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2020-03-31 10:40:56 AM  
I get a lot of use out of The Division references, but...seriously, as far as accuracy goes, that game was scary prescient.
 
2020-03-31 10:42:23 AM  

Kit Fister: I get a lot of use out of The Division references, but...seriously, as far as accuracy goes, that game was scary prescient.


Hadn't thought of that but you're right
 
2020-03-31 10:47:48 AM  

Drew: Kit Fister: I get a lot of use out of The Division references, but...seriously, as far as accuracy goes, that game was scary prescient.

Hadn't thought of that but you're right


The only things that haven't happened yet are complete isolation of Manhattan, the establishment of Dark Zones, and paramilitary organizations invading/taking over shiat. But, give it time.
 
2020-03-31 10:50:26 AM  
I'm symptomatic in NYC. Symptoms started 13 days ago, got really bad 9 days ago, and started slowly receding 4 days ago. I still get short of breath pacing around my room, my chest still aches, and I get sudden bouts of fatigue throughout the day. But the cough is subsiding, and the fever is gone.

Doctor told me I can only get tested at the hospital, and to only go there if I can't breathe at all. So I'm still not in the stats.

So it looks like I'll be ok, but just in case I don't make it, I want the opposite of giving everyone my stuff. Every farker has to walk by and drop in a favored possession into my crypt, which will then be sealed up like a dragon's hoard.

Drew has to toss in multiple items. Don't be cheap.
 
2020-03-31 10:51:00 AM  
What a temporary field hospital in NYC might look like:

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Wait, no, that's the division again.
 
2020-03-31 10:53:29 AM  

Algebrat: So it looks like I'll be ok, but just in case I don't make it, I want the opposite of giving everyone my stuff. Every farker has to walk by and drop in a favored possession into my crypt, which will then be sealed up like a dragon's hoard.


Dude we love you but we're not doing that.
 
2020-03-31 10:56:37 AM  

Algebrat: I'm symptomatic in NYC. Symptoms started 13 days ago, got really bad 9 days ago, and started slowly receding 4 days ago. I still get short of breath pacing around my room, my chest still aches, and I get sudden bouts of fatigue throughout the day. But the cough is subsiding, and the fever is gone.

Doctor told me I can only get tested at the hospital, and to only go there if I can't breathe at all. So I'm still not in the stats.

So it looks like I'll be ok, but just in case I don't make it, I want the opposite of giving everyone my stuff. Every farker has to walk by and drop in a favored possession into my crypt, which will then be sealed up like a dragon's hoard.

Drew has to toss in multiple items. Don't be cheap.


OK, serious question -
I have been reading that the symptoms (dry cough from hell, high fever) hit quickly. So yours ramped up?

Glad you made it through and are you're getting better.
But if you do croak, since you asked nicely I'll be sure to drop an extra special deuce in your crypt.
 
2020-03-31 10:59:35 AM  
I saw a facebook flamewar yesterday where someone honestly thought that this was all a media event, and that nothing was happening.

Articles like this need to be shoved down their throat.

Algebrat: So it looks like I'll be ok


Do we need to send you some Isaly's Chipped Chopped Ham and BBQ sauce?  That shiat will cure anything!   (I have you farkied as a yinzer)

/Seriously, GET WELL!!
 
2020-03-31 11:01:52 AM  
Yeah but the economy! I mean... so what if 10-15% of people die because nobody can get medical help and hospitals are full, doctors and nurses become sick/overworked/die and dont come to work anymore?

I mean, 10-15% is only 34-50 million people! No big deal!
 
2020-03-31 11:02:25 AM  

elvisaintdead: Algebrat: I'm symptomatic in NYC. Symptoms started 13 days ago, got really bad 9 days ago, and started slowly receding 4 days ago. I still get short of breath pacing around my room, my chest still aches, and I get sudden bouts of fatigue throughout the day. But the cough is subsiding, and the fever is gone.

Doctor told me I can only get tested at the hospital, and to only go there if I can't breathe at all. So I'm still not in the stats.

So it looks like I'll be ok, but just in case I don't make it, I want the opposite of giving everyone my stuff. Every farker has to walk by and drop in a favored possession into my crypt, which will then be sealed up like a dragon's hoard.

Drew has to toss in multiple items. Don't be cheap.

OK, serious question -
I have been reading that the symptoms (dry cough from hell, high fever) hit quickly. So yours ramped up?

Glad you made it through and are you're getting better.
But if you do croak, since you asked nicely I'll be sure to drop an extra special deuce in your crypt.


The symptom patterns can vary.  For some it's a ramp up, some have a sharp onset, then a respite of a day or so, then it comes back.  People have different immune systems and immune responses.
 
2020-03-31 11:06:36 AM  
Algebrat:
So it looks like I'll be ok, but just in case I don't make it, I want the opposite of giving everyone my stuff. Every farker has to walk by and drop in a favored possession into my crypt, which will then be sealed up like a dragon's hoard.


I have a favorite sock that is probably ready for retirement.

