 
2020-04-02 3:55:49 PM  
Article contains the phrase, "intellectual movement of conservatism" and it is meant to be serious.

Bowel movements are more intellectual.
 
2020-04-02 3:57:59 PM  
It's been broken for at least 25-30 years. President Sniveling Asshole didn't do it.

It's the one thing we can't blame him for.
 
2020-04-02 3:58:08 PM  

pearls before swine: I think the Republicans started losing their values and transitioning to an opposition-at-all-costs party when Clinton was elected.


The Vietnam war could've ended years earlier than it did, but Nixon illegally sabotaged the negotiations so that it wouldn't be a Democrat bringing peace in an election year.

The Iran hostage crisis could've ended earlier, but Reagan illegally sabotaged efforts to resolve it so that it wouldn't be a Democrat getting the hostages freed in an election year.

"Win the election even if it means a lot of dead or suffering Americans" was the policy of the Republican party back when Bill and Hillary were still in school.
 
2020-04-02 3:59:16 PM  

HighOnCraic: HighOnCraic: Correction: An earlier version of this article incorrectly stated the Truman Committee was created after Pearl Harbor.

I thought it was over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor...

Oops.


Forget it. You're rolling.
 
2020-04-02 3:59:19 PM  
Wow. Only took him a few decades to realize the ideology he clung to like a drowning man was bankrupt. Who am I kidding, he probably just doesn't like it now that the inevitable end of their howling has come home to take over leadership: Donald J. Trump.
 
2020-04-02 3:59:56 PM  
Don't pin that on Donnie. Your policies sucked and were unsustainable.
 
2020-04-02 4:00:35 PM  
You know we are in the bizarro timeline when Bill Kristol stops being wrong.
 
2020-04-02 4:01:05 PM  

Xai: It's easy to see why, they gradually shifted from the 1990s of having a set of guiding principles such as free markets and individual liberties, to one of opposing democrats under Obama - no matter how insane that opposition was - this paved the way for Trump to enter and realign the party around him, he positioned himself as the anti-Obama and made himself the core of the republican party and ANY party that is based on a cult of personality and not a set of guiding principles will always be broken as the premise that any man can do no wrong is clearly wrong.


Smelly Pirate Hooker: It's been broken for at least 25-30 years. President Sniveling Asshole didn't do it.

It's the one thing we can't blame him for.


No, but he's the face of it, and as such deserves to be biatch slapped into a coma.
 
2020-04-02 4:04:16 PM  
According to one of the very people responsible for it happening.

fark Bill Kristol. You don't break good after a lifelong career of neoconservative policy that lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands in wars of choice.
 
2020-04-02 4:05:32 PM  

Ishkur: You know we are in the bizarro timeline when Bill Kristol stops being wrong.


He's still wrong.
 
2020-04-02 4:08:02 PM  
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Why we hating on this guy?
 
2020-04-02 4:08:27 PM  

abb3w: FTA: And so we will need to think anew, and to act anew.

Translation: "I have no clue what we should do about it."


You should know by now it means invading a sovereign country.   In this case, ours.
 
2020-04-02 4:09:35 PM  
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2020-04-02 4:09:46 PM  

whidbey: abb3w: FTA: And so we will need to think anew, and to act anew.

Translation: "I have no clue what we should do about it."

You should know by now it means invading a sovereign country.   In this case, ours.


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2020-04-02 4:11:54 PM  

bobobolinskii: Xai: It's easy to see why, they gradually shifted from the 1990s of having a set of guiding principles such as free markets and individual liberties, to one of opposing democrats under Obama - no matter how insane that opposition was - this paved the way for Trump to enter and realign the party around him, he positioned himself as the anti-Obama and made himself the core of the republican party and ANY party that is based on a cult of personality and not a set of guiding principles will always be broken as the premise that any man can do no wrong is clearly wrong.

Smelly Pirate Hooker: It's been broken for at least 25-30 years. President Sniveling Asshole didn't do it.

It's the one thing we can't blame him for.

No, but he's the face of it, and as such deserves to be biatch slapped into a coma.


Sure, if you get close enough, slap away. I'll contribute to your bail fund.
 
2020-04-02 4:12:28 PM  

lolmao500: LOL Bill Kristol, another neo-con piece of shiat who should end is life in prison


But he's not wrong. Bill Kristol is not wrong.

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2020-04-02 4:12:52 PM  

ElwoodCuse: FYI every Republican who complains about Trump or vague generalities about "conservatism" is positioning themselves for the right-wing grift that comes *after* Trump


QFT.

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It's pretty telling that Moderate Democrats are more inclined to trust the people who actively helped set the stage for Trump than the progressives who are working to sweep out that shiat and prevent another Trump from ever arising again.


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Jennifer Rubin might be the most shamelessly opportunistic of the "Never Trumpers". In 2011, she wanted a ban against Muslims after the 2011 Norway terrorist attacks, and after it was discovered that the perp was actually an anti-Muslim Christian extremist, she still wanted a ban against Muslims because reasons.

