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(Guardian)   "No sugarcoating it, last night did not go the way we wanted. And while our campaign has won the battle of ideas, we are losing the battle over electability to Joe Biden." Usual donation link missing from email to supporters   (theguardian.com) divider line
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2020-03-19 5:39:51 AM  
Battle over electability. That's a nice way of saying people figure it out you're batshiat crazy
 
2020-03-19 5:40:40 AM  
Can you really say you won the battle of ideas when fewer people vote for them?
 
2020-03-19 5:50:31 AM  

Summoner101: Can you really say you won the battle of ideas when fewer people vote for them?


He's definitely had ripple effects, certainly moving the Overton window on a few issues.  Regardless of the outcome of the election, the DNC will now be forced to recognize that there is a huge group of voters quite a way left of them, and hopefully adapt accordingly.  It isn't as complete a victory as the "battle" metaphor suggests, but it's something.
 
2020-03-19 5:51:43 AM  
Biden will be president in 2021. But for every single one of you who shiat on progressives, on the impossibility of progressive policy (as a bill to give Americans $2000 just passed the House) I want you to remember that you rejected those ideas and ideals. That there was a progressive running for President (two, in fact) and you went with a lifelong conservative Democrat.
 
2020-03-19 5:53:05 AM  

Summoner101: Can you really say you won the battle of ideas when fewer people vote for them?


Well... sure. Trump loses a battle of ideas to basically everyone he comes into contact with, but still won office. On the whole voters don't seem to give a corn-fed fark about the competing ideas on the table.

But other than whatever comfort it is to people licking their wounds, "won the battle of ideas" doesn't mean jack shiat. See also "won the popular vote."
 
2020-03-19 5:54:46 AM  
hey, at least my IRA looks the same as when Obama was president. Thanks, Donald. Orangy you're doing heck of a job.
 
2020-03-19 5:58:05 AM  
Don't blame me, I voted for Warren.  More people should have done that.
 
2020-03-19 6:00:44 AM  

feltrider: Biden will be president in 2021. But for every single one of you who shiat on progressives, on the impossibility of progressive policy (as a bill to give Americans $2000 just passed the House) I want you to remember that you rejected those ideas and ideals. That there was a progressive running for President (two, in fact) and you went with a lifelong conservative Democrat.


That's just silly.  The progressive wing of the Democratic party hasn't been purged or surpressed, it's still there.  It's just that their candidates weren't selected as the top of the Presidential ticket.  They will still participate in the party platform, they will still run and be elected in down-ticket races, they'll still be in a Biden cabinet, they'll still be on Senate & House committees, etc.

Bernie Sanders was never a member of the Democratic party.  He refused to join it for 30-years.  Can someone please explain to me why anyone thinks the party's infrastructure (it is a private organization after all) should bend over backwards to make him their leader at this late date?  Especially since he is staying in well past his best-before date in another Presidential race that makes the party look bad?
 
2020-03-19 6:17:23 AM  

Hey Nurse!: Battle over electability. That's a nice way of saying people figure it out you're batshiat crazy


You mean like praising Castro before a Florida primary?
 
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2020-03-19 6:19:30 AM  
I like Bernie. I've voted for Bernie before.

The problem is that the central premise of his campaign is that he will motivate millions of people who otherwise wouldn't participate to get off their couches and vote and it just isn't happening. It's not philosophy at this point, it's math.

He should stop this now.
 
2020-03-19 6:21:23 AM  
Elderly AUMF voters 2020
 
2020-03-19 6:27:08 AM  

KWess: feltrider: Biden will be president in 2021. But for every single one of you who shiat on progressives, on the impossibility of progressive policy (as a bill to give Americans $2000 just passed the House) I want you to remember that you rejected those ideas and ideals. That there was a progressive running for President (two, in fact) and you went with a lifelong conservative Democrat.

That's just silly.  The progressive wing of the Democratic party hasn't been purged or surpressed, it's still there.  It's just that their candidates weren't selected as the top of the Presidential ticket.  They will still participate in the party platform, they will still run and be elected in down-ticket races, they'll still be in a Biden cabinet, they'll still be on Senate & House committees, etc.

Bernie Sanders was never a member of the Democratic party.  He refused to join it for 30-years.  Can someone please explain to me why anyone thinks the party's infrastructure (it is a private organization after all) should bend over backwards to make him their leader at this late date?  Especially since he is staying in well past his best-before date in another Presidential race that makes the party look bad?


