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(Greenville Online)   Medical company furloughs workers because they A) Have no more masks to see patients? B) Ran out of hand sanitizer? or C) Have lost profits?   (greenvilleonline.com) divider line
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2020-03-29 10:37:39 AM  
god forbid they take a small loss for one year.
 
2020-03-29 10:51:20 AM  
Kick the CEO to the curb and make them function at full capacity. This is a national (and worldwide) emergency. To scale down staff at a medical facility in a situation like this is criminal.
 
2020-03-29 10:59:23 AM  
Oh, calm down.  Not every layoff is to make sure stockholders and execs get paid.

These events...have dramatically affected our income needed to operate the organization,

And the people getting furloughed are not the front line, essential staff:

the number of elective cases across the system "has decreased by 77% during the last two weeks, while our physician office appointments have decreased by 40%." and the furlough mostly affects non-patient care positions, it also includes some clinical areas that have seen a significant decline in volume.

I'm not a big fan of corporate health care either, but that's the system we got. And not every company can afford to pay people they have sitting around not working at a time when revenues are down and costs are up.
 
2020-03-29 11:03:26 AM  

TomFooolery: Oh, calm down.  Not every layoff is to make sure stockholders and execs get paid.

These events...have dramatically affected our income needed to operate the organization,

And the people getting furloughed are not the front line, essential staff:

the number of elective cases across the system "has decreased by 77% during the last two weeks, while our physician office appointments have decreased by 40%." and the furlough mostly affects non-patient care positions, it also includes some clinical areas that have seen a significant decline in volume.

I'm not a big fan of corporate health care either, but that's the system we got. And not every company can afford to pay people they have sitting around not working at a time when revenues are down and costs are up.


My hospital system which is roughly the same size, just sent a letter guaranteeing all current positions full pay through the end of April. (knock on wood this doesn't jinx me)
 
2020-03-29 11:16:02 AM  

GardenWeasel: My hospital system which is roughly the same size, just sent a letter guaranteeing all current positions full pay through the end of April. (knock on wood this doesn't jinx me)


That's great, and i'm absolutely not suggesting that's not the way it ought to be. But there are variables here we don't know about - maybe your employer has larger cash reserves, larger stockpile of supplies, fewer offices for elective procedures, or a better revenue stream. Hell, maybe they're just able to charge more.  But if the plastic surgeon's staff, or the receptionist at the main administrative office, or even some of the support staff at a GPs office that's seen a 40% traffic reduction....if some of those folks get furloughed, it's not unreasonable.  If....if laying off some less than necessary staff enables you to keep operating or reduces the possibility that you have to shut down, then it's a reasonable business decision to take.  Of course, if we had single payer...
 
2020-03-29 11:19:18 AM  
We use the Free Market to ration health care. Why would anyone be surprised when decisions are made based purely on economics. If we don't like it then we need to make a fundamental change to the way we do health care.

/ Please, can we change the way we do health care
// Yay socialism
 
2020-03-29 11:29:16 AM  
We can have military base In every country around the world. Why can't we have a public hospital in every town around the country?
 
2020-03-29 11:32:33 AM  

TomFooolery: ....

the number of elective cases across the system "has decreased by 77% during the last two weeks, while our physician office appointments have decreased by 40%." and the furlough mostly affects non-patient care positions, it also includes some clinical areas that have seen a significant decline in volume.


Well there's a sucker swallowing a corporate press release hook, line and sinker.
 
2020-03-29 11:33:35 AM  
'Murica.
 
2020-03-29 11:43:41 AM  
If this does not prove that our health care system is all about being for profit nothing else will. National helath would easily shift these workers to where they are needed.
 
2020-03-29 11:51:12 AM  
Employees should show up to work anyway and tell the boss to get farked
 
2020-03-29 11:52:53 AM  

TomDooley: TomFooolery: ....

the number of elective cases across the system "has decreased by 77% during the last two weeks, while our physician office appointments have decreased by 40%." and the furlough mostly affects non-patient care positions, it also includes some clinical areas that have seen a significant decline in volume.

Well there's a sucker swallowing a corporate press release hook, line and sinker.


Not completely.

It's obvious the elective (and probably overdone) procedures were subsidizing the critical needs areas. If the cash flow had dried up, you do what you have to.

You could ask was this a good use of priorities and capital? No. But when has this country ever done what it is good for it?
 
2020-03-29 11:52:56 AM  
There should never be a profit motive in healthcare or prisons.
 
2020-03-29 12:04:10 PM  

Nadie_AZ: We can have military base In every country around the world. Why can't we have a public hospital in every town around the country?


