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2020-03-18 9:58:45 AM  
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2020-03-18 10:24:35 AM  
He will not be missed.
 
2020-03-18 10:50:20 AM  
Just further proof that the DNC isn't rigging anything against progressives, you just need to out there and run for things and win votes.
 
2020-03-18 5:08:03 PM  
Yay! More of this, please.
 
2020-03-18 5:11:02 PM  
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2020-03-18 5:12:28 PM  
Ugh, my former district. He's a democrat in name only and supports over 95% of republican policies.
/Also super corrupt.
//don't be surprised if he goes down in a FBI corruption probe.
 
2020-03-18 5:14:23 PM  
Its Jerry! They're everywhere, they ambushed us while we were searching for toilet psper
 
2020-03-18 5:14:35 PM  
Progressive Marie Newman won a rematch Tuesday with Illinois Rep. Dan Lipinski, unseating one of the most conservative Democrats in Congress in a victory for abortion-rights and women's groups that have targeted the eight-term congressman for years.

Good.  Now let's watch the Fark Moderates™ tell us how she has zero chances in November.

That never gets old.
 
2020-03-18 5:14:41 PM  

SlashBlot: Ugh, my former district. He's a democrat in name only and supports over 95% of republican policies.
/Also super corrupt.
//don't be surprised if he goes down in a FBI corruption probe.


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2020-03-18 5:16:58 PM  

Gubbo: Just further proof that the DNC isn't rigging anything against progressives, you just need to out there and run for things and win votes.


Good to know we can judge the presidential primaries based on one Illinois primary election amdist a global pandemic that in no way could sway voters, at this very current moment

Yep, nothing after Jimmy Carter till now is worth talking aboot, like how old the entire DNC leadership is.
 
2020-03-18 5:18:42 PM  
Lipinski, 53, opposes abortion rights and voted against the Affordable Care Act, President Barack Obama's 2010 health care overhaul.

Yeah, bye.
 
2020-03-18 5:19:09 PM  
RIP
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2020-03-18 5:19:20 PM  

Gubbo: Just further proof that the DNC isn't rigging anything against progressives, you just need to out there and run for things and win votes.


The DCCC on the other hand can eat a big bowl of dicks.

/I get the idea of protecting conservative Democrats in red districts but Lipinksi's district is solidly blue.
 
2020-03-18 5:20:06 PM  
He was endorsed by the AFL-CIO as well as the Chicago police and fire unions, and he criticized Newman and her supporters as too extreme.

even for IL that just screams machine politics.
 
2020-03-18 5:24:15 PM  
I was told that Bernie & AOC are the sole progressives in the country, thus Bernie's defeat means that we'll have to wait at least another 2 generations to improve society.
 
2020-03-18 5:26:30 PM  

whidbey: Good. Now let's watch the Fark Moderates™ tell us how she has zero chances in November.


Eh, just like AoC winning her seat - if the candidate matches the district it works. The only concern with AoC was whether she could wield the influence her predecessor did. Given what a national figure she has become, the answer seems like it is a "yes".

Don't always try to run further left candidates in conservative districts, but if by all means do it where it makes sense.
 
2020-03-18 5:27:59 PM  

whidbey: Progressive Marie Newman won a rematch Tuesday with Illinois Rep. Dan Lipinski, unseating one of the most conservative Democrats in Congress in a victory for abortion-rights and women's groups that have targeted the eight-term congressman for years.

Good.  Now let's watch the Fark Moderates™ tell us how she has zero chances in November.

That never gets old.


She does, that is how you gain the power and support required to win a presidential election: building a coalition from the bottom up. A couple of dozen more reps, a few Senators and a reliable voting bloc, and progressives may have a chance at winning the presidency. Trying to skip to the last step doesn't work, Bernie refuses to learn that lesson.
 
