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2020-03-16 10:49:16 PM  
Laying them off might be the best thing. They can collect unemployment. Trump better hope more companies don't follow this lead though.
 
2020-03-16 10:57:28 PM  
I would fire them all too. Restaurants don't make that much money.
 
2020-03-16 11:03:01 PM  
This is near me:
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2020-03-16 11:06:53 PM  
Ok,so unemployment numbers are going to be bigly
 
2020-03-16 11:07:54 PM  

cretinbob: Ok,so unemployment numbers are going to be bigly


Yup
 
2020-03-16 11:37:23 PM  

dr_blasto: This is near me:
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farking hell
 
2020-03-17 12:30:38 AM  
I'm thinking if the restaurant shutdown lasts two weeks, 25% of the independent restaurants in the country won't survive.

Four weeks, 50%, and 20% of the chain locations.

Two months, probably 80% of the independents and 50% of the chains.

If it lasts until July or August, like Trump suggested today?  There might be a few McDonald's, Burger Kings, and Wendy's still around.  Probably everything else will be gone.

That's not me overreacting, that's how the restaurant industry works.  I've known of restaurants that closed down because of power outages that destroyed their perishable stock and left them unable to open to two or three days--a lot of places operate on margins that are just that thin.  How many places could survive being closed for four or five months?
 
2020-03-17 1:34:01 AM  

The Third Man: I'm thinking if the restaurant shutdown lasts two weeks, 25% of the independent restaurants in the country won't survive.

Four weeks, 50%, and 20% of the chain locations.

Two months, probably 80% of the independents and 50% of the chains.

If it lasts until July or August, like Trump suggested today?  There might be a few McDonald's, Burger Kings, and Wendy's still around.  Probably everything else will be gone.

That's not me overreacting, that's how the restaurant industry works.  I've known of restaurants that closed down because of power outages that destroyed their perishable stock and left them unable to open to two or three days--a lot of places operate on margins that are just that thin.  How many places could survive being closed for four or five months?


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2020-03-17 3:34:10 AM  
We raided the fridge together for the perishables, loading bags with short rib, broccolini, whole branzinos, and panna cotta. We debated if butter would last out the quarantine, if the cheese was worth taking. We drank all the open wine.

"We then sacrificed the virginal General Manager to Baal, had an orgy and set fire to the building"
 
2020-03-17 3:54:07 AM  

The Third Man: I'm thinking if the restaurant shutdown lasts two weeks, 25% of the independent restaurants in the country won't survive.

Four weeks, 50%, and 20% of the chain locations.

Two months, probably 80% of the independents and 50% of the chains.

If it lasts until July or August, like Trump suggested today?  There might be a few McDonald's, Burger Kings, and Wendy's still around.  Probably everything else will be gone.

That's not me overreacting, that's how the restaurant industry works.  I've known of restaurants that closed down because of power outages that destroyed their perishable stock and left them unable to open to two or three days--a lot of places operate on margins that are just that thin.  How many places could survive being closed for four or five months?


The upside is, the govt will bail out the real estate developers and land owners for the rent they lost.

Trump and his band of grifting scumbags are going to try and cash in on this in ways we've barely imagined right now.

I have a feeling they'll act so recklessly and callously they might see they're sowing the seeds of a revolution and will pull back while the guillotine guys are still in new-hire orientation.
 
2020-03-17 6:52:47 AM  
A small burger place owes me $1,400.  They have 3 tables, mostly do deliveries and live upstiars so they might be ok.  I did talk to the owner about how to protect the workers (which now will be just his wife) from the crowds so they have a plan.  The are very close to a university that closed so that isn't good either.

My club has every function for the next month except two canceled as of yesterday.  One cancelation was 3 months away.
 
2020-03-17 7:03:53 AM  

cretinbob: Laying them off might be the best thing. They can collect unemployment. Trump better hope more companies don't follow this lead though.


FTFA:  As a foreigner on a work visa, I also don't qualify for government assistance.
 
2020-03-17 7:12:11 AM  

dr_blasto: cretinbob: Ok,so unemployment numbers are going to be bigly

Yup


Yup, I'm sure a lot of service industry folks are going to be in the same boat. We are seeing it in other professions too. I'm a dental hygienist and a lot of offices are firing staff due being closed. This is going to be worse than 2008 in terms of unemployment.
 