But how are these public hospitals going to safeguard our remote oil deposits?
 
2020-03-29 12:06:59 PM  

TomDooley: TomFooolery: ....

the number of elective cases across the system "has decreased by 77% during the last two weeks, while our physician office appointments have decreased by 40%." and the furlough mostly affects non-patient care positions, it also includes some clinical areas that have seen a significant decline in volume.

Well there's a sucker swallowing a corporate press release hook, line and sinker.


Not really. I absolutely recognize the possibility they're just blowing smoke to justify maintaining a profit margin. But when we have a system that allows for profit healthcare, healthcare providers will take profit into account in their actions. There's also the possibility that the claims are legit, and by acting now they're reducing the likelihood they'll need a government bailout down the road.

Don't assume that recognizing the system is working as it was designed and intended to work is the same as endorsing or approving of the system.
 
2020-03-29 12:15:20 PM  

Nadie_AZ: We can have military base In every country around the world. Why can't we have a public hospital in every town around the country?

Reagan ordered the 8 Public Health Service Hospitals closed back in 1981, for budgetary reasons. The one where my father did his fellowship at the time went private, finally closing a couple of decades later. Its facade became Arkham Asylum in the Gotham TV series.

Local city hospitals have all but closed or gone private as they were were financially underwater by serving the poor and uninsured. Nowadays, Medicaid expansion might have helped keep them afloat, but we can't have socialism in 'Murica.
 
2020-03-29 12:20:24 PM  

Nadie_AZ: We can have military base In every country around the world. Why can't we have a public hospital in every town around the country?


This. This is the start of a campaign ad. Add in Reagan closing the public service hospitals. And the Flu kills This many Americans a year vrs This is how many are killed by Terrorists. Why don't Republicans want to protect our country from its most deadly adversary?
 
2020-03-29 12:22:46 PM  
Another for profit healthcare success story.
 
2020-03-29 12:38:39 PM  
More evidence, as if more was needed to show that for profit needs to be removed from out healthcare system.   No one should profit off the suffering of others.
 
2020-03-29 12:53:54 PM  

TomFooolery: TomDooley: TomFooolery: ....

the number of elective cases across the system "has decreased by 77% during the last two weeks, while our physician office appointments have decreased by 40%." and the furlough mostly affects non-patient care positions, it also includes some clinical areas that have seen a significant decline in volume.

Well there's a sucker swallowing a corporate press release hook, line and sinker.

Not really. I absolutely recognize the possibility they're just blowing smoke to justify maintaining a profit margin. But when we have a system that allows for profit healthcare, healthcare providers will take profit into account in their actions. There's also the possibility that the claims are legit, and by acting now they're reducing the likelihood they'll need a government bailout down the road.

Don't assume that recognizing the system is working as it was designed and intended to work is the same as endorsing or approving of the system.


It's dangerous useless to speak truth to power stupidity.
 
2020-03-29 1:01:29 PM  

RussianPotato: There should never be a profit motive in healthcare or prisons.


Wow I never thought I'd see myself agreeing with the trump troll
 
2020-03-29 1:01:47 PM  

Lochsteppe: Nadie_AZ: We can have military base In every country around the world. Why can't we have a public hospital in every town around the country?

But how are these public hospitals going to safeguard our remote oil deposits?


Child soldiers from the local populations can form militias.
 
2020-03-29 1:15:13 PM  

RussianPotato: There should never be a profit motive in healthcare or prisons.


*blink*

/don't rub eyes don't rub eyes don't rub eyes
 
2020-03-29 1:17:14 PM  

TomFooolery: GardenWeasel: My hospital system which is roughly the same size, just sent a letter guaranteeing all current positions full pay through the end of April. (knock on wood this doesn't jinx me)

That's great, and i'm absolutely not suggesting that's not the way it ought to be. But there are variables here we don't know about - maybe your employer has larger cash reserves, larger stockpile of supplies, fewer offices for elective procedures, or a better revenue stream. Hell, maybe they're just able to charge more.  But if the plastic surgeon's staff, or the receptionist at the main administrative office, or even some of the support staff at a GPs office that's seen a 40% traffic reduction....if some of those folks get furloughed, it's not unreasonable.  If....if laying off some less than necessary staff enables you to keep operating or reduces the possibility that you have to shut down, then it's a reasonable business decision to take.  Of course, if we had single payer...


The fine print is everyone, and I mean everyone has to accept reassignment if necessary to keep operations going.
 