2020-03-18 5:28:45 PM  
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2020-03-18 5:31:18 PM  

max_pooper: whidbey: Progressive Marie Newman won a rematch Tuesday with Illinois Rep. Dan Lipinski, unseating one of the most conservative Democrats in Congress in a victory for abortion-rights and women's groups that have targeted the eight-term congressman for years.

Good.  Now let's watch the Fark Moderates™ tell us how she has zero chances in November.

That never gets old.

She does, that is how you gain the power and support required to win a presidential election: building a coalition from the bottom up. A couple of dozen more reps, a few Senators and a reliable voting bloc, and progressives may have a chance at winning the presidency. Trying to skip to the last step doesn't work, Bernie refuses to learn that lesson.


Bernie sanders has a lot to do with Talib and AOC ?

So huh ?
 
2020-03-18 5:32:51 PM  
She's our AOC v 2.0. Hope there's more of them coming around.
 
2020-03-18 5:39:31 PM  

OptimisticCynicism: whidbey: Good. Now let's watch the Fark Moderates™ tell us how she has zero chances in November.

Eh, just like AoC winning her seat - if the candidate matches the district it works. The only concern with AoC was whether she could wield the influence her predecessor did. Given what a national figure she has become, the answer seems like it is a "yes".

Don't always try to run further left candidates in conservative districts, but if by all means do it where it makes sense.


I'm going to go out on a limb and say "there should be no Conservative Democrats."   They can join the Republican Party.   They've proven to be a liability since the Clinton Years.
 
2020-03-18 5:39:32 PM  

kindms: max_pooper: whidbey: Progressive Marie Newman won a rematch Tuesday with Illinois Rep. Dan Lipinski, unseating one of the most conservative Democrats in Congress in a victory for abortion-rights and women's groups that have targeted the eight-term congressman for years.

Good.  Now let's watch the Fark Moderates™ tell us how she has zero chances in November.

That never gets old.

She does, that is how you gain the power and support required to win a presidential election: building a coalition from the bottom up. A couple of dozen more reps, a few Senators and a reliable voting bloc, and progressives may have a chance at winning the presidency. Trying to skip to the last step doesn't work, Bernie refuses to learn that lesson.

Bernie sanders has a lot to do with Talib and AOC ?

So huh ?


AOC has stated she does not endorse Sanders for the Democratic nomination. Not much of a coalition there. The sooner Bernie gets out of the way the sooner the progressive movement can actually move forward.
 
2020-03-18 5:41:35 PM  
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Picking a new fight can deliver desired outcomes. Imagine that.

Also imagine if rather than fighting for another candidate they believe in they had quit politics in a huff, for the remainder of the year, imagining they were "teaching the DNC a lesson".
 
2020-03-18 5:42:13 PM  

Gubbo: Just further proof that the DNC isn't rigging anything against progressives, you just need to out there and run for things and win votes.


The DNC was supporting him in this race and for years despite his record and him only becoming a Dem to win the seat. But sure there's nothing objectionable or rigged about supporting someone who opposes everything you say you stand for instead of the progressive who does. Cause that makes sense.
 
2020-03-18 5:42:44 PM  

max_pooper: kindms: max_pooper: whidbey: Progressive Marie Newman won a rematch Tuesday with Illinois Rep. Dan Lipinski, unseating one of the most conservative Democrats in Congress in a victory for abortion-rights and women's groups that have targeted the eight-term congressman for years.

Good.  Now let's watch the Fark Moderates™ tell us how she has zero chances in November.

That never gets old.

She does, that is how you gain the power and support required to win a presidential election: building a coalition from the bottom up. A couple of dozen more reps, a few Senators and a reliable voting bloc, and progressives may have a chance at winning the presidency. Trying to skip to the last step doesn't work, Bernie refuses to learn that lesson.

Bernie sanders has a lot to do with Talib and AOC ?

So huh ?

