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2020-03-30 9:00:20 AM  
Who didn't see that one coming?
 
2020-03-30 1:28:12 PM  
The term is "fail-deadly."


Not quite what it originally meant, but it'll do.
 
2020-03-30 1:28:19 PM  
What, government can't keep us completely safe from ourselves?! Next thing you know you're tell me that the government can't provide a universal basic income that won't cost $3 trillion a year ($36 trillion a year after special interests get their cut).
 
2020-03-30 1:31:34 PM  
This is exactly how the Great Chinese Famine occurred back in 1959.  No one wanted to report bad news, so every local bureaucrat reported stellar harvests so the central planners shifted from grain production to non food production.

After they discovered the lack of grain,  stable genius Mao came up with the idea to kill all the starlings to stop them from eating grain in the field, this allowed the population of insect to explode, destroying even more crops.
 
2020-03-30 1:34:24 PM  
There's been lot of media coverage trying to blame this on the Chinese.  We've had over a farking month to lock this nation down. . .and we STILL haven't


So  there's  going to be a million dead and we're looking for scapegoats.  Sums up American decline nicely.
 
2020-03-30 1:37:23 PM  
Your fail-safe failed to keep us safe.


I don't think you understand what fail-safe means.
 
2020-03-30 1:37:50 PM  
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2020-03-30 1:40:34 PM  
Pointing fingers at China makes me feel good.
 
2020-03-30 1:41:45 PM  
After doctors in Wuhan began treating clusters of patients stricken with a mysterious pneumonia in December, the reporting was supposed to have been automatic. Instead, hospitals deferred to local health officials who, over a political aversion to sharing bad news, withheld information about cases from the national reporting system - keeping Beijing in the dark and delaying the response.

The central health authorities first learned about the outbreak not from the reporting system but after unknown whistle-blowers leaked two internal documents online.
Even after Beijing got involved, local officials set narrow criteria for confirming cases, leaving out information that could have provided clues that the virus was spreading among humans.
Hospitals were ordered to count only patients with a known connection to the source of the outbreak, the seafood market. Doctors also had to have their cases confirmed by bureaucrats before they were reported to higher-ups.


Just remember, this is a country who our dear wannabe dick-tater looks up to.
 
2020-03-30 1:47:28 PM  
Headline writer (and subby) have no idea what "fail-safe" means. the article (correctly) does not use the term to describe anything in the situation.

A fail-safe (noun) is a mechanism to handle a failure in such a way as to minimize damage. Example: Shutting off a car engine when your oil pressure drops to zero; Your engines dies but does not destroy itself.

Perhaps "infallible" is the word you were looking for.
 
2020-03-30 1:47:33 PM  
Yeah, while the world is all wrapped around the axle with this virus, they may still be peeing in our cokes.
 
2020-03-30 1:50:09 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: The term is "fail-deadly."


Not quite what it originally meant, but it'll do.


"Near Miss" is finally correct.
 
2020-03-30 1:50:57 PM  

DarnoKonrad: There's been lot of media coverage trying to blame this on the Chinese.  We've had over a farking month to lock this nation down. . .and we STILL haven't


So  there's  going to be a million dead and we're looking for scapegoats.  Sums up American decline nicely.


There shouldn't be a scapegoat. We should take the idea from DevOps of a blameless post-mortem.

There are two key words here: blameless and post.  You don't blame anyone and you do it after things have recovered.

So if we find out that this came from a wet market in a given country, there should be a proscription of what kind of practices can be put in place to prevent that. That could be licensing, inspection, and ability to fine and close offenders.  This that the host country buy in and agree. Human nature, of course, is to affix blame but we must fight that to introduce best practices without engendering conflict and animosity.

The other part of that is there is a stick: WHO and WTO need to be able to put restrictions on trade based on compliance.
 
2020-03-30 1:53:36 PM  
The real problem was the timing; right before Chinese New Years when literally every Chinese in the World either heads home or takes a vacation somewhere.  It would have taken a damn brave Chinese politician to say, "Stop Everything and don't go home for New Years!" ... he'd have prevented the spread, but would have personally ended up dead for spoiling the economy. Chinese New Years is like American Christmas in that it's when stores, restaurants, and every type of entertainment venue makes it's profit for the year. It would have started huge protests against the government... Imagine if Trump tried to make everyone in the U.S. stay home for Christmas... with less than two weeks warning.  Washington D.C. would be a smoking ruin, and Beijing would have suffered the same fate.

