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(10 News)   Eight San Diego county residents have learned that price-gouging during an emergency is illegal in California. They face up to 1 year in jail and $10,000 max fine   (10news.com) divider line
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2020-03-19 5:54:04 AM  
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2020-03-19 5:54:13 AM  
And yet uber will never be hit with this for all their "surge pricing" during emergencies
 
2020-03-19 6:01:01 AM  
After monitoring several sales websites and apps, deputies "identified a large number of persons selling hygiene products, cleaning supplies/solutions, and personal protective equipment at exorbitant prices. These parties intended to maximize financial gain during the emergency with merchandise being offered for sale upward of twenty times its regular retail price.

Deputies went undercover and arranged to meet the sellers. Once transactions were completed, the sellers were "arrested in violation of section 396(a) of the California Penal Code."



TLDR:

SD Sheriff's Dept, running out of TP and cleaning products, comes up with genius plan to score some for free
 
2020-03-19 6:01:17 AM  

lifeslammer: And yet uber will never be hit with this for all their "surge pricing" during emergencies


isn't Uber kind of rapey these days anyway?

I'd be more worried about a different surge.
 
2020-03-19 6:01:23 AM  
Again, you buy 6 years worth of toilet paper in a crisis, you should be out in jail. You turn around and try to sell it at 1000% markup? You're gonna have a bad day.
 
2020-03-19 6:02:58 AM  
Price gouging on medicine still ok in this country though.
 
2020-03-19 6:13:46 AM  

lifeslammer: And yet uber will never be hit with this for all their "surge pricing" during emergencies


Not really looking to defend Uber (I think they're a bit of a shiatty company), but they have an established pricing structure based on demand and AFAIK that hasn't been changed due to present circumstances.
 
2020-03-19 6:20:09 AM  

Nick-c137: Price gouging on medicine still ok in this country though.

Only if you're a billionaire.
 
2020-03-19 6:29:42 AM  

spiralscratch: lifeslammer: And yet uber will never be hit with this for all their "surge pricing" during emergencies

Not really looking to defend Uber (I think they're a bit of a shiatty company), but they have an established pricing structure based on demand and AFAIK that hasn't been changed due to present circumstances.


https://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/18/uber-​h​ammered-by-price-gouging-accusations-d​uring-nycs-explosion.html

Which was after they pinky promised to:

https://time.com/2967490/uber-agrees-​t​o-limit-surge-pricing-during-emergenci​es-disasters/ (back in 2014)

and they still

https://money.cnn.com/2017/06/04/tech​n​ology/uber-london-attack-surge-pricing​/index.html

So, their entire business runs on price gouging and shiatty service
 
2020-03-19 6:30:18 AM  

lifeslammer: And yet uber will never be hit with this for all their "surge pricing" during emergencies


Here's the rub: "Per California law, excessive and unjustified increases in prices for essential consumer goods and services during a declared emergency is prohibited. "

You could easily make the argument that the surge increases are justified to get more drivers online.  This is similar to motivating people to transport much needed generators from Michigan to the Gulf Coast at great expense immediately following a hurricane and charging accordingly.
 
2020-03-19 6:31:47 AM  

sleze: lifeslammer: And yet uber will never be hit with this for all their "surge pricing" during emergencies

Here's the rub: "Per California law, excessive and unjustified increases in prices for essential consumer goods and services during a declared emergency is prohibited. "

You could easily make the argument that the surge increases are justified to get more drivers online.  This is similar to motivating people to transport much needed generators from Michigan to the Gulf Coast at great expense immediately following a hurricane and charging accordingly.


Charging more for toilet paper is justified because it motivates people to make more money to afford price-gouged toilet paper.
 
2020-03-19 6:32:13 AM  
Nick-c137 - Price gouging on medicine still ok in this country though.

And, we are done here...

/there are many things happening in this country that are positive and are happening because of this outbreak
//I highly doubt that any of these occurrences will go one second past this outbreak
///nothing funnier than people being forced to behave like human beings to each other, except when they stop and act like it was an 'emergency siutation'... because that is where we are these days, when being decent is an emergency situation...
 
2020-03-19 6:35:33 AM  

Nick-c137: Price gouging on medicine still ok in this country though.


Have any lawyers tried to go that route in court? Seems like it should be a winner.
 
2020-03-19 6:36:20 AM  
Now do Insulin.
 
2020-03-19 6:37:32 AM  
It seems to be a bit like looting IMHO.
 
2020-03-19 7:07:47 AM  
$10k?? Isn't that the going rate for 16 rolls of 2-ply Charmin now?
 