I think losing to Trump made the party look a whole lot worse, and spending the last 4 years not learning a goddamn thing is probably the worst look of all.

Bernie is zero threat to a party that offers solid ideas, solid plans, and a solid direction for the future. If Biden has something better, Bernie can't make him "look bad". Voting for wars, saying "nothing will fundamentally change", trying to cut social security... Biden has done it to his damn self and you bet the R team will be trotting all this out and waving it around.

Literally if coronavirus can't get us to understand the necessity of accessible, universal healthcare, nothing can. Hell, even Yang's ideas seem really realistic over doing dumb shiat for no reason right now. UBI is certainly preferable to a depression... And it's Pelosi and friends who are most scared of it.

Bernie sticking around only shows how weak tea the Democrats are as a whole. If you don't like the look, change your wardrobe.
 
2020-03-19 6:32:49 AM  

feltrider: Biden will be president in 2021. But for every single one of you who shiat on progressives, on the impossibility of progressive policy (as a bill to give Americans $2000 just passed the House) I want you to remember that you rejected those ideas and ideals. That there was a progressive running for President (two, in fact) and you went with a lifelong conservative Democrat.


Nobody was ever shiatting on progressives. It was the asshole Bernie Bros who are the furthest thing from "progressive" as you can get. Most of us are actual progressives who believe that progress is made in steps and that you are able to make a lot more steps when you don't bully your natural allies.
 
2020-03-19 6:35:03 AM  

Mr_Smartypants: Summoner101: Can you really say you won the battle of ideas when fewer people vote for them?

He's definitely had ripple effects, certainly moving the Overton window on a few issues.  Regardless of the outcome of the election, the DNC will now be forced to recognize that there is a huge group of voters quite a way left of them, and hopefully adapt accordingly.  It isn't as complete a victory as the "battle" metaphor suggests, but it's something.


A huge group over voters that might one day vote. Maybe. Probably not.
 
2020-03-19 6:38:09 AM  

Basket Of Deplorables: feltrider: Biden will be president in 2021. But for every single one of you who shiat on progressives, on the impossibility of progressive policy (as a bill to give Americans $2000 just passed the House) I want you to remember that you rejected those ideas and ideals. That there was a progressive running for President (two, in fact) and you went with a lifelong conservative Democrat.

Nobody was ever shiatting on progressives. It was the asshole Bernie Bros who are the furthest thing from "progressive" as you can get. Most of us are actual progressives who believe that progress is made in steps and that you are able to make a lot more steps when you don't bully your natural allies.


I would argue that Biden is the true progressive because through his incrementalism, he is able to make real progress towards realistic solutions to our healthcare crisis. M4a was just the new shiny thing to wave at lazy people that don't understand the option of simply going into debt to pay for medical treatment. Medicare, Social Security and the remainder of the ACA may be stripped away under Trump, and Biden will have to make the tough decision to not reinstate those policies once he's POTUS. The Bros lack the nuance to appreciate that true progress of incrementalism.
 
2020-03-19 6:42:17 AM  

Hey Nurse!: Battle over electability. That's a nice way of saying people figure it out you're batshiat crazy


Other countries have managed to implement and maintain the policies Warren and Sanders wanted to bring to the US for decades.  What's batshiat insane is that Americans see all the data that tells them these policies don't just work, but that their benefits dwarf the American system by orders of magnitude, and people's response is "Nah, we're good with getting nothing and paying 2-3 times what everyone else pays for the privilege".
 
2020-03-19 6:43:26 AM  

Basket Of Deplorables: feltrider: Biden will be president in 2021. But for every single one of you who shiat on progressives, on the impossibility of progressive policy (as a bill to give Americans $2000 just passed the House) I want you to remember that you rejected those ideas and ideals. That there was a progressive running for President (two, in fact) and you went with a lifelong conservative Democrat.

Nobody was ever shiatting on progressives. It was the asshole Bernie Bros who are the furthest thing from "progressive" as you can get. Most of us are actual progressives who believe that progress is made in steps and that you are able to make a lot more steps when you don't bully your natural allies.


