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(BBC-US)   In a moment of honesty Boris Johnson pretty much summed up the outcome of any of his decisions   (bbc.com) divider line
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2020-03-28 11:24:00 PM  
Here we keep getting sunshine blown up our asses.
 
2020-03-28 11:24:24 PM  
Or an attempt at it anyway.
 
2020-03-28 11:44:00 PM  

cretinbob: Here we keep getting sunshine blown up our asses.


There is a rimming and PSA joke in there.
 
2020-03-29 1:28:40 AM  
Has he ever made a decision while sober since like... the age of 14?
 
2020-03-29 2:16:35 AM  
And this is something we should all re-familiarize ourselves with. We are all going through grief right now. Every single one of us.

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We are all at different points and the stages don't occur in any given order. If you feel like you are getting overwhelmed, reach out to someone.
 
2020-03-29 5:23:14 AM  

cretinbob: And this is something we should all re-familiarize ourselves with. We are all going through grief right now. Every single one of us.

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We are all at different points and the stages don't occur in any given order. If you feel like you are getting overwhelmed, reach out to someone.


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2020-03-29 5:24:19 AM  
In all seriousness, though: this time is very scary, it will get scarier, and we all are going to have to be forgiving of ourselves and forgiving of each other in how we all process what is quickly becoming a generational trauma.
 
2020-03-29 6:58:07 AM  
Man, I hope Boris wasn't the one who licked all those envelopes before sending out the letters.
 
2020-03-29 7:04:46 AM  
He's right. Even here in NZ where we're on day 5 of our four week lockdown our PM is saying things will get worse before they get better. The incubation time of covid-19 means that it takes a while for symptoms to emerge so if the lockdown works, new cases will peak and start to decline about 2 weeks after the lockdown starts.
 
2020-03-29 7:07:09 AM  

pkjun: In all seriousness, though: this time is very scary, it will get scarier, and we all are going to have to be forgiving of ourselves and forgiving of each other in how we all process what is quickly becoming a generational trauma.


I will never forgive Drumpf
 
2020-03-29 7:16:07 AM  
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2020-03-29 7:27:46 AM  

Delawhat: Man, I hope Boris wasn't the one who licked all those envelopes before sending out the letters.


There are people on social media who seriously think someone is putting stamps on 30 million envelopes.
 
2020-03-29 7:36:35 AM  

Pista: Delawhat: Man, I hope Boris wasn't the one who licked all those envelopes before sending out the letters.

There are people on social media who seriously think someone is putting stamps on 30 million envelopes.


I wouldn't doubt it, unfortunately.  Folks should appreciate machines more for doing all the dirty work for them, like sealing envelopes on an industrial scale. Maybe then the machines won't become disgruntled and revolt against us.
 
2020-03-29 8:03:25 AM  
Farking twat, only a week ago the pubs in the UK were still open.
 
2020-03-29 8:19:54 AM  
If he is in isolation due to the virus, who is running the nation?   Do they have the equivalent to the 25th in the UK?
 
2020-03-29 8:20:27 AM  

Cormee: Farking twat, only a week ago the pubs in the UK were still open.


At least he finally farking pulled the trigger. I'm sitting here in Florida with a governor who just wants to blame "outsiders" for our problems and not take effective action to stop the community spread that is obviously happening.
 
2020-03-29 8:33:41 AM  

eiger: Cormee: Farking twat, only a week ago the pubs in the UK were still open.

At least he finally farking pulled the trigger. I'm sitting here in Florida with a governor who just wants to blame "outsiders" for our problems and not take effective action to stop the community spread that is obviously happening.


It's insane! I'm in Ireland and we're on our third week, and we were relatively late to the game
 
2020-03-29 8:36:22 AM  
So what? Every other politician, doctor, and scientist has said the same thing.
 
2020-03-29 8:36:33 AM  

Stud Gerbil: If he is in isolation due to the virus, who is running the nation?   Do they have the equivalent to the 25th in the UK?


Officially Dominic Raab is in place should that gravy dribbling Etonian misfit become incapacitated.
But this is the guy running the show
 
2020-03-29 8:47:27 AM  
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2020-03-29 9:49:39 AM  
Well, he's not wrong...this time.
 
2020-03-29 10:05:04 AM  

ukexpat: Well, he's not wrong...this time.


True. Farkers keep on insisting he's no different to Trump. Trump gets (rightly) criticised for downplaying this and saying it will be over in a couple of weeks, but Boris gets criticised for saying things are going to get worse and will need more action.
 
