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2020-03-30 5:30:19 PM  
Oh great.  I think I've seen this movie already.

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2020-03-30 5:41:37 PM  
We've already got one.  This one's just a cheap Chinese knock-off.
 
2020-03-30 5:53:25 PM  
At least they didn't bring any YARP.

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2020-03-30 9:42:06 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Oh great. I think I've seen this movie already.


Including the animals on abandoned city streets.
 
2020-03-30 11:07:05 PM  
VERT DE FERK??
 
2020-03-30 11:09:46 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: We've already got one.  This one's just a cheap Chinese knock-off.


No, SARS and Covid are authentically Chinese.
 
2020-03-30 11:10:23 PM  
"The Plague Wars"

Sounds very catchy, something the marketing people can get behind... As long as they keep the actual civilian deaths to a minimum I see 3, maybe 4 seasons easily.
 
2020-03-30 11:10:35 PM  
dat's raciss
 
2020-03-30 11:10:44 PM  
Little late, isn't it?

\Covid is an improved SARS
\\Traded some mortality for a much longer asymptomatic incubation period and higher transmissivity
 
2020-03-30 11:10:56 PM  
If only there had been someone, perhaps some kind of squad or unit, specifically tasked with assessing such risks and reporting on them to a larger agency, a disease control agency, if you will.
 
2020-03-30 11:11:05 PM  
Meanwhile, Winnie the Xi is directing a full-court-press propaganda campaign astroturfing up blame on the US for deliberately spreading the virus in China with military operatives.  And the Chinese public is buying it hook, line and sinker.


The Beijing State Must Fall.
 
2020-03-30 11:11:21 PM  
Its almost as if this old news is being revived right now to deflect blame and stoke conspiracy theories. As if.
 
2020-03-30 11:11:52 PM  
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2020-03-30 11:12:46 PM  

Ivo Shandor: BunkyBrewman: Oh great. I think I've seen this movie already.

Including the animals on abandoned city streets.


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That horse knew.
 
2020-03-30 11:13:02 PM  
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2020-03-30 11:13:42 PM  

Gyrfalcon: If only there had been someone, perhaps some kind of squad or unit, specifically tasked with assessing such risks and reporting on them to a larger agency, a disease control agency, if you will.


Stopping someone from smuggling a biological weapon into the US is in fact one of the FBI's jobs.
 
2020-03-30 11:17:45 PM  
I wonder how many more conspiracy theories you could find support for by sifting through past FBI reports.
 
2020-03-30 11:18:04 PM  
Meh. just vials of bad cold.
 
2020-03-30 11:19:10 PM  

Gyrfalcon: If only there had been someone, perhaps some kind of squad or unit, specifically tasked with assessing such risks and reporting on them to a larger agency, a disease control agency, if you will.


Team America Mega Police Force?
 
2020-03-30 11:19:36 PM  

Ivo Shandor: BunkyBrewman: Oh great. I think I've seen this movie already.

Including the animals on abandoned city streets.


There was a mountain lion spotted in town this morning.  Granted a live in a more rural community but they not common in my area.
 
2020-03-30 11:20:33 PM  
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2020-03-30 11:22:02 PM  

Stud Gerbil: dat's raciss


That attitude is getting a lot of people killed.

You'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony, so would i, but it just don't work that way.

This won't end well.
 
2020-03-30 11:22:05 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Ivo Shandor: BunkyBrewman: Oh great. I think I've seen this movie already.

Including the animals on abandoned city streets.

There was a mountain lion spotted in town this morning.  Granted a live in a more rural community but they not common in my area.


How to type with an accent.
 
2020-03-30 11:24:51 PM  
This was a year ago.
 
2020-03-30 11:28:40 PM  

This text is now purple: Gyrfalcon: If only there had been someone, perhaps some kind of squad or unit, specifically tasked with assessing such risks and reporting on them to a larger agency, a disease control agency, if you will.

Stopping someone from smuggling a biological weapon into the US is in fact one of the FBI's jobs.


I'm curious as to whether they contacted the destination to see if this was a legitimate transfer or not. If these had been headed to a federal virology lab so they could make vaccines, or if it was an attempted terrorists attack.
 
2020-03-30 11:32:55 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: here was a mountain lion spotted in town this morning.


What did you think was going to happen after the Tiger King went to jail?
 
2020-03-30 11:33:49 PM  
Jesus.  Like one wasn't enough?

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2020-03-30 11:34:44 PM  
In late November 2018...

And for some reason it's in the news today, while conservatives are in full deflection mode, howling about China's actions instead of the equally bad denials and downplaying from the people we can vote out of office.
 