AOC has stated she does not endorse Sanders for the Democratic nomination. Not much of a coalition there. The sooner Bernie gets out of the way the sooner the progressive movement can actually move forward.


she worked for bernie before she ran for office.

and she did endorse Sanders a few months ago. Maybe she changed her mind but she was campaigning with him.

but whatever
 
2020-03-18 5:43:38 PM  

max_pooper: kindms: max_pooper: whidbey: Progressive Marie Newman won a rematch Tuesday with Illinois Rep. Dan Lipinski, unseating one of the most conservative Democrats in Congress in a victory for abortion-rights and women's groups that have targeted the eight-term congressman for years.

Good.  Now let's watch the Fark Moderates™ tell us how she has zero chances in November.

That never gets old.

She does, that is how you gain the power and support required to win a presidential election: building a coalition from the bottom up. A couple of dozen more reps, a few Senators and a reliable voting bloc, and progressives may have a chance at winning the presidency. Trying to skip to the last step doesn't work, Bernie refuses to learn that lesson.

Bernie sanders has a lot to do with Talib and AOC ?

So huh ?

AOC has stated she does not endorse Sanders for the Democratic nomination. Not much of a coalition there. The sooner Bernie gets out of the way the sooner the progressive movement can actually move forward.


Yeah, guess progressives should pack it in and put their eyes on 2024.  I agree, 2020 is lost for anyone who wants a better future.
 
2020-03-18 5:45:30 PM  

max_pooper: kindms: max_pooper: whidbey: Progressive Marie Newman won a rematch Tuesday with Illinois Rep. Dan Lipinski, unseating one of the most conservative Democrats in Congress in a victory for abortion-rights and women's groups that have targeted the eight-term congressman for years.

Good.  Now let's watch the Fark Moderates™ tell us how she has zero chances in November.

That never gets old.

She does, that is how you gain the power and support required to win a presidential election: building a coalition from the bottom up. A couple of dozen more reps, a few Senators and a reliable voting bloc, and progressives may have a chance at winning the presidency. Trying to skip to the last step doesn't work, Bernie refuses to learn that lesson.

Bernie sanders has a lot to do with Talib and AOC ?

So huh ?

AOC has stated she does not endorse Sanders for the Democratic nomination. Not much of a coalition there. The sooner Bernie gets out of the way the sooner the progressive movement can actually move forward.


Everyone look, it's someone who actually fell for that Sun article. You shouldn't just gobble up and repeat information just because it's negative about Bernie.
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2020-03-18 5:56:47 PM  

whidbey: Progressive Marie Newman won a rematch Tuesday with Illinois Rep. Dan Lipinski, unseating one of the most conservative Democrats in Congress in a victory for abortion-rights and women's groups that have targeted the eight-term congressman for years.

Good.  Now let's watch the Fark Moderates™ tell us how she has zero chances in November.

That never gets old.


There was another article that mentioned that she should easily coast to victory in the deep blue seat. Accept that most moderates are happy when progressives take over winnable seats, and that the evil moderate boot on your neck is just your own lack of farking voting.

Also, observe the fact that she actually WON her primary. Crazy, right? The person that earned the most vosts advancing from the primary to general. America, what a country!
 
2020-03-18 5:59:18 PM  

whidbey: OptimisticCynicism: whidbey: Good. Now let's watch the Fark Moderates™ tell us how she has zero chances in November.

Eh, just like AoC winning her seat - if the candidate matches the district it works. The only concern with AoC was whether she could wield the influence her predecessor did. Given what a national figure she has become, the answer seems like it is a "yes".

Don't always try to run further left candidates in conservative districts, but if by all means do it where it makes sense.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say "there should be no Conservative Democrats."   They can join the Republican Party.   They've proven to be a liability since the Clinton Years.


Dunno

Manchin helped torpedo the ACA repeal and he voted to Impeach, as did Doug Jones

Then again, Kavanaugh. You take the good with the bad
 
2020-03-18 6:00:16 PM  

LurkLongAndProsper: Accept that most moderates are happy when progressives take over winnable seats, and that the evil moderate boot on your neck is just your own lack of farking voting.