2020-03-29 1:20:18 PM  
My question is: if these people were furloughed from "non-critical" areas, why haven't they been moved to critical areas to help out?  All medical doctors have the basic knowledge of medicine (or are supposed to) before studying further in their specialty.  Have them help the nurses in triage.
 
2020-03-29 1:25:13 PM  

GardenWeasel: RussianPotato: There should never be a profit motive in healthcare or prisons.

*blink*

/don't rub eyes don't rub eyes don't rub eyes


There seems to be a new hire in the position this shift. It's not shiatposting hard enough.
 
2020-03-29 1:38:19 PM  
That's right. Some matters in life are just demanded of us, and there is no room i them to seek a  profit margin on top of it all.

So if we will only do what a profits can motive, then we should just die out already and get out of the way so the real evolution can being.
 
2020-03-29 1:38:56 PM  

jaytkay: GardenWeasel: RussianPotato: There should never be a profit motive in healthcare or prisons.

*blink*

/don't rub eyes don't rub eyes don't rub eyes

There seems to be a new hire in the position this shift. It's not shiatposting hard enough.


Rule #76: "Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies. "
Ferengi Rules of Acquisition.
 
2020-03-29 1:41:48 PM  

runwiz: If this does not prove that our health care system is all about being for profit nothing else will.


What do you mean "prove"? It isn't in dispute.
This is the medical system we have chosen, unlike the rest of the civilized world, because it generates profit for a few.
It costs more.
It serves fewer per expenditure.
It is free to drop and refuse any who it does not find profitable to treat.
And that is what we have knowingly, consciously chosen.
Don't try to blame it on some third tier CEO.
 
2020-03-29 1:59:33 PM  

SoundOfOneHandWanking: god forbid they take a small loss for one year.


How do you know it's small? Or one year for that matter?
 
2020-03-29 2:02:24 PM  

Exluddite: Kick the CEO to the curb and make them function at full capacity. This is a national (and worldwide) emergency. To scale down staff at a medical facility in a situation like this is criminal.


Good.
Putting the CEO in jail is better.
 
2020-03-29 2:05:39 PM  

Pincy: We use the Free Market to ration health care. Why would anyone be surprised when decisions are made based purely on economics. If we don't like it then we need to make a fundamental change to the way we do health care.

/ Please, can we change the way we do health care
// Yay socialism


Rationing happens regardless of the system, it just takes different forms. Single payer systems do it typically through wait times and denial of certain drugs or therapies in favor of lower-cost alternatives, although recent reports are that it's being done through triage in some places as the systems get overwhelmed.
 
2020-03-29 2:09:24 PM  

jjorsett: SoundOfOneHandWanking: god forbid they take a small loss for one year.

How do you know it's small? Or one year for that matter?


They are a recent merger. This was probably planned all along and they are just using the pandemic for an excuse.
 
2020-03-29 2:13:55 PM  

Sophont: Exluddite: Kick the CEO to the curb and make them function at full capacity. This is a national (and worldwide) emergency. To scale down staff at a medical facility in a situation like this is criminal.

Good.
Putting the CEO in jail is better.


Expecting businesses to act as a socialized healthcare system is stupid. If you want socialized healthcare then make it happen, but don't expect people to lose a ton of money just because you're pissed off that healthcare is for-profit in the US.
 
2020-03-29 2:19:25 PM  

Russ1642: Sophont: Exluddite: Kick the CEO to the curb and make them function at full capacity. This is a national (and worldwide) emergency. To scale down staff at a medical facility in a situation like this is criminal.

Good.
Putting the CEO in jail is better.

Expecting businesses to act as a socialized healthcare system is stupid. If you want socialized healthcare then make it happen, but don't expect people to lose a ton of money just because you're pissed off that healthcare is for-profit in the US.


Some people seem intent on downplaying the seriousness here, but this is a national crisis. If non essential businesses have to close, essential businesses might just have to prepare to work overtime.
It isn't about next quarter's results.
 
2020-03-29 2:22:17 PM  

Exluddite: Russ1642: Sophont: Exluddite: Kick the CEO to the curb and make them function at full capacity. This is a national (and worldwide) emergency. To scale down staff at a medical facility in a situation like this is criminal.

Good.
Putting the CEO in jail is better.

Expecting businesses to act as a socialized healthcare system is stupid. If you want socialized healthcare then make it happen, but don't expect people to lose a ton of money just because you're pissed off that healthcare is for-profit in the US.

Some people seem intent on downplaying the seriousness here, but this is a national crisis. If non essential businesses have to close, essential businesses might just have to prepare to work overtime.
It isn't about next quarter's results.