I flew through JFK airport on 4 February just after Trump had stopped Travel from China. Advertisements aimed at Chinese tourists were everywhere. The shops were all grumbling about the loss of business.

But it was already too late by then. China had let their travelers go wherever in the world they wanted, and they took the virus with them.
 
2020-03-30 1:54:59 PM  
Yes,placing a system that depends upon straightforward, honest reporting in a culture that values saving face and appearances above all else, and punishes those who don't comply was destined to fail.
 
2020-03-30 1:57:50 PM  

DarnoKonrad: There's been lot of media coverage trying to blame this on the Chinese.  We've had over a farking month to lock this nation down. . .and we STILL haven't


So  there's  going to be a million dead and we're looking for scapegoats.  Sums up American decline nicely.


We have a chance to deal with the people in charge of the American response in November. I suppose if we keep Trump another 4 years, it's on us.

The reliance on the Chinese Communists is a systemic issue. A bunch of people on Madison Avenue convinced Americans that rising deaths of despair in the country's interior were okay so long as the rest of the country could jet set wherever it wanted and buy cheap plastic shiat to impress the other members of the clan. To enable this they shipped factories not just out of places like Ohio and Michigan, but to a totalitarian country that could be counted on to execute people who screwed up products and who rabble-roused for things like "safe work conditions", "fair pay" and "human rights", and do so on the cheap. In shipping industrial capacity there, they gave quite a bit of influence to that school of governance. They thought that we'd be influencing them to open up politically and to improve sanitation. COVID-19 has proven the opposite to be true.

In a way, Trump and his cronies are creatures of that system.
 
2020-03-30 2:01:24 PM  
So ... like our country's approach, only a couple months sooner. Neato.
 
2020-03-30 2:02:48 PM  
"I regret that back then I didn't keep screaming out at the top of my voice," Ai Fen, one of the doctors at Wuhan Central Hospital who spotted cases in December, said in an interview with a Chinese magazine. "I've often thought to myself what would have happened if I could wind back time."

By the way, Ai Fen's courage has resulted in her winning an all-expense paid trip to party with Whitman, Price, and Haddad.
https://twitter.com/60Mins/status/124​4​211674439016449
 
2020-03-30 2:03:15 PM  

DarnoKonrad: There's been lot of media coverage trying to blame this on the Chinese.


This is because it was developed in and escaped from China, after they completely mismanaged it. Again.

Don't worry, the world will get another chance to do better in nine years, when it's scheduled to happen again.
 
2020-03-30 2:04:10 PM  

RyansPrivates: So if we find out that this came from a wet market in a given country, there should be a proscription of what kind of practices can be put in place to prevent that.


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2020-03-30 2:09:10 PM  

Begoggle: Pointing fingers at China makes me feel good.


There's a difference between pointing fingers and learning a lesson about how a system that was supposed to work to prevent this catastrophe failed, with the hope that lesson would be used going forward.

For example from your comment we learned the lesson that your public education horribly failed you.  Try to make sure your kids go to a better school than you did.
 
2020-03-30 2:09:34 PM  

Hachitori: I flew through JFK airport on 4 February just after Trump had stopped Travel from China. Advertisements aimed at Chinese tourists were everywhere. The shops were all grumbling about the loss of business.


Much like XI, Trump will tout the excellent success of the system once the peak has passed.  They both failed in policy, preparedness, and response-time.  Reacting instead of being proactive.  But it gave them both a free hand to lock things down, purge dissent, and grab more power.

It's almost like you have to delay a bit, to ensure you get enough death and panic to avoid resistance.  But I can see how it helps XI with Hong Kong, while I cannot see how it helps Trump with November.
 
2020-03-30 2:10:32 PM  

RyansPrivates: DarnoKonrad: There's been lot of media coverage trying to blame this on the Chinese.  We've had over a farking month to lock this nation down. . .and we STILL haven't


So  there's  going to be a million dead and we're looking for scapegoats.  Sums up American decline nicely.