Um, no.

I vote in every election, and I don't know that.  Moderates hate progressives, they were livid when AOC upset their Centrist favorite.

Don't patronize me, k?
 
2020-03-18 6:02:05 PM  

LandOfChocolate: whidbey: OptimisticCynicism: whidbey: Good. Now let's watch the Fark Moderates™ tell us how she has zero chances in November.

Eh, just like AoC winning her seat - if the candidate matches the district it works. The only concern with AoC was whether she could wield the influence her predecessor did. Given what a national figure she has become, the answer seems like it is a "yes".

Don't always try to run further left candidates in conservative districts, but if by all means do it where it makes sense.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say "there should be no Conservative Democrats."   They can join the Republican Party.   They've proven to be a liability since the Clinton Years.

Dunno

Manchin helped torpedo the ACA repeal and he voted to Impeach, as did Doug Jones

Then again, Kavanaugh. You take the good with the bad


I will not be held hostage by conservative Democrats anymore.  Maybe you will.

I won't.  And the only reason I'm voting for Biden is because I don't want Trump in there.
 
2020-03-18 6:03:27 PM  
How are you being held hostage by someone who votes with you 50% of the time vs someone who votes with you 0% of the time?
 
2020-03-18 6:06:29 PM  

whidbey: LurkLongAndProsper: Accept that most moderates are happy when progressives take over winnable seats, and that the evil moderate boot on your neck is just your own lack of farking voting.

Um, no.

I vote in every election, and I don't know that.  Moderates hate progressives, they were livid when AOC upset their Centrist favorite.

Don't patronize me, k?


who was livid?
 
2020-03-18 6:08:27 PM  

Gubbo: Just further proof that the DNC isn't rigging anything against progressives, you just need to out there and run for things and win votes.


He was supported by the PAC Women Speak Out. Known to support Republicans in favor of Democrats. Which means it's a bullshiat group.

Nancy Pelosi is against any primarying against incumbent Democrats which includes Lipinski "Backed by Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and other party leaders, these voices are urging Democrats to stick together, protect their incumbents and embrace the diversity of views - even conservative ones - that could pay dividends in battleground districts next year."

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/46​2​408-democrats-rally-behind-incumbents-​as-lipinski-takes-liberal-fire
 
2020-03-18 6:08:51 PM  

LurkLongAndProsper: whidbey: Progressive Marie Newman won a rematch Tuesday with Illinois Rep. Dan Lipinski, unseating one of the most conservative Democrats in Congress in a victory for abortion-rights and women's groups that have targeted the eight-term congressman for years.

Good.  Now let's watch the Fark Moderates™ tell us how she has zero chances in November.

That never gets old.

There was another article that mentioned that she should easily coast to victory in the deep blue seat. Accept that most moderates are happy when progressives take over winnable seats, and that the evil moderate boot on your neck is just your own lack of farking voting.

Also, observe the fact that she actually WON her primary. Crazy, right? The person that earned the most vosts advancing from the primary to general. America, what a country!


"If your opinion was really that popular, you should have voted more. You only have yourselves to blame" is what Republicans said 4 years ago.
 
2020-03-18 6:10:57 PM  

LandOfChocolate: How are you being held hostage by someone who votes with you 50% of the time vs someone who votes with you 0% of the time?


Look.  I'm not going to defend these unstable Blue Dog Types.

They can go to farking hell, OK?

You can't depend on them.
 
2020-03-18 6:11:14 PM  

numbers17: Gubbo: Just further proof that the DNC isn't rigging anything against progressives, you just need to out there and run for things and win votes.

He was supported by the PAC Women Speak Out. Known to support Republicans in favor of Democrats. Which means it's a bullshiat group.

Nancy Pelosi is against any primarying against incumbent Democrats which includes Lipinski "Backed by Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and other party leaders, these voices are urging Democrats to stick together, protect their incumbents and embrace the diversity of views - even conservative ones - that could pay dividends in battleground districts next year."