/glad you're on the road to recovery.
 
2020-03-31 11:07:51 AM  
I have had a suddden headache, nasal drip, and sore throat 3 times in the last two months. I've been gargling listerine, and within 48 hours it's gone away each time. Like the viral load couldn't reach critical mass.

It also pairs well with common sense based on the nose / sinus incubation, with a quick drop to the lower lungs.  Restrict the tie between the nose and lungs and it may help fight it off.

/anecdotal, unfortunately
 
2020-03-31 11:17:57 AM  

lolmao500: Yeah but the economy! I mean... so what if 10-15% of people die because nobody can get medical help and hospitals are full, doctors and nurses become sick/overworked/die and dont come to work anymore?

I mean, 10-15% is only 34-50 million people! No big deal!


Well, you're not wrong, but there is literally no way for us to produce more doctors and nurses overnight, build entirely new hospitals, and flood the supply chain with products they desperately need. Unless you're a company that already had all the tooling and equipment in place to manufacture the needed stuff, it takes time to reconfigure a production line to start cranking out a completely different product, and that's assuming that all the raw materials and components are readily available.

No matter how much money you throw at the problem, the time it takes for manufacturers to start ramping up is still going to be non-zero, and more likely to be in the days, weeks, or even months range.

The problem with where we're at now, logically, is that many/most businesses in this economy are interlinked and dependent on continued operation to keep the money flowing. They're not Apple, where they have zero debt and a shiatload of cash in bank accounts.  The longer they're shuttered and unable to produce, the less economically viable they are and the more likely they are to end up going bankrupt/shutting down because of this.

That in turn will convert temporarily laid off/furloughed employees into unemployed people quickly, and the more jobs get lost during this, the less people are going to be able to find employment when it ends. That means a much much greater long term unemployment rate, which means a greater drain on the system and less money being spent overall in the economy, which means more businesses that survived the crisis are now facing economic failure because the market's not there for them anymore and allowing them to continue operations, which means more people lose jobs, and so on.

This is truly a no-win scenario. If businesses reopen and people go back to work before the danger has passed, we face a huge potential uptick in illnesses and death, and immediate issues that come with exposure.

If we play it safe and remain shuttered for long periods, the long-term economic impacts on the US will be extremely bad, and could lead to not just a recession here, but potentially a world-wide depression.  That will in turn feed deaths because of famine, lack of access to resources, loss of living space, and so on in a cascading event that will take years, if not decades to dig out from.

The US got lucky with the depression because, thanks to WWII, there was suddenly a booming war-time economy, and a huge market available due to reconstruction afterwards.  It cut down our recovery by decades.

Is there a solution? I don't know. But it's not as simple as "just stay shut down until we tell you it's safe", assuming that's not just delaying the inevitable (considering that those who have had the C-virus don't develop a true immunity to it, and can easily reinfect).

Kobayashi Maru.
 
2020-03-31 11:18:38 AM  

aungen: I have had a suddden headache, nasal drip, and sore throat 3 times in the last two months. I've been gargling listerine, and within 48 hours it's gone away each time. Like the viral load couldn't reach critical mass.

It also pairs well with common sense based on the nose / sinus incubation, with a quick drop to the lower lungs.  Restrict the tie between the nose and lungs and it may help fight it off.

/anecdotal, unfortunately


I have that usually due to the sudden changes in weather and allergies.
 
2020-03-31 11:19:32 AM  

Algebrat: I'm symptomatic in NYC. Symptoms started 13 days ago, got really bad 9 days ago, and started slowly receding 4 days ago. I still get short of breath pacing around my room, my chest still aches, and I get sudden bouts of fatigue throughout the day. But the cough is subsiding, and the fever is gone.

Doctor told me I can only get tested at the hospital, and to only go there if I can't breathe at all. So I'm still not in the stats.

So it looks like I'll be ok, but just in case I don't make it, I want the opposite of giving everyone my stuff. Every farker has to walk by and drop in a favored possession into my crypt, which will then be sealed up like a dragon's hoard.

Drew has to toss in multiple items. Don't be cheap.


I'll gladly donate, with the caveat that I may, at some point in the future, have to dig you up again to retrieve what I, err, donate to your casket.
 
2020-03-31 11:22:53 AM  
it would appear that todd and i live in the same neighborhood.
gonna have a look-see at the setup today.
 
2020-03-31 11:26:17 AM  

elvisaintdead: Algebrat: I'm symptomatic in NYC. Symptoms started 13 days ago, got really bad 9 days ago, and started slowly receding 4 days ago. I still get short of breath pacing around my room, my chest still aches, and I get sudden bouts of fatigue throughout the day. But the cough is subsiding, and the fever is gone.

Doctor told me I can only get tested at the hospital, and to only go there if I can't breathe at all. So I'm still not in the stats.

So it looks like I'll be ok, but just in case I don't make it, I want the opposite of giving everyone my stuff. Every farker has to walk by and drop in a favored possession into my crypt, which will then be sealed up like a dragon's hoard.