Correct, for Medicare for all to become reality we need a majority in the house, a majority in the senate, control of the White House and a majority on the Supreme Court. We currently have one of those. If we can win the White House this year we have a really good chance at getting a majority on the Supreme Court. If Trump wins, we lose a shot at the Supreme Court majority for a generation.

Not voting for for Biden is voting for at least a 20 year delay in Medicare for All.
 
2020-03-19 6:44:14 AM  

Summoner101: Can you really say you won the battle of ideas when fewer people vote for them?


4 years ago the idea that Democrats would have universal healthcare as a central facet to the primary was laughable.
 
2020-03-19 6:52:42 AM  

Socrofece: Don't blame me, I voted for Warren.  More people should have done that.


Ditto
 
2020-03-19 6:55:40 AM  
Basket Of Deplorables:

Nobody was ever shiatting on progressives.

You picked a terrible time to wake up from that 40 year coma.
 
2020-03-19 6:56:01 AM  

Mr_Smartypants: Summoner101: Can you really say you won the battle of ideas when fewer people vote for them?

He's definitely had ripple effects, certainly moving the Overton window on a few issues.  Regardless of the outcome of the election, the DNC will now be forced to recognize that there is a huge group of voters quite a way left of them, and hopefully adapt accordingly.  It isn't as complete a victory as the "battle" metaphor suggests, but it's something.


What on earth makes you think the DNC didn't know that already? They did. They don't focus on them because - as we are seeing - they don't farking show up to vote, even when you give them everything.
 
2020-03-19 6:56:56 AM  

feltrider: Biden will be president in 2021. But for every single one of you who shiat on progressives, on the impossibility of progressive policy (as a bill to give Americans $2000 just passed the House) I want you to remember that you rejected those ideas and ideals. That there was a progressive running for President (two, in fact) and you went with a lifelong conservative Democrat.


Hi! fark you. Ideas weren't rejected. You were, personally.
 
2020-03-19 6:57:48 AM  

adamatari: KWess: feltrider: Biden will be president in 2021. But for every single one of you who shiat on progressives, on the impossibility of progressive policy (as a bill to give Americans $2000 just passed the House) I want you to remember that you rejected those ideas and ideals. That there was a progressive running for President (two, in fact) and you went with a lifelong conservative Democrat.

That's just silly.  The progressive wing of the Democratic party hasn't been purged or surpressed, it's still there.  It's just that their candidates weren't selected as the top of the Presidential ticket.  They will still participate in the party platform, they will still run and be elected in down-ticket races, they'll still be in a Biden cabinet, they'll still be on Senate & House committees, etc.

Bernie Sanders was never a member of the Democratic party.  He refused to join it for 30-years.  Can someone please explain to me why anyone thinks the party's infrastructure (it is a private organization after all) should bend over backwards to make him their leader at this late date?  Especially since he is staying in well past his best-before date in another Presidential race that makes the party look bad?

I think losing to Trump made the party look a whole lot worse, and spending the last 4 years not learning a goddamn thing is probably the worst look of all.

Bernie is zero threat to a party that offers solid ideas, solid plans, and a solid direction for the future. If Biden has something better, Bernie can't make him "look bad". Voting for wars, saying "nothing will fundamentally change", trying to cut social security... Biden has done it to his damn self and you bet the R team will be trotting all this out and waving it around.

Literally if coronavirus can't get us to understand the necessity of accessible, universal healthcare, nothing can. Hell, even Yang's ideas seem really realistic over doing dumb shiat for no reason right now. UBI is certainly preferable to a depression... And it's Pelosi and friends who are most scared of it.

Bernie sticking around only shows how weak tea the Democrats are as a whole. If you don't like the look, change your wardrobe.


This is just a massive, steaming pile of bullshiat.
 
2020-03-19 7:02:13 AM  
JerryHeisenberg:

I would argue that Biden is the true progressive

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2020-03-19 7:06:31 AM  

feltrider: Biden will be president in 2021. But for every single one of you who shiat on progressives, on the impossibility of progressive policy (as a bill to give Americans $2000 just passed the House) I want you to remember that you rejected those ideas and ideals. That there was a progressive running for President (two, in fact) and you went with a lifelong conservative Democrat.


Counting our chickens a might early, aren't you?

Donnie's approval rating on 538 has gone UP lately.
 
2020-03-19 7:07:40 AM  

adamatari: UBI is certainly preferable to a depression... And it's Pelosi and friends who are most scared of it.


