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2020-03-31 11:53:14 AM  
Just like 1918!
 
2020-03-31 12:00:24 PM  
Not reporting will magically make it all go away, make Trump humpers happy.
 
2020-03-31 12:18:24 PM  
Welp, at least I'm able to work at home. No intention of going to my leper colony/normal workplace anytime soon.
 
2020-03-31 12:35:49 PM  
Not for nothing this actually does make some level of sense. You most likely don't want to alert other countries as to which of your units are not operational due to Coronavirus.(like say a long range bomber air wing grounded due to Coronavirus)  I am also certain the military can be effective at making their sick service members stay in quarantine. Not everything is a conspiracy.
 
2020-03-31 12:36:38 PM  
That's right. Order the numbers not to be reported, and those cases will magically disappear!
 
2020-03-31 12:37:43 PM  

not enough beer: . Not everything is a conspiracy.



That's what THEY want you to believe.
 
2020-03-31 12:37:49 PM  
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2020-03-31 12:37:53 PM  
It makes sense in a defense kind of way, unless you're sitting on a fence whence the virus may commence and we have Mike Pence to make us even more tense as we sit in suspense wondering when the Commander In Offense is going to finally do us all in.
 
2020-03-31 12:38:39 PM  
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/What a farking mess...
 
2020-03-31 12:38:43 PM  

not enough beer: Not for nothing this actually does make some level of sense. You most likely don't want to alert other countries as to which of your units are not operational due to Coronavirus.(like say a long range bomber air wing grounded due to Coronavirus)  I am also certain the military can be effective at making their sick service members stay in quarantine. Not everything is a conspiracy.


Yep, correct move.

Also SOP, so, should've been done weeks ago.

There's nothing Donnie can't fark up.
 
2020-03-31 12:38:48 PM  
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2020-03-31 12:39:12 PM  

not enough beer: Not for nothing this actually does make some level of sense. You most likely don't want to alert other countries as to which of your units are not operational due to Coronavirus.(like say a long range bomber air wing grounded due to Coronavirus)  I am also certain the military can be effective at making their sick service members stay in quarantine. Not everything is a conspiracy.


Exactly. Having worked with tactical units in the past, this is a very real thing: don't disclose which units (as you can look up which units are homed at each base, what their focus is, numbers total, etc.). If they do this correctly, the numbers will be added to public totals, just not identified as military numbers.
 
2020-03-31 12:39:49 PM  

not enough beer: Not for nothing this actually does make some level of sense. You most likely don't want to alert other countries as to which of your units are not operational due to Coronavirus.(like say a long range bomber air wing grounded due to Coronavirus)  I am also certain the military can be effective at making their sick service members stay in quarantine. Not everything is a conspiracy.


Because Timor-Leste isn't dealing with their own problems and as soon as they heard Fort Bragg had a couple guys that were sick, they leapt at their chance to invade Bowling Green.
 
2020-03-31 12:40:03 PM  

WayneKerr: It makes sense in a defense kind of way, unless you're sitting on a fence whence the virus may commence and we have Mike Pence to make us even more tense as we sit in suspense wondering when the Commander In Offense is going to finally do us all in.


People cant pay their rents, the economy is shutdown for all intents, and everyone is pensive that theyll be the next patient.
 
2020-03-31 12:40:10 PM  
This is an OPSEC thing.  They said stop reporting it publicly.  Outbreak or no outbreak the #1 job of the US military is protecting us from outside threats. This ability is compromised if everyone and their mother knows one whole base (and the units based there) is combat ineffective.

Seriously.  Not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy guys.
 
2020-03-31 12:40:57 PM  
Did the base look like this?
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2020-03-31 12:41:13 PM  
I've yet to see any evidence pointing to not everything being a conspiracy.
 
2020-03-31 12:41:56 PM  

phalamir: not enough beer: Not for nothing this actually does make some level of sense. You most likely don't want to alert other countries as to which of your units are not operational due to Coronavirus.(like say a long range bomber air wing grounded due to Coronavirus)  I am also certain the military can be effective at making their sick service members stay in quarantine. Not everything is a conspiracy.

Because Timor-Leste isn't dealing with their own problems and as soon as they heard Fort Bragg had a couple guys that were sick, they leapt at their chance to invade Bowling Green.


It sounds stupid.  But its a legit concern.  Not Fort Bragg, but other places over seas, or more globally strategic assets.  And it is there job.  You think are guys aren't tuning in to what places are non-operational in Iran right now?
 
2020-03-31 12:43:32 PM  
This is why I laugh when people say the military will step in and save us from Trump.
 