Drew has to toss in multiple items. Don't be cheap.

OK, serious question -
I have been reading that the symptoms (dry cough from hell, high fever) hit quickly. So yours ramped up?

Glad you made it through and are you're getting better.
But if you do croak, since you asked nicely I'll be sure to drop an extra special deuce in your crypt.


They hit quickly (cough, fever, sore throat), receded like with a normal flu, then a different set of symptoms hit a few days later (chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue).  The fever, which had receded, came back stronger.

Joke's on you, I've been secretly feeding you gold dust for years, so your deuce is highly valuable.
 
2020-03-31 11:33:59 AM  

geom_00: I saw a facebook flamewar yesterday where someone honestly thought that this was all a media event, and that nothing was happening.

Articles like this need to be shoved down their throat.

Algebrat: So it looks like I'll be ok

Do we need to send you some Isaly's Chipped Chopped Ham and BBQ sauce?  That shiat will cure anything!   (I have you farkied as a yinzer)

/Seriously, GET WELL!!


Thanks, I appreciate it.  Save the miracle BBQ serum for first responders.  I heard you can sanitize N-95 masks in that stuff.

Yup, raised in the burgh, 6th grade through college (CMU).  We'll make it through this n'at.
 
2020-03-31 11:35:43 AM  

jso2897: Algebrat: So it looks like I'll be ok, but just in case I don't make it, I want the opposite of giving everyone my stuff. Every farker has to walk by and drop in a favored possession into my crypt, which will then be sealed up like a dragon's hoard.

Dude we love you but we're not doing that.


Joke's on you, your love is the most valuable possession of all, and you have given it willingly.
 
2020-03-31 11:40:09 AM  

SBinRR: Algebrat:
So it looks like I'll be ok, but just in case I don't make it, I want the opposite of giving everyone my stuff. Every farker has to walk by and drop in a favored possession into my crypt, which will then be sealed up like a dragon's hoard.


I have a favorite sock that is probably ready for retirement.

/glad you're on the road to recovery.


Joke's on you, your sock is infused with your love, which you have given willingly.
 
2020-03-31 11:40:22 AM  
PA liquor stores have been closed for a couple weeks.

Beer sores were still open a week ago. I fled that Hell hole.
 
2020-03-31 11:44:38 AM  

Kit Fister: Algebrat: I'm symptomatic in NYC. Symptoms started 13 days ago, got really bad 9 days ago, and started slowly receding 4 days ago. I still get short of breath pacing around my room, my chest still aches, and I get sudden bouts of fatigue throughout the day. But the cough is subsiding, and the fever is gone.

Doctor told me I can only get tested at the hospital, and to only go there if I can't breathe at all. So I'm still not in the stats.

So it looks like I'll be ok, but just in case I don't make it, I want the opposite of giving everyone my stuff. Every farker has to walk by and drop in a favored possession into my crypt, which will then be sealed up like a dragon's hoard.

Drew has to toss in multiple items. Don't be cheap.

I'll gladly donate, with the caveat that I may, at some point in the future, have to dig you up again to retrieve what I, err, donate to your casket.


Hey, if you can make it past the dragon, whatever you dropped in plus a mountain of crusty socks and golden deuces is all yours.
 
2020-03-31 12:05:19 PM  

Kit Fister: aungen: I have had a suddden headache, nasal drip, and sore throat 3 times in the last two months. I've been gargling listerine, and within 48 hours it's gone away each time. Like the viral load couldn't reach critical mass.

It also pairs well with common sense based on the nose / sinus incubation, with a quick drop to the lower lungs.  Restrict the tie between the nose and lungs and it may help fight it off.

/anecdotal, unfortunately

I have that usually due to the sudden changes in weather and allergies.


Last week I finally got the season-change stuff.  This was a weird / sudden thing.  I kinda hope I've had it and was one of the people who barely notices.  Though that could also be a bad thing if it means the virus goes into remission and waits for a chance later.  Which we don't know about, yet.
 
2020-03-31 12:51:47 PM  

mentula: it would appear that todd and i live in the same neighborhood.
gonna have a look-see at the setup today.


Yeah, we do, too.  Small world.
 
2020-03-31 1:58:16 PM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: PA liquor stores have been closed for a couple weeks.

Beer sores were still open a week ago. I fled that Hell hole.


Beer sores huh, might want to put the Yuengling down.
 
2020-03-31 3:58:25 PM  

Kit Fister: lolmao500: Yeah but the economy! I mean... so what if 10-15% of people die because nobody can get medical help and hospitals are full, doctors and nurses become sick/overworked/die and dont come to work anymore?

I mean, 10-15% is only 34-50 million people! No big deal!

Well, you're not wrong, but there is literally no way for us to produce more doctors and nurses overnight, build entirely new hospitals, and flood the supply chain with products they desperately need. Unless you're a company that already had all the tooling and equipment in place to manufacture the needed stuff, it takes time to reconfigure a production line to start cranking out a completely different product, and that's assuming that all the raw materials and components are readily available.