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/462​408-democrats-rally-behind-incumbents-​as-lipinski-takes-liberal-fire


Additional note.

They make it very clear they do not like incumbents challenged and they are actively looking to upset AOC. The Democratic Party, wrongly, sees progressivism as a liability to the party itself. For too long progressives went along with the Democratic party wants and needs, but now that they are growing in numbers all those that are in power are looking to keep that power.

Cause that's what people in power do.

So instead of moving further to the left they decide that they need to balance power and keep these down ballot farkwads happy so that they may vote when they really need them when in reality all they are is a liability to the party.
 
2020-03-18 6:12:04 PM  
If only someone had challenged Bustos too.
 
2020-03-18 6:12:20 PM  

holyflurkingschnitt: whidbey: LurkLongAndProsper: Accept that most moderates are happy when progressives take over winnable seats, and that the evil moderate boot on your neck is just your own lack of farking voting.

Um, no.

I vote in every election, and I don't know that.  Moderates hate progressives, they were livid when AOC upset their Centrist favorite.

Don't patronize me, k?

who was livid?


Winning a primary isn't enough. You have to, well I don't know what more you need to do to make certain farkers happy
 
2020-03-18 6:14:59 PM  

whidbey: OptimisticCynicism: whidbey: Good. Now let's watch the Fark Moderates™ tell us how she has zero chances in November.

Eh, just like AoC winning her seat - if the candidate matches the district it works. The only concern with AoC was whether she could wield the influence her predecessor did. Given what a national figure she has become, the answer seems like it is a "yes".

Don't always try to run further left candidates in conservative districts, but if by all means do it where it makes sense.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say "there should be no Conservative Democrats."   They can join the Republican Party.   They've proven to be a liability since the Clinton Years.


Heh. I'm not affiliated with any party and never have been. Just because one party decided to jump off the deep end doesn't mean I am going to support them because you don't think I'm pure enough to have electoral impact.

What you are saying is that we should have told conservative Democrats to vote for Roy Moore because there is no place for them in the party.
 
2020-03-18 6:17:06 PM  

OptimisticCynicism: whidbey: OptimisticCynicism: whidbey: Good. Now let's watch the Fark Moderates™ tell us how she has zero chances in November.

Eh, just like AoC winning her seat - if the candidate matches the district it works. The only concern with AoC was whether she could wield the influence her predecessor did. Given what a national figure she has become, the answer seems like it is a "yes".

Don't always try to run further left candidates in conservative districts, but if by all means do it where it makes sense.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say "there should be no Conservative Democrats."   They can join the Republican Party.   They've proven to be a liability since the Clinton Years.

Heh. I'm not affiliated with any party and never have been. Just because one party decided to jump off the deep end doesn't mean I am going to support them because you don't think I'm pure enough to have electoral impact.

What you are saying is that we should have told conservative Democrats to vote for Roy Moore because there is no place for them in the party.


Slight different take.

He doesn't see a distinction between a conservative Democrat who would support only 80% of what he does and Roy Moore.
 
2020-03-18 6:17:48 PM  
wow, we interpret that very differently.  but ok.  just remember in the grown up world people do actually have different tolerances and needs to be met and a lot of time compromise works.  Other times people don't want to burn a bridge.  but do you
 
2020-03-18 6:21:25 PM  

OptimisticCynicism: whidbey: OptimisticCynicism: whidbey: Good. Now let's watch the Fark Moderates™ tell us how she has zero chances in November.

Eh, just like AoC winning her seat - if the candidate matches the district it works. The only concern with AoC was whether she could wield the influence her predecessor did. Given what a national figure she has become, the answer seems like it is a "yes".

Don't always try to run further left candidates in conservative districts, but if by all means do it where it makes sense.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say "there should be no Conservative Democrats."   They can join the Republican Party.   They've proven to be a liability since the Clinton Years.

