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(NPR)   US Coast Guard: Your cruise ship has COVID-19 cases, but it's not operating under the US flag? Gee, that's too bad. Go be sick somewhere else, preferably the flag nation your ship is "operating" under   (npr.org) divider line
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2020-04-01 9:43:24 PM  
How is the weather in Liberia this time of year?
 
2020-04-01 9:53:34 PM  
We all had the same information when these people boarded the ship. They decided to go anyway. So, they made a choice and they chose wrong.
 
2020-04-01 10:07:51 PM  

OdradekRex: How is the weather in Liberia this time of year?


Libertarious.
 
2020-04-01 10:16:21 PM  

no_tan_lines: We all had the same information when these people boarded the ship. They decided to go anyway. So, they made a choice and they chose wrong.


I believe the greedy cruise lines deserve a small amount of culpability too. But yeah, how stupid or arrogant can you be?
 
2020-04-01 10:20:47 PM  
And there is something wrong with this??
 
2020-04-01 10:24:37 PM  
Lmao
 
2020-04-01 10:33:34 PM  

TwowheelinTim: no_tan_lines: We all had the same information when these people boarded the ship. They decided to go anyway. So, they made a choice and they chose wrong.

I believe the greedy cruise lines deserve a small amount of culpability too. But yeah, how stupid or arrogant can you be?


I appreciate that the cruise lines are responsible for the expense of transport and care.
 
2020-04-01 10:42:37 PM  

no_tan_lines: We all had the same information when these people boarded the ship. They decided to go anyway. So, they made a choice and they chose wrong.


Time to pay the piper, and that doesn't just go for the passengers.  There are incentives with flagging the vessel in the Bahamas, and I think everyone knows what those incentives are.  There are risks as well, and now they've come home to roost.

Also, how do you "ensure the person has a spot in a hospital"?  Do you slip the EMT a envelope of cash to make sure there's a bed waiting for the patient?
 
2020-04-01 10:44:41 PM  

BizarreMan: TwowheelinTim: no_tan_lines: We all had the same information when these people boarded the ship. They decided to go anyway. So, they made a choice and they chose wrong.

I believe the greedy cruise lines deserve a small amount of culpability too. But yeah, how stupid or arrogant can you be?

I appreciate that the cruise lines are responsible for the expense of transport and care.


Agreed.  For the Diamond Princess and that other one in California, I get it.  They (pax and crew) didn't know what they were getting into, and they needed to get off the boat a hell of a lot earlier than they did.  Now, the pandemic is a known quantity (in that most everyone understands it's happening worldwide and not just in China), so it's on the operators to get their people off if they insist on still operating.
 
2020-04-02 1:32:02 AM  
Carnival still has 6,000 passangers out there. Holy smoke.
 
2020-04-02 3:14:10 AM  
If I were on the Zaandam, I'd check what emergency art supplies were on board

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2020-04-02 3:54:10 AM  

Comic Book Guy: Also, how do you "ensure the person has a spot in a hospital"?  Do you slip the EMT a envelope of cash to make sure there's a bed waiting for the patient?


Do you know a better way?
 
2020-04-02 4:46:50 AM  
I f*cking love that.
 
2020-04-02 4:52:27 AM  

Comic Book Guy: Time to pay the piper, and that doesn't just go for the passengers. There are incentives with flagging the vessel in the Bahamas, and I think everyone knows what those incentives are. There are risks as well, and now they've come home to roost.


If the entire cruise industry collapsed into a molten pile and gone forever, out nation would be just fine.

We'd lose literally nothing. Because those cruise ships aren't ours and the cruise industry isn't based here.
 
2020-04-02 5:05:59 AM  
The cruise industry realizing they're basically the Jerry's of this economy.

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2020-04-02 5:33:27 AM  
I have sympathy for the workers.
 
2020-04-02 5:35:19 AM  

no_tan_lines: We all had the same information when these people boarded the ship. They decided to go anyway. So, they made a choice and they chose wrong.


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2020-04-02 5:36:08 AM  

OdradekRex: How is the weather in Liberia this time of year?