No matter how much money you throw at the problem, the time it takes for manufacturers to start ramping up is still going to be non-zero, and more likely to be in the days, weeks, or even months range.

The problem with where we're at now, logically, is that many/most businesses in this economy are interlinked and dependent on continued operation to keep the money flowing. They're not Apple, where they have zero debt and a shiatload of cash in bank accounts.  The longer they're shuttered and unable to produce, the less economically viable they are and the more likely they are to end up going bankrupt/shutting down because of this.

That in turn will convert temporarily laid off/furloughed employees into unemployed people quickly, and the more jobs get lost during this, the less people are going to be able to find employment when it ends. That means a much much greater long term unemployment rate, which means a greater drain on the system and less money being spent overall in the economy, which means more businesses that survived the crisis are now facing economic failure because the market's not there for them anymore and allowing them to continue operations, which means more people lose jobs, and so on.

This is truly a no-win scenario. If businesses reopen and people go back to work before the danger has passed, we face a huge potential uptick in illnesses and death, and immediate issues that come with exposure.

If we play it safe and remain shuttered for long periods, the long-term economic impacts on the US will be extremely bad, and could lead to not just a recession here, but potentially a world-wide depression.  That will in turn feed deaths because of famine, lack of access to resources, loss of living space, and so on in a cascading event that will take years, if not decades to dig out from.

The US got lucky with the depression because, thanks to WWII, there was suddenly a booming war-time economy, and a huge market available due to reconstruction afterwards.  It cut down our recovery by decades.

Is there a solution? I don't know. But it's not as simple as "just stay shut down until we tell you it's safe", assuming that's not just delaying the inevitable (considering that those who have had the C-virus don't develop a true immunity to it, and can easily reinfect).

Kobayashi Maru.


The solution is to scrap the false scarcity economy.

We're overdue for a paradigm shift.
 
2020-04-01 5:46:41 AM  

Algebrat: Kit Fister: Algebrat: I'm symptomatic in NYC. Symptoms started 13 days ago, got really bad 9 days ago, and started slowly receding 4 days ago. I still get short of breath pacing around my room, my chest still aches, and I get sudden bouts of fatigue throughout the day. But the cough is subsiding, and the fever is gone.

Doctor told me I can only get tested at the hospital, and to only go there if I can't breathe at all. So I'm still not in the stats.

So it looks like I'll be ok, but just in case I don't make it, I want the opposite of giving everyone my stuff. Every farker has to walk by and drop in a favored possession into my crypt, which will then be sealed up like a dragon's hoard.

Chief Beerlord von Fark has to toss in multiple items. Don't be cheap.

I'll gladly donate, with the caveat that I may, at some point in the future, have to dig you up again to retrieve what I, err, donate to your casket.

Hey, if you can make it past the dragon, whatever you dropped in plus a mountain of crusty socks and golden deuces is all yours.


The Dragon's on my payroll.
 
2020-04-01 5:48:15 AM  

Medic Zero: The solution is to scrap the false scarcity economy.

We're overdue for a paradigm shift.


And while you're spending the decades retooling everything for some other kind of economy, millions starve, go homeless, and can't afford jack shiat, and the world goes through Bee's knees Depression II.

Have fun with that.
 
2020-04-01 5:48:48 AM  

Kit Fister: Medic Zero: The solution is to scrap the false scarcity economy.

We're overdue for a paradigm shift.

And while you're spending the decades retooling everything for some other kind of economy, millions starve, go homeless, and can't afford jack shiat, and the world goes through Bee's knees Depression II.

Have fun with that.


Well, that's a weird filter.
 
2020-04-01 8:38:27 AM  

Kit Fister: Medic Zero: The solution is to scrap the false scarcity economy.

We're overdue for a paradigm shift.

And while you're spending the decades retooling everything for some other kind of economy, millions starve, go homeless, and can't afford jack shiat, and the world goes through Bee's knees Depression II.

Have fun with that.



Thing is, the world is entering a G R E A T Depression worse than the one in the 1920's anyway. There's no point in further using socialistic methods to bail out failing unfettered capitalism. The only way the world recovered from the last capital D Depression was France and England giving generations of gold and wealth to the US to spool up factories to provide them with arms. No such luck this time. Entire world is borked as far as the current model of capitalism goes. You can kiss it goodbye now and start making plans for something different, or you can try and deal with a much messier transition sometime in the next year or so.

Era's over. Virus out front should've told you.
 
2020-04-01 1:36:11 PM  
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2020-04-01 1:36:20 PM  

jso2897: Algebrat: So it looks like I'll be ok, but just in case I don't make it, I want the opposite of giving everyone my stuff. Every farker has to walk by and drop in a favored possession into my crypt, which will then be sealed up like a dragon's hoard.

Dude we love you but we're not doing that.


Besides, how am I going to drop a dark black past?
 
2020-04-01 1:42:52 PM  

jim32rr: Mr. Fuzzypaws: PA Giggle-Water stores have been closed for a couple weeks.

