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2020-03-18 9:59:08 AM  
You don't understand. He needed to stay in until the debate because a good performance there had a chance of turning everything around. And yes, some people are saying that the shellacking his received during the previous round of primaries proves that final gambit failed and he should drop out. But listen. A campaign is like an oil tanker. It's like a cargo ship. You can't just turn those things around. They turn slowly, grandly, in great, epic arcs that encompass vast swaths of ocean. So his turn from the last debate is just starting. It's only just starting. Maybe by the next primary he'll have completed more of the turn, and then by the one after that -- well, I mean, we could be looking at 30, 40 percent of the turn being complete. So by the convention he'll have that ship completely on its new course and everything will be coming up roses. You just have to look at the long picture.
 
2020-03-18 8:59:33 PM  
Same.
 
2020-03-18 9:00:36 PM  
Getting beat down by the machine.

/maaaaaaan
 
2020-03-18 9:01:05 PM  
This is all their fault. They didn't create enough memes.
 
2020-03-18 9:03:26 PM  
He's dead, Jim.
 
2020-03-18 9:05:01 PM  
Filing for unemployment?
 
2020-03-18 9:05:29 PM  
"It's clear there is no plan," the senior Sanders aide said. "It feels like we're doing a Tulsi Gabbard."

I'm picturing this

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2020-03-18 9:09:23 PM  

Wookie Milson: He's dead, Jim.


Biden has fallen into Bernie's trap and now Bernie will strike, like Thunderball!
 
2020-03-18 9:11:45 PM  
It's not really a hard decision. Unless they're getting paid. It's hard to give up a paycheck.
 
2020-03-18 9:12:00 PM  

Tannhauser: Wookie Milson: He's dead, Jim.

Biden has fallen into Bernie's trap and now Bernie will strike, like Thunderball!


It's Bernie ... so Thunderballs
 
2020-03-18 9:15:17 PM  
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2020-03-18 9:15:27 PM  
Biden should start reaching out to Bernie's staffers and start hiring.  Bernie does have infrastructure and those staffers could help solidify support for Biden going into the general.
 
2020-03-18 9:16:05 PM  
He looks much younger in person...
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2020-03-18 9:18:05 PM  
Bernie, I love you man, but it's time. With this virus people are scared, and the primaries are now basically over even if they aren't over.

Trump scared people enough to be willing to try something new. But now a bonafide disaster is here and you know how people are going to react to that? Not by wanting to take more chances, but by wanting something familiar and more... pedestrian.

Biden will win the nomination now. He was already on his way to, but now you gotta be pretty blind to human nature - and devoid of any self-awareness - to not realize the primary is going to be a total blowout in Biden's favor now. So don't fark this up, don't drag this out. I voted for you in 2016 man, I'd have loved to vote for you in a general election... but it's time to step aside. Sorry, it isn't going to happen, America just isn't cool or smart enough.

Do what's right, step aside, and support Biden and help wreck the Republicans this fall.
 
2020-03-18 9:21:07 PM  
That "doing a Tulsi Gabbard" does not involve an indecent act with a pineapple in a vat of borscht is the biggest surprise from that article.
 
2020-03-18 9:21:22 PM  

mdarius: "It's clear there is no plan," the senior Sanders aide said. "It feels like we're doing a Tulsi Gabbard."

I'm picturing this

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Feelings of superiority, but no plan? From this campaign? That doesn't sound right.
 
2020-03-18 9:23:26 PM  
Biden's "insurmountable lead" consists of delegates from deep-red Trump states.

Sanders holds a solid lead in delegates from blue and swing states.
 
2020-03-18 9:24:25 PM  
I have created an artist's rendition of what is currently going in in the Bernster's HQ.

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2020-03-18 9:26:12 PM  
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2020-03-18 9:28:06 PM  

BuckTurgidson: Biden's "insurmountable lead" consists of delegates from deep-red Trump states.

Sanders holds a solid lead in delegates from blue and swing states.


You mean like Michigan where Biden won every county?
 
2020-03-18 9:29:56 PM  

Brandi Morgan: BuckTurgidson: Biden's "insurmountable lead" consists of delegates from deep-red Trump states.

Sanders holds a solid lead in delegates from blue and swing states.

You mean like Michigan where Biden won every county?


Yes.  That gave Biden 72 delegates to Sanders' 49.

The Democratic Party state primaries aren't winner-take-all.
 