2020-03-31 12:44:07 PM  
This is gonna be Trump's Jade Helm!!11!!
 
2020-03-31 12:44:53 PM  

PunGent: not enough beer: Not for nothing this actually does make some level of sense. You most likely don't want to alert other countries as to which of your units are not operational due to Coronavirus.(like say a long range bomber air wing grounded due to Coronavirus)  I am also certain the military can be effective at making their sick service members stay in quarantine. Not everything is a conspiracy.

Yep, correct move.

Also SOP, so, should've been done weeks ago.

There's nothing Donnie can't fark up.


To be fair is this really something to blame on Trump when this was probably a DoD policy? Yes, ultimately the DoD operates under the president but this isn't something they likely asked the White House about nor something that would ever make the President's desk. Bureaucracies are going to Bureaucracy.
 
2020-03-31 12:45:02 PM  

Wicked Chinchilla: phalamir: not enough beer: Not for nothing this actually does make some level of sense. You most likely don't want to alert other countries as to which of your units are not operational due to Coronavirus.(like say a long range bomber air wing grounded due to Coronavirus)  I am also certain the military can be effective at making their sick service members stay in quarantine. Not everything is a conspiracy.

Because Timor-Leste isn't dealing with their own problems and as soon as they heard Fort Bragg had a couple guys that were sick, they leapt at their chance to invade Bowling Green.

It sounds stupid.  But its a legit concern.  Not Fort Bragg, but other places over seas, or more globally strategic assets.  And it is there job.  You think are guys aren't tuning in to what places are non-operational in Iran right now?


their and our.  GOD. stupid phone.
 
2020-03-31 12:47:08 PM  
You don't generally report to the world that you've been operationally degraded in strategic areas. I'm surprised they were reporting them in the first place.
 
2020-03-31 12:48:47 PM  

genner: not enough beer: . Not everything is a conspiracy.


That's what THEY want you to believe.


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2020-03-31 12:48:53 PM  

phalamir: not enough beer: Not for nothing this actually does make some level of sense. You most likely don't want to alert other countries as to which of your units are not operational due to Coronavirus.(like say a long range bomber air wing grounded due to Coronavirus)  I am also certain the military can be effective at making their sick service members stay in quarantine. Not everything is a conspiracy.

Because Timor-Leste isn't dealing with their own problems and as soon as they heard Fort Bragg had a couple guys that were sick, they leapt at their chance to invade Bowling Green.


Or maybe Iranian-sponsored militia attacks on our positions in the Middle East, genius.
 
2020-03-31 12:51:21 PM  

KangTheMad: phalamir: not enough beer: Not for nothing this actually does make some level of sense. You most likely don't want to alert other countries as to which of your units are not operational due to Coronavirus.(like say a long range bomber air wing grounded due to Coronavirus)  I am also certain the military can be effective at making their sick service members stay in quarantine. Not everything is a conspiracy.

Because Timor-Leste isn't dealing with their own problems and as soon as they heard Fort Bragg had a couple guys that were sick, they leapt at their chance to invade Bowling Green.

Or maybe Iranian-sponsored militia attacks on our positions in the Middle East, genius.


Or say giving a green light to China in the South China Sea because we public ally announced two of our lactic aircraft carriers may have outbreaks.
 
2020-03-31 12:51:33 PM  
I think China already knows how fubar'd the US Pacific Fleet is right now and would be putting landing craft on Japanese s beaches right now if their own armies weren't coughing up bloody phlegm themselves.
 
2020-03-31 12:51:58 PM  

Daedalus27: PunGent: not enough beer: Not for nothing this actually does make some level of sense. You most likely don't want to alert other countries as to which of your units are not operational due to Coronavirus.(like say a long range bomber air wing grounded due to Coronavirus)  I am also certain the military can be effective at making their sick service members stay in quarantine. Not everything is a conspiracy.

Yep, correct move.

Also SOP, so, should've been done weeks ago.

There's nothing Donnie can't fark up.

To be fair is this really something to blame on Trump when this was probably a DoD policy? Yes, ultimately the DoD operates under the president but this isn't something they likely asked the White House about nor something that would ever make the President's desk. Bureaucracies are going to Bureaucracy.


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You're not necessarily wrong, but there have been serious questions about military discipline breaking down over the last several years and, especially, under Donald J. Trump. This is the asshole who personally intervenes in cases of military justice, undermines leadership to score cheap political points for his hootin' and hollerin' supporters and touts literal war criminals as heroes.

Under a normal president, yea, it would be a long shot to say this is the president's fault. But, since Trump can't keep his piehole shut and insists on inserting himself into everything, well... too bad. Sure, there's almost a zero percent chance he's directly responsible, but there's plenty of evidence, provided by the idiot-in-chief himself, to question whether or not his poor leadership holds some indirect responsibility.
 