2020-03-17 7:31:28 AM  
My joint closed up 30 locations yesterday. We did a LOT of inventory yesterday, and we're going to finish up today, and it sucks. It sucks to tell people you care about, and who you work with that they're laid off for three weeks, and that's because we build teams. We like to invest in our crews, we promote heavily from within, and that builds up crews with a deep understanding of how we do things, what is expected, and who can go from one location to another with fair ease on top of that. We're not turn and burn, so we need that.

I know that not every place does this. Not just because their menu is different, but because some folks think of their employees as replaceable. That works to a degree, if you want to be constantly training new people, never knowing if you have reliable crew, and are constantly having to watch said crew because you're not really sure where their loyalties lie. It's a style of doing business. It's not a great one, and it means high turn over, it means pilferage to outright theft, it leads to folks just not giving a f*ck, and that shows up in your product and your joint. No thanks.

We are going to reopen in a few weeks, and when we do, we're going to have to gear up to get the place back up to speed. Lots of prep, lots of work to get the line back into shape--turning off gas lines often leads to little hiccups you don't want when you're up and running. It's going to be a fun few days to prep EVERYTHING all over again, and get everything organized properly, and get in product, and get everyone back up to speed on the line after a few weeks. Trying to do that with new hires on top of all that? No thank you. It's a short sighted sort of plan, and it only works if you absolutely don't get give a rat's ass about your team. Which people get when you tell them that they're being let go, instead of laid off. You take care of your teams when there's a crisis, and they take care of you. If you can't get that, then no amount of tut-tutting is going to change it, but y'all motherf*ckers need Jesus...
 
2020-03-17 7:33:19 AM  
I'm so farked. It hasn't got here yet but it wont be long. And then, I'll be travelling again. I thought I'd found a safe place to settle but soon I wont have a job I've fought hard to do well at.
Soon I'll just be another immigrant trying for another job because this country just . Doesent. Work.
 
2020-03-17 7:41:38 AM  
...and having read TFA: our Dear Author has no idea what laid off means. Then again, she is also apparently from "Away" and is an entirely different boat than a lot of folks.

Her restaurant didn't fire the staff. They laid them off, and are going to pick them back up when this mess sorts itself out. Her restaurant owners aren't jerks, they are complying with the state instructions, and like most places, they can't afford to give them all vacation time during the break.

It doesn't change my earlier post entirely, because there are folks who are going to take advantage of this to clear house, but these folks don't deserve anyone's ire.
 
2020-03-17 7:43:29 AM  
Western economies have seen a shift in employment to the service industry over the last few decades and most of those people are expendable in a crisis.  Most of those people will be completely farked by this.  If there was ever a time for social programs it is now.
 
2020-03-17 7:44:05 AM  

hubiestubert: ...and having read TFA: our Dear Author has no idea what laid off means. Then again, she is also apparently from "Away" and is an entirely different boat than a lot of folks.

Her restaurant didn't fire the staff. They laid them off, and are going to pick them back up when this mess sorts itself out. Her restaurant owners aren't jerks, they are complying with the state instructions, and like most places, they can't afford to give them all vacation time during the break.

It doesn't change my earlier post entirely, because there are folks who are going to take advantage of this to clear house, but these folks don't deserve anyone's ire.


I really respect you as a farker and I always appreciate your opinions. But I must ask what profession you're in at the moment?
My kitchen is shutting down , and as, for now, none have even mentioned the cv, none get squat. Maybe different policies for different countries perhaps?
 
2020-03-17 7:54:09 AM  
My job is safe until all the pharmacists need to be quarantined and we can't legally operate. So far, the restaurants in my county can do drive thru, takeout, and delivery.

I'll be buying some emotional support donuts for my coworkers before I go in. Veera makes some fantastic stuff.
 
2020-03-17 8:10:38 AM  

The Third Man: If it lasts until July or August, like Trump suggested today?  There might be a few McDonald's, Burger Kings, and Wendy's still around.  Probably everything else will be gone.


Actually, we know which one survives already:

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2020-03-17 8:14:52 AM  

JasonOfOrillia: Western economies have seen a shift in employment to the service industry over the last few decades and most of those people are expendable in a crisis.  Most of those people will be completely farked by this.  If there was ever a time for social programs it is now.


I just love this attitude.