2020-03-19 7:13:24 AM  

spiralscratch: lifeslammer: And yet uber will never be hit with this for all their "surge pricing" during emergencies

Not really looking to defend Uber (I think they're a bit of a shiatty company), but they have an established pricing structure based on demand and AFAIK that hasn't been changed due to present circumstances.


Interesting enough these price gougers also developed a system of pricing based on demand. Yet...
 
2020-03-19 7:18:38 AM  

lifeslammer: And yet uber will never be hit with this for all their "surge pricing" during emergencies


And that (if true) exempts these guys from not breaking the law beeeeeeecause...?
 
2020-03-19 7:30:58 AM  

lifeslammer: And yet uber will never be hit with this for all their "surge pricing" during emergencies


To be fair, Uber prices gouges all year long, so this Coronavirus outbreak doesn't change much to their pricing structure.
 
2020-03-19 7:33:15 AM  
Price gouging during a declared emergency is against the law. The declaration of the emergency is supposed to trigger all available resources to help minimize the loss of life and property. Unfortunately, to the more evil among us, a declared emergency signals an opportunity to hold people's lives hostage for profit.

/As for the Uber deflection, they don't surge price during a declared emergency, and if a one off event (explosion at a factory triggers an exodus), they will correct any demand triggered price increase when notified.
//Drugs are a different story. I think a good cases have been made that increases on life saving medicine is gouging, but the drug makers have excellent lawyers that have managed to hold off any law changes. So far.
///Slashies!
 
2020-03-19 7:33:54 AM  
Refusing to cover preexisting conditions still ok.
 
2020-03-19 7:42:00 AM  

JerryHeisenberg: sleze: lifeslammer: And yet uber will never be hit with this for all their "surge pricing" during emergencies

Here's the rub: "Per California law, excessive and unjustified increases in prices for essential consumer goods and services during a declared emergency is prohibited. "

You could easily make the argument that the surge increases are justified to get more drivers online.  This is similar to motivating people to transport much needed generators from Michigan to the Gulf Coast at great expense immediately following a hurricane and charging accordingly.

Charging more for toilet paper is justified because it motivates people to make more money to afford price-gouged toilet paper.


Eh.  I would say hoarding is not a good justification.
 
2020-03-19 7:50:40 AM  
How to get around price gouging laws:
No-reserve auctions
 
2020-03-19 7:56:21 AM  
 
2020-03-19 7:58:49 AM  

OldJames: How to get around price gouging laws:
No-reserve auctions


Which is why eBay banned the sale of masks, hand sanitizer, and disinfecting wipes.
 
2020-03-19 8:03:57 AM  

Nick-c137: Price gouging on medicine still ok in this country though.


My husband's medicine is tens of thousands of dollars PER MOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNTTTTTHHHHHH

WHAT THE F****UUUUUUUUUUUUUU***CK
 
2020-03-19 8:14:44 AM  
The number of price gougers has overwhelmed states' abilities to enforce anti-price-gouging laws. Amazon and eBay must have tens of thousands of gougers making bank for themselves and those companies. The food I bought on Amazon pre-coronavirus, which gougers are cleaning out from grocers, currently costs 1000+% more. Nobody's going to crack down on that. Amazon did remove a few face mask and hand sanitizer sellers a couple weeks ago, but they're still selling plenty of $10 disposable face masks. (Or Surgica1 Face Màsks, as some sellers call them now).
 
2020-03-19 8:23:11 AM  

Private_Citizen: OldJames: How to get around price gouging laws:
No-reserve auctions

Which is why eBay banned the sale of masks, hand sanitizer, and disinfecting wipes.


Live auctions are way more fun, you can talk like Jim Dickins
 
2020-03-19 8:43:39 AM  
Profiteers should be forced to buy everybody lunch for the next year.
Or de-thumbed, I'm ok with either.
 
2020-03-19 8:54:39 AM  

keldaria: spiralscratch: lifeslammer: And yet uber will never be hit with this for all their "surge pricing" during emergencies

Not really looking to defend Uber (I think they're a bit of a shiatty company), but they have an established pricing structure based on demand and AFAIK that hasn't been changed due to present circumstances.

Interesting enough these price gougers also developed a system of pricing based on demand. Yet...


Creating artificial scarcity by hoarding supplies in order to charge more is what the truly outrageous. Having a limited supply of what you are already selling and increasing prices (within reason) due to that supply being limited makes sense. In fact it discourages hording.
 
2020-03-19 9:02:04 AM  
One of the people I work with does this.

