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(Politico)   "I don't think the public wants to hear criticism of Trump right now," said A) FOX News B) Kellyanne Conway, or C) An adviser to Democratic front-runner Joe Biden   (politico.com) divider line
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2020-03-27 2:14:39 PM  
Maybe try acting like a true leader, and not turning public health news conferences into your personal Airing of Grievances time and makeshift campaign rallies.

Respectfully,
The American People
 
2020-03-27 3:54:01 PM  
I'd suggest there's an argument for constantly saying "Personal attacks don't help us fix this huge problem. We need sensible strategies and we need sensible advice. For example we should ...."

WashPo article exerpt:

"[President] Trump has hit his highest approval rating since becoming president - 47%, according to an average of the polls. That's an increase of nearly 3 points over the last two weeks." Such polling has led to a great deal of crowing on the right and some Democratic angst. However, let's keep in mind four factors when considering Trump's political future.

The bump is minuscule by historical standards:

According to data from the Gallup Presidential Job Approval Center, George W. Bush after 9/11 and before the Iraq War, George H.W. Bush before the Gulf War, Ronald Reagan during the Grenada military action and the Marine barracks bombing in Lebanon, and Jimmy Carter at the outset of the Iran hostage crisis all saw much bigger rally-around-the flag approval bounces than either Trump (so far) or Obama.

President George W. Bush's approval soared to 90 percent after 9/11; President George H.W. Bush's approval rose to nearly 80 percent in 1992 after the Gulf War. As much as the media plays up the Trump base's imperviousness to bad news and evidence of Trump's mendacity and incompetence, an even larger share of the country believes that there is nothing Trump could do to vindicate himself.

In comparison with foreign leaders, Trump's approval bump is puny. The British prime minister's approval is at 70 percent (an enormous turnaround from his approval in the low 30s when he took office), Germany's Angela Merkel garners 75 percent, and arguably the world's worst hot spot, Italy, gives its leader, Giuseppe Conte, a 73 percent approval rating.
 
2020-03-27 7:32:40 PM  
Phew.

Glad we can look forward to the death of our country. And we won't *just* be able to blame it on Republicans.
 
2020-03-27 8:16:03 PM  
It's way too late for that.
 
2020-03-27 8:16:39 PM  
Don't criticize, just tell the truth
 
2020-03-27 8:17:01 PM  
You got to play the same game as they do, Joe. Kick them when they're down then keep stomping on them interminably.
 
2020-03-27 8:17:30 PM  
Biden is doing what's right: take the high road, let others sling the mud.
 
2020-03-27 8:18:19 PM  
The first time somebody accuses the Democrats of politicizing the pandemic and the Dems will fold on strong election commercials
 
2020-03-27 8:20:05 PM  
Trump's getting reelected but you don't care, you can just keep blaming Russia and Bernie Bros
 
2020-03-27 8:20:16 PM  

Smackledorfer: Biden is doing what's right: take the high road, let others sling the mud.


That's how trump got elected.  If Biden wimps out and tries to be "collegial" with Trump or any of his goons he will be toast.
 
2020-03-27 8:22:44 PM  

whither_apophis: Don't criticize, just tell the truth


When they tell the truth about repeatedly they need and what they were promised, Trump doubles down on not giving them anything. See:  New York and Michigan.
 
2020-03-27 8:22:50 PM  
This is a long article and subby focused on one sentence in a broader quote because BUTTHURT.

The quote:

"Biden has a thin line," the outside adviser to Biden said. "As much as I dislike Trump and think what a bad job he's doing, there's a danger now that attacking him can backfire on you if you get too far out there. I don't think the public wants to hear criticism of Trump right now."


This is 100% true in that context.  We can biatch about Trump all we want, but the American people do NOT want to hear Biden sitting in a bunker somewhere lobbing insults at whoever is in charge.  That would be incredibly bad strategy.

Biden should be doing what he can to encourage and lead the country even though he hasn't won the office, otherwise Republicans will use it against him in November, accusing him of hiding out and doing nothing while they did all the work.
 
2020-03-27 8:23:26 PM  
If the story about him getting vendors to deny supplies ot Michigan is true, I want that blared across every screen in America. And his head on a damn pike. Unkind remarks would be the least of his worries.
 
2020-03-27 8:23:48 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Smackledorfer: Biden is doing what's right: take the high road, let others sling the mud.