There shouldn't be a scapegoat. We should take the idea from DevOps of a blameless post-mortem.

There are two key words here: blameless and post.  You don't blame anyone and you do it after things have recovered.

So if we find out that this came from a wet market in a given country, there should be a proscription of what kind of practices can be put in place to prevent that. That could be licensing, inspection, and ability to fine and close offenders.  This that the host country buy in and agree. Human nature, of course, is to affix blame but we must fight that to introduce best practices without engendering conflict and animosity.

The other part of that is there is a stick: WHO and WTO need to be able to put restrictions on trade based on compliance.


A key part of the retro is to identify what the hell we did wrong and make changes so that can't be repeated. When people can't even admit to the wrong-doing, though, you can't retro shiat, and you'll repeat it. And that's what is happening now; nobody admitting they farked up anywhere, even though it is clear as day.

/Trust and having the safety to fail and admit failure are key components, as soon as you don't have that, you can't get anything done
//Aviation HAD been the front runners for doing this right. Thanks for farking all that up, Boeing
 
2020-03-30 2:17:38 PM  

ByOwlLight: RyansPrivates: DarnoKonrad: There's been lot of media coverage trying to blame this on the Chinese.  We've had over a farking month to lock this nation down. . .and we STILL haven't


So  there's  going to be a million dead and we're looking for scapegoats.  Sums up American decline nicely.

There shouldn't be a scapegoat. We should take the idea from DevOps of a blameless post-mortem.

There are two key words here: blameless and post.  You don't blame anyone and you do it after things have recovered.

So if we find out that this came from a wet market in a given country, there should be a proscription of what kind of practices can be put in place to prevent that. That could be licensing, inspection, and ability to fine and close offenders.  This that the host country buy in and agree. Human nature, of course, is to affix blame but we must fight that to introduce best practices without engendering conflict and animosity.

The other part of that is there is a stick: WHO and WTO need to be able to put restrictions on trade based on compliance.

A key part of the retro is to identify what the hell we did wrong and make changes so that can't be repeated. When people can't even admit to the wrong-doing, though, you can't retro shiat, and you'll repeat it. And that's what is happening now; nobody admitting they farked up anywhere, even though it is clear as day.

/Trust and having the safety to fail and admit failure are key components, as soon as you don't have that, you can't get anything done
//Aviation HAD been the front runners for doing this right. Thanks for farking all that up, Boeing


Yeah, I was operating under that assumption that people/countries are willing to do that. The professionals (epidemiologists and the like) will.  The politicians? Probably not so much.
 
2020-03-30 2:21:53 PM  
As the United States, Europe and the rest of the world struggle to contain the coronavirus pandemic, China has cast itself as a model, bringing down a raging outbreak to the point where the country has begun to lift the kinds of onerous restrictions on life that are now imposed around the world.

TFA had just gotten done describing, in the paragraphs above, that the authorities up to and including Beijing had manipulated, ignored, and hidden critical data. And now the world supposed to swallow the Chinese claim that it's under control? Sorry, but you've squandered whatever trust you're entitled to. Short of confirmation by independent outside observers (and I don't include the WHO in that, since they allowed themselves to be bullied and intimidate in the early going), free of interference, nothing you say is going to be, nor should be, believed.
 
2020-03-30 2:22:35 PM  
In the US, we don't have any system in place right now.  Just guidelines on how to self report.

I just got off a call with one of the major insurer for one of the hard hid states.  They were showing their tracking dashboard for their COVID cases, using lab and ADT data.  Their state health department has grabbed on to that and is augmenting it with real time bed and ventilator capacity information, and might start routing data from other insurers into it.

It was actually pretty cool & informative, and being done by very capable people, and the discussion was all about how it could be rolled out broader to help other states.  Also you could see how lucky we are that the flu season is winding down just as COVID is ramping up... it's freeing up thousands of beds.

But the point is... the insurer had to build the capability, the state didn't have it, and the Feds certainly don't because they are just relying on the state #s.  Our response is all being coordinated from the bottom up.
 
