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(The Daily Beast)   Not news: White House trade advisor Peter Navarro wants to shift medical supply chains from China back to the US. Fark: even if it means restricting needed supplies and killing people   (thedailybeast.com) divider line
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2020-03-20 7:30:39 AM  
This is not a surprising position for this Administration.

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2020-03-20 7:42:56 AM  
Letting poor people die is part 3 of the plan.
 
2020-03-20 7:43:44 AM  
Peter Navarro is a goddamned quack.
 
2020-03-20 7:44:25 AM  
And then quietly not say a word as the supply chain shifts back overseas in a year or two...gotta save that money!
 
2020-03-20 7:49:54 AM  
As Ross Perot and many other warned us, NAFTA was a disaster for everyone but the top executives in the international corporations that wanted it, likely just like the TPP.  That's where the last nail was put in the coffin of good union factory jobs, whose existence dragged up the wages and working conditions for all Americans.  Both Ds and Rs are responsible for this mess, but one more proudly, loudly and stupidly than the other.
 
2020-03-20 7:51:28 AM  
Hold him responsible for the deaths as well
 
2020-03-20 7:51:31 AM  

Pharmdawg: As Ross Perot and many other warned us, NAFTA was a disaster for everyone but the top executives in the international corporations that wanted it, likely just like the TPP.  That's where the last nail was put in the coffin of good union factory jobs, whose existence dragged up the wages and working conditions for all Americans.  Both Ds and Rs are responsible for this mess, but one more proudly, loudly and stupidly than the other.


We live in a global world. Nationalism is for idiots.
 
2020-03-20 7:54:29 AM  

ReaverZ: Letting poor people die is part 3 of the plan.


Just in time for the census.

/cruelty is the point
 
2020-03-20 7:57:49 AM  
Navarro a farking asshole for trying this.

But after we make it through this pandemic, some thought needs to be made about returning some critical medical supply manufacturing to the US.

People will need jobs. This will bring a few home.
 
2020-03-20 8:02:53 AM  

Pharmdawg: As Ross Perot and many other warned us, NAFTA was a disaster for everyone but the top executives in the international corporations that wanted it, likely just like the TPP.  That's where the last nail was put in the coffin of good union factory jobs, whose existence dragged up the wages and working conditions for all Americans.  Both Ds and Rs are responsible for this mess, but one more proudly, loudly and stupidly than the other.


Let's not forget the corruption in the unions at the leadership level. An honest trade union that represents its members faithfully is a wonderful thing.
 
2020-03-20 8:10:21 AM  
The US could have maintained the tax credits for investment in Puerto Rico. Pharma industry used to benefit from those but Congress killed the policy. In fairness, it benefited the companies more than workers. But the government threw the baby out with the bath water. Rather than modify the law to make it more worker focused, while still giving the companies some incentives, they got rid of it all.

Back in the 2000s when Viagra was the big drug on the news, manufacturing in NJ (i think) had to be halted due to an incorrect air filter being used. All production coming out of there had to be scrapped. The company seamlessly shifted production to their PR manufacturing. It was a top-notch manufacturing base for that industry that was often being underutilized so it could pick up slack like that.

But i doubt that even if we restored incentives for PR pharma production it would work anymore. Between the brain drain of the past decade and the currently unreliable electricity supply, idk how viable it would be to do really large scale manufacture pharmaceuticals there.
 
2020-03-20 8:10:53 AM  
Not sure I would accept anything from china for the next 2 months anyway.
 
2020-03-20 8:12:47 AM  

ReaverZ: Letting poor people die is part 3 of the plan.


I'm so poor I can't even afford the paywall to see how I die :-(
 
2020-03-20 8:13:06 AM  

soopey: Navarro a farking asshole for trying this.

But after we make it through this pandemic, some thought needs to be made about returning some critical medical supply manufacturing to the US.

People will need jobs. This will bring a few home.


I think the takeaway should also be "just-in-time logistics is a liability if driven solely by cost-effectiveness".

Manufacturing overseas is fine as long as you have both the capability to manufacture locally /as well as/ have sufficient stock on hand to tide you over until that local production has come to capacity.

Switching from the convenience and cost-effectiveness of effectively drop-shipping most of your supply chain probably will cost industry a pretty penny.
 
2020-03-20 8:21:34 AM  

dwrash: Not sure I would accept anything from china for the next 2 months anyway.


Yeah, I'm sure your house isn't filled with chinese crap, Jan.
 
2020-03-20 8:23:33 AM  

neongoats: dwrash: Not sure I would accept anything from china for the next 2 months anyway.

Yeah, I'm sure your house isn't filled with chinese crap, Jan.


Irrevalent.  We dont really have a handle on the durability of the virus, and China hasn't been truthful. I would not accept anything that could possibly be contaminated until we know for sure its clean.
 