"Give me Liberia or give me death"

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2020-04-02 5:36:33 AM  
I think 2020 is the closest large industries have come to comeuppance and somehow I think they're going to skate.

Lessons won't be learned.
 
2020-04-02 5:37:36 AM  
TwowheelinTim:  I believe the greedy cruise lines deserve a small amount of culpability too. But yeah, how stupid or arrogant can you be?

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2020-04-02 5:38:38 AM  

born_yesterday: I have sympathy for the workers.


This is just one more industry that is demonstrating why workers need to unite across all industries and nations and demand a share of ownership as well as living wage and health care for all. If this pandemic does not motivate workers to strike and get their share, nothing will.
 
2020-04-02 5:49:49 AM  
It would be great if there were some sort of precursor problem, like norovirus, that would have demonstrated some of the potential problems of a plague ship.
 
2020-04-02 5:54:03 AM  
Watching the nightly news in Australia, and they had a guy from Carnival Australia on having a big whinge about how badly they were being treated because Australia won't let the Ruby Princess port.

The same ship that previously ported in Australia and promptly rushed all their passengers into Australia without any checks knowing that some of them were sick.
 
2020-04-02 5:55:15 AM  
Be a shame if the industry collapsed.

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2020-04-02 5:58:04 AM  

stuartp9: Watching the nightly news in Australia, and they had a guy from Carnival Australia on having a big whinge about how badly they were being treated because Australia won't let the Ruby Princess port.

The same ship that previously ported in Australia and promptly rushed all their passengers into Australia without any checks knowing that some of them were sick.


My mistake, it's a different ship they want to port now.. yeah right, like Australia is going to be tricked again.

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel​-​updates/health-safety/carnival-cruises​-boss-slams-decision-to-force-pacific-​explorer-ship-off-shores/news-story/c4​32abd92c774a03db15490128be5253
 
2020-04-02 5:59:13 AM  
That's so american of you guys, an american company, taking advantage of american laws, while trading on the american stock exchange farking american citizens due to technicality :)
 
2020-04-02 6:01:43 AM  
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2020-04-02 6:06:45 AM  
Seems fair enough to me.
 
2020-04-02 6:08:01 AM  

stuartp9: Watching the nightly news in Australia, and they had a guy from Carnival Australia on having a big whinge about how badly they were being treated because Australia won't let the Ruby Princess port.

The same ship that previously ported in Australia and promptly rushed all their passengers into Australia without any checks knowing that some of them were sick.


It was a Princess ship, but yes, that one ship accounted for something like 10% of our known cases.

Has been interesting listening to the government saying that we can't just send a ship on it's way when the safety of passengers is at risk. We have a poor track record in that regard.
 
2020-04-02 6:08:50 AM  

born_yesterday: I have sympathy for the workers.


I do as well.  The ones that get paid beans because that boat is flagged in Liberia, and aren't subject to US labor law.
 
2020-04-02 6:11:57 AM  

born_yesterday: I have sympathy for the workers.


I live in Tampa, we have several Carnival ships that leave out of here.  About once a month there's a call for musicians, pop duo's, Dj's, classical musicians, etc to play the cruises. I got a call about 6 weeks ago from a friend who had decided to apply but not actually have a group setup to play and wanted me to come play in his string quartet for Carnival.  They put out a blast for something like 45 different musical entertainment setups on the employment pages. I laughed at him on the phone, and told him he REALLY needed to watch the "contractors on the Death Star" scene from Clerks if he thought I was going to get on a plague ship for cash, even though for musicians it's actually damned good pay. It was obvious that in the face of Covid-19 the existing musicians either quit or got sick and they needed a whole new lineup.

I'm pretty sure he's currently on one of those boats that's not being let back in.  To say he was warned was an understatement. I personally told him I thought it was suicide to get on one of those boats right now.

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2020-04-02 6:18:09 AM  
agent00pi:

Has been interesting listening to the government saying that we can't just send a ship on it's way when the safety of passengers is at risk. We have a poor track record in that regard.

Yes but the passengers are not... the same

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