2020-03-18 9:30:18 PM  

BuckTurgidson: Biden's "insurmountable lead" consists of delegates from deep-red Trump states.

Sanders holds a solid lead in delegates from blue and swing states.


Really?

Florida and Michigan would like a word.
 
2020-03-18 9:31:36 PM  

BuckTurgidson: Biden's "insurmountable lead" consists of delegates from deep-red Trump states.

Sanders holds a solid lead in delegates from blue and swing states.


Sure, Jan.
 
2020-03-18 9:32:48 PM  

theflatline: BuckTurgidson: Biden's "insurmountable lead" consists of delegates from deep-red Trump states.

Sanders holds a solid lead in delegates from blue and swing states.

Really?

Florida and Michigan would like a word.


I am charitably enough counting Florida as a "swing state" even though Biden would lose it to Trump.
 
2020-03-18 9:32:50 PM  

BuckTurgidson: Biden's "insurmountable lead" consists of delegates from deep-red Trump states.

Sanders holds a solid lead in delegates from blue and swing states.


This isn't even remotely true. Of the contests, I'd classify these as blue/swing states:

NH, NV, CA, CO, MA, MN, NC, VA, VT, MI, WA, AZ, FL, IL.

Biden leads by about 150 delegates in those states.
 
2020-03-18 9:35:57 PM  
Just end it.
 
2020-03-18 9:36:04 PM  

BuckTurgidson: theflatline: BuckTurgidson: Biden's "insurmountable lead" consists of delegates from deep-red Trump states.

Sanders holds a solid lead in delegates from blue and swing states.

Really?

Florida and Michigan would like a word.

I am charitably enough counting Florida as a "swing state" even though Biden would lose it to Trump.


There are a lot of Never Trumper's here and Trump voters who would vote for Biden over Bernie.
 
2020-03-18 9:36:39 PM  
Bernie is trying to save lives during the global pandemic by encouraging the same people the rest of America is trying to keep home to turn out to vote for him in primaries he won't win.
 
2020-03-18 9:37:44 PM  

Albino Squid: BuckTurgidson: Biden's "insurmountable lead" consists of delegates from deep-red Trump states.

Sanders holds a solid lead in delegates from blue and swing states.

This isn't even remotely true. Of the contests, I'd classify these as blue/swing states:

NH, NV, CA, CO, MA, MN, NC, VA, VT, MI, WA, AZ, FL, IL.

Biden leads by about 150 delegates in those states.


You're missing the point. Bernie can't fail; he can only be failed.
 
2020-03-18 9:40:07 PM  
BMulligan:
You're missing the point. Bernie can't fail; he can only be failed.

Ah, true. Add basic addition to the list of things that have failed Bernie, and thus America.
 
2020-03-18 9:40:50 PM  

ElwoodCuse: [Fark user image 425x196]


I have to ask, is this a prediction or is it what you are hoping for?
 
2020-03-18 9:41:04 PM  
Good night, sweet prince.

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2020-03-18 9:41:48 PM  
November will prove to be a very educational month, as we drink the tears of the Trump supporters and Berniebusters and find that they taste the same.
 
2020-03-18 9:44:25 PM  

Albino Squid: BuckTurgidson: Biden's "insurmountable lead" consists of delegates from deep-red Trump states.

Sanders holds a solid lead in delegates from blue and swing states.

This isn't even remotely true. Of the contests, I'd classify these as blue/swing states:

NH, NV, CA, CO, MA, MN, NC, VA, VT, MI, WA, AZ, FL, IL.

Biden leads by about 150 delegates in those states.


Gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you a bit there, but even with those, I count Sanders up by 30.

I'm using delegate counts from CNN's election center, if you have fresher numbers please share.

Meanwhile, Biden is up 130 in IA, SC, AL, AR, NC, OK, TN, TX, UT, ID, MI, MS, ND, and AZ.
 
2020-03-18 9:46:16 PM  

BuckTurgidson: Albino Squid: BuckTurgidson: 

Meanwhile, Biden is up 130 in IA, SC, AL, AR, NC, OK, TN, TX, UT, ID, MI, MS, ND, and AZ.


... none of which he could conceivably win in the general election.
 
2020-03-18 9:47:57 PM  
BuckTurgidson:
Gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you a bit there, but even with those, I count Sanders up by 30.

I'm using delegate counts from CNN's election center, if you have fresher numbers please share.

Meanwhile, Biden is up 130 in IA, SC, AL, AR, NC, OK, TN, TX, UT, ID, MI, MS, ND, and AZ.