Pelosi's in charge of the Senate know?  Cool.
 
2020-03-19 7:08:19 AM  
Number of replies before a frank insult...Zero. This thread never stood a chance.
 
2020-03-19 7:10:47 AM  
M4a... what a waste of time. Old people already have Medicare (and don't want it to change) and young people don't get sick. Nobody wants to raise taxes for M4a. The real solution is to impose a consumption tax on existing medical treatment and prescription drugs (since the wealthy consume more medical care than the lower classes) and then transfer the proceeds to the banking sector, which can now offer otherwise subprime loans to anyone receiving medical treatment seeking to cover the costs. This creates jobs and serves as progress towards reinstating the ACA, since the ACA will be struck down later this year.
 
2020-03-19 7:10:53 AM  
Choice between the "democrat" version of rand paul or the guy who was Obamas right hand man for the best 8 years any of us remember


God who do I pick
 
2020-03-19 7:10:57 AM  

PunGent: Counting our chickens a might early, aren't you?


Given that the very Weeners was an insult to Sanders, and the great hobby of the centrist democrat is shiatting on Sanders and his supporters, do not be surprised if this is Hilary Clinton Mk II.

"It's time to come together" doesn't work when it's immediately followed by "you farking asshole."
 
2020-03-19 7:11:37 AM  

KWess: feltrider: Biden will be president in 2021. But for every single one of you who shiat on progressives, on the impossibility of progressive policy (as a bill to give Americans $2000 just passed the House) I want you to remember that you rejected those ideas and ideals. That there was a progressive running for President (two, in fact) and you went with a lifelong conservative Democrat.

That's just silly.  The progressive wing of the Democratic party hasn't been purged or surpressed, it's still there.  It's just that their candidates weren't selected as the top of the Presidential ticket.  They will still participate in the party platform, they will still run and be elected in down-ticket races, they'll still be in a Biden cabinet, they'll still be on Senate & House committees, etc.

Bernie Sanders was never a member of the Democratic party.  He refused to join it for 30-years.  Can someone please explain to me why anyone thinks the party's infrastructure (it is a private organization after all) should bend over backwards to make him their leader at this late date? Especially since he is staying in well past his best-before date in another Presidential race that makes the party look bad?


They tend to get hand-wavy at that point :)

Thoughts on a Biden-Bernie ticket?  I'd vote for it.

/would also vote straight Bern if he pulls it out, wouldn't lose a minute's sleep over it
//or of course, vote Biden, which would put me to sleep
 
2020-03-19 7:17:06 AM  
If the Dems can just get the Bernie Bros to shut up and vote as their told, they will be down to dealing with one final hurdle to securing the White House:  Joe Biden.
 
2020-03-19 7:21:53 AM  

PunGent: KWess: feltrider: Biden will be president in 2021. But for every single one of you who shiat on progressives, on the impossibility of progressive policy (as a bill to give Americans $2000 just passed the House) I want you to remember that you rejected those ideas and ideals. That there was a progressive running for President (two, in fact) and you went with a lifelong conservative Democrat.

That's just silly.  The progressive wing of the Democratic party hasn't been purged or surpressed, it's still there.  It's just that their candidates weren't selected as the top of the Presidential ticket.  They will still participate in the party platform, they will still run and be elected in down-ticket races, they'll still be in a Biden cabinet, they'll still be on Senate & House committees, etc.

Bernie Sanders was never a member of the Democratic party.  He refused to join it for 30-years.  Can someone please explain to me why anyone thinks the party's infrastructure (it is a private organization after all) should bend over backwards to make him their leader at this late date? Especially since he is staying in well past his best-before date in another Presidential race that makes the party look bad?

They tend to get hand-wavy at that point :)

Thoughts on a Biden-Bernie ticket?  I'd vote for it.

/would also vote straight Bern if he pulls it out, wouldn't lose a minute's sleep over it
//or of course, vote Biden, which would put me to sleep


Biden-Paul Ryan to get the conservative vote
 
2020-03-19 7:22:48 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: PunGent: Counting our chickens a might early, aren't you?

Given that the very Weeners was an insult to Sanders, and the great hobby of the centrist democrat is shiatting on Sanders and his supporters, do not be surprised if this is Hilary Clinton Mk II.

"It's time to come together" doesn't work when it's immediately followed by "you farking asshole."