Beer sores were still open a week ago. I fled that Hell hole.

Beer sores huh, might want to put the Yuengling down.


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/For a bit of levity.
//My office looks across Pottsville at the old brewery.
///I could go for a Lord Chesterfield right about now, but the Commonwealth wouldn't appreciate drinking during work hours.
 
2020-04-01 1:45:02 PM  
The fact that the two Navy hospital ships are docked on American shores helping AMERICANS really should underscore how farked the situation is.

Please stay home. I hope the only case of Corona you get is some moderately tasty MeWinnie The Poohcan beer.
 
2020-04-01 2:06:43 PM  

Medic Zero: Kit Fister: lolmao500: Yeah but the economy! I mean... so what if 10-15% of people die because nobody can get medical help and hospitals are full, doctors and nurses become sick/overworked/die and dont come to work anymore?

I mean, 10-15% is only 34-50 million people! No big deal!

Well, you're not All wet, but there is literally no way for us to produce more doctors and nurses overnight, build entirely new hospitals, and flood the supply chain with products they desperately need. Unless you're a company that already had all the tooling and equipment in place to manufacture the needed stuff, it takes time to reconfigure a production line to start cranking out a completely different product, and that's assuming that all the raw materials and components are readily available.

No matter how much Scratch you throw at the problem, the time it takes for manufacturers to start ramping up is still going to be non-zero, and more likely to be in the days, weeks, or even months range.

The problem with where we're at now, logically, is that many/most Beeswaxes in this economy are interlinked and dependent on continued operation to keep the Scratch flowing. They're not Apple, where they have zero debt and a shiatload of cash in bank accounts.  The longer they're shuttered and unable to produce, the less economically viable they are and the more likely they are to end up going bankrupt/shutting down because of this.

That in turn will convert temporarily laid off/furloughed employees into unemployed people quickly, and the more jobs get lost during this, the less people are going to be able to find employment when it ends. That means a much much Bee's kneeser long term unemployment rate, which means a Bee's kneeser drain on the system and less Scratch being spent overall in the economy, which means more Beeswaxes that survived the crisis are now facing economic failure because the market's not there for them anymore and allowing them to continue operations, which means more people lose jobs, and so on.

This is truly a no-win scenario. If Beeswaxes reopen and people go back to work before the danger has passed, we face a huge potential uptick in illnesses and death, and immediate issues that come with exposure.

If we play it safe and remain shuttered for long periods, the long-term economic impacts on the US will be extremely bad, and could lead to not just a recession here, but potentially a world-wide depression.  That will in turn feed deaths because of famine, lack of access to resources, loss of living space, and so on in a cascading event that will take years, if not decades to dig out from.

The US got lucky with the depression because, thanks to WWII, there was suddenly a booming war-time economy, and a huge market available due to reconstruction afterwards.  It cut down our recovery by decades.

Is there a solution? I don't know. But it's not as simple as "just stay shut down until we tell you it's safe", assuming that's not just delaying the inevitable (considering that those who have had the C-virus don't develop a true immunity to it, and can easily reinfect).

Kobayashi Maru.

The solution is to scrap the false scarcity economy.

We're overdue for a paradigm shift.


Most grain based food is produced by robot. Very very few Meathooks touch it before it hits the shelf.

Most if the robots tech was developed and delivered by the public sector and farm subsidies.

Time to nationalize grain. We already pay for it.
 
2020-04-01 2:08:22 PM  

Kit Fister: Medic Zero: The solution is to scrap the false scarcity economy.

We're overdue for a paradigm shift.

And while you're spending the decades retooling everything for some other kind of economy, millions starve, go homeless, and can't afford jack shiat, and the world goes through Bee's knees Depression II.

Have fun with that.


The tools are there, and considering all the bailouts and subsidies, the tax payers (the people) already own them.

It's your collective fear of necessary and overdue change which must be addressed, our tools are just fine
 
2020-04-01 4:04:49 PM  

geom_00: I saw a facebook flamewar yesterday where someone honestly thought that this was all a media event, and that nothing was happening.

Articles like this need to be shoved down their throat.

Algebrat: So it looks like I'll be ok

Do we need to send you some Isaly's Chipped Chopped Ham and BBQ sauce?  That shiat will cure anything!   (I have you farkied as a yinzer)

/Seriously, GET WELL!!


I'm not sick, can you send me that? I can source the barbecue.
 
2020-04-03 10:13:49 AM  
But I've been assured by "citizen reporters" that hospitals are empty and there are no lines for triage or testing.
 
2020-04-03 10:22:07 AM  

bthom37: elvisaintdead: Algebrat: I'm symptomatic in NYC. Symptoms started 13 days ago, got really bad 9 days ago, and started slowly receding 4 days ago. I still get short of breath pacing around my room, my chest still aches, and I get sudden bouts of fatigue throughout the day. But the cough is subsiding, and the fever is gone.

