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2020-03-31 12:47:17 PM  
I think the IOT for most stuff is dumb (I mean I can hear the buzzer on my dryer, I don't need an alert on my phone) but this...this is pretty cool.
 
2020-03-31 1:13:19 PM  

cretinbob: I think the IOT for most stuff is dumb (I mean I can hear the buzzer on my dryer, I don't need an alert on my phone) but this...this is pretty cool.


Agreed. I try to keep smart things out of my home, but this is a good use of tech.
 
2020-03-31 1:22:49 PM  

desertfool: cretinbob: I think the IOT for most stuff is dumb (I mean I can hear the buzzer on my dryer, I don't need an alert on my phone) but this...this is pretty cool.

Agreed. I try to keep smart things out of my home, but this is a good use of tech.


BUT MY PRIVACY! ALEXA, DISABLE YOUR MICROPHONE!
 
2020-03-31 1:28:32 PM  
 
2020-03-31 1:29:33 PM  
Seems to be working here in Washington state.
 
2020-03-31 1:31:35 PM  
Saw this listening on Lowe's site the other day:
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I mean technically they aren't lying here.
 
2020-03-31 1:35:04 PM  

cretinbob: I think the IOT for most stuff is dumb (I mean I can hear the buzzer on my dryer, I don't need an alert on my phone) but this...this is pretty cool.


It's useful in laundromats, apartment building laundry rooms, or for machines that just don't have buzzers. Some people forget to come pick up their stuff, which can get annoying.
 
2020-03-31 1:35:56 PM  
Cool for that company. Sad that our own government can't mobilize a public effort to collect this sort of data, and sadder that the company's dire warnings were ignored at first.
 
2020-03-31 1:36:01 PM  
Um, I'm not sure how to say this, but the data may not be completely accurate. Oh geez. So, you see, I just realized I own one of these products. I didn't realize it was a thermometer, I thought it was one of those... let's say "devices", the type that would never be described as "my" device, only the indefinite article, "a" device. So I've apparently been uploading a temperature reading a couple times a day even though I feel fine (if not frisky, haha... ugh...)
 
2020-03-31 1:42:41 PM  
So.... This data is only limited to people who bought these kinds of thermometers, that's a limited group of non-random people, no?
 
2020-03-31 1:46:11 PM  

JohnHall: So.... This data is only limited to people who bought these kinds of thermometers, that's a limited group of non-random people, no?


It really depends on how many of their smart thermometers are out there. It's like political polls: the larger the sample size, the better the data.
 
2020-03-31 1:47:15 PM  

tommyl66: Um, I'm not sure how to say this, but the data may not be completely accurate. Oh geez. So, you see, I just realized I own one of these products. I didn't realize it was a thermometer, I thought it was one of those... let's say "devices", the type that would never be described as "my" device, only the indefinite article, "a" device. So I've apparently been uploading a temperature reading a couple times a day even though I feel fine (if not frisky, haha... ugh...)


Doesn't matter, had sex temperature taken.
 
2020-03-31 1:49:27 PM  

JohnHall: So.... This data is only limited to people who bought these kinds of thermometers, that's a limited group of non-random people, no?


There are statistical methods to help with that.
 
2020-03-31 1:49:49 PM  

JohnHall: So.... This data is only limited to people who bought these kinds of thermometers, that's a limited group of non-random people, no?


500,000 of these things are floating around, at least some were given away.

And at 500,000, does being non-random really matter in this context?  You still capture trends and one could always just say 'among thermometer owners'.

You would want to use it as a part of your tracking system, not the whole thing.  A lot of statistical analysis is knowing how to use what you have.
 
2020-03-31 1:53:10 PM  

desertfool: I try to keep smart things out of my home


Do you live out back in a trailer or something, then?

/couldn't resist
 
2020-03-31 2:04:29 PM  

Surrender your boo-tah: JohnHall: So.... This data is only limited to people who bought these kinds of thermometers, that's a limited group of non-random people, no?

500,000 of these things are floating around, at least some were given away.

And at 500,000, does being non-random really matter in this context?  You still capture trends and one could always just say 'among thermometer owners'.

You would want to use it as a part of your tracking system, not the whole thing.  A lot of statistical analysis is knowing how to use what you have.


The problem here is demographics.

This isn't going to give us a reasonable understanding of the populace of a whole, just a specific portion who:

- want a smart thermometer
- have it connected to their network
- use it correctly

That number is most likely skewed to a specific demographic. It _probably_ comprises mostly of white, middle class, multi-member households living in the suburbs or technology centers.