Heh. I'm not affiliated with any party and never have been. Just because one party decided to jump off the deep end doesn't mean I am going to support them because you don't think I'm pure enough to have electoral impact.

What you are saying is that we should have told conservative Democrats to vote for Roy Moore because there is no place for them in the party.


You run with that.
 
2020-03-18 6:22:36 PM  

Gubbo: OptimisticCynicism: whidbey: OptimisticCynicism: whidbey: Good. Now let's watch the Fark Moderates™ tell us how she has zero chances in November.

Eh, just like AoC winning her seat - if the candidate matches the district it works. The only concern with AoC was whether she could wield the influence her predecessor did. Given what a national figure she has become, the answer seems like it is a "yes".

Don't always try to run further left candidates in conservative districts, but if by all means do it where it makes sense.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say "there should be no Conservative Democrats."   They can join the Republican Party.   They've proven to be a liability since the Clinton Years.

Heh. I'm not affiliated with any party and never have been. Just because one party decided to jump off the deep end doesn't mean I am going to support them because you don't think I'm pure enough to have electoral impact.

What you are saying is that we should have told conservative Democrats to vote for Roy Moore because there is no place for them in the party.

Slight different take.

He doesn't see a distinction between a conservative Democrat who would support only 80% of what he does and Roy Moore.


No, I'm making it clear I'm sick of this centrist bullshiat, and I don't appreciate being held hostage by it.

I'm sick of this game plan that doesn't work.   I will vote for Biden, but that's about it.

I will not defend this capitulation anymore.
 
2020-03-18 6:24:03 PM  
We have a progressive trying to unseat a Representative in Nebraska this November. Don Bacon won votes because he was a veteran in the region that SAC and Offut AFB is at. Eastman nearly took his seat last time, and he isn't any more popular now.

Stranger things have happened. Sasse hasn't exactly helped his chances by rejecting Coronavirus aid bills and making his platform about the evils of socialism in the wake of a viral pandemic that will shatter the economy.
 
2020-03-18 6:24:58 PM  

whidbey: Gubbo: OptimisticCynicism: whidbey: OptimisticCynicism: whidbey: Good. Now let's watch the Fark Moderates™ tell us how she has zero chances in November.

Eh, just like AoC winning her seat - if the candidate matches the district it works. The only concern with AoC was whether she could wield the influence her predecessor did. Given what a national figure she has become, the answer seems like it is a "yes".

Don't always try to run further left candidates in conservative districts, but if by all means do it where it makes sense.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say "there should be no Conservative Democrats."   They can join the Republican Party.   They've proven to be a liability since the Clinton Years.

Heh. I'm not affiliated with any party and never have been. Just because one party decided to jump off the deep end doesn't mean I am going to support them because you don't think I'm pure enough to have electoral impact.

What you are saying is that we should have told conservative Democrats to vote for Roy Moore because there is no place for them in the party.

Slight different take.

He doesn't see a distinction between a conservative Democrat who would support only 80% of what he does and Roy Moore.

No, I'm making it clear I'm sick of this centrist bullshiat, and I don't appreciate being held hostage by it.

I'm sick of this game plan that doesn't work.   I will vote for Biden, but that's about it.

I will not defend this capitulation anymore.


We're sorry you're angry.
 
2020-03-18 6:28:17 PM  

quiotu: We're sorry you're angry.


Anger is virtue.
 
2020-03-18 6:34:33 PM  

holyflurkingschnitt: whidbey: LurkLongAndProsper: Accept that most moderates are happy when progressives take over winnable seats, and that the evil moderate boot on your neck is just your own lack of farking voting.

Um, no.

I vote in every election, and I don't know that.  Moderates hate progressives, they were livid when AOC upset their Centrist favorite.

Don't patronize me, k?

who was livid?