2020-03-29 10:31:20 AM  

pkjun: cretinbob: And this is something we should all re-familiarize ourselves with. We are all going through grief right now. Every single one of us.

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We are all at different points and the stages don't occur in any given order. If you feel like you are getting overwhelmed, reach out to someone.

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That one Farkers may understand.
 
2020-03-29 12:02:16 PM  
The UK seems to be weathering this a lot better than one would predict from their having done absolutely everything wrong until a week ago.  Give it time, I guess.
 
2020-03-29 12:53:15 PM  
The number of people who have died with coronavirus in the UK has now reached 1,019
17,089 confirmed cases in the UK.
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2020-03-29 1:03:44 PM  
We're one week into lockdown only a few weeks after we were told this was a last resort and they had no intention of bringing a lockdown to the UK and he's talking of things getting worse:

There are limits
 
2020-03-29 2:36:43 PM  

BarryJV: We're one week into lockdown only a few weeks after we were told this was a last resort and they had no intention of bringing a lockdown to the UK and he's talking of things getting worse:

There are limits


Sorry you're finding it inconvenient. Don't you know there's a pandemic on?
 
2020-03-29 3:50:45 PM  
In 1997 Professor Brian Cox of D:Ream and the Labour party told us that things can only get better. Now it's 2020 and the Conservatives assure us that things will get worse, and they don't even have a keyboard playing physicist to back them up.

Poor planning, Tories.
 
2020-03-29 5:04:56 PM  

BarryJV: We're one week into lockdown only a few weeks after we were told this was a last resort and they had no intention of bringing a lockdown to the UK and he's talking of things getting worse:



Cite? Because Boris has been saying things will get worse, could last a long time and emergency measures would be bought in since at least the start of the month.
The prime minister said: "The most important thing now is that we prepare against a possible very significant expansion of coronavirus in the UK population."
It is "much more likely than not that we will face a challenge in the weeks, months ahead," he said, adding that the country was "well prepared with a fantastic NHS".
Mr Johnson said that "further protective measures" against the spread of the disease would be announced "as and when that spread happens".

That from four weeks ago.

Maybe they could have started a lockdown earlier, but trying to do so before the public understood and supported such a move would be doomed to failure and face open revolt. Even today police broke up a karaoke party with people ignoring the restrictions.
Imposing this travel ban a month ago might have been better, but in reality the number of people who would have flouted the rules would have been huge, and it would have ended up being worse.
The claim that Boris' plan was to let everyone get it in one go was rubbish and based on a short clip taken out of context in an interview. The whole clip shows he said "some people" were suggesting that but then went on to say "It would be far better" to try to slow down the spread as much as possible.
 
2020-03-29 5:28:01 PM  

pkjun: BarryJV: We're one week into lockdown only a few weeks after we were told this was a last resort and they had no intention of bringing a lockdown to the UK and he's talking of things getting worse:

There are limits

Sorry you're finding it inconvenient. Don't you know there's a pandemic on?


It's not the lockdown, it's the manner in which they start with statements that there won't be a lockdown. Then there will be a limited lockdown, then more, then more.

Where does it end?

An honest statement of what is going to be necessary and what the overall plan is would be a much better way of dealing with this.

Compare Boris's statements with those of Dr Jenny Harries.

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She manages to be straightforward and honest and doesn't engage in threats.
 
2020-03-29 5:44:28 PM  

BarryJV: pkjun: BarryJV: We're one week into lockdown only a few weeks after we were told this was a last resort and they had no intention of bringing a lockdown to the UK and he's talking of things getting worse:

There are limits

Sorry you're finding it inconvenient. Don't you know there's a pandemic on?

It's not the lockdown, it's the manner in which they start with statements that there won't be a lockdown. Then there will be a limited lockdown, then more, then more.

Where does it end?

An honest statement of what is going to be necessary and what the overall plan is would be a much better way of dealing with this.

Compare Boris's statements with those of Dr Jenny Harries.

Link

She manages to be straightforward and honest and doesn't engage in threats.


From your own link:
Life might not get back to normal in Britain for at least six months because of the massive task of combating the spread of coronavirus, a senior government adviser has warned.
Dr Jenny Harries raised the prospect of some restrictions remaining in place until the end of September - or even later - in the national campaign to drive down numbers of infections and deaths.
She dashed hopes of an early end to the lockdown ordered last week by Boris Johnson and said some social distancing measures could last throughout the summer and into the early autumn.