That's how trump got elected.  If Biden wimps out and tries to be "collegial" with Trump or any of his goons he will be toast.


^^^ He's right, you know.
 
2020-03-27 8:24:35 PM  
Buyer's remorse is a biatch.
 
2020-03-27 8:25:14 PM  
How long before Trump brings up Tara Reade?
 
2020-03-27 8:25:46 PM  

mjjt: As much as the media plays up the Trump base's imperviousness to bad news and evidence of Trump's mendacity and incompetence, an even larger share of the country believes that there is nothing Trump could do to vindicate himself.


I can think of one thing...
 
2020-03-27 8:28:32 PM  
Pointing out all the terrible things about Trump didn't work in 2016 and won't work now either
 
2020-03-27 8:29:59 PM  
The actual candidate needs to stay above direct personal criticism. Stick to positive messaging and info to people based on science advice. Act like a leader in waiting yes. Nearest  thing to criticism should be recommendations of what should be done.

Leave the attacks to the attack dogs. Candidate keep your hands clean in this situation.
 
2020-03-27 8:30:30 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Pointing out all the terrible things about Trump didn't work in 2016 and won't work now either


The terrible things about Trump were mostly predictions in 2016. Now they're demonstrable realities.
 
2020-03-27 8:31:10 PM  
We should have hired Bernie when we had the chance.

Can someone make a meme of that so we can play it in 2.5 years when don has us all taken out and shot for treason?
 
2020-03-27 8:31:52 PM  

LordJiro: ElwoodCuse: Pointing out all the terrible things about Trump didn't work in 2016 and won't work now either

The terrible things about Trump were mostly predictions in 2016. Now they're demonstrable realities.


It doesn't matter if people don't care.
 
2020-03-27 8:33:13 PM  
farking A. I hate this timeline.
 
2020-03-27 8:34:50 PM  
I agree, flaming the President during a national crisis, whoever the President is, terrible optics.

Eventually, though, the jig will be up, and then the time will come to toss him an anchor when he's drowning. Some Obama-style jiu-jitsu might be the best approach.
 
2020-03-27 8:36:33 PM  
Yeah.  I don't want to discuss how my psycho ex threw a Molotov cocktail through the window. I want to be eating chips and salsa while watching Dexter. But, my psycho ex threw a Molotov cocktail through the window, so now the house is on fire and I'm outside in my boxer shorts and a tank top. Guess what I'm talking about. It's not how cute and inspirational Lumen's character is.
 
2020-03-27 8:38:06 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Pointing out all the terrible things about Trump didn't work in 2016 and won't work now either


Because the people we really need to be dealing with are Trump's supporters.

Nothing short of criminal liability for supporting Trump after he's gone.
 
2020-03-27 8:38:27 PM  
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2020-03-27 8:41:45 PM  
I fail to see the point of the Bernie contingent's dragging Biden down.

The country isn't electing Bernie.
 
2020-03-27 8:42:55 PM  

gaspode: The actual candidate needs to stay above direct personal criticism. Stick to positive messaging and info to people based on science advice. Act like a leader in waiting yes. Nearest  thing to criticism should be recommendations of what should be done.

Leave the attacks to the attack dogs. Candidate keep your hands clean in this situation.


This attitude right here is precisely how and why Trump is going to mop the floor with Biden. These platitudinous, pearl-clutching, limp-dick centrist calls to decency have only normally been employed to silence Leftist dissenters with shame until the Bernard Brothers finally broke the spell. The big hole in your plan is that you can't shame the shameless. This shiat doesn't work on Trump or his frothing Boomer slaves, and now it doesn't work on Leftists either. It didn't work in the last election, and will work even less in this one. You guys made your bed. Shoulda picked Bernie.
 
2020-03-27 8:44:48 PM  

Generation_D: I fail to see the point of the Bernie contingent's dragging Biden down.

The country isn't electing Bernie.


Bernie is an asshole and like attracts like
 
2020-03-27 8:45:35 PM  
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2020-03-27 8:45:56 PM  
The numbers of dead and infected, and his statements showing his complete disregard of the seriousness of the issue, will speak for themselves when the time comes.
 
2020-03-27 8:46:31 PM  

Generation_D: I fail to see the point of the Bernie contingent's dragging Biden down.

The country isn't electing Bernie.