Here is one of the original AOC threads. A handful of people are concerned™ about her stances on Israel/Palestine and abolishing ICE. Only the Republicans get really nasty about it.
 
2020-03-18 6:37:13 PM  

Gubbo: OptimisticCynicism: whidbey: OptimisticCynicism: whidbey: Good. Now let's watch the Fark Moderates™ tell us how she has zero chances in November.

Eh, just like AoC winning her seat - if the candidate matches the district it works. The only concern with AoC was whether she could wield the influence her predecessor did. Given what a national figure she has become, the answer seems like it is a "yes".

Don't always try to run further left candidates in conservative districts, but if by all means do it where it makes sense.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say "there should be no Conservative Democrats."   They can join the Republican Party.   They've proven to be a liability since the Clinton Years.

Heh. I'm not affiliated with any party and never have been. Just because one party decided to jump off the deep end doesn't mean I am going to support them because you don't think I'm pure enough to have electoral impact.

What you are saying is that we should have told conservative Democrats to vote for Roy Moore because there is no place for them in the party.

Slight different take.

He doesn't see a distinction between a conservative Democrat who would support only 80% of what he does and Roy Moore.


It ends up at the same place. Black voters literally do not feel welcome in the Republican party(for obvious reasons). That means that the conservative subset of black voters(which is not small because they are cautious from the rest of us screwing them over for centuries) largely chooses the Democratic primary field as their set of options. If all of the options are too far left for them to be excited about, then you end up with with unmotivated voters that don't show up at polls.

Regardless of what their ideology is, anyone that is outside of even plausible viability among a district's constituency should not be a party candidate. That doesn't mean we can't regularly update what we think is viable or that we can't get tired of officials that are lagging too far behind their districts though.

I think the case in the article is a clear case of the party insiders wanting a candidate that clearly was outside of the range of acceptability of their voters. I don't entirely fault the insiders for favoring a known quantity, but they were clearly wrong and it is a good thing that the incumbent is getting the boot.
 
2020-03-18 6:42:27 PM  

OptimisticCynicism: Gubbo: OptimisticCynicism: whidbey: OptimisticCynicism: whidbey: Good. Now let's watch the Fark Moderates™ tell us how she has zero chances in November.

Eh, just like AoC winning her seat - if the candidate matches the district it works. The only concern with AoC was whether she could wield the influence her predecessor did. Given what a national figure she has become, the answer seems like it is a "yes".

Don't always try to run further left candidates in conservative districts, but if by all means do it where it makes sense.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say "there should be no Conservative Democrats."   They can join the Republican Party.   They've proven to be a liability since the Clinton Years.

Heh. I'm not affiliated with any party and never have been. Just because one party decided to jump off the deep end doesn't mean I am going to support them because you don't think I'm pure enough to have electoral impact.

What you are saying is that we should have told conservative Democrats to vote for Roy Moore because there is no place for them in the party.

Slight different take.

He doesn't see a distinction between a conservative Democrat who would support only 80% of what he does and Roy Moore.

It ends up at the same place. Black voters literally do not feel welcome in the Republican party(for obvious reasons). That means that the conservative subset of black voters(which is not small because they are cautious from the rest of us screwing them over for centuries) largely chooses the Democratic primary field as their set of options. If all of the options are too far left for them to be excited about, then you end up with with unmotivated voters that don't show up at polls.

Regardless of what their ideology is, anyone that is outside of even plausible viability among a district's constituency should not be a party candidate. That doesn't mean we can't regularly update what we think is viable or that we can't get tired of officials that are lagging too far behind their districts though.

I think the case in the article is a clear case of the party insiders wanting a candidate that clearly was outside of the range of acceptability of their voters. I don't entirely fault the insiders for favoring a known quantity, but they were clearly wrong and it is a good thing that the incumbent is getting the boot.


If you want to run as the leftist progressive in a conservative district, knock yourself out. I can't see you winning your primary but I'm fine with you running.

I just can't take it with the crying when you lose.
 
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