"Hey, let's ship all of our manufacturing jobs to Mexico and China, so that we get cheap consumer products, which people need because they no longer have good paying factory jobs, just service jobs, so that when the economy tanks, we can just fire them, so that we can put into place a shiat-ton of social programs that we wouldn't have needed in the first place if we didn't outsource most of our good-paying jobs to the country that caused this global pandemic in the first place!".
 
2020-03-17 8:18:30 AM  

hubiestubert: We are going to reopen in a few weeks


That's pretty optimistic.
 
2020-03-17 8:19:40 AM  

bekovich: hubiestubert: ...and having read TFA: our Dear Author has no idea what laid off means. Then again, she is also apparently from "Away" and is an entirely different boat than a lot of folks.

Her restaurant didn't fire the staff. They laid them off, and are going to pick them back up when this mess sorts itself out. Her restaurant owners aren't jerks, they are complying with the state instructions, and like most places, they can't afford to give them all vacation time during the break.

It doesn't change my earlier post entirely, because there are folks who are going to take advantage of this to clear house, but these folks don't deserve anyone's ire.

I really respect you as a farker and I always appreciate your opinions. But I must ask what profession you're in at the moment?
My kitchen is shutting down , and as, for now, none have even mentioned the cv, none get squat. Maybe different policies for different countries perhaps?


Chef without a kitchen right now. We all got laid off as of yesterday. Filing for unemployment insurance in about another twenty minutes or so, and we'll be picking up the pieces in a few weeks. Laid off means, in the US, that you still have a job, as soon as there is work for you. It's an odd limbo in employment law here, because most of the time it waives the employment search aspect of going on unemployment insurance. It's a temporary situation, and it's one that you've already paid into. I'm not sure how that works in the UK, but here, being laid off is supposed to be a temporary situation, when there is a work slow down, there is some sort of calamity, or the like. It isn't being fired, and as soon as there is work for everyone, they get called back. In the case of restaurant workers...no one is working in the industry for the most part. And the folks who will be working...they're worried as heck because they know that it's precarious, and their employer may just take the knee for a few weeks to save money.

No matter what, it's a sh*tty situation, all around, but it is dire for our Dear Author in that she doesn't meet Federal requirements for unemployment insurance--which suggests that she's not a full time employee, hasn't been at the job long enough to accrue benefits, or a number of other issues, but many guest workers ARE covered under these programs, and they've paid into the fund and most are eligible to draw from it. Her observation that undocumented workers, and those under the table are boned...well, that's pretty much true no matter what. Illegal employment runs those risks, and the folks who are employing illegal labor...they aren't exactly doing it because they're champions of the plucky little guy, but because those workers are entirely disposable.
 
2020-03-17 8:28:17 AM  

dittybopper: JasonOfOrillia: Western economies have seen a shift in employment to the service industry over the last few decades and most of those people are expendable in a crisis.  Most of those people will be completely farked by this.  If there was ever a time for social programs it is now.

I just love this attitude.

"Hey, let's ship all of our manufacturing jobs to Mexico and China, so that we get cheap consumer products, which people need because they no longer have good paying factory jobs, just service jobs, so that when the economy tanks, we can just fire them, so that we can put into place a shiat-ton of social programs that we wouldn't have needed in the first place if we didn't outsource most of our good-paying jobs to the country that caused this global pandemic in the first place!".


Would need the programs even then, the current structure of the economy just makes it worse.  Will turn a recession into a depression.
 
2020-03-17 8:29:09 AM  

dittybopper: JasonOfOrillia: Western economies have seen a shift in employment to the service industry over the last few decades and most of those people are expendable in a crisis.  Most of those people will be completely farked by this.  If there was ever a time for social programs it is now.

I just love this attitude.

"Hey, let's ship all of our manufacturing jobs to Mexico and China, so that we get cheap consumer products, which people need because they no longer have good paying factory jobs, just service jobs, so that when the economy tanks, we can just fire them, so that we can put into place a shiat-ton of social programs that we wouldn't have needed in the first place if we didn't outsource most of our good-paying jobs to the country that caused this global pandemic in the first place!".


But hey, capitalism right?
 
2020-03-17 8:34:51 AM  

hubiestubert: bekovich: hubiestubert: ...and having read TFA: our Dear Author has no idea what laid off means. Then again, she is also apparently from "Away" and is an entirely different boat than a lot of folks.

Her restaurant didn't fire the staff. They laid them off, and are going to pick them back up when this mess sorts itself out. Her restaurant owners aren't jerks, they are complying with the state instructions, and like most places, they can't afford to give them all vacation time during the break.