No. The government should hand them a bag of money and promptly take over the business. If you want to treat people like soldiers then at least draft them. Same goes for businesses.
 
2020-03-29 2:45:30 PM  

SpaceyCat: My question is: if these people were furloughed from "non-critical" areas, why haven't they been moved to critical areas to help out?  All medical doctors have the basic knowledge of medicine (or are supposed to) before studying further in their specialty.  Have them help the nurses in triage.


My guess would be that it's not to the point that's necessary. Yet.  SC has a fraction of the cases of New York or Washington, so their existing hospital staff is probably enough for now.  Very likely they will call those folks back if there's a need.  Or try to, anyway.
 
2020-03-29 3:04:18 PM  
Nationalize that sucker.  And anyone that used to be doing elective surgeries can clean farking bed pans.

This is why people hate medical companies and for profit hospitals.
 
2020-03-29 3:13:21 PM  

Russ1642: Exluddite: Russ1642: Sophont: Exluddite: Kick the CEO to the curb and make them function at full capacity. This is a national (and worldwide) emergency. To scale down staff at a medical facility in a situation like this is criminal.

Good.
Putting the CEO in jail is better.

Expecting businesses to act as a socialized healthcare system is stupid. If you want socialized healthcare then make it happen, but don't expect people to lose a ton of money just because you're pissed off that healthcare is for-profit in the US.

Some people seem intent on downplaying the seriousness here, but this is a national crisis. If non essential businesses have to close, essential businesses might just have to prepare to work overtime.
It isn't about next quarter's results.

No. The government should hand them a bag of money and promptly take over the business. If you want to treat people like soldiers then at least draft them. Same goes for businesses.


They wouldn't even step up in a crisis. The government can take them over, but the shareholders get jack and squat while the C-Suite gets sent to jail. fark all this useless coddling of "entrepreneurs" who can't be expected to lift a finger for anything but exponential profits.
 
2020-03-29 3:19:38 PM  

Sophont: Russ1642: Exluddite: Russ1642: Sophont: Exluddite: Kick the CEO to the curb and make them function at full capacity. This is a national (and worldwide) emergency. To scale down staff at a medical facility in a situation like this is criminal.

Good.
Putting the CEO in jail is better.

Expecting businesses to act as a socialized healthcare system is stupid. If you want socialized healthcare then make it happen, but don't expect people to lose a ton of money just because you're pissed off that healthcare is for-profit in the US.

Some people seem intent on downplaying the seriousness here, but this is a national crisis. If non essential businesses have to close, essential businesses might just have to prepare to work overtime.
It isn't about next quarter's results.

No. The government should hand them a bag of money and promptly take over the business. If you want to treat people like soldiers then at least draft them. Same goes for businesses.

They wouldn't even step up in a crisis. The government can take them over, but the shareholders get jack and squat while the C-Suite gets sent to jail. fark all this useless coddling of "entrepreneurs" who can't be expected to lift a finger for anything but exponential profits.


You can't have it both ways. Either the healthcare industry is profit driven and free to make choices based on good business practice OR you make the entire thing non-profit and a money-losing operation paid for by taxes. What you don't do is make it for-profit and then expect just those businesses to give up their profits willingly. If you want their money then take it. Grow some balls. Stop sitting around pouting about the system you outright refuse to change.
 
2020-03-29 3:48:02 PM  

SoundOfOneHandWanking: god forbid they take a small loss for one year.


This is our for-profit health care system. Deal with it.  Millions of eligible voters stayed home and didn't vote to improve it in 2016 and 2020.  Most Americans are unaware that many hospitals, mostly in rural America are borderline bankrupt.  Without paying customer boomers or well heeled Xers and Millenials, they go bust.
Do you suggest the nurses and doctors who have many tens of thousands in student loans, car loans, and home loans get paid by emergency federal dollars.  Congratulations comrade, you are what the majority of voters call a "socialist".
/end of rant.
//staying home, thankfully working.
 
2020-03-29 3:54:29 PM  
Private insurance other than as a supplement is going down mark my words
 
2020-03-29 4:17:42 PM  
I work for a non-profit health Care system. We're getting hammered with this...it's gonna get much much worse.
 
2020-03-29 4:18:12 PM  
This is what CBS ,NBC,CNN wealth vs. FOX News wealth in every election gets you.

Go vote for "most electable" instead of what is right you morons and this is what you get.
 
2020-03-29 4:56:23 PM  

Russ1642: What you don't do is make it for-profit and then expect just those businesses to give up their profits willingly.