2020-03-30 11:36:17 PM  

NotARocketScientist: This text is now purple: Gyrfalcon: If only there had been someone, perhaps some kind of squad or unit, specifically tasked with assessing such risks and reporting on them to a larger agency, a disease control agency, if you will.

Stopping someone from smuggling a biological weapon into the US is in fact one of the FBI's jobs.

I'm curious as to whether they contacted the destination to see if this was a legitimate transfer or not. If these had been headed to a federal virology lab so they could make vaccines, or if it was an attempted terrorists attack.


I'm going to go out on a limb and assume putting a couple of mislabeled vials of infectious material in a ziplock baggy and tossing them in a suitcase to be hurled around by rampies is not the proper way to ship that sort of thing regardless of the legitimacy of the possession.
 
2020-03-30 11:38:09 PM  

Ivo Shandor: BunkyBrewman: Oh great. I think I've seen this movie already.

Including the animals on abandoned city streets.


There are turkeys roaming the streets in Boston.
 
2020-03-30 11:38:15 PM  
I was afraid of something like this happening when Trump got elected. His incompetence and corruption would weaken us considerably and open up opportunities for other countries like China and Russia to make their move. I hope I'm grossly misinterpreting this.
 
2020-03-30 11:45:22 PM  
Biowarfare is one of the country/humanity's greatest risks. I think one of the good things that can happen this year is that it can harden us against future threats.

We'll have lots of data on what works and what the weaknesses were in our systems.
 
2020-03-30 11:45:44 PM  
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2020-03-30 11:45:54 PM  
Scientists routinely carry legally "dangerous" shiat around - otherwise under the current moronic regulations it would take a shiat ton of paperwork to get even the simplest things done, and paperwork takes time, specific expertise and money, which is quite the scarce resource in a lab.

Half of our prototyping scintillators come in a backpack to avoid dealing with brainless regulation, and these are basically inert pieces of crystal or plastic, which are no more harmful than stones. It makes sense to bother with the regulations only when we are done with the research and prototyping proceed to actually build a device that has hundreds or thousands of those.

I've also heard stories with a considerable ring of truthiness to them about somewhat dangerous stuff, like neutron sources and various small radioactive samples. These, if true, would be a lot like this case, while nominally "dangerous" items, when carried in a proper container and with care really aren't so dangerous.

Even if a "terrist" gets their dirty hands on one, the most likely outcome is the said "terrist" developing some heavy metal poisoning or a nasty cancer some years down the road, but the likelihood of that is really about negative zero, Tom Clancy's fiction notwithstanding.

Of course, since there are the rules, the authorities do routinely check for regulated stuff, and if someone gets caught, then well, too bad, they get fined, etc. But the risks are usually low, and blowing it out of proportion doesn't do anything to improve safety.

It seems that this Now, if that guy was carrying a weaponized virus in quantity it would be something else, but this doesn't seem to be the case.
 
2020-03-30 11:46:56 PM  

Ivo Shandor: BunkyBrewman: Oh great. I think I've seen this movie already.

Including the animals on abandoned city streets.


Occasionally we'll see deer here perhaps once a year or so but the other morning well before dawn when I went out for my run I saw four of them on the other side of the street in a neighbor's yard. Could have just been a coincidence and it might not have been, I've never seen four of them together like that here though.
 
2020-03-30 11:51:11 PM  
There's a lot to unpack in that report. We're going backwards though. Keep your enemies close and all that.
 
2020-03-30 11:56:40 PM  

jaytkay: howling about China's actions


Look, you can go to your grave howling about Orange Man Bad, but the rest of us have a vested interest in surviving both this and the best plague to come out of China in about ten years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2​%​80%932004_SARS_outbreak
Consider how farking lucky we got with SARS -- SARS was wiping out hospital staffs in three nations and killed the WHO investigator before China bother to notify anyone about it. Covid transmits better than this. It was mid-March before anyone else appreciate what was going on, for a disease that got started in November. Consider how many Covid will have killed by mid-April -- SARS was deadlier, case for case, than Covid and worked via the same mechanism. It was just noisier.

China started work on a vaccine, and then stopped. Not enough people had died.

Ten years later:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influen​z​a_A_virus_subtype_H7N9
A bird flu made the leap to humans. 30%-40% mortality. For the second time in a decade, it spread during Chinese New Year. China didn't announce until the end of March. This one was stopped because most cases were limited to transfer from poultry -- one strain showed itself capable of transmitting human to human, but was not efficient at it.