2020-03-31 12:54:38 PM  
We'll never have real numbers.
 
2020-03-31 12:55:34 PM  

Albert911emt: Not reporting will magically make it all go away, make Trump humpers happy.


Reporting too much about your own status makes the enemy say "now would be a good time for hijinks!".
You know, the sorts of shenanigans involving missiles and bombs. The kind you don't want to happen now more than ever, when your forces are being visibly redeployed to deal with a pandemic.
Pandemics cause weakness as much as they are spread by conflict, which is why they tend to go hand in hand with war.

Lots of things happen that don't involve Trump and this is one of those things.
 
2020-03-31 12:56:20 PM  
Good news for me. I was on an air force base yesterday
 
2020-03-31 1:00:01 PM  
...And it's true insignificance would shock the world.
 
2020-03-31 1:02:43 PM  

not enough beer: Not for nothing this actually does make some level of sense. You most likely don't want to alert other countries as to which of your units are not operational due to Coronavirus.

Wicked Chinchilla: Outbreak or no outbreak the #1 job of the US military is protecting us from outside threats. This ability is compromised if everyone and their mother knows one whole base (and the units based there) is combat ineffective.

skozlaw: You don't generally report to the world that you've been operationally degraded in strategic areas.

You generally try not to be compromised by a bug in the first place, not that the U.S. military is ever about defense.

It's neither here nor there, though, which makes it weirdly funny.  Hell, why NOT disclose the state of our bases?  Secret's already out, if the F-35 didn't already make it screamingly obvious -- the U.S. military is coasting on reputation.  Oh, there are still plenty of brave souls left, but they're thoroughly undermined, and likely know it.  The main reason why no one's taken advantage is because it's much easier & cheaper to directly compromise the government itself.  You can buy off a Congressman for less than the price of a used Kia, and you only need a few hundred -- well within the budget of the vast majority of nations -- to literally write the country's laws.  Why the hell would, say, Russia attack the U.S. at this point?  They got their man in the damn White House!

No, the bases are safe, because at this point they're a glorified jobs program.  If there's a single patriot left in the damn country, though, they should be rightly pissed that Congress keeps giving the military so much money and then leaves the backdoor open with their bare ass right at the doorway with "F*** MY ***DUMPSTER ASSHOLE HERE" written on the cheeks in permanent day-glo ink.
 
2020-03-31 1:02:51 PM  

way south: Albert911emt: Not reporting will magically make it all go away, make Trump humpers happy.

Reporting too much about your own status makes the enemy say "now would be a good time for hijinks!".
You know, the sorts of shenanigans involving missiles and bombs. The kind you don't want to happen now more than ever, when your forces are being visibly redeployed to deal with a pandemic.
Pandemics cause weakness as much as they are spread by conflict, which is why they tend to go hand in hand with war.

Lots of things happen that don't involve Trump and this is one of those things.



Yeah, keeping pandemics secret always makes things better. Worked out really well during WWI.
 
2020-03-31 1:04:50 PM  

not enough beer: Not for nothing this actually does make some level of sense. You most likely don't want to alert other countries as to which of your units are not operational due to Coronavirus.(like say a long range bomber air wing grounded due to Coronavirus)  I am also certain the military can be effective at making their sick service members stay in quarantine. Not everything is a conspiracy.


Came here for this, provided that the numbers are being reported somewhere and figured into the totals from which policy decisions at the federal, state, and local levels are made.
 
2020-03-31 1:05:22 PM  

PunGent: Yep, correct move.

Also SOP, so, should've been done weeks ago.


Maxwell AFB in Alabama is where the Air Force does lots of training, a number of different schools, etc. It's business as usual although a number of base people (civilians) are working from home. Waiting until the outbreak happens to lock down is the exact opposite of smart.
 
2020-03-31 1:07:12 PM  
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2020-03-31 1:07:40 PM  

Albert911emt: way south: Albert911emt: Not reporting will magically make it all go away, make Trump humpers happy.

Reporting too much about your own status makes the enemy say "now would be a good time for hijinks!".
You know, the sorts of shenanigans involving missiles and bombs. The kind you don't want to happen now more than ever, when your forces are being visibly redeployed to deal with a pandemic.
Pandemics cause weakness as much as they are spread by conflict, which is why they tend to go hand in hand with war.

Lots of things happen that don't involve Trump and this is one of those things.


Yeah, keeping pandemics secret always makes things better. Worked out really well during WWI.