There's a lot of "could" in there, the very thing you're criticising Boris for. Right now no one, anywhere, can say "This will end on May 27th" or whatever. You're asking Boris to give answers to questions that even the experts are just guessing at.

Your link does however confirm that the British government is letting actual doctors and scientists do their job.

Apart from North Korea, whose plan is "Shoot anyone with a bit of a cough" can you name any world government that has given the certainty you are demanding Boris give? Pretty much every country I know of has done the same, increased restrictions over time in reaction to the spread. Sweden only today banned meetings of more than 50 people, and still allows public meetings of under fifty. The UK has banned all meetings of more than two people.
 
2020-03-29 6:18:37 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Cite? Because Boris has been saying things will get worse, could last a long time and emergency measures would be bought in since at least the start of the month.


Peston on policy on herd immunity

From March 12th. Ten days after that BBC article.

Those government statements you quoted were mixed in with clear messages that:
We would let the disease pass through the population creating herd immunity.
Sporting events would not be banned because the chances of catching the disease in the open air were extremely low.
Schools would not be closed because sending children home could lead to children visiting each other homes, which would be more likely to spread the infection, then that excuse changed to say that closing schools would take important staff off the frontline NHS, then they closed them anyway.
Then there would not be a lockdown unless absolutely necessary, then Boris saw pictures of people walking in parks in London (perhaps they remembered the earlier statements that catching the disease in open air was very unlikely) and a lockdown is ordered.

When combined with the media's focus on death rates rather than infection rates (not the government's fault per se, but they could issue a strong correction of the importance of each) the effect is at best confusing and at worst outright deceptive.

Maybe they could have started a lockdown earlier, but trying to do so before the public understood and supported such a move would be doomed to failure and face open revolt.

Swift action might have put a stop to this immediately, especially if combined with the testing that people have been demanding since day one, but that ran contrary to the initial policy of herd immunity.

Even with the shift in policy, an honest announcement of what restrictions could be put in place and under what conditions would have helped enormously. No wonder people are panic buying when they have no idea if they're going to be locked in their homes and for how long. And there's no guarantee that won't happen because we have no published plan of action, only a vague warning of "further restrictions".

How do we plan to cope with "further restrictions". That's right, we don't, we just trust our government to do what's best for us like good comrades putting our faith in the party. No wonder Jeremy Corbin is claiming this response vindicates his philosophy.

Think I'm wrong? Which of these can you guarantee will still be allowed:
Right to outdoor excercise.
Right to purchase essential repair materials (for house or car).
Right to purchase food.
Right to purchase medicine.
Right to purchase non-food quality of life goods such as soap - tissues - skin creams etc.
Right to visit vulnerable relatives to provide care.
Availability of public transport to visit vulnerable relatives to provide care.

Any of them could be blocked at a moment's notice.There are no guarantees.

As for the karaoke party - people are not flouting the law because it was introduced too quickly, they're flouting it because they don't see the need and that comes from a high-handed attitude from a government that doesn't think it has to explain itself.

Not to mention the hypocrisy of expecting everyone with a cough to lock themselves and their family away for two weeks with no tests to prove they have Covid, while government ministers get tested within a day and government advisors get to run out into the London streets having just left a meeting with an infected person.
 
2020-03-29 6:21:36 PM  
How's that Brexit thing going?
 
2020-03-29 6:32:04 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: There's a lot of "could" in there, the very thing you're criticising Boris for.


I'm not criticising him for "could". I'm criticising him for threats. Jenny Harries is saying some restrictions that we already have she expects to see lifted slowly over six months with some still in place perhaps longer. (This matters because a lot of people were expecting this to end in just over 2 weeks.)

Boris is issuing threats of further restrictions with no indication of what they might be or for how long they might last. When he does give time lines, such as the three weeks for the lockdown, within one week he's threatening a tighter lockdown. It will take at least one full week and more like two to assess the affect of the current restrictions. Why is he issuing new threats now?

Perhaps he thinks this is like the old myth about boiling the frog.

It still reminds me more of the Fisherman and his wife.
 
2020-03-29 8:32:08 PM  
Just more ways the globalist deep state, can spark fear into the ignorant uneducated public, into
turning over total control over their lives, to the deep state.
This whole CARS virus (China Acute Respiratory Syndrome) has to be the globalist deep state
WET DREAM.
 
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