The demographic that is likely listening to the social distancing information, BUT also a demographic that generally has access to higher quality food, more expansive housing, and social engagement, even when quarantined (via video-based services and their own family)

So for this specific demographic, they are showing a remarkable effect from SD. And that's a positive outlook for distancing as a whole. But it might be less effective in situations where the individuals are more socially isolated yet more tightly housed (dense apartments/condos/prisons) with lower quality foods available to them
 
2020-03-31 2:08:43 PM  
Wonder if Alexa is listening for coughs.
 
2020-03-31 2:10:55 PM  
Huh, earlier there was another thread that said the opposite and it had hundreds of posts, most screaming that the sky is falling.
https://www.fark.com/comments/1076306​1​/Is-US-flattening-curve-Ummm-no#new

This one?  Crickets so far.

It's almost like Fark is an echo chamber full of disaster fetishists.
 
2020-03-31 2:12:43 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: JohnHall: So.... This data is only limited to people who bought these kinds of thermometers, that's a limited group of non-random people, no?

There are statistical methods to help with that.


Not really.  If your sample is exclusively rich people willing to spend $100 on a thermometer then it's hopelessly broken, considering that they're the ones with the luxury of working from home.  How many grocery store employees or instacart shoppers do you think own IoT thermometers?  Those are the people you need to be tracking.
 
2020-03-31 2:12:50 PM  
It's severe flu season that is letting up. Corona cases are growing, but 90%+ of cases of illness have been flu and other things, not Corona virus.

So thermometer company's readings have nothing to do with Corona virus cases.
 
2020-03-31 2:14:46 PM  

Dadoody: It's severe flu season that is letting up. Corona cases are growing, but 90%+ of cases of illness have been flu and other things, not Corona virus.

So thermometer company's readings have nothing to do with Corona virus cases.


My state report showed a big drop in influenza cases over the last week.
 
2020-03-31 2:14:53 PM  
 
2020-03-31 2:16:59 PM  
It's severe flu season that is letting up. Corona cases are growing, but 90%+ of cases of illness have been flu and other things, not Corona virus.

So thermometer company's readings have nothing to do with Corona virus cases.


You may have been to lazy to RTFA.  But it's certain that you didn't visit healthweather.us, the website to understand the methodology.
 
2020-03-31 2:19:29 PM  

ThatSillyGoose: Huh, earlier there was another thread that said the opposite and it had hundreds of posts, most screaming that the sky is falling.
https://www.fark.com/comments/10763061​/Is-US-flattening-curve-Ummm-no#new

This one?  Crickets so far.

It's almost like Fark is an echo chamber full of disaster fetishists.


It's the Fark COVID-19 Apocalypse Brigade.  Lots of deeply unhappy people hoping for the worst.  Strange bunch of idiots.
 
2020-03-31 2:27:30 PM  

JohnHall: So.... This data is only limited to people who bought these kinds of thermometers, that's a limited group of non-random people, no?


The only thing they probably have in common is they bought that thermometer, otherwise they are random.
 
2020-03-31 2:29:22 PM  
I saw this company's webpage some days ago, but it's cool that they have new and positive data.

Google searches have been used for this purpose for some time, as have cellphone data, but web-connected thermometres permits the aggregation of real time data that would have made Daniel Defoe plotz. In its way, it's a cool and brilliant as the British Doctor who proved that cholera was water-borne by stealing the handle from a London water pump.

Isn't the fact-based community fascinating? How do these "fact" things work? Nobody could anticipate their usefulness. Hee, hee, hee. (photo of laughing cartoon dog, er, Muttley)
 
2020-03-31 2:31:50 PM  

Cormee: JohnHall: So.... This data is only limited to people who bought these kinds of thermometers, that's a limited group of non-random people, no?

The only thing they probably have in common is they bought that thermometer, otherwise they are random.


If they filled in a Warrantee card, they may have provided enough demographic data to be useful for the massaging and statistical correction of their data.  This sort of sophisticated data-mining is what the climate change scientists had in mind when one used the unfortunate phrase "massage the data" in an email and was promptly bullshiated to death by climate change email thieves and denialists.
 
2020-03-31 2:34:03 PM  

Marshmallow Jones: ThatSillyGoose: Huh, earlier there was another thread that said the opposite and it had hundreds of posts, most screaming that the sky is falling.
https://www.fark.com/comments/10763061​/Is-US-flattening-curve-Ummm-no#new

This one?  Crickets so far.

It's almost like Fark is an echo chamber full of disaster fetishists.

It's the Fark COVID-19 Apocalypse Brigade.  Lots of deeply unhappy people hoping for the worst.  Strange bunch of idiots.


Rich Epstein said there would be 500 deaths. How many times did you forward that article?
 
2020-03-31 2:34:31 PM  
No shiat it works, that's why it's been recommended by doctors, scientists and medical professionals.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy people are doing it, and that infection rates are getting better, but the "OMG it works!" spin from a few articles lately is pretty stupid.
 