It doesn't change my earlier post entirely, because there are folks who are going to take advantage of this to clear house, but these folks don't deserve anyone's ire.

I really respect you as a farker and I always appreciate your opinions. But I must ask what profession you're in at the moment?
My kitchen is shutting down , and as, for now, none have even mentioned the cv, none get squat. Maybe different policies for different countries perhaps?

Chef without a kitchen right now. We all got laid off as of yesterday. Filing for unemployment insurance in about another twenty minutes or so, and we'll be picking up the pieces in a few weeks. Laid off means, in the US, that you still have a job, as soon as there is work for you. It's an odd limbo in employment law here, because most of the time it waives the employment search aspect of going on unemployment insurance. It's a temporary situation, and it's one that you've already paid into. I'm not sure how that works in the UK, but here, being laid off is supposed to be a temporary situation, when there is a work slow down, there is some sort of calamity, or the like. It isn't being fired, and as soon as there is work for everyone, they get called back. In the case of restaurant workers...no one is working in the industry for the most part. And the folks who will be working...they're worried as heck because they know that it's precarious, and their employer may just take the knee for a few weeks to save money.

No matter what, it's a sh*tty situation, all around, but it is dire for our Dear Author in that she doesn't meet Federal requirements for unemployment insurance--which suggests that she's not a full time employee, hasn't been at the job long enough to accrue benefits, or a number of other issues, but many guest workers ARE covered under these programs, and they've paid into the fund and most are eligible to draw from it. Her observation that undocumented workers, and those under the table are boned...well, that's pretty much true no matter what. Illegal employment runs those risks, and the folks who are employing illegal labor...they aren't exactly doing it because they're champions of the plucky little guy, but because those workers are entirely disposable.


Thankyou for clarifying.
Apart from my head who will be fine, you're right. The uk has very different laws.  Laid off means sacked, and unless you have a very vicious cdp those people would not get references or help.
Those people will get glowing references but it's not fair or right, dumped then picked up again, none of this is right or fair.
 
2020-03-17 8:40:07 AM  

dittybopper: JasonOfOrillia: Western economies have seen a shift in employment to the service industry over the last few decades and most of those people are expendable in a crisis.  Most of those people will be completely farked by this.  If there was ever a time for social programs it is now.

I just love this attitude.

"Hey, let's ship all of our manufacturing jobs to Mexico and China, so that we get cheap consumer products, which people need because they no longer have good paying factory jobs, just service jobs, so that when the economy tanks, we can just fire them, so that we can put into place a shiat-ton of social programs that we wouldn't have needed in the first place if we didn't outsource most of our good-paying jobs to the country that caused this global pandemic in the first place!".


Those jobs didn't move to low-paying developing countries for shiat and giggles.  It's self-amplifying.  People want every product at the lowest price... if they're not willing to pay for the higher cost of "Made in the USA," companies can only afford to compete by lowering their prices.  Unions might have stemmed the flow on one front (keeping factories from moving) but the result of that would be the collapse of those businesses as their goods go unsold. The only other option is tariffs, and those tend to backfire (encourage retribution and hit exports).

The only real solution I can see is having a "Certified Fair Labor" badge and socially shaming people who ignore it, and even that seems unlikely to catch on.
 
2020-03-17 8:41:38 AM  
bekovich:Thankyou for clarifying.
Apart from my head who will be fine, you're right. The uk has very different laws.  Laid off means sacked, and unless you have a very vicious cdp those people would not get references or help.
Those people will get glowing references but it's not fair or right, dumped then picked up again, none of this is right or fair.


Britain and the US, two nations separated forever by our common language. Good luck. I'll be picking up the pieces in a few weeks but the slog in between is going to ugly. I am NOT looking forward to server crashes on the Mass.gov site today.
 
2020-03-17 8:45:57 AM  
I don't know if this has been said in this thread yet...

Restaurants are FAR more critical to this society than we realize.  I don't have the numbers on hand, but I know that there are some millions of people in this country that either don't know how to prepare their own food, or simply lack the facilities to do so.

Not everyone knows how to cook.  Not everyone has even a microwave.  Those people rely on prepared food to survive.

If anything, restaurants, take out in particular, are needed as much as grocery stores right now.
 