2020-03-20 8:30:20 AM  

Olthoi: Pharmdawg: As Ross Perot and many other warned us, NAFTA was a disaster for everyone but the top executives in the international corporations that wanted it, likely just like the TPP.  That's where the last nail was put in the coffin of good union factory jobs, whose existence dragged up the wages and working conditions for all Americans.  Both Ds and Rs are responsible for this mess, but one more proudly, loudly and stupidly than the other.

We live in a global world. Nationalism is for idiots.


True, but so is allowing exploitation of other people's children in sweatshops and offshoring of profits to avoid taxes.  NAFTA has apparently been a disaster for other countries like Mexico as well.
 
2020-03-20 8:31:15 AM  

Pharmdawg: As Ross Perot and many other warned us, NAFTA was a disaster for everyone but the top executives in the international corporations that wanted it, likely just like the TPP.  That's where the last nail was put in the coffin of good union factory jobs, whose existence dragged up the wages and working conditions for all Americans.  Both Ds and Rs are responsible for this mess, but one more proudly, loudly and stupidly than the other.


What killed the American unions was the proliferation of right to work laws that resulted in American manufacturing moving its domestic operations from northern States with strong union protections to southern States which enacted those laws.

NAFTA and TPP caused a lot of problems, don't get me wrong, but those were the equivalent of kicking a dead horse so far as unions are concerned.
 
2020-03-20 8:40:22 AM  

dwrash: neongoats: dwrash: Not sure I would accept anything from china for the next 2 months anyway.

Yeah, I'm sure your house isn't filled with chinese crap, Jan.

Irrevalent.  We dont really have a handle on the durability of the virus, and China hasn't been truthful. I would not accept anything that could possibly be contaminated until we know for sure its clean.


Mmmmmmm how would we even know China was lying about that?  Maybe ask a virologist.

And your support of academic grants to study virus survival mechanisms using Your Tax Dollars to pay for the research?

Did you vote Yes for state bond measures for your universities?

Every vote No on that sort of thing was a vote implying you were ok with ignorance.
 
2020-03-20 8:41:44 AM  

Outshined_One: Pharmdawg: As Ross Perot and many other warned us, NAFTA was a disaster for everyone but the top executives in the international corporations that wanted it, likely just like the TPP.  That's where the last nail was put in the coffin of good union factory jobs, whose existence dragged up the wages and working conditions for all Americans.  Both Ds and Rs are responsible for this mess, but one more proudly, loudly and stupidly than the other.

What killed the American unions was the proliferation of right to work laws that resulted in American manufacturing moving its domestic operations from northern States with strong union protections to southern States which enacted those laws.

NAFTA and TPP caused a lot of problems, don't get me wrong, but those were the equivalent of kicking a dead horse so far as unions are concerned.


What killed unions is they became political pacts and forgot and their members.  They also refuse to police their own members and work hand in hand with management to make better products.

Basically, they reduced themselves to being a protection racket for their worse members which gave everything else a bad rep.

Unions in Europe are way better.
 
2020-03-20 8:44:55 AM  

Bonzo_1116: dwrash: neongoats: dwrash: Not sure I would accept anything from china for the next 2 months anyway.

Yeah, I'm sure your house isn't filled with chinese crap, Jan.

Irrevalent.  We dont really have a handle on the durability of the virus, and China hasn't been truthful. I would not accept anything that could possibly be contaminated until we know for sure its clean.

Mmmmmmm how would we even know China was lying about that?  Maybe ask a virologist.

And your support of academic grants to study virus survival mechanisms using Your Tax Dollars to pay for the research?

Did you vote Yes for state bond measures for your universities?

Every vote No on that sort of thing was a vote implying you were ok with ignorance.


I said from the beginning, like other issues, that we should mobilize research like we did when going to the moon.  Same with global warming.

As far as college Grant's, too many stupid people are getting into college.. and college cannot fix stupid.  We need to have a hell of a lots less people go to college so the resources can be spent on educating people that can actually better the human race instead of take up space.
 
2020-03-20 8:53:13 AM  

dwrash: Bonzo_1116: dwrash: neongoats: dwrash: Not sure I would accept anything from china for the next 2 months anyway.

Yeah, I'm sure your house isn't filled with chinese crap, Jan.

Irrevalent.  We dont really have a handle on the durability of the virus, and China hasn't been truthful. I would not accept anything that could possibly be contaminated until we know for sure its clean.

Mmmmmmm how would we even know China was lying about that?  Maybe ask a virologist.

And your support of academic grants to study virus survival mechanisms using Your Tax Dollars to pay for the research?

Did you vote Yes for state bond measures for your universities?

Every vote No on that sort of thing was a vote implying you were ok with ignorance.