2020-03-31 2:35:09 PM  

Marshmallow Jones: ThatSillyGoose: Huh, earlier there was another thread that said the opposite and it had hundreds of posts, most screaming that the sky is falling.
https://www.fark.com/comments/10763061​/Is-US-flattening-curve-Ummm-no#new

This one?  Crickets so far.

It's almost like Fark is an echo chamber full of disaster fetishists.

It's the Fark COVID-19 Apocalypse Brigade.  Lots of deeply unhappy people hoping for the worst.  Strange bunch of idiots.


I believe the final mortality will be about 1% of the people who get the virus before it mutates again. It's not the end of the world, but it is testing the screwed up and defunded health care, insurance, political and economic systems of the world and so the current crisis is necessary to save millions more lives possibly, by keeping the hospitals and institutions that house millions afloat long enough for somebody to arrive with help.

By the way, the USA has more prisoners than farking China or Russia, so it has a lot of very seriously institutionalized people, many of them guilty of drug or alcohol-related crimes that are given a passepartout when the "criminal" is white, male and middle class or richer.
 
2020-03-31 2:36:20 PM  

AVDev: Surrender your boo-tah: JohnHall: So.... This data is only limited to people who bought these kinds of thermometers, that's a limited group of non-random people, no?

500,000 of these things are floating around, at least some were given away.

And at 500,000, does being non-random really matter in this context?  You still capture trends and one could always just say 'among thermometer owners'.

You would want to use it as a part of your tracking system, not the whole thing.  A lot of statistical analysis is knowing how to use what you have.

The problem here is demographics.

This isn't going to give us a reasonable understanding of the populace of a whole, just a specific portion who:

- want a smart thermometer
- have it connected to their network
- use it correctly

That number is most likely skewed to a specific demographic. It _probably_ comprises mostly of white, middle class, multi-member households living in the suburbs or technology centers.

The demographic that is likely listening to the social distancing information, BUT also a demographic that generally has access to higher quality food, more expansive housing, and social engagement, even when quarantined (via video-based services and their own family)

So for this specific demographic, they are showing a remarkable effect from SD. And that's a positive outlook for distancing as a whole. But it might be less effective in situations where the individuals are more socially isolated yet more tightly housed (dense apartments/condos/prisons) with lower quality foods available to them


Intelligent posting on *my* Fark?

/it's more likely than you think
 
2020-03-31 2:38:00 PM  
I will trust the judgment and honour of Jeffery Epstein sooner and further than the blather that Richard Epstein mongers and retails to idiots in high places. As a whore-monger himself, J. Epstein knew a thing or two about contagion, especially VD. So did Trump, who once called VD "his personal nemesis". Nemesis, look that bullshiat boast up. He said it. He can not unsay it.
 
2020-03-31 2:40:25 PM  

Dadoody: It's severe flu season that is letting up. Corona cases are growing, but 90%+ of cases of illness have been flu and other things, not Corona virus.

So thermometer company's readings have nothing to do with Corona virus cases.


People are voting this funny because it's painfully obvious you didn't read the story
 
2020-03-31 2:46:21 PM  
And Pay wall is slowing make access to articles...
 
2020-03-31 2:48:35 PM  

brantgoose: Cormee: JohnHall: So.... This data is only limited to people who bought these kinds of thermometers, that's a limited group of non-random people, no?

The only thing they probably have in common is they bought that thermometer, otherwise they are random.

If they filled in a Warrantee card, they may have provided enough demographic data to be useful for the massaging and statistical correction of their data.  This sort of sophisticated data-mining is what the climate change scientists had in mind when one used the unfortunate phrase "massage the data" in an email and was promptly bullshiated to death by climate change email thieves and denialists.


If they need to get granular, yes demographics would be useful. But I'd imagine the information without that level of detail is useful, regardless.
 
2020-03-31 3:01:53 PM  

Ringo48: No shiat it works, that's why it's been recommended by doctors, scientists and medical professionals.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy people are doing it, and that infection rates are getting better, but the "OMG it works!" spin from a few articles lately is pretty stupid.


There has been such terrible messaging from the federal government on the various models. It is very frustrating. CT Bergstrom (who is fantastic in my opinion) is trying to make it clear that the UW model (84K dead by August, though it was 81K by August yesterday) mentioned by the White House is a best case scenario at this time based on effective social distancing at the level at or near Wuhan. And that the UK model (of 1.1MM - 2.2MM dead) was based on no social restrictions.
 
2020-03-31 3:02:09 PM  

NateAsbestos: desertfool: cretinbob: I think the IOT for most stuff is dumb (I mean I can hear the buzzer on my dryer, I don't need an alert on my phone) but this...this is pretty cool.