Doctor told me I can only get tested at the hospital, and to only go there if I can't breathe at all. So I'm still not in the stats.

So it looks like I'll be ok, but just in case I don't make it, I want the opposite of giving everyone my stuff. Every farker has to walk by and drop in a favored possession into my crypt, which will then be sealed up like a dragon's hoard.

Drew has to toss in multiple items. Don't be cheap.

OK, serious question -
I have been reading that the symptoms (dry cough from hell, high fever) hit quickly. So yours ramped up?

Glad you made it through and are you're getting better.
But if you do croak, since you asked nicely I'll be sure to drop an extra special deuce in your crypt.

The symptom patterns can vary.  For some it's a ramp up, some have a sharp onset, then a respite of a day or so, then it comes back.  People have different immune systems and immune responses.


I had a weird thing last week where I had chills, my throat was sore, and then my temperature spiked to 103.8 for an afternoon before coming down. I felt crappy for the next few days, but eventually my temp went away and I felt better.

Seems like I had a mild case, but without a test, I'll never know what I had.
 
2020-04-03 10:36:44 AM  
Proud of his reporting, still an odd name.

George Carlin - Guys Named Todd
Youtube PxqCGTkV5wg

/I have a brother who's name is Todd!
 
2020-04-03 10:40:03 AM  

Algebrat: I'm symptomatic in NYC. Symptoms started 13 days ago, got really bad 9 days ago, and started slowly receding 4 days ago. I still get short of breath pacing around my room, my chest still aches, and I get sudden bouts of fatigue throughout the day. But the cough is subsiding, and the fever is gone.

Doctor told me I can only get tested at the hospital, and to only go there if I can't breathe at all. So I'm still not in the stats.

So it looks like I'll be ok, but just in case I don't make it, I want the opposite of giving everyone my stuff. Every farker has to walk by and drop in a favored possession into my crypt, which will then be sealed up like a dragon's hoard.

Drew has to toss in multiple items. Don't be cheap.


Is it ok if my favored possessions are cursed flesh-eating scarabs?  Asking for an ancient evil...
 
2020-04-03 10:41:23 AM  

Kit Fister: I get a lot of use out of The Division references, but...seriously, as far as accuracy goes, that game was scary prescient.


I'm just finishing 'Horizon: Zero Dawn' and I kinda feel like it's a prophecy.
 
2020-04-03 10:44:14 AM  

Kit Fister: Medic Zero: The solution is to scrap the false scarcity economy.

We're overdue for a paradigm shift.

And while you're spending the decades retooling everything for some other kind of economy, millions starve, go homeless, and can't afford jack shiat, and the world goes through Bee's knees Depression II.

Have fun with that.


Well, retooling isn't necessary, just different modes of ownership.  As someone said...the taxpayers pay subsidies for oil and grain producers...without so much as a gallon of gas or a loaf of bread left on our doorsteps in appreciation.

If we can come up with a trillion to flush away on the stock market...to no discernible effect...perhaps we can address some underlying inequities in the system?

/we're not going to, don't worry
 
2020-04-03 10:53:53 AM  

Mad_Radhu: bthom37: elvisaintdead: Algebrat: I'm symptomatic in NYC. Symptoms started 13 days ago, got really bad 9 days ago, and started slowly receding 4 days ago. I still get short of breath pacing around my room, my chest still aches, and I get sudden bouts of fatigue throughout the day. But the cough is subsiding, and the fever is gone.

Doctor told me I can only get tested at the hospital, and to only go there if I can't breathe at all. So I'm still not in the stats.

So it looks like I'll be ok, but just in case I don't make it, I want the opposite of giving everyone my stuff. Every farker has to walk by and drop in a favored possession into my crypt, which will then be sealed up like a dragon's hoard.

Drew has to toss in multiple items. Don't be cheap.

OK, serious question -
I have been reading that the symptoms (dry cough from hell, high fever) hit quickly. So yours ramped up?

Glad you made it through and are you're getting better.
But if you do croak, since you asked nicely I'll be sure to drop an extra special deuce in your crypt.

The symptom patterns can vary.  For some it's a ramp up, some have a sharp onset, then a respite of a day or so, then it comes back.  People have different immune systems and immune responses.

I had a weird thing last week where I had chills, my throat was sore, and then my temperature spiked to 103.8 for an afternoon before coming down. I felt crappy for the next few days, but eventually my temp went away and I felt better.

Seems like I had a mild case, but without a test, I'll never know what I had.


I work for a large multinational, and the building my office is in has people from China and India coming and going all the time. In Feb, I got very sick for 2 weeks. Not a flu I've ever had, or a cold. Extreme fatigue, chills, fever but no real respiratory distress. But, I was at like 20% of normal power for half a month. I have my suspicions, but like you said, I'll never know for sure.
 
2020-04-03 10:54:42 AM  

Kit Fister: Drew: Kit Fister: I get a lot of use out of The Division references, but...seriously, as far as accuracy goes, that game was scary prescient.