"Never Trumpers" want all the shiat Trump brings to the table, but they don't want the "Trump" label attached to it.
 
2020-04-02 4:13:04 PM  
I truly thought conservative ideology was finally and utterly discredited by the Bush administration. In all respects, we experienced a national decline like nothing I'd ever seen, culminating in the Bush recession. You'd think conservatives would have learned something. Then Obama dragged the nation kicking and screaming back to health, facing blatant racism and fanatic, unchecked opposition at every single turn. Now we have literally the worst president imaginable, one whom I would happily trade for a random eligible citizen picked from a lottery. Conservatives didn't learn a damn thing. And now I'm convinced that they never will. After this disgrace, the time for Democrats playing nice and fair should come to an end. Pack the Supreme Court, redistrict to create every possible rotten borough, whatever needs to be done. I don't care. Republicans can all eat shiat an rot in hell.
 
2020-04-02 4:13:54 PM  
It was shiat before USSR failed, then it became diarrhea.
 
2020-04-02 4:14:56 PM  

abb3w: FTA: And so we will need to think anew, and to act anew.

Translation: "I have no clue what we should do about it."


It's also entirely antithetical to what conservatism means.  You can't think and act anew while trying to preserve the status quo.
 
2020-04-02 4:15:19 PM  
Republicanism/Conservative-ism is not really broken, if you look at it's purpose as being soley to undermine, destroy, and demoralize the United States of America. It's working really well!
 
2020-04-02 4:17:01 PM  
It started in earnest with the Reagan Revolution. Unions were broken, mentally ill were thrown into the streets, the wealthy had their taxes lowered and the middle class had theirs raised. The War on Drugs gutted entire communities and the savings and loan industry collapsed due to lack of regulation.

They were hell bent on destroying whatever progress FDR, Ike and LBJ made.
 
2020-04-02 4:18:03 PM  

oldfool: It was shiat before USSR failed, then it became diarrhea.


Nice analogy.

It can always get worse.
 
2020-04-02 4:19:47 PM  

pearls before swine: Xai: It's easy to see why, they gradually shifted from the 1990s of having a set of guiding principles such as free markets and individual liberties, to one of opposing democrats under Obama - no matter how insane that opposition was - this paved the way for Trump to enter and realign the party around him, he positioned himself as the anti-Obama and made himself the core of the republican party and ANY party that is based on a cult of personality and not a set of guiding principles will always be broken as the premise that any man can do no wrong is clearly wrong.

I think the Republicans started losing their values and transitioning to an opposition-at-all-costs party when Clinton was elected.  And I think the lack of a truly principled conservative party has let the Democratic Party also drift off its mooring and simply adopt "at least we're not them" as its core philosophy.  We don't get any real debate on the costs and merits of potential policies because there aren't two (or more) well informed but philosophically different takes on the situation.  There's just whatever anyone thinks is going to drum up votes.

Sure, there are a handful of principled politicians on both sides, but generally when they propose something that isn't in line with the current party line, they're told to stop being radical, whether that's a liberal proposing we ought to hold financial institutions accountable for their misdeeds, or a conservative suggesting that perhaps we ought not to be blowing up the public debt when the economy is strong.  Don't piss off the donors, and deficit spending feels a lot like economic growth, so shut up and fall in line.


They lost it when the Soviet Union fell over and the big bad atheists who were going to let the evangelicals live out their insane murder-suicide apocalypse fantasy turned out to be nothing.

I seriously believe a substantial number of right wingers had a complete psychotic break when it became obvious that the end was NOT coming after 1991.
 
2020-04-02 4:20:36 PM  

Arumat: You can't think and act anew while trying to preserve the status quo.


The American candidate had a very good estimate of the best way to command popular support when, after having described such manufactured principles as he had got ready, said - "Them feller citizens are my principles, but if they don't suit yer exactly, they ken be altered."
 
2020-04-02 4:21:50 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: It's pretty telling that Moderate Democrats are more inclined to trust the people who actively helped set the stage for Trump than the progressives who are working to sweep out that shiat and prevent another Trump from ever arising again.


Apparently the opinion is held that yelling on Twitter and in the Politics Tab is what constitutes "working" while actually voting would not be referred to as such. I believe that to be a massive error in judgment if actually getting anything done is felt to be more important than simply yelling about how much you desire those same things.
 
2020-04-02 4:23:41 PM  

Ishkur: You know we are in the bizarro timeline when Bill Kristol stops being wrong.


Making Kristol sound reasonable may be the only thing D2S actually should get credit for. It's INSANE, but did happen.
 
2020-04-02 4:24:20 PM  
And so we will need to think anew, and to act anew.

He's talking about splitting the party.

I've said for years that we were going to end up with 3 viable parties in the US (for awhile -- our system doesn't let 3 viable parties stand for long). We'll have the Bernie/AOC Dems, the Corporate Dems/Moderate Repubs, and of course the MAGAts. It's only a matter of time.
 
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