2020-03-17 9:25:19 AM  
The first restaurant discussed in this article is within walking distance of my house.  I've gone there once every two weeks for the last 12 years and it's always packed.  Now, they're talking about just staying open.

https://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-new​s​/georgia-restaurants-struggle-business​es-and-workers-edge/KHgFarQChuRSqXVESo​kgxJ/

This is important to note:
Meanwhile, pain in the restaurant sector will not stay in the restaurant sector. The state's restaurants were on track this year to account for $25 billion in sales, according to the Georgia Restaurant Association. And those 19,700 restaurants buy supplies from myriad other companies that sell everything from food to paper goods.
"I don't need food prepped that we are not going to sell," said Atherholt of Taqueria el Vecino. "If we are not selling steaks, then the meat supplier's butcher has no work."


And it goes beyond that.  People not working don't buy things and consumer spending is the thing that is buoying this economy.  They also don't pay their rent or their mortgage on time.  This makes all those rental properties a lot less profitable.  Which lowers property values, which kills the ability of people to get HELOCs and cash-out refis for renovations.  Wow, this thing is really going to hurt.
 
2020-03-17 9:26:52 AM  

durbnpoisn: I don't know if this has been said in this thread yet...

Restaurants are FAR more critical to this society than we realize.  I don't have the numbers on hand, but I know that there are some millions of people in this country that either don't know how to prepare their own food, or simply lack the facilities to do so.

Not everyone knows how to cook.  Not everyone has even a microwave.  Those people rely on prepared food to survive.

If anything, restaurants, take out in particular, are needed as much as grocery stores right now.


Yup. My local grocer has a well stocked produce section and the butcher counter is still in ok shape - but the frozen microwave meals are completely cleared out

I don't think it's panicked preppers so much as people freaking out about having to make their own food
 
2020-03-17 9:32:03 AM  

montreal_medic: durbnpoisn: I don't know if this has been said in this thread yet...

Restaurants are FAR more critical to this society than we realize.  I don't have the numbers on hand, but I know that there are some millions of people in this country that either don't know how to prepare their own food, or simply lack the facilities to do so.

Not everyone knows how to cook.  Not everyone has even a microwave.  Those people rely on prepared food to survive.

If anything, restaurants, take out in particular, are needed as much as grocery stores right now.

Yup. My local grocer has a well stocked produce section and the butcher counter is still in ok shape - but the frozen microwave meals are completely cleared out

I don't think it's panicked preppers so much as people freaking out about having to make their own food


That's so weird.  At Publix on Saturday, the produce section was wiped out.  Not just the root vegetables, but all the tomatoes and all the fruit (except blood oranges which is weird because they're awesome).  The frozen food section was stocked.  All the dry pasta was gone, but the rice was fully stocked.  All the canned tomatoes were in stock too.  Also, there was tons of bacon.  Bacon lasts a long time in the fridge.  I don't see why someone would buy all those fresh tomatoes and not buy bacon.

There's this thing in panic buying where people start buying what everyone else is buying.  I read about it yesterday.  That's what is being attributed to the toilet paper panic.
 
2020-03-17 9:41:14 AM  

Rapmaster2000: That's so weird.  At Publix on Saturday, the produce section was wiped out.  Not just the root vegetables, but all the tomatoes and all the fruit (except blood oranges which is weird because they're awesome).  The frozen food section was stocked.  All the dry pasta was gone, but the rice was fully stocked.  All the canned tomatoes were in stock too.  Also, there was tons of bacon.  Bacon lasts a long time in the fridge.  I don't see why someone would buy all those fresh tomatoes and not buy bacon.

There's this thing in panic buying where people start buying what everyone else is buying.  I read about it yesterday.  That's what is being attributed to the toilet paper panic.


You may also be seeing what's been recently restocked versus what hasn't. Items won't rise back in a distributed manner; it's piecewise by item.
 
2020-03-17 9:46:55 AM  
On great, so restaurants ruled out.
Fark.
So what the hell are you guys cooking for dinner? I'd love to see recipes using up your fresh stuff before going on to preserved stuff
 
2020-03-17 10:03:10 AM  

katrina_666: dr_blasto: cretinbob: Ok,so unemployment numbers are going to be bigly

Yup

Yup, I'm sure a lot of service industry folks are going to be in the same boat. We are seeing it in other professions too. I'm a dental hygienist and a lot of offices are firing staff due being closed. This is going to be worse than 2008 in terms of unemployment.