I said from the beginning, like other issues, that we should mobilize research like we did when going to the moon.  Same with global warming.

As far as college Grant's, too many stupid people are getting into college.. and college cannot fix stupid.  We need to have a hell of a lots less people go to college so the resources can be spent on educating people that can actually better the human race instead of take up space.


I'm talking research grants.

The kind people make fun of because it's things like studying bull semen volumes. And you laugh and wonder why people care/spend money/waste time.  Laugh with your buddies over your hamburger made from a steer born to a cow that was artificially inseminated.


That kind of research.  And it takes time to do it right.  Pouring money into it now will help with the *next* crisis, not so much this one.
 
2020-03-20 9:00:15 AM  

Bonzo_1116: I'm talking research grants.

The kind people make fun of because it's things like studying bull semen volumes. And you laugh and wonder why people care/spend money/waste time.  Laugh with your buddies over your hamburger made from a steer born to a cow that was artificially inseminated.


That kind of research.  And it takes time to do it right.  Pouring money into it now will help with the *next* crisis, not so much this one.


I've always been a supporter of research.. provided they can be removed from politics and tackle the most pressing problems first.
 
2020-03-20 9:33:16 AM  

dwrash: neongoats: dwrash: Not sure I would accept anything from china for the next 2 months anyway.

Yeah, I'm sure your house isn't filled with chinese crap, Jan.

Irrevalent.  We dont really have a handle on the durability of the virus, and China hasn't been truthful. I would not accept anything that could possibly be contaminated until we know for sure its clean.


A US-based laboratory study projected: 24 hours on cardboard, three days on plastic and metal, at least three hours in aerosol in the air.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJM​c​2004973
 
2020-03-20 9:35:53 AM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: dwrash: neongoats: dwrash: Not sure I would accept anything from china for the next 2 months anyway.

Yeah, I'm sure your house isn't filled with chinese crap, Jan.

Irrevalent.  We dont really have a handle on the durability of the virus, and China hasn't been truthful. I would not accept anything that could possibly be contaminated until we know for sure its clean.

A US-based laboratory study projected: 24 hours on cardboard, three days on plastic and metal, at least three hours in aerosol in the air.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc​2004973


Still too early to totally rely on those studies.. I would also think environment has a lot to do with it... moisture levels, temperature levels, light exposure, etc.   If its packed in an air tight container with the right conditions what is the max survivability time frame?
 
2020-03-20 9:47:20 AM  

Outshined_One: Pharmdawg: As Ross Perot and many other warned us, NAFTA was a disaster for everyone but the top executives in the international corporations that wanted it, likely just like the TPP.  That's where the last nail was put in the coffin of good union factory jobs, whose existence dragged up the wages and working conditions for all Americans.  Both Ds and Rs are responsible for this mess, but one more proudly, loudly and stupidly than the other.

What killed the American unions was the proliferation of right to work laws that resulted in American manufacturing moving its domestic operations from northern States with strong union protections to southern States which enacted those laws.

NAFTA and TPP caused a lot of problems, don't get me wrong, but those were the equivalent of kicking a dead horse so far as unions are concerned.


As I said, it was the final nail in the coffin
 
2020-03-20 9:56:12 AM  

dwrash: neongoats: dwrash: Not sure I would accept anything from china for the next 2 months anyway.

Yeah, I'm sure your house isn't filled with chinese crap, Jan.

Irrevalent.  We dont really have a handle on the durability of the virus, and China hasn't been truthful. I would not accept anything that could possibly be contaminated until we know for sure its clean.


You buy conservative bullshiat, so I'm pretty sure you're contaminated.
 
2020-03-20 9:58:44 AM  

I'm an Egyptian!: dwrash: neongoats: dwrash: Not sure I would accept anything from china for the next 2 months anyway.

Yeah, I'm sure your house isn't filled with chinese crap, Jan.

Irrevalent.  We dont really have a handle on the durability of the virus, and China hasn't been truthful. I would not accept anything that could possibly be contaminated until we know for sure its clean.

You buy conservative bullshiat, so I'm pretty sure you're contaminated.


You actually think my political leanings have anything to do with this?

You really are a small minded individual... Or a Russian Troll.

In my 13 years on this board, I only have 3 people on my ignore list.. I guess its time to add another chuckle fark to it.
 
2020-03-20 10:06:54 AM  

dwrash: I'm an Egyptian!: dwrash: neongoats: dwrash: Not sure I would accept anything from china for the next 2 months anyway.

Yeah, I'm sure your house isn't filled with chinese crap, Jan.

Irrevalent.  We dont really have a handle on the durability of the virus, and China hasn't been truthful. I would not accept anything that could possibly be contaminated until we know for sure its clean.

You buy conservative bullshiat, so I'm pretty sure you're contaminated.