2020-03-30 2:28:47 PM  

DarnoKonrad: There's been lot of media coverage trying to blame this on the Chinese.  We've had over a farking month to lock this nation down. . .and we STILL haven't


So  there's  going to be a million dead and we're looking for scapegoats.  Sums up American decline


1 million dead?  Max 100,000 (in the US).

https://www.econlib.org/my-bet-on-cov​i​d-19-and-why-i-might-lose/
 
2020-03-30 2:29:11 PM  

aungen: Hachitori: I flew through JFK airport on 4 February just after Trump had stopped Travel from China. Advertisements aimed at Chinese tourists were everywhere. The shops were all grumbling about the loss of business.

Much like XI, Trump will tout the excellent success of the system once the peak has passed.  They both failed in policy, preparedness, and response-time.  Reacting instead of being proactive.  But it gave them both a free hand to lock things down, purge dissent, and grab more power.

It's almost like you have to delay a bit, to ensure you get enough death and panic to avoid resistance.  But I can see how it helps XI with Hong Kong, while I cannot see how it helps Trump with November.


He's tracking upwards in the polls.

/no, I don't understand it either; he and his voters still fill me with contempt
 
2020-03-30 2:33:20 PM  

Keethera: DarnoKonrad: There's been lot of media coverage trying to blame this on the Chinese.  We've had over a farking month to lock this nation down. . .and we STILL haven't


So  there's  going to be a million dead and we're looking for scapegoats.  Sums up American decline

1 million dead?  Max 100,000 (in the US).

https://www.econlib.org/my-bet-on-covi​d-19-and-why-i-might-lose/


Optimistic.  I was buying it until the "0.5%" mortality.  I think we're seeing double that, at a minimum.
 
2020-03-30 2:33:44 PM  
Don't nobody bring me no bad news.


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2020-03-30 2:35:19 PM  

DarnoKonrad: There's been lot of media coverage trying to blame this on the Chinese.  We've had over a farking month to lock this nation down. . .and we STILL haven't


So  there's  going to be a million dead and we're looking for scapegoats.  Sums up American decline nicely.


Came here to say that what happened in China and how it happened is bad.
But if we are calling that a Fail then what about what this administration did?
What about the even spectacularly worse BoJo's freakin "Herd Immunity"?!
 
2020-03-30 2:46:25 PM  
Tell China that eating an organism, any organism, will make their peckers harder and it will be an endangered species in under a week.  So good luck with trying shut down their critter farms.
 
2020-03-30 2:46:51 PM  
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2020-03-30 2:47:36 PM  

PunGent: Keethera: DarnoKonrad: There's been lot of media coverage trying to blame this on the Chinese.  We've had over a farking month to lock this nation down. . .and we STILL haven't


So  there's  going to be a million dead and we're looking for scapegoats.  Sums up American decline

1 million dead?  Max 100,000 (in the US).

https://www.econlib.org/my-bet-on-covi​d-19-and-why-i-might-lose/

Optimistic.  I was buying it until the "0.5%" mortality.  I think we're seeing double that, at a minimum.


The 50% asymptomatic rate that Iceland is reporting is what makes me think we'll see about 80,000 deaths in the US by Dec 31.  Now.... Covid-19 might never go away - if there isn't immunity after infection - god knows how many millions it will kill in the coming decades.

https://www.zmescience.com/medicine/i​c​eland-testing-covid-19-0523/
 
2020-03-30 2:56:17 PM  
However, China's Fail Safe System Plan B is working now that Incinerators Have Been Working Around the Clock.
 
2020-03-30 3:37:07 PM  

Shazam999: Resident Muslim: DarnoKonrad: There's been lot of media coverage trying to blame this on the Chinese.  We've had over a farking month to lock this nation down. . .and we STILL haven't


So  there's  going to be a million dead and we're looking for scapegoats.  Sums up American decline nicely.

Came here to say that what happened in China and how it happened is bad.
But if we are calling that a Fail then what about what this administration did?
What about the even spectacularly worse BoJo's freakin "Herd Immunity"?!

If serology tests indicate that, say 30% of those tested have antibodies, then what?


I'm sure all those that died for lack of ventilators, personal protection equipment getting infected by the spread in the first place would be ecstatic.