They need to pay people to stay home and make banks eat one month of car/cc/mortgage payments. Just take a 30 to 60 day pause on that stuff.
 
2020-03-17 10:05:32 AM  

Izunbacol: dittybopper: JasonOfOrillia: Western economies have seen a shift in employment to the service industry over the last few decades and most of those people are expendable in a crisis.  Most of those people will be completely farked by this.  If there was ever a time for social programs it is now.

I just love this attitude.

"Hey, let's ship all of our manufacturing jobs to Mexico and China, so that we get cheap consumer products, which people need because they no longer have good paying factory jobs, just service jobs, so that when the economy tanks, we can just fire them, so that we can put into place a shiat-ton of social programs that we wouldn't have needed in the first place if we didn't outsource most of our good-paying jobs to the country that caused this global pandemic in the first place!".

Those jobs didn't move to low-paying developing countries for shiat and giggles.  It's self-amplifying.  People want every product at the lowest price... if they're not willing to pay for the higher cost of "Made in the USA," companies can only afford to compete by lowering their prices.  Unions might have stemmed the flow on one front (keeping factories from moving) but the result of that would be the collapse of those businesses as their goods go unsold. The only other option is tariffs, and those tend to backfire (encourage retribution and hit exports).

The only real solution I can see is having a "Certified Fair Labor" badge and socially shaming people who ignore it, and even that seems unlikely to catch on.


The problem inherent in your view is that you're looking at it from a purely economic standpoint.

I've been arguing for *YEARS* that it's not an economic problem, it's a strategic problem.

If you are beholden to a single country for much of your imports, including things like the stuff you need to make solid rocket fuel for your missiles, and for almost all of your electronics, either the complete items or components, you're clothing and fabrics, and a myriad of other products, then if that country decides it doesn't like what you're doing, it can do things like stop selling them to you.

China has been positioning itself in just that way, not just with the US but with other nations as well.   That's what their "Belt and Road Initiative" is all about.

The PRC is intentionally positioning itself to replace the US as the World's major superpower, and it believes that it can do so in this century.

Because they have continuity of government in a way that the US doesn't, they can continue to press this advantage into the future unchanged.  The US couldn't:  Since I was first old enough to vote, we've had 4 Republican presidents and 2 Democratic ones, and control of the House of Representatives has changed 4 times, and the Senate has changed hands 6 times.

In the mean time, the Chinese Communist Party has remained solidly in control of China since 1949.   Whether it's actually communist now is irrelevant:  Same party, and same basic hegemonic goals.
 
2020-03-17 10:07:23 AM  
I'm really worried about all my favorite small local restaurants.  Went to one under the wire of closing last night and left a 40% tip.  We're planning to keep getting takeout from those who offer it.  We're leaving the chain restaurants to fend for themselves which might not be fair but they are more likely to survive being partially shut down.
 
2020-03-17 10:42:04 AM  

dr_blasto: katrina_666: dr_blasto: cretinbob: Ok,so unemployment numbers are going to be bigly

Yup

Yup, I'm sure a lot of service industry folks are going to be in the same boat. We are seeing it in other professions too. I'm a dental hygienist and a lot of offices are firing staff due being closed. This is going to be worse than 2008 in terms of unemployment.

They need to pay people to stay home and make banks eat one month of car/cc/mortgage payments. Just take a 30 to 60 day pause on that stuff.


That would be the right thing to do, so I doubt that it will occur.
 
2020-03-17 11:08:34 AM  
There are going to be a lot of shiatty new blogs starting up.
 
2020-03-17 11:10:40 AM  

DON.MAC: A small burger place owes me $1,400.  They have 3 tables, mostly do deliveries and live upstiars so they might be ok.


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2020-03-17 11:21:12 AM  
When a company goes under I wouldn't put that in the same category as 'fired all of their staff'.
 
2020-03-17 11:53:19 AM  

bekovich: On great, so restaurants ruled out.
Fark.
So what the hell are you guys cooking for dinner? I'd love to see recipes using up your fresh stuff before going on to preserved stuff


I'm not going to be making this tonight because it takes too long to cook, but it's a great comfort-food dinner from over 200 years ago.

1796 Beef Steak Pie - Dutch Oven Baking
Youtube d8hhRbd41rA


I use a modern oven, set at 300 degrees Fahrvergnugen, for 2 hours and 45 minutes.
 