Hadn't thought of that but you're right

The only things that haven't happened yet are complete isolation of Manhattan, the establishment of Dark Zones, and paramilitary organizations invading/taking over shiat. But, give it time.


Pretty sure there's already some right wing anti-gay group that's trying to setup some coronavirus field hospital in Central Park. So it's coming...
 
2020-04-03 11:17:55 AM  

Mad_Radhu: bthom37: elvisaintdead: Algebrat: I'm symptomatic in NYC. Symptoms started 13 days ago, got really bad 9 days ago, and started slowly receding 4 days ago. I still get short of breath pacing around my room, my chest still aches, and I get sudden bouts of fatigue throughout the day. But the cough is subsiding, and the fever is gone.

Doctor told me I can only get tested at the hospital, and to only go there if I can't breathe at all. So I'm still not in the stats.

So it looks like I'll be ok, but just in case I don't make it, I want the opposite of giving everyone my stuff. Every farker has to walk by and drop in a favored possession into my crypt, which will then be sealed up like a dragon's hoard.

Drew has to toss in multiple items. Don't be cheap.

OK, serious question -
I have been reading that the symptoms (dry cough from hell, high fever) hit quickly. So yours ramped up?

Glad you made it through and are you're getting better.
But if you do croak, since you asked nicely I'll be sure to drop an extra special deuce in your crypt.

The symptom patterns can vary.  For some it's a ramp up, some have a sharp onset, then a respite of a day or so, then it comes back.  People have different immune systems and immune responses.

I had a weird thing last week where I had chills, my throat was sore, and then my temperature spiked to 103.8 for an afternoon before coming down. I felt crappy for the next few days, but eventually my temp went away and I felt better.

Seems like I had a mild case, but without a test, I'll never know what I had.


Woke up last Saturday with a scratchy throat, isolated to one spot and a dry cough.  Went to take a shower and I couldn't seem to get warm at all.  Told Mrs Sloppy I was taking a quick nap and woke up up 6 hours later.  Went to the bathroom, verified blood sugar was ok and went back to bed.  I was up maybe a total of 5 hours between Saturday and Tuesday.  Feeling better by yesterday and only slight shortness of breath today.

Isolated away from the family sucked but hopefully that is the last of it for us for now.

Kind of a perfect storm here.  I am type 1 diabetic with slightly elevated blood pressure.  Mrs Sloppy works at a hospital but in case management.  Her MS keeps her from doing direct bedside patient care anymore.

Be safe you farkers.
 
2020-04-03 11:30:15 AM  

FlippityFlap: Mad_Radhu: bthom37: elvisaintdead: Algebrat: I'm symptomatic in NYC. Symptoms started 13 days ago, got really bad 9 days ago, and started slowly receding 4 days ago. I still get short of breath pacing around my room, my chest still aches, and I get sudden bouts of fatigue throughout the day. But the cough is subsiding, and the fever is gone.

Doctor told me I can only get tested at the hospital, and to only go there if I can't breathe at all. So I'm still not in the stats.

So it looks like I'll be ok, but just in case I don't make it, I want the opposite of giving everyone my stuff. Every farker has to walk by and drop in a favored possession into my crypt, which will then be sealed up like a dragon's hoard.

Drew has to toss in multiple items. Don't be cheap.

OK, serious question -
I have been reading that the symptoms (dry cough from hell, high fever) hit quickly. So yours ramped up?

Glad you made it through and are you're getting better.
But if you do croak, since you asked nicely I'll be sure to drop an extra special deuce in your crypt.

The symptom patterns can vary.  For some it's a ramp up, some have a sharp onset, then a respite of a day or so, then it comes back.  People have different immune systems and immune responses.

I had a weird thing last week where I had chills, my throat was sore, and then my temperature spiked to 103.8 for an afternoon before coming down. I felt crappy for the next few days, but eventually my temp went away and I felt better.

Seems like I had a mild case, but without a test, I'll never know what I had.

I work for a large multinational, and the building my office is in has people from China and India coming and going all the time. In Feb, I got very sick for 2 weeks. Not a flu I've ever had, or a cold. Extreme fatigue, chills, fever but no real respiratory distress. But, I was at like 20% of normal power for half a month. I have my suspicions, but like you said, I'll never know for sure.


A friend of mine who is a science writer for the American Society for Cell Biology went through the exact same symptoms starting at the end of January and into February (gave it to her husband too). She, along with staff she works with, had attended a science conference in DC with scientists from all over the world a month prior to getting sick.
 
2020-04-03 11:37:59 AM  

FlippityFlap: Mad_Radhu: bthom37: elvisaintdead: Algebrat: I'm symptomatic in NYC. Symptoms started 13 days ago, got really bad 9 days ago, and started slowly receding 4 days ago. I still get short of breath pacing around my room, my chest still aches, and I get sudden bouts of fatigue throughout the day. But the cough is subsiding, and the fever is gone.

Doctor told me I can only get tested at the hospital, and to only go there if I can't breathe at all. So I'm still not in the stats.