My dude, you're really going to have to do some math here. Think about this for a moment: Biden is up by almost 300 delegates. If he's up by 130 in the solid red states you listed, where do you think the rest of his lead came from?
 
2020-03-18 9:48:57 PM  

ElwoodCuse: [Fark user image image 425x196]


These memes will surely turn the tide. Awesome meme!
 
2020-03-18 9:52:50 PM  

Albino Squid: BuckTurgidson:
Gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you a bit there, but even with those, I count Sanders up by 30.

I'm using delegate counts from CNN's election center, if you have fresher numbers please share.

Meanwhile, Biden is up 130 in IA, SC, AL, AR, NC, OK, TN, TX, UT, ID, MI, MS, ND, and AZ.

My dude, you're really going to have to do some math here. Think about this for a moment: Biden is up by almost 300 delegates. If he's up by 130 in the solid red states you listed, where do you think the rest of his lead came from?


Dude, I'm hovering over the states at the CNN election center page and adding them up.

My math could be wrong, of course.

Where's "300" come from?
 
2020-03-18 10:01:02 PM  
BuckTurgidson:

Dude, I'm hovering over the states at the CNN election center page and adding them up.

My math could be wrong, of course.

Where's "300" come from?


https://interactives.ap.org/delegate-​t​racker/

Biden has 1180 delegates. Sanders has 885. That is a difference of 295 delegates.
 
2020-03-18 10:04:20 PM  

Albino Squid: BuckTurgidson:

Dude, I'm hovering over the states at the CNN election center page and adding them up.

My math could be wrong, of course.

Where's "300" come from?

https://interactives.ap.org/delegate-t​racker/

Biden has 1180 delegates. Sanders has 885. That is a difference of 295 delegates.


Cool, thanks.
 
2020-03-18 10:11:53 PM  

BuckTurgidson: Biden's "insurmountable lead" consists of delegates from deep-red Trump states.

Sanders holds a solid lead in delegates from blue and swing states.


That's a lot of nonsense.  Five blue states have gone so far, Vermont, Massachusetts, California, Washington and Illinois.  From those five states Biden and Sanders are actually tied at 343 delegates each, though some of the delegate totals are still preliminary, so it's possible Sanders is technically leading by a few delegates in blue states, but describing that as a "solid lead" is BS.

When it comes to swing states, though, Sanders is way behind.  The predicted swing states for 2020 that have gone so far are Arizona, Florida, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, and North Carolina.  Biden has the delegate lead in those states 350 to 204.  Three more states that are considered competitive, but not necessarily swing states have also gone: Virginia, Nevada, and Colorado.  Biden has the delegate lead in those three states 87 to 76.  Now, you might say Virginia should be counted as a blue state and not a competitive/swing state, but shifting Virginia over to the blue state column still doesn't move the numbers enough to give Sanders the swing-state delegate lead.  Plus is you count Virginia as a blue state and not a swing state, then Biden takes the delegate lead in blue states in addition to the delegate lead in swing states.
 
2020-03-18 10:16:42 PM  
BuckTurgidson:
Cool, thanks.

So, having accepted that your premise was completely erroneous, and that Biden runs even with Sanders in deep blue states, and is crushing him in swing states as well as red ones, I presume you're far happier with Biden as the nominee? Not going to simply find another reason to believe that Biden is electoral poison and double down, surely?
 
2020-03-18 10:19:23 PM  

BuckTurgidson: Albino Squid: BuckTurgidson:

Dude, I'm hovering over the states at the CNN election center page and adding them up.

My math could be wrong, of course.

Where's "300" come from?

https://interactives.ap.org/delegate-t​racker/

Biden has 1180 delegates. Sanders has 885. That is a difference of 295 delegates.

Cool, thanks.


By the AP's count, Sanders still leads Biden in delegates from blue and swing states by double digits.
 
2020-03-18 10:26:12 PM  
BuckTurgidson:
By the AP's count, Sanders still leads Biden in delegates from blue and swing states by double digits.

How. How.How can you believe this is possible. You tallied a lead of 130 in red states. He has a total lead of 295.

WHERE DOES THE OTHER 165 COME FROM!? Is there some other category of states that are not red, not blue, and not somewhere between red and blue. ARE THERE YELLOW STATES!? Maybe a nice taupe? For the love of god, please tell me how 295 - 130 can equal a number below zero!
 
2020-03-18 10:29:20 PM  

BuckTurgidson: Albino Squid: BuckTurgidson: Biden's "insurmountable lead" consists of delegates from deep-red Trump states.