Agreed. I try to keep smart things out of my home, but this is a good use of tech.

BUT MY PRIVACY! ALEXA, DISABLE YOUR MICROPHONE!


Privacy isn't the only issue. It's also a matter of security. Once an IoT device is hacked, your entire network is at risk.  At the very minimum, change the default SSID, username, and password on your router; use a strong password for WiFi; and set up the Guest WiFi and put all IoT devices on that, separate from everything else. And don't name your SSID something stupid that's just asking to get hacked.
 
2020-03-31 3:07:55 PM  
ThatSillyGoose:
It's almost like Fark is an echo chamber full of disaster fetishists.

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-03-31 3:08:48 PM  
Helpful to see when your SO is ovulating. Or boinking. Or both.
 
2020-03-31 3:11:46 PM  

Walker: A new two-minute test was just approved by the FDA:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/​490388-fda-authorizes-new-two-minute-t​est-for-coronavirus


Breathe on your own for two minutes without coughing?
 
2020-03-31 3:17:52 PM  

Marshmallow Jones: ThatSillyGoose: Huh, earlier there was another thread that said the opposite and it had hundreds of posts, most screaming that the sky is falling.
https://www.fark.com/comments/10763061​/Is-US-flattening-curve-Ummm-no#new

This one?  Crickets so far.

It's almost like Fark is an echo chamber full of disaster fetishists.

It's the Fark COVID-19 Apocalypse Brigade.  Lots of deeply unhappy people hoping for the worst.  Strange bunch of idiots.


This is the once where most people have jobs and are working from home, possibly while helping their kids with distance learning.

The other one is laid-off, fired, unemployed, or watching their small business wither and die.

If you were looking for the other America, it's down the hall.
 
2020-03-31 3:33:13 PM  
If my thermometer was internet connected I'd dunk it in my coffee every morning just to fark with those data collecting miscreants.
 
2020-03-31 3:34:08 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Saw this listening on Lowe's site the other day:
[Fark user image 561x342]

I mean technically they aren't lying here.


For that matter, it's gluten-free, too.
 
2020-03-31 3:35:40 PM  

i ignore u: TheDirtyNacho: JohnHall: So.... This data is only limited to people who bought these kinds of thermometers, that's a limited group of non-random people, no?

There are statistical methods to help with that.

Not really.  If your sample is exclusively rich people willing to spend $100 on a thermometer then it's hopelessly broken, considering that they're the ones with the luxury of working from home.  How many grocery store employees or instacart shoppers do you think own IoT thermometers?  Those are the people you need to be tracking.


The data will be heavily skewed towards young people. Boomers ain't using an internet thermometer.
 
2020-03-31 3:54:47 PM  

AVDev: Surrender your boo-tah: JohnHall: So.... This data is only limited to people who bought these kinds of thermometers, that's a limited group of non-random people, no?

500,000 of these things are floating around, at least some were given away.

And at 500,000, does being non-random really matter in this context?  You still capture trends and one could always just say 'among thermometer owners'.

You would want to use it as a part of your tracking system, not the whole thing.  A lot of statistical analysis is knowing how to use what you have.

The problem here is demographics.

This isn't going to give us a reasonable understanding of the populace of a whole, just a specific portion who:

- want a smart thermometer
- have it connected to their network
- use it correctly

That number is most likely skewed to a specific demographic. It _probably_ comprises mostly of white, middle class, multi-member households living in the suburbs or technology centers.

The demographic that is likely listening to the social distancing information, BUT also a demographic that generally has access to higher quality food, more expansive housing, and social engagement, even when quarantined (via video-based services and their own family)

So for this specific demographic, they are showing a remarkable effect from SD. And that's a positive outlook for distancing as a whole. But it might be less effective in situations where the individuals are more socially isolated yet more tightly housed (dense apartments/condos/prisons) with lower quality foods available to them


Agreed.
Add to it the type of jobs this demographic has. I'm guessing NOT flipping burgers or waiting tables for a living (and if their teens are, they can afford to pull them out), mostly white collar jobs with a higher possibility of working from home.

Still, you can and should still adjust for these factors and use the information as a useful data points.

/just wait until insurance companies start buying these companies out
//"Well, mr. smith, it seems you mentioned this wasn't a preexisting condition, but we noticed your temperature was up for the past period right up to when you signed with us."
///wait until these thermometers start having "family member profiles". That's when you should really get worried.
 
2020-04-01 10:28:41 AM  

Izunbacol: The other one is laid-off, fired, unemployed, or watching their wee Beeswax wither and die.

If you were looking for the other America, it's down the hall.


This.  Fark, for the most part, doesn't get it.
 
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