Six years later:
Covid 19. Once again, China sat on its hands until the Lunar New Year. This time, it hit the sweetspot in terms of ease of spreading, and it was out before anyone noticed. Hundreds of thousands are going to die.

Three strikes and you're out.
 
2020-03-31 12:05:05 AM  
Why hasn't Trump gotten the virus? A lot of the GOP leadership around him have. Why not him and Pence.
 
2020-03-31 12:12:33 AM  
Sounds like dog wagging...the name of the criminal was even withheld: how convenient...even their conspiracy stories make those in charge now seem incompetent: it 'happened before,' but we got fooled again

If this really took place, don't people think there might be a huge lockdown on specimens from China?  Just inept folks here playing the blame game

Countries cut down on attempting to use viruses as warfare because they were found to be ineffective.  Also, the covid-19 virus is not man-made, according to numerous virologists.
 
2020-03-31 12:16:08 AM  

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Awesome, I was hoping I wasn't the only one who got that earworm from the headline.
 
2020-03-31 12:22:01 AM  

This text is now purple: jaytkay: howling about China's actions

Look, you can go to your grave howling about Orange Man Bad, but the rest of us have a vested interest in surviving both this and the best plague to come out of China in about ten years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%​80%932004_SARS_outbreak
Consider how farking lucky we got with SARS -- SARS was wiping out hospital staffs in three nations and killed the WHO investigator before China bother to notify anyone about it. Covid transmits better than this. It was mid-March before anyone else appreciate what was going on, for a disease that got started in November. Consider how many Covid will have killed by mid-April -- SARS was deadlier, case for case, than Covid and worked via the same mechanism. It was just noisier.

China started work on a vaccine, and then stopped. Not enough people had died.

Ten years later:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenz​a_A_virus_subtype_H7N9
A bird flu made the leap to humans. 30%-40% mortality. For the second time in a decade, it spread during Chinese New Year. China didn't announce until the end of March. This one was stopped because most cases were limited to transfer from poultry -- one strain showed itself capable of transmitting human to human, but was not efficient at it.

Six years later:
Covid 19. Once again, China sat on its hands until the Lunar New Year. This time, it hit the sweetspot in terms of ease of spreading, and it was out before anyone noticed. Hundreds of thousands are going to die.

Three strikes and you're out.


Y'aint wrong and I hate it.

fark the CCP. Time for their citizens to step up and stop their oppressors.
 
2020-03-31 12:22:10 AM  

jaytkay: In late November 2018...

And for some reason it's in the news today, while conservatives are in full deflection mode, howling about China's actions instead of the equally bad denials and downplaying from the people we can vote out of office.


Dumbass.
 
2020-03-31 12:22:58 AM  

NotARocketScientist: This text is now purple: Gyrfalcon: If only there had been someone, perhaps some kind of squad or unit, specifically tasked with assessing such risks and reporting on them to a larger agency, a disease control agency, if you will.

Stopping someone from smuggling a biological weapon into the US is in fact one of the FBI's jobs.

I'm curious as to whether they contacted the destination to see if this was a legitimate transfer or not. If these had been headed to a federal virology lab so they could make vaccines, or if it was an attempted terrorists attack.


Coming openly through a security checkpoint with labeled vials of viruses isnt the IDEAL way to commit terrorism, but who knows how Chinese biowarfare specialists think...
 
2020-03-31 1:02:56 AM  

likwidflame: This text is now purple: jaytkay: howling about China's actions

Look, you can go to your grave howling about Orange Man Bad, but the rest of us have a vested interest in surviving both this and the best plague to come out of China in about ten years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%​80%932004_SARS_outbreak
Consider how farking lucky we got with SARS -- SARS was wiping out hospital staffs in three nations and killed the WHO investigator before China bother to notify anyone about it. Covid transmits better than this. It was mid-March before anyone else appreciate what was going on, for a disease that got started in November. Consider how many Covid will have killed by mid-April -- SARS was deadlier, case for case, than Covid and worked via the same mechanism. It was just noisier.

China started work on a vaccine, and then stopped. Not enough people had died.

Ten years later:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenz​a_A_virus_subtype_H7N9
A bird flu made the leap to humans. 30%-40% mortality. For the second time in a decade, it spread during Chinese New Year. China didn't announce until the end of March. This one was stopped because most cases were limited to transfer from poultry -- one strain showed itself capable of transmitting human to human, but was not efficient at it.

Six years later:
Covid 19. Once again, China sat on its hands until the Lunar New Year. This time, it hit the sweetspot in terms of ease of spreading, and it was out before anyone noticed. Hundreds of thousands are going to die.

Three strikes and you're out.