Sanders holds a solid lead in delegates from blue and swing states.

This isn't even remotely true. Of the contests, I'd classify these as blue/swing states:

NH, NV, CA, CO, MA, MN, NC, VA, VT, MI, WA, AZ, FL, IL.

Biden leads by about 150 delegates in those states.

Gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you a bit there, but even with those, I count Sanders up by 30.

I'm using delegate counts from CNN's election center, if you have fresher numbers please share.

Meanwhile, Biden is up 130 in IA, SC, AL, AR, NC, OK, TN, TX, UT, ID, MI, MS, ND, and AZ.


Math isn't your thing is it? Also, it doesn't matter. Delegates are delegates in the primaries. Bernie doesn't have enough. That's just reality.
 
2020-03-18 10:34:39 PM  

BuckTurgidson: Biden's "insurmountable lead" consists of delegates from deep-red Trump states.

Sanders holds a solid lead in delegates from blue and swing states.


Biden's "insurmountable lead" is 327 delegates.  He needs 900 to get the nomination.  Bernie needs 1213 - where are they going to come from?

Let's look at some of the upcoming states and the latest polling:
State               #Delegates   Polling (% points)
New York            274           Biden +19
New jersey          126           Biden +19
Pennsylvania      186           Biden + 28
Ohio                     136          Biden +24
Georgia                105          Biden +38
Wisconsin             84           Biden +14

I don't see Sander's gaining much ground here.  Even if Biden only gets half of those, that almost 500 delegates
 
2020-03-18 10:38:08 PM  

Albino Squid: BuckTurgidson:

Dude, I'm hovering over the states at the CNN election center page and adding them up.

My math could be wrong, of course.

Where's "300" come from?

https://interactives.ap.org/delegate-​t​racker/

Biden has 1180 delegates. Sanders has 885. That is a difference of 295 delegates.


Counting US States while wishing better respect for territories etc...

IA, NH, SC, AL, AK, NC, OK, TN, TX, UT, ID, MS, MI, ND, AZ, OH:
Biden: 380, Sanders: 243.

NV, CA, CO, ME, MS, MN, VT, VA, MI, WA, FL (lol), IL:
Biden: 249, Sanders: 287.
 
2020-03-18 10:42:26 PM  
BuckTurgidson:
IA, NH, SC, AL, AK, NC, OK, TN, TX, UT, ID, MS, MI, ND, AZ, OH:
Biden: 380, Sanders: 243.

NV, CA, CO, ME, MS, MN, VT, VA, MI, WA, FL (lol), IL:
Biden: 249, Sanders: 287.


Okay, cool. Now, a question for you: isn't it weird that, when you sum the delegate counts for the two candidates from your numbers above, you end up with numbers wildly different from their actual delegate count? Is that maybe something that causes you a moment's pause? You have Biden with 629 delegates, and Sanders with 530. You have misplaced 551 of Biden's delegates, and 355 of Sanders'. American Samoa does not award 900 delegates, so I'm at a loss to figure out where you've gone so badly astray.
 
2020-03-18 10:46:16 PM  

Albino Squid: BuckTurgidson:
IA, NH, SC, AL, AK, NC, OK, TN, TX, UT, ID, MS, MI, ND, AZ, OH:
Biden: 380, Sanders: 243.

NV, CA, CO, ME, MS, MN, VT, VA, MI, WA, FL (lol), IL:
Biden: 249, Sanders: 287.

Okay, cool. Now, a question for you: isn't it weird that, when you sum the delegate counts for the two candidates from your numbers above, you end up with numbers wildly different from their actual delegate count? Is that maybe something that causes you a moment's pause? You have Biden with 629 delegates, and Sanders with 530. You have misplaced 551 of Biden's delegates, and 355 of Sanders'. American Samoa does not award 900 delegates, so I'm at a loss to figure out where you've gone so badly astray.


Cool.

I've cited numbers from CNN and your provided link from the AP.

If you have better sources for "actual" delegate counts, please be transparent and share them here.

In your next post if that would not unduly inconvenience you.
 
2020-03-18 10:47:33 PM  
Oh god, I think I figured it out. You only counted the delegate totals for the winner of each state, and simply threw away the delegates of the loser, didn't you. Thus, in your accounting, Sanders got 216 delegates in California, and Biden's 165 were simply Thanos-snapped out of existence. That's...that's not right. That's not how that works.
 
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