/I'm arguing deaths and suffering, not scientific concepts
//wouldn't be surprised if BoJo's claim of having caught the virus is just an act so people don't nail him to the wall
 
2020-03-30 3:52:41 PM  

Shazam999: aungen: Hachitori: I flew through JFK airport on 4 February just after Trump had stopped Travel from China. Advertisements aimed at Chinese tourists were everywhere. The shops were all grumbling about the loss of business.

Much like XI, Trump will tout the excellent success of the system once the peak has passed.  They both failed in policy, preparedness, and response-time.  Reacting instead of being proactive.  But it gave them both a free hand to lock things down, purge dissent, and grab more power.

It's almost like you have to delay a bit, to ensure you get enough death and panic to avoid resistance.  But I can see how it helps XI with Hong Kong, while I cannot see how it helps Trump with November.

According to the NYT, China is feeling really bad about the whole thing and is trying make amends.

You can find the article.


You can't make amends when you out-do crises like Bhopal and Chernobyl.
 
2020-03-30 3:58:31 PM  

Marine1: You can't make amends when you out-do crises like Bhopal and Chernobyl.


I wouldn't mind seeing all that debt and trade imbalance turn into a 'we will now deduct that from what you owe the world.'
 
2020-03-30 4:15:18 PM  
Meddleproof chinese infection detection channel got meddled with... and is still getting meddled with.
 
2020-03-30 4:22:52 PM  
System doesn't work when people deliberately prevent the system is working.

This happens, well, ALL THE FARKING TIME.
 
2020-03-30 4:27:40 PM  

FriarReb98: After doctors in Wuhan began treating clusters of patients stricken with a mysterious pneumonia in December, the reporting was supposed to have been automatic. Instead, hospitals deferred to local health officials who, over a political aversion to sharing bad news, withheld information about cases from the national reporting system - keeping Beijing in the dark and delaying the response.

The central health authorities first learned about the outbreak not from the reporting system but after unknown whistle-blowers leaked two internal documents online.
Even after Beijing got involved, local officials set narrow criteria for confirming cases, leaving out information that could have provided clues that the virus was spreading among humans.
Hospitals were ordered to count only patients with a known connection to the source of the outbreak, the seafood market. Doctors also had to have their cases confirmed by bureaucrats before they were reported to higher-ups.

Just remember, this is a country who our dear wannabe dick-tater looks up to.



Uh, tell us again what planet you are from?

Trump ratchets up criticism of China over Coronavirus

10 times Trump attacked China and its trade relations with the US

Trump signs Hong Kong human rights act as China blasts 'plainly bullying behavior'
 
2020-03-30 5:18:22 PM  

Shazam999: Resident Muslim: I'm sure all those that died for lack of ventilators, personal protection equipment getting infected by the spread in the first place would be ecstatic.

/I'm arguing deaths and suffering, not scientific concepts
//wouldn't be surprised if BoJo's claim of having caught the virus is just an act so people don't nail him to the wall

You asked about herd immunity, I answered.  What, pray tell, should the policymakers do going forward?


Going forward?  Definitely some things that can be done.

First, collect hospital capacity data.  Second, use that to predict when an area is going to run out of beds.  Third, work with insurers and hospitals to clear beds of non-essential cases to extend that date.  Fourth, stand up temporary ICU capacity to fill the remaining gap.  Fifth, work with industry to get ventilators, masks, and test kits.

And sixth... social distancing is proving insufficient.  Start preparing the public for the beds to run out, and when that happens, for the deaths to go up.  It's going to happen, people need to be emotionally prepared.
 
2020-03-30 5:24:58 PM  

DarnoKonrad: There's been lot of media coverage trying to blame this on the Chinese.  We've had over a farking month to lock this nation down. . .and we STILL haven't


So  there's  going to be a million dead and we're looking for scapegoats.  Sums up American decline nicely.


Failure has a cultural form.  In China, the obstacle is loss of face, so you have government bureaucrats lying up and down the chain of command trying to make sure they don't look bad to their supervisors or underlings.  Thus, the government is paralyzed by lack of objective data to make decisions upon.

In America, the obstacle is reckless individualism, meaning people aren't going to respect orders to curtail their actvities for the common good when they don't personally see any harm being done by them.  Thus, the government is paralyzed by its own mandate to maintain personal liberty.
 