It's not electing Biden either
 
2020-03-27 8:47:38 PM  

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The 16 sexual assault accusations of Bernie's staffers though...  That Bernie never fired.

But yes, by all means, keep repeating Republican talking points.  On brand for an effing Bernie supporter.
 
2020-03-27 8:48:41 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Generation_D: I fail to see the point of the Bernie contingent's dragging Biden down.

The country isn't electing Bernie.

It's not electing Biden either


Long way to November.  By then Trump will be dead from this virus, and I doubt Pence or Haley is going to beat the Democrat, unless it's Bernie then they might.
 
2020-03-27 8:50:05 PM  
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Literally an outside advisor just saying going for the throat now is risky but you need to lay a clear outline of how Trump has mishandled and continued to mishandled the crisis.
 
2020-03-27 8:50:22 PM  
Yeah by November people won't want universal health care or anything
 
2020-03-27 8:50:34 PM  

whither_apophis: Don't criticize, just tell the truth


Telling the truth is criticizing.  At this point I think we all need to suck his ass just so he doesn't murder millions of Americans.

Trump is so amazing at doing his job and he is so tall.  Obama is so short and was really awful as president.

Can we have ventilators now please?
 
2020-03-27 8:50:55 PM  

zerkalo: The first time somebody accuses the Democrats of politicizing the pandemic and the Dems will fold on strong election commercials


More like FOX will refuse to air them: https://twitter.com/UniteCountr​yPAC/st​atus/1242792258828750850
 
2020-03-27 8:51:21 PM  
No, not criticism, Joe. Abject horror at this point.
 
2020-03-27 8:52:19 PM  

Peter_B_Risen: [Fark user image image 500x520]


Bernie is more of a crooner.  Hip hop never seemed to be his thing.
 
2020-03-27 8:52:46 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Smackledorfer: Biden is doing what's right: take the high road, let others sling the mud.

That's how trump got elected.  If Biden wimps out and tries to be "collegial" with Trump or any of his goons he will be toast.


Now let's be fair: If "that nasty woman" so much as raised her voice in her own defense, the "liberal" media couldn't trip over themselves fast enough to say she was "so defensive and shrill."

Biden has plenty problems, but as a man (even a Democratic man) he'll be allowed to call Trump out.
 
2020-03-27 8:54:01 PM  

lindalouwho: Raoul Eaton: Smackledorfer: Biden is doing what's right: take the high road, let others sling the mud.

That's how trump got elected.  If Biden wimps out and tries to be "collegial" with Trump or any of his goons he will be toast.

^^^ He's right, you know.


He's not.

A few things:

1. Biden isn't Hillary. Look at his performance relative to Sanders.

2. People can't look at Trump and think "how bad can he really be" anymore. That's a huge positive for Biden (unless you think Trump's four years will result in more people liking him than did in 2016. If that's true we are probably farked either way).

3. Just because Hillary lost doesn't mean you can logically conclude everything she did was wrong, and that somehow her opposite would be better. She didn't lose by much, and she had some incredibly extenuating circumstances. You definitely can't just say "Hillary did X and lost, therefore X is bad". You still have a burden to explain your assertion.

Finally, I intended my comment to be regarding the coronavirus in the present. This is a shifting scenario and I definitely want Biden to attack as we go forward (though not necessarily on the coronavirus)..
 
2020-03-27 8:59:10 PM  
New Fox News Poll shows Biden 49% to Trump 40%. Apparently approval on the coronavirus issue isn't translating in reelection appeal.
 
2020-03-27 8:59:17 PM  

erik-k: Raoul Eaton: Smackledorfer: Biden is doing what's right: take the high road, let others sling the mud.

That's how trump got elected.  If Biden wimps out and tries to be "collegial" with Trump or any of his goons he will be toast.

Now let's be fair: If "that nasty woman" so much as raised her voice in her own defense, the "liberal" media couldn't trip over themselves fast enough to say she was "so defensive and shrill."

Biden has plenty problems, but as a man (even a Democratic man) he'll be allowed to call Trump out.


Agreed. At the same time, and I don't mean to downplay covid19 at all here, we are still at relatively small numbers.

Remember, we aren't discussing how Biden can get us on Fark.com to vote for him twice. We are discussing bthe kind who often don't vote or voted for Trump. Better to wait until the accusation is undeniable than to give him a defense of "Biden was attacking me from the start and wanted me to fail."