Unlike WWI this secret is pretty much out and everyone's aware there's a pandemic.
Telling people that all the soldiers at base XYZ are stuck in bed a cough is only encouraging some asshat to drop a mortar on them.
 
2020-03-31 1:08:29 PM  
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Things fall apart; the center cannot hold
 
2020-03-31 1:09:44 PM  
The people right now who are blaming pumpkin head for this are the same people who would say it was proper military strategy not to report the numbers under Obama.


It would be the same if Obama was president.  The Infowars/Jade Helm jokers would be yelling it was a conspiracy to cancel the election and for Obama to seize power in a military coup or some shiet.

Sidebar news flash.  If they DID cancel the election, Trump wouldn't be seated again.  The House would chose the President with the Representatives currently in office.

So, if someone was inclined to cancel the election, he/she would be making Nancy Pelosi president.  Suck on that one a bit....

I DO think it's smart not to tell the rest of the world where our weaknesses are when we have so much going on at home right now.  Regardless of who's in charge, it just makes sense.
 
2020-03-31 1:11:14 PM  

not enough beer: Not for nothing this actually does make some level of sense. You most likely don't want to alert other countries as to which of your units are not operational due to Coronavirus.(like say a long range bomber air wing grounded due to Coronavirus)  I am also certain the military can be effective at making their sick service members stay in quarantine. Not everything is a conspiracy.


Way more worried about the ballistic missile subs.
 
2020-03-31 1:12:20 PM  

Wicked Chinchilla: This is an OPSEC thing.  They said stop reporting it publicly.  Outbreak or no outbreak the #1 job of the US military is protecting us from outside threats. This ability is compromised if everyone and their mother knows one whole base (and the units based there) is combat ineffective.

Seriously.  Not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy guys.


As long as they quarantine the base and work with state and local governments on containment I don't have a problem.
The federal government must make darn sure that the soldiers and their families are taken care of as well.
 
2020-03-31 1:12:44 PM  

Charlie Freak: not enough beer: Not for nothing this actually does make some level of sense. You most likely don't want to alert other countries as to which of your units are not operational due to Coronavirus.(like say a long range bomber air wing grounded due to Coronavirus)  I am also certain the military can be effective at making their sick service members stay in quarantine. Not everything is a conspiracy.

Way more worried about the ballistic missile subs.


Well we let it public ally fly that two aircraft carriers may have this policy was meant to stop before we say there is a boomer out there that has it.
 
2020-03-31 1:13:57 PM  
Haha, people criticize the Chinese for not being honest about infections and deaths and our government and military do the exact same thing. It's like when a parent tells their teen "...and I don't want you doing drugs, now go get me a beer".
 
2020-03-31 1:15:56 PM  

Charlie Freak: not enough beer: Not for nothing this actually does make some level of sense. You most likely don't want to alert other countries as to which of your units are not operational due to Coronavirus.(like say a long range bomber air wing grounded due to Coronavirus)  I am also certain the military can be effective at making their sick service members stay in quarantine. Not everything is a conspiracy.

Way more worried about the ballistic missile subs.


Don't worry. At least one of them will make it to Australia before it's over.
 
2020-03-31 1:18:09 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: I think China already knows how fubar'd the US Pacific Fleet is right now and would be putting landing craft on Japanese s beaches right now if their own armies weren't coughing up bloody phlegm themselves.

The art of war, going back to the Art of War, is to hit your enemy where they are least defended.

Attack the Pacific Fleet:  Sustain significant casualties, escalate global instability, possibly wake a sleeping bear
Estimated Cost:  Tens of billions (USD), minimum.

Bribe Congress:  Foxconn rode Wisconsin's idiots to a $3 billion sweetheart deal.
Cost:  $45,000

Fark the Pacific Fleet.
 
2020-03-31 1:22:38 PM  
Good old DoD. It's not really possible for the military to quickly change traditions and whatnot.

Training environments are just not conducive to social distancing. The system is not flexible enough to do anything differently. There are some amusing stories about pink eye rampaging and infecting everyone.
 
2020-03-31 1:24:04 PM  
2020 will go down as the year that deaths by "pneumonia", "heart attack", and "stroke" mysteriously rose for no explainable reason.
 
2020-03-31 1:38:32 PM  
"My guess is that Fort Jackson is doing a pretty good job. ... I don't imagine they are trying to hide anything."


...says man about organization which has just announced that it is hiding something.

 
2020-03-31 1:38:46 PM  

TheVirginMarty: Good old DoD. It's not really possible for the military to quickly change traditions and whatnot.

Training environments are just not conducive to social distancing. The system is not flexible enough to do anything differently.


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