When the panic started, he called up the place that supplies my building with janitorial supplies and bought all the hand sanitizer, toilet paper, and paper towels. (Literally a 53ft truckload of stuff!) Then he went out and bought all the macaroni and cheese in boxes that he could find.

This week, he is getting 10 bucks a box for the mac and cheese, 250 bucks + for a giant bottle of hand sanitizer and 15.99 EACH for a roll of toilet paper on ebay. People are buying it at these outrageous prices and not even caring!  He openly brags about all the money he's making on it here at the office!

I hope karma pays him a visit soon.......
 
2020-03-19 9:04:25 AM  

84Charlie: I hope karma pays him a visit soon...

You're just passively waiting for this to happen?

Do you know if this is legal in your area?  If not, why haven't you called the cops on him yet?

Yeesh, and people wonder why "nothing ever changes". . .
 
2020-03-19 9:26:16 AM  

dragonchild: 84Charlie: I hope karma pays him a visit soon...
You're just passively waiting for this to happen?

Do you know if this is legal in your area?  If not, why haven't you called the cops on him yet?

Yeesh, and people wonder why "nothing ever changes". . .


I cannot find his auctions on ebay, and believe me I tried!
I can report him, but cannot find the proof other than his bragging.
 
2020-03-19 9:30:17 AM  

MindStalker: keldaria: spiralscratch: lifeslammer: And yet uber will never be hit with this for all their "surge pricing" during emergencies

Not really looking to defend Uber (I think they're a bit of a shiatty company), but they have an established pricing structure based on demand and AFAIK that hasn't been changed due to present circumstances.

Interesting enough these price gougers also developed a system of pricing based on demand. Yet...

Creating artificial scarcity by hoarding supplies in order to charge more is what the truly outrageous. Having a limited supply of what you are already selling and increasing prices (within reason) due to that supply being limited makes sense. In fact it discourages hording.


Free market indeed fixes everything if just left alone. Am I right?
 
2020-03-19 9:40:07 AM  

84Charlie: I cannot find his auctions on ebay, and believe me I tried!
I can report him, but cannot find the proof other than his bragging.

Ah.  Lemme take a step back then.  You can probably report him anyway.

It's not your obligation to find proof.  If someone brags of murder, it's not your job to find the corpse first.  Your testimony only needs to provide probable cause.
This isn't on the level of a mugging.  Supply hoarding is a serious problem in an emergency; I can't assure you that U.S. cops will lift a finger but if they're going to make a move at all, they've got to gather their own evidence anyway.
 
2020-03-19 9:55:26 AM  

keldaria: spiralscratch: lifeslammer: And yet uber will never be hit with this for all their "surge pricing" during emergencies

Not really looking to defend Uber (I think they're a bit of a shiatty company), but they have an established pricing structure based on demand and AFAIK that hasn't been changed due to present circumstances.

Interesting enough these price gougers also developed a system of pricing based on demand. Yet...


Yet Uber didn't artificially increase demand by reducing the available supply in the market. Grocery stores increasing prices because they had to find different suppliers isn't the same as emptying every shelf for miles and then making it up 1000%.
 
2020-03-19 9:56:28 AM  

keldaria: MindStalker: keldaria: spiralscratch: lifeslammer: And yet uber will never be hit with this for all their "surge pricing" during emergencies

Not really looking to defend Uber (I think they're a bit of a shiatty company), but they have an established pricing structure based on demand and AFAIK that hasn't been changed due to present circumstances.

Interesting enough these price gougers also developed a system of pricing based on demand. Yet...

Creating artificial scarcity by hoarding supplies in order to charge more is what the truly outrageous. Having a limited supply of what you are already selling and increasing prices (within reason) due to that supply being limited makes sense. In fact it discourages hording.

Free market indeed fixes everything if just left alone. Am I right?


Ugh, no that's not what I said, I said its outrageous that people were hoarding in order to overcharge, I just said charging "within reason" more when supply is low makes sense and discourages hording. We should have laws and regulations to limit excessive price increases during emergencies certainly. but expecting prices to stay the same is unrealistic and leads to black market sales of these items. Reasonable regulations are much better than outright bans in more circumstances including this.
 
2020-03-19 10:35:23 AM  

spiralscratch: lifeslammer: And yet uber will never be hit with this for all their "surge pricing" during emergencies

Not really looking to defend Uber (I think they're a bit of a shiatty company), but they have an established pricing structure based on demand and AFAIK that hasn't been changed due to present circumstances.


Kinda sorta see your point. But it's funny Big Pharma is gouging on insulin and very little is done about it. Joe Blow jacks the price of a roll of TP and they're right on top of it.
 
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