Also, there is plenty of time between now and the election. Biden isn't throwing away his window to hit back on this by postponing it.
 
2020-03-27 9:01:18 PM  

lostsatellite: gaspode: The actual candidate needs to stay above direct personal criticism. Stick to positive messaging and info to people based on science advice. Act like a leader in waiting yes. Nearest  thing to criticism should be recommendations of what should be done.

Leave the attacks to the attack dogs. Candidate keep your hands clean in this situation.

This attitude right here is precisely how and why Trump is going to mop the floor with Biden. These platitudinous, pearl-clutching, limp-dick centrist calls to decency have only normally been employed to silence Leftist dissenters with shame until the Bernard Brothers finally broke the spell. The big hole in your plan is that you can't shame the shameless. This shiat doesn't work on Trump or his frothing Boomer slaves, and now it doesn't work on Leftists either. It didn't work in the last election, and will work even less in this one. You guys made your bed. Shoulda picked Bernie.


What the hell is wrong with  you? Are you a psychopath or just trolling?
 
2020-03-27 9:03:00 PM  
We don't need Biden to sit in his basement posting videos of himself lobbing nothing but insults at Trump. No.

But let's not forget there are a thousand incremental levels of criticism above that, many of which would actually help people by countering the constant lies and misinformation coming out of Trump's mouth.

Hell, Biden could do a lot of good if he used his spare time merely to pen a catchy tune about not taking fish medicine, because it is not safe. But that would require the intestinal fortitude to directly contradict something the President said, and in these trying times that might make some other people say, "Oooh, Biden. You so divisive!"

Biden himself said (I'm not gonna cite it, I'm feverish and sore and my quality is going to be a little less sometimes. I'm sorry.) that rather than call the President a liar, we should say that the information is wrong and then provide the correct information. Telling the truth does not require making a value judgement on your part. You can make that value judgement and it won't make the true thing you just said untrue, but you don't have to call the President a liar. Just say the information is wrong and provide the correct information. There is a "moral high road" available that does not require you to sully yourself by impugning the President's character and saying his lies are intentional. Just say "this is wrong, and here's what's right."

I'm not seeing that out of Biden. Sanders could sure as hell be more visible and helpful right now too. Sanders could also make a catchy song about not taking fish medicine. But Sanders is not the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee. And if Sanders were on YouTube completely unhinged and recommending we all drink kitten juice to become immortal, it would not make Biden's response any better. Trump's blithering insanity does not elevate Biden's response either, it just lowers Trump and hurts all of us.

It doesn't matter what the public wants to hear. What they're talking about is the political cost of telling the truth and saving lives, because some people will call that being unnecessarily critical of our lying, crazy President. We have to be very careful about telling the truth and saving lives right now, or else people that don't want to hear it might not vote for us.

Are we going to prioritize telling the truth and saving lives right now below trying to get votes for an election we might not even have in seven months? (I mean, we may have something that looks like an election in November, but its integrity has been damaged even more by the pandemic, and the ability of people to get out and vote is uncertain. There are no guarantees for the election right now.) Is trying not to turn off a few voters who probably wouldn't have voted Dem anyway worth letting people die through misinformation and lies right now?

Fark their feelings. Telling the truth about Trump being wrong is not being a bad person, and it's not an unreasonably high bar to clear. There are levels of criticism. And, hell, being brave enough to tell us what we're getting wrong and advocate for getting it right might just pick you up a few votes while you're at it.
 
2020-03-27 9:05:53 PM  
And I'm sure that all of us were wishing that there wouldn't be a NEED for criticism of Trump?


/All he needs to do is get all his shiat together and stop flapping his mouth, and everyone would stop complaining
//So... never.
 
2020-03-27 9:06:19 PM  

Peter_B_Risen: [Fark user image image 500x520]


Bernie gave them hell on the senate floor when they tried to payoff the rich guys and not the gig workers and unemployed. He's not a poor sport. Biden isn't either, but what do you think don is going to be like when he gets out??
He will sell every secret code to anybody that has cash. You know Bernie can be trusted because he swallowed his pride and supported Hillary.  Biden too.
But don?  He will have a Let's Make A Deal show on cable and sell states secrets to countries that call in. Don is in it for don.
Bernie is the absolute polar opposite.
 
2020-03-27 9:06:51 PM  
Uh you clearly aren't paying attention to anything if you just seriously said "Bernie could be more visible right now"
 
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