Eh, one guy in one thread who I've never heard of isn't "all Democrat voters"...could be GOP, for all I know.

You're not wrong about the odds of Hilary 2.0...but ya don't get to play in the finals if ya get eliminated in the playoffs :/

The math against Biden in the general?  it's WORSE against Bernie...pretty much across the board.  Young voters could make a difference...that's where he's crushing it...but they're not turning out in enough numbers, by every poll I've seen.  They're out there, they're eligible...they're just not turning up in big percentages, for whatever reason.  For anybody, not just Bernie.

Don't ask me why, I'm middle-aged :)
 
2020-03-19 7:26:02 AM  

Mr_Smartypants: He's definitely had ripple effects, certainly moving the Overton window on a few issues.


This is the best thing about Bernie. He's dragged the party back leftward, where it should be. But then, that's what he's always been good at.
 
2020-03-19 7:26:36 AM  

cltbuilder: Socrofece: Don't blame me, I voted for Warren.  More people should have done that.

Ditto


I didn't, and I really regret it now.
 
2020-03-19 7:43:09 AM  

feltrider: Biden will be president in 2021. But for every single one of you who shiat on progressives, on the impossibility of progressive policy (as a bill to give Americans $2000 just passed the House) I want you to remember that you rejected those ideas and ideals. That there was a progressive running for President (two, in fact) and you went with a lifelong conservative Democrat.


Holy fark, hyperbole much?

Unless you have proof that there has been a top down purge of progressive democratic lawmakers, that is.
 
2020-03-19 7:58:08 AM  
Bernie is much smarter than his fringe followers.
 
2020-03-19 8:02:54 AM  

lifeslammer: Choice between the "democrat" version of rand paul or the guy who was Obamas right hand man for the best 8 years any of us remember


God who do I pick


Trump won because those 8 years sucked ass for a lot of people

But go ahead, keep telling yourself it was just "angry hillbilly racists"
 
2020-03-19 8:02:55 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Number of replies before a frank insult...Zero. This thread never stood a chance.


Murkanen: You picked a terrible time to wake up from that 40 year coma.


You guys talk.
 
2020-03-19 8:06:46 AM  

Mr_Smartypants: Summoner101: Can you really say you won the battle of ideas when fewer people vote for them?

He's definitely had ripple effects, certainly moving the Overton window on a few issues.  Regardless of the outcome of the election, the DNC will now be forced to recognize that there is a huge group of voters quite a way left of them, and hopefully adapt accordingly.  It isn't as complete a victory as the "battle" metaphor suggests, but it's something.


I don't know about VOTERS cause, well, 30%. And it appears the young vote abandoned him. But Bernies ideas had a lot of support and he was able to mobilize a lot of small donations.
I'm not sure how that will translate politically.
 
2020-03-19 8:14:17 AM  

Murkanen: Summoner101: Can you really say you won the battle of ideas when fewer people vote for them?

4 years ago the idea that Democrats would have universal healthcare as a central facet to the primary was laughable.


Maybe 4 years ago, but before that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton​_​health_care_plan_of_1993
 
2020-03-19 8:20:37 AM  

Summoner101: Can you really say you won the battle of ideas when fewer people vote for them?


Meh. I don't think too many people had a problem with Bernie's overall goals. Universal healthcare and at least affordable college are where we need to get to. My problem with Bernie is that I don't think he can get us there. Honestly, I don't think anyone can get us there until the Democrats accumulate more power overall. We don't need a visionary right now so much as a party builder.
 
2020-03-19 8:23:42 AM  

KWess: feltrider: Biden will be president in 2021. But for every single one of you who shiat on progressives, on the impossibility of progressive policy (as a bill to give Americans $2000 just passed the House) I want you to remember that you rejected those ideas and ideals. That there was a progressive running for President (two, in fact) and you went with a lifelong conservative Democrat.

That's just silly.  The progressive wing of the Democratic party hasn't been purged or surpressed, it's still there.  It's just that their candidates weren't selected as the top of the Presidential ticket.  They will still participate in the party platform, they will still run and be elected in down-ticket races, they'll still be in a Biden cabinet, they'll still be on Senate & House committees, etc.