2020-03-30 6:22:04 PM  

Mouser: DarnoKonrad: There's been lot of media coverage trying to blame this on the Chinese.  We've had over a farking month to lock this nation down. . .and we STILL haven't


So  there's  going to be a million dead and we're looking for scapegoats.  Sums up American decline nicely.

Failure has a cultural form.  In China, the obstacle is loss of face, so you have government bureaucrats lying up and down the chain of command trying to make sure they don't look bad to their supervisors or underlings.  Thus, the government is paralyzed by lack of objective data to make decisions upon.

In America, the obstacle is reckless individualism, meaning people aren't going to respect orders to curtail their actvities for the common good when they don't personally see any harm being done by them.  Thus, the government is paralyzed by its own mandate to maintain personal liberty.


Pretty good analysis.  The places where bureaucrats aren't afraid and the community > individual should be doing better.  I can think of one example where it seems to be true: Iceland.  There are other factors that assist them (isolation, homogeny) so that's tough.

Denmark seems to be on the cusp of coming out of this, so they could be a another good point of comparison
Germany would probably be a closer analog and their death rate is much lower.  Part of this is due to widespread testing for sure.  (They have a high number of cases, but lower CFR because of this). Part of it could be cultural.South Korea and Singapore are interesting examples here too.
 
2020-03-30 8:19:12 PM  

RyansPrivates: Mouser: DarnoKonrad: There's been lot of media coverage trying to blame this on the Chinese.  We've had over a farking month to lock this nation down. . .and we STILL haven't


So  there's  going to be a million dead and we're looking for scapegoats.  Sums up American decline nicely.

Failure has a cultural form.  In China, the obstacle is loss of face, so you have government bureaucrats lying up and down the chain of command trying to make sure they don't look bad to their supervisors or underlings.  Thus, the government is paralyzed by lack of objective data to make decisions upon.

In America, the obstacle is reckless individualism, meaning people aren't going to respect orders to curtail their actvities for the common good when they don't personally see any harm being done by them.  Thus, the government is paralyzed by its own mandate to maintain personal liberty.

Pretty good analysis.  The places where bureaucrats aren't afraid and the community > individual should be doing better.  I can think of one example where it seems to be true: Iceland.  There are other factors that assist them (isolation, homogeny) so that's tough.

Denmark seems to be on the cusp of coming out of this, so they could be a another good point of comparison
Germany would probably be a closer analog and their death rate is much lower.  Part of this is due to widespread testing for sure.  (They have a high number of cases, but lower CFR because of this). Part of it could be cultural.South Korea and Singapore are interesting examples here too.


Our zip code reduced travel by over 50% in a matter of 3 days when word came down.  We're taking it very seriously.  Then again, we're mostly engineering and science, here.  All remaining traffic is for the 2 pharma factories and 2 hospitals.  So to some extent, a lack of job diversity is helping significantly.

I do wish word had come down a week earlier.
 
2020-03-30 10:52:46 PM  

Shazam999: SomeAmerican: Shazam999: Resident Muslim: I'm sure all those that died for lack of ventilators, personal protection equipment getting infected by the spread in the first place would be ecstatic.

/I'm arguing deaths and suffering, not scientific concepts
//wouldn't be surprised if BoJo's claim of having caught the virus is just an act so people don't nail him to the wall

You asked about herd immunity, I answered.  What, pray tell, should the policymakers do going forward?

Going forward?  Definitely some things that can be done.

First, collect hospital capacity data.  Second, use that to predict when an area is going to run out of beds.  Third, work with insurers and hospitals to clear beds of non-essential cases to extend that date.  Fourth, stand up temporary ICU capacity to fill the remaining gap.  Fifth, work with industry to get ventilators, masks, and test kits.

And sixth... social distancing is proving insufficient.  Start preparing the public for the beds to run out, and when that happens, for the deaths to go up.  It's going to happen, people need to be emotionally prepared.

Everything in your first paragraph is already happening.  Welcome to last week.

Your death rate is already going down.  Probably because large swaths of your population is already immune.


Already happening... in some states.  Death rate is going down... in some states.  We have a lot more states.
 
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