2020-03-17 1:51:25 PM  

Rapmaster2000: montreal_medic: durbnpoisn: I don't know if this has been said in this thread yet...

Restaurants are FAR more critical to this society than we realize.  I don't have the numbers on hand, but I know that there are some millions of people in this country that either don't know how to prepare their own food, or simply lack the facilities to do so.

Not everyone knows how to cook.  Not everyone has even a microwave.  Those people rely on prepared food to survive.

If anything, restaurants, take out in particular, are needed as much as grocery stores right now.

Yup. My local grocer has a well stocked produce section and the butcher counter is still in ok shape - but the frozen microwave meals are completely cleared out

I don't think it's panicked preppers so much as people freaking out about having to make their own food

That's so weird.  At Publix on Saturday, the produce section was wiped out.  Not just the root vegetables, but all the tomatoes and all the fruit (except blood oranges which is weird because they're awesome).  The frozen food section was stocked.  All the dry pasta was gone, but the rice was fully stocked.  All the canned tomatoes were in stock too.  Also, there was tons of bacon.  Bacon lasts a long time in the fridge.  I don't see why someone would buy all those fresh tomatoes and not buy bacon.

There's this thing in panic buying where people start buying what everyone else is buying.  I read about it yesterday.  That's what is being attributed to the toilet paper panic.


Just left Kwik Trip. Got the last load of bread, last pound of bananas, and maybe a third of the remaining potatoes. All onions, tomatoes, and avocados were gone. Fresh meat was pretty well stocked still, but most of the prepared hot stuff was gone. Milk shelf was about half empty.

When I stopped at the grocery store last week all pasta, sauces, rice (other than bulk rice), chicken, and beef (roast and ground) were totally gone.

Meat prices, of what is available at least, still isn't too bad, so I'm planning on going this weekend to find what I can, divide it up, and freeze in meal-ready portions.
 
2020-03-17 2:25:26 PM  

mattgsx: Rapmaster2000: montreal_medic: durbnpoisn: I don't know if this has been said in this thread yet...

Restaurants are FAR more critical to this society than we realize.  I don't have the numbers on hand, but I know that there are some millions of people in this country that either don't know how to prepare their own food, or simply lack the facilities to do so.

Not everyone knows how to cook.  Not everyone has even a microwave.  Those people rely on prepared food to survive.

If anything, restaurants, take out in particular, are needed as much as grocery stores right now.

Yup. My local grocer has a well stocked produce section and the butcher counter is still in ok shape - but the frozen microwave meals are completely cleared out

I don't think it's panicked preppers so much as people freaking out about having to make their own food

That's so weird.  At Publix on Saturday, the produce section was wiped out.  Not just the root vegetables, but all the tomatoes and all the fruit (except blood oranges which is weird because they're awesome).  The frozen food section was stocked.  All the dry pasta was gone, but the rice was fully stocked.  All the canned tomatoes were in stock too.  Also, there was tons of bacon.  Bacon lasts a long time in the fridge.  I don't see why someone would buy all those fresh tomatoes and not buy bacon.

There's this thing in panic buying where people start buying what everyone else is buying.  I read about it yesterday.  That's what is being attributed to the toilet paper panic.

Just left Kwik Trip. Got the last load of bread, last pound of bananas, and maybe a third of the remaining potatoes. All onions, tomatoes, and avocados were gone. Fresh meat was pretty well stocked still, but most of the prepared hot stuff was gone. Milk shelf was about half empty.

When I stopped at the grocery store last week all pasta, sauces, rice (other than bulk rice), chicken, and beef (roast and ground) were totally gone.

Meat prices, of what is available at least, still isn't too bad, so I'm planning on going this weekend to find what I can, divide it up, and freeze in meal-ready portions.


I've got decent freezer stock at least, since we tend to slow cook or bbq (crockpot and pellet smoker) a lot of food for the deep freeze when we have time. I was more concerned with fruit and veg if it came it it
 
2020-03-17 2:30:36 PM  
The Third Man:

If it lasts until July or August, like Trump suggested today?  There might be a few McDonald's, Burger Kings, and Wendy's still around.  Probably everything else will be gone.

There will only be Taco Bell
 
2020-03-17 3:24:12 PM  
Of course, the Slate article doesn't mention anything about unemployment insurance claims. New York has that, doesn't it?
 
2020-03-17 3:26:21 PM  
Oh wait, I just got to that part of the article. Never mind - sucks to be them.
 
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