Bernie Sanders was never a member of the Democratic party.  He refused to join it for 30-years.  Can someone please explain to me why anyone thinks the party's infrastructure (it is a private organization after all) should bend over backwards to make him their leader at this late date?  Especially since he is staying in well past his best-before date in another Presidential race that makes the party look bad?


Because Bernie running as an independent would surely be the best way to defeat Trump.
 
2020-03-19 8:25:03 AM  
Abandoned, was actively suppressed from voting, same thing
 
2020-03-19 8:25:51 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: KWess: feltrider: Biden will be president in 2021. But for every single one of you who shiat on progressives, on the impossibility of progressive policy (as a bill to give Americans $2000 just passed the House) I want you to remember that you rejected those ideas and ideals. That there was a progressive running for President (two, in fact) and you went with a lifelong conservative Democrat.

That's just silly.  The progressive wing of the Democratic party hasn't been purged or surpressed, it's still there.  It's just that their candidates weren't selected as the top of the Presidential ticket.  They will still participate in the party platform, they will still run and be elected in down-ticket races, they'll still be in a Biden cabinet, they'll still be on Senate & House committees, etc.

Bernie Sanders was never a member of the Democratic party.  He refused to join it for 30-years.  Can someone please explain to me why anyone thinks the party's infrastructure (it is a private organization after all) should bend over backwards to make him their leader at this late date?  Especially since he is staying in well past his best-before date in another Presidential race that makes the party look bad?

Because Bernie running as an independent would surely be the best way to defeat Trump.



So, his game is 'nominate me or I'll burn it all down?'

If that's what he does, then he is truly a fool or a monster.
 
2020-03-19 8:29:39 AM  

ElwoodCuse: lifeslammer: Choice between the "democrat" version of rand paul or the guy who was Obamas right hand man for the best 8 years any of us remember


God who do I pick

Trump won because those 8 years sucked ass for a lot of people

But go ahead, keep telling yourself it was just "angry hillbilly racists"


Angry hillbilly racist-like typing detected.
 
2020-03-19 8:33:21 AM  

KWess: Tyrone Slothrop: KWess: feltrider: Biden will be president in 2021. But for every single one of you who shiat on progressives, on the impossibility of progressive policy (as a bill to give Americans $2000 just passed the House) I want you to remember that you rejected those ideas and ideals. That there was a progressive running for President (two, in fact) and you went with a lifelong conservative Democrat.

That's just silly.  The progressive wing of the Democratic party hasn't been purged or surpressed, it's still there.  It's just that their candidates weren't selected as the top of the Presidential ticket.  They will still participate in the party platform, they will still run and be elected in down-ticket races, they'll still be in a Biden cabinet, they'll still be on Senate & House committees, etc.

Bernie Sanders was never a member of the Democratic party.  He refused to join it for 30-years.  Can someone please explain to me why anyone thinks the party's infrastructure (it is a private organization after all) should bend over backwards to make him their leader at this late date?  Especially since he is staying in well past his best-before date in another Presidential race that makes the party look bad?

Because Bernie running as an independent would surely be the best way to defeat Trump.


So, his game is 'nominate me or I'll burn it all down?'

If that's what he does, then he is truly a fool or a monster.


You're the one who doesn't want him running as a Democrat. And the Democrats would have nothing to fear from him as an independent if they offered what his supporters want. The people don't owe politicians anything.
 
2020-03-19 8:41:54 AM  

PunGent: feltrider: Biden will be president in 2021. But for every single one of you who shiat on progressives, on the impossibility of progressive policy (as a bill to give Americans $2000 just passed the House) I want you to remember that you rejected those ideas and ideals. That there was a progressive running for President (two, in fact) and you went with a lifelong conservative Democrat.

Counting our chickens a might early, aren't you?

Donnie's approval rating on 538 has gone UP lately.


I've been assured that Biden is the strongest candidate and that he will absolutely beat Trump. As I despise him and what he stands for, and am voting for him, I have no reason to believe that's not true.
 
2020-03-19 8:44:45 AM  

ElwoodCuse: lifeslammer: Choice between the "democrat" version of rand paul or the guy who was Obamas right hand man for the best 8 years any of us remember


God who do I pick

Trump won because those 8 years sucked ass for a lot of people

But go ahead, keep telling yourself it was just "angry hillbilly racists"


No, he wont because russia farked things up a ton, and because a pathetic amount of people refuse to vote for a woman to lead
 
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