So it looks like I'll be ok, but just in case I don't make it, I want the opposite of giving everyone my stuff. Every farker has to walk by and drop in a favored possession into my crypt, which will then be sealed up like a dragon's hoard.

Drew has to toss in multiple items. Don't be cheap.

OK, serious question -
I have been reading that the symptoms (dry cough from hell, high fever) hit quickly. So yours ramped up?

Glad you made it through and are you're getting better.
But if you do croak, since you asked nicely I'll be sure to drop an extra special deuce in your crypt.

The symptom patterns can vary.  For some it's a ramp up, some have a sharp onset, then a respite of a day or so, then it comes back.  People have different immune systems and immune responses.

I had a weird thing last week where I had chills, my throat was sore, and then my temperature spiked to 103.8 for an afternoon before coming down. I felt crappy for the next few days, but eventually my temp went away and I felt better.

Seems like I had a mild case, but without a test, I'll never know what I had.

I work for a large multinational, and the building my office is in has people from China and India coming and going all the time. In Feb, I got very sick for 2 weeks. Not a flu I've ever had, or a cold. Extreme fatigue, chills, fever but no real respiratory distress. But, I was at like 20% of normal power for half a month. I have my suspicions, but like you said, I'll never know for sure.


There should be a test for antibodies at some point. I feel like it's possible I had it back in Feb, also, after a global work event. I had very little fever but a terrible cough (phlegm that tasted absolutely horrid), fatigue, chest tightness, and congestion. Lasted about two and a half weeks or so.
 
2020-04-03 11:49:33 AM  

Algebrat: I'm symptomatic in NYC. Symptoms started 13 days ago, got really bad 9 days ago, and started slowly receding 4 days ago. I still get short of breath pacing around my room, my chest still aches, and I get sudden bouts of fatigue throughout the day. But the cough is subsiding, and the fever is gone.

Doctor told me I can only get tested at the hospital, and to only go there if I can't breathe at all. So I'm still not in the stats.

So it looks like I'll be ok, but just in case I don't make it, I want the opposite of giving everyone my stuff. Every farker has to walk by and drop in a favored possession into my crypt, which will then be sealed up like a dragon's hoard.

Drew has to toss in multiple items. Don't be cheap.


It could also be one of 40 other viruses that are going around.
 
2020-04-03 12:02:51 PM  

Medic Zero: Kit Fister: lolmao500: Yeah but the economy! I mean... so what if 10-15% of people die because nobody can get medical help and hospitals are full, doctors and nurses become sick/overworked/die and dont come to work anymore?

I mean, 10-15% is only 34-50 million people! No big deal!

Well, you're not wrong, but there is literally no way for us to produce more doctors and nurses overnight, build entirely new hospitals, and flood the supply chain with products they desperately need. Unless you're a company that already had all the tooling and equipment in place to manufacture the needed stuff, it takes time to reconfigure a production line to start cranking out a completely different product, and that's assuming that all the raw materials and components are readily available.

No matter how much money you throw at the problem, the time it takes for manufacturers to start ramping up is still going to be non-zero, and more likely to be in the days, weeks, or even months range.

The problem with where we're at now, logically, is that many/most businesses in this economy are interlinked and dependent on continued operation to keep the money flowing. They're not Apple, where they have zero debt and a shiatload of cash in bank accounts.  The longer they're shuttered and unable to produce, the less economically viable they are and the more likely they are to end up going bankrupt/shutting down because of this.

That in turn will convert temporarily laid off/furloughed employees into unemployed people quickly, and the more jobs get lost during this, the less people are going to be able to find employment when it ends. That means a much much greater long term unemployment rate, which means a greater drain on the system and less money being spent overall in the economy, which means more businesses that survived the crisis are now facing economic failure because the market's not there for them anymore and allowing them to continue operations, which means more people lose jobs, and so on.

This is truly a no-win scenario. If businesses reopen and people go back to work before the danger has passed, we face a huge potential uptick in illnesses and death, and immediate issues that come with exposure.

If we play it safe and remain shuttered for long periods, the long-term economic impacts on the US will be extremely bad, and could lead to not just a recession here, but potentially a world-wide depression.  That will in turn feed deaths because of famine, lack of access to resources, loss of living space, and so on in a cascading event that will take years, if not decades to dig out from.

The US got lucky with the depression because, thanks to WWII, there was suddenly a booming war-time economy, and a huge market available due to reconstruction afterwards.  It cut down our recovery by decades.

Is there a solution? I don't know. But it's not as simple as "just stay shut down until we tell you it's safe", assuming that's not just delaying the inevitable (considering that those who have had the C-virus don't develop a true immunity to it, and can easily reinfect).

Kobayashi Maru.

The solution is to scrap the false scarcity economy.

We're overdue for a paradigm shift.


Part of the problem is that so many people are home using retail consumer products. Commercial supply chains are different than retail supply chains. Something as simple as labeling is a huge problem.

We are choking on "consumer protection" regulations.
 
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