You actually think my political leanings have anything to do with this?

You really are a small minded individual... Or a Russian Troll.

In my 13 years on this board, I only have 3 people on my ignore list.. I guess its time to add another chuckle fark to it.


Coward. I thought you guys were all tough and liked it when people told it like it is?
 
2020-03-20 10:08:40 AM  

dwrash: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: dwrash: neongoats: dwrash: Not sure I would accept anything from china for the next 2 months anyway.

Yeah, I'm sure your house isn't filled with chinese crap, Jan.

Irrevalent.  We dont really have a handle on the durability of the virus, and China hasn't been truthful. I would not accept anything that could possibly be contaminated until we know for sure its clean.

A US-based laboratory study projected: 24 hours on cardboard, three days on plastic and metal, at least three hours in aerosol in the air.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc​2004973

Still too early to totally rely on those studies.. I would also think environment has a lot to do with it... moisture levels, temperature levels, light exposure, etc.   If its packed in an air tight container with the right conditions what is the max survivability time frame?


I'm sure the professional researchers didn't think of any of those variables.  If only they had consulted you first.
 
2020-03-20 10:09:13 AM  
Seriously though

fark all conservatives without exception
 
2020-03-20 10:09:16 AM  
This is worse than what he did to the red hot chili peppers
 
2020-03-20 10:14:35 AM  

Famous Thamas: dwrash: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: dwrash: neongoats: dwrash: Not sure I would accept anything from china for the next 2 months anyway.

Yeah, I'm sure your house isn't filled with chinese crap, Jan.

Irrevalent.  We dont really have a handle on the durability of the virus, and China hasn't been truthful. I would not accept anything that could possibly be contaminated until we know for sure its clean.

A US-based laboratory study projected: 24 hours on cardboard, three days on plastic and metal, at least three hours in aerosol in the air.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc​2004973

Still too early to totally rely on those studies.. I would also think environment has a lot to do with it... moisture levels, temperature levels, light exposure, etc.   If its packed in an air tight container with the right conditions what is the max survivability time frame?

I'm sure the professional researchers didn't think of any of those variables.  If only they had consulted you first.


So we have one study, not peer reviewed or confirmed in another study.

Lets stick with scientific principles.
 
2020-03-20 10:17:36 AM  
You farking dolt, that's the New England Journal of Medicine
 
2020-03-20 10:26:00 AM  
Cruelty is the point. It's the Republican way. If this wasn't ruining Trump's "bigliest economy" bullshiat, he couldn't give a fruit fly's fart about his supporters dropping dead.
 
2020-03-20 10:30:45 AM  

spelunking_defenestrator: Seriously though

fark all conservatives without exception


Well, there are rare exceptions. My best friend is conservative, religious (Presbyterian), has no problems with gays (he knows I'm openly bi), and farking hates Trump (didn't vote for him either).
 
2020-03-20 12:35:16 PM  
Could we maybe, just possibly, stop trying to fark over China long enough to get through this crisis?
 
2020-03-20 1:48:49 PM  
Why does everyone around Trump look like a villain from a movie or comic book ?
 
2020-03-20 5:36:51 PM  

dwrash: Famous Thamas: dwrash: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: dwrash: neongoats: dwrash: Not sure I would accept anything from china for the next 2 months anyway.

Yeah, I'm sure your house isn't filled with chinese crap, Jan.

Irrevalent.  We dont really have a handle on the durability of the virus, and China hasn't been truthful. I would not accept anything that could possibly be contaminated until we know for sure its clean.

A US-based laboratory study projected: 24 hours on cardboard, three days on plastic and metal, at least three hours in aerosol in the air.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc​2004973

Still too early to totally rely on those studies.. I would also think environment has a lot to do with it... moisture levels, temperature levels, light exposure, etc.   If its packed in an air tight container with the right conditions what is the max survivability time frame?

I'm sure the professional researchers didn't think of any of those variables.  If only they had consulted you first.

So we have one study, not peer reviewed or confirmed in another study.

Lets stick with scientific principles.


spelunking_defenestrator: You farking dolt, that's the New England Journal of Medicine


and ...In case anyone didn't understand this, it is peer reviewed by the very fact that came out in NEJM.
 
2020-03-20 11:18:23 PM  

dwrash: Bonzo_1116: I'm talking research grants.

The kind people make fun of because it's things like studying bull semen volumes. And you laugh and wonder why people care/spend money/waste time.  Laugh with your buddies over your hamburger made from a steer born to a cow that was artificially inseminated.


That kind of research.  And it takes time to do it right.  Pouring money into it now will help with the *next* crisis, not so much this one.

I've always been a supporter of research.. provided they can be removed from politics and tackle the most pressing problems first.


If you're attacking pressing problems with basic research, you're a decade too late.
 
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