Y'aint wrong and I hate it.

fark the CCP. Time for their citizens to step up and stop their oppressors.


And how precisely do you expect them to do that?  They've been forcibly and relentlessly disarmed for decades.  They can barely even possess bows and arrows there.  On top of that, they live in the most brutally invasive surveilance and social-engineering panopticons ever.  The vast majority of the populace has, over the last 8 years or so since Xi seized power, been steadily whipped into an ethno-nationalistic frenzy where Chinese = Han (a lie thousands of years old, by the way), Han = Good, and Not Han = Bad.  They don't have a lot of desire to rise up because they've been brainwashed on an unprecedented scale.  And if they somehow got a wild hair up their ass to do so, they can't so much as fart without a hit to their social credit score, and you can't forment a resistance movement under that level of scrutiny.

The Beijing State is absolutely an existential threat to the rest of the planet for a whole slew of reasons, even before this plague they unleashed on the rest of us through their own corrupt and inept stupidity.  And so, yes, The Beijing State Must Fall, but it's going to take an outside force to do it.

The fastest way?  The US forcibly decoupling from them economically.  Stop offshoring.  Pull IP and manufacturing back.  Deny Chinese firms the ability to buy companies and real estate in the US (they are ALL partially state owned and answer to the Central Party.  There are no innocent or private Chinese companies).  Invalidate US debt held by the Beijing State as compensation for the cost of responding to this pandemic.

None of that would require firing a shot, or even calling them names... and it would fold them in a year.
 
2020-03-31 1:23:45 AM  

This text is now purple: Look, you can go to your grave howling about Orange Man Bad, but the rest of us have a vested interest in surviving both this and the best plague to come out of China in about ten years


Those Chinese sure are are gonna be sorry they ignited the fury that is you stamping your little feet and typing anonymous tough guy comments on the internet.That next virus can't touch us with warriors like you protecting us.
 
2020-03-31 1:25:34 AM  

HeWhoHasNoName: Invalidate US debt held by the Beijing State as compensation for the cost of responding to this pandemic.


I'm not going to tell you that I'm an economics guy though while I will agree with you on some aspects of what you've said, geopolitically that would be an extremely bad idea because it then puts the possibility of us doing that in the future to somebody else on the table. China did this and China did that, I get it, but I still think that'd be a disastrous idea.
 
2020-03-31 1:31:19 AM  

WoodyHayes: HeWhoHasNoName: Invalidate US debt held by the Beijing State as compensation for the cost of responding to this pandemic.

I'm not going to tell you that I'm an economics guy though while I will agree with you on some aspects of what you've said, geopolitically that would be an extremely bad idea because it then puts the possibility of us doing that in the future to somebody else on the table. China did this and China did that, I get it, but I still think that'd be a disastrous idea.


I'm not gonna lie, we'd have to do some serious diplomatic work to reassure other global creditors.  But the Beijing State is a mortal threat to us and everyone else, and with the past few decades of their economic warfare and IP theft bearing fruit, their massive push to essentially control major data networks and backbones with 5G dominance, their gray zone warfare pressure in the South China Sea and SE Asia, their financial colonialism in Africa and exploitation of the major natural resources there, and the Belt & Road initiative, we're at the precipice of them crossing the point where there may not be any stopping them without millions of lives lost and years of very ugly world war.  The problem is that not stopping them will be nightmarishly worse.

I'd totally prefer a creditor confidence issue to the war route.  But the Beijing State absolutely must be stopped.
 
2020-03-31 1:37:04 AM  

HeWhoHasNoName: The fastest way? The US forcibly decoupling from them economically. Stop offshoring. Pull IP and manufacturing back. Deny Chinese firms the ability to buy companies and real estate in the US (they are ALL partially state owned and answer to the Central Party. There are no innocent or private Chinese companies). Invalidate US debt held by the Beijing State as compensation for the cost of responding to this pandemic.

None of that would require firing a shot, or even calling them names... and it would fold them in a year.


Hilarious that people type crap like this, thinking it's a one-sided situation where we can take extreme measures like tha tand life would hum along like normal at home.
Half the crap or more of what you own is made in China. We can't "decouple" from them economically any more than we can decouple from the weather. There is a world economy and opting out of it is a recipe for a New Dark Ages.
 
2020-03-31 1:54:33 AM  

Kick The Chair: Why hasn't Trump gotten the virus? A lot of the GOP leadership around him have. Why not him and Pence.


The virus hasn't made the jump from human to shiatgibbon.
 
2020-03-31 2:12:48 AM  
I bet the Russians did this.
 
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