It is not at all unusual to expect participants to pay back the society in which they profited, especially in a crisis. Putting bad actors in jail for the equivalent of price-gouging during a crisis is also not that unusual.
We can have it both ways. No reason but your opinion that we can't. Where you're failing in understanding is that I expect businesses to have more responsibilities than profit at any cost, and fark you if you disagree.
 
2020-03-29 5:07:09 PM  

Sophont: Russ1642: What you don't do is make it for-profit and then expect just those businesses to give up their profits willingly.

It is not at all unusual to expect participants to pay back the society in which they profited, especially in a crisis. Putting bad actors in jail for the equivalent of price-gouging during a crisis is also not that unusual.
We can have it both ways. No reason but your opinion that we can't. Where you're failing in understanding is that I expect businesses to have more responsibilities than profit at any cost, and fark you if you disagree.


Business is about profit. That's its primary purpose. If you want that business to sacrifice itself for whatever cause you think is important on any given day, and I've seen more than COVID-19 mentioned in that respect, then you're just delusional. They're not there to subsidize your healthcare, to subsidize veterans, to help out the homeless, to do whatever your pet cause is. It's a business not a farking charity.
 
2020-03-29 5:07:15 PM  

Screaming Candle: Nationalize that sucker.  And anyone that used to be doing elective surgeries can clean farking bed pans.


More realistically they should be preparing their areas for COVID-19 patients and reading up on how to treat those patients. But yes, there shouldn't be a single picture on Twitter of a nurse showing the mask marks left on their face after completing a 12 hour shift.
 
2020-03-29 5:11:56 PM  

Russ1642: Sophont: Russ1642: What you don't do is make it for-profit and then expect just those businesses to give up their profits willingly.

It is not at all unusual to expect participants to pay back the society in which they profited, especially in a crisis. Putting bad actors in jail for the equivalent of price-gouging during a crisis is also not that unusual.
We can have it both ways. No reason but your opinion that we can't. Where you're failing in understanding is that I expect businesses to have more responsibilities than profit at any cost, and fark you if you disagree.

Business is about profit. That's its primary purpose. If you want that business to sacrifice itself for whatever cause you think is important on any given day, and I've seen more than COVID-19 mentioned in that respect, then you're just delusional. They're not there to subsidize your healthcare, to subsidize veterans, to help out the homeless, to do whatever your pet cause is. It's a business not a farking charity.


If it can't be expected to participate in society based on that society's needs, it's useless to society. It has no god-given right to profit regardless of circumstance. Your idiocy is what makes communism attractive when socialism would do.
 
2020-03-29 5:14:44 PM  

Sophont: Russ1642: Sophont: Russ1642: What you don't do is make it for-profit and then expect just those businesses to give up their profits willingly.

It is not at all unusual to expect participants to pay back the society in which they profited, especially in a crisis. Putting bad actors in jail for the equivalent of price-gouging during a crisis is also not that unusual.
We can have it both ways. No reason but your opinion that we can't. Where you're failing in understanding is that I expect businesses to have more responsibilities than profit at any cost, and fark you if you disagree.

Business is about profit. That's its primary purpose. If you want that business to sacrifice itself for whatever cause you think is important on any given day, and I've seen more than COVID-19 mentioned in that respect, then you're just delusional. They're not there to subsidize your healthcare, to subsidize veterans, to help out the homeless, to do whatever your pet cause is. It's a business not a farking charity.

If it can't be expected to participate in society based on that society's needs, it's useless to society. It has no god-given right to profit regardless of circumstance. Your idiocy is what makes communism attractive when socialism would do.


My problem is that you all want healthcare companies to act as though they're socialized. They're not. They're FOR-PROFIT. If you want a different system then change the farking system. Quit blaming the players. Get off your farking lazy asses and vote.
 
2020-03-29 5:25:13 PM  

Exluddite: Russ1642: Sophont: Exluddite: Kick the CEO to the curb and make them function at full capacity. This is a national (and worldwide) emergency. To scale down staff at a medical facility in a situation like this is criminal.

Good.
Putting the CEO in jail is better.

Expecting businesses to act as a socialized healthcare system is stupid. If you want socialized healthcare then make it happen, but don't expect people to lose a ton of money just because you're pissed off that healthcare is for-profit in the US.

Some people seem intent on downplaying the seriousness here, but this is a national crisis. If non essential businesses have to close, essential businesses might just have to prepare to work overtime.
It isn't about next quarter's results.


I'm still waiting for you to explain what law was broken.
 
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