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(Vox)   A whole week later, Bernie Sanders is finally declared the winner of the CA Primary   (vox.com) divider line
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2020-03-12 6:56:13 PM  
I can't wait to see how the Biden-Bots try to spin this as meaningless and insignificant, nor any kind of reflection on what Americans really want.
 
2020-03-12 6:57:34 PM  
I think Bernie is, and rightly should, have a significant impact on the party platform, even though he won't have the most delegates. I think COVID has, if anything, highlighted the need for truly universal healthcare, even if it isn't single-payer... we need it now, and it's a matter that we can't settle for half-measures on.
 
2020-03-12 6:58:26 PM  
Amazing how it takes forever to give Bernie a win, but with Joe he gets declared the winner in just seconds.
 
2020-03-12 7:00:33 PM  
Biden should win the vote.

That being said it's what, 801-650 right now?

It's not neck and neck, and it's also not the blowout I was 'led to believe Biden has'.

Now how's that Medicare for all sound after that 1.5 trillion was flushed down the drain?  Doesn't seem so expensive to me in the face of a half trillion cost to administer the coronavirus test.

If only someone had been talking about getting everyone healthcare access for the last 4 years.

Where was Biden in 2016?  Waiting his turn?
 
2020-03-12 7:01:11 PM  
So let me get this out here right now before the Biden Bots swarm it.

We are in the middle of a global pandemic that can and may well cause death on a scale unseen since World War II. The pandemic is almost certain to trigger a global depression and threaten millions' more lives in the wake of it.

The United States of America is uniquely vulnerable to this pandemic, thanks to its lack of universal health care and infrastructure. That is thanks to privatized health insurance.

You support a candidate who wants to keep privatized health insurance.
 
2020-03-12 7:01:17 PM  
Woo...
 
2020-03-12 7:02:19 PM  
I saw this NPR article and I found it kind of heartening--Sanders apparently wants to stay in the race and debate not necessarily because he thinks he's going to win, but because America and in particular Biden himself need to hear his arguments and listen to the needs of the populace.  People like and dislike Sanders, but if nothing else, he's a man who stands up for what he thinks is right and he's willing to fight for it no matter how much people might hate him or be annoyed by him for doing so.

Change doesn't happen from being polite and letting people stay comfortable.
 
2020-03-12 7:03:53 PM  

that bosnian sniper: So let me get this out here right now before the Biden Bots swarm it.

We are in the middle of a global pandemic that can and may well cause death on a scale unseen since World War II. The pandemic is almost certain to trigger a global depression and threaten millions' more lives in the wake of it.

The United States of America is uniquely vulnerable to this pandemic, thanks to its lack of universal health care and infrastructure. That is thanks to privatized health insurance.

You support a candidate who wants to keep privatized health insurance.


You don't understand. They posted snake emojis.
 
2020-03-12 7:04:22 PM  

firefly212: I think Bernie is, and rightly should, have a significant impact on the party platform, even though he won't have the most delegates. I think COVID has, if anything, highlighted the need for truly universal healthcare, even if it isn't single-payer... we need it now, and it's a matter that we can't settle for half-measures on.


The hard part is getting Republicans on board with a plan which would involve helping poor people and non-whites. Obviously the easiest way to make it happen is for voters to help the Democrats hold the House and take both the Senate and the Presidency, and tell the Republicans to go get stuffed.
 
2020-03-12 7:04:45 PM  

NephilimNexus: I can't wait to see how the Biden-Bots try to spin this as meaningless and insignificant, nor any kind of reflection on what Americans really want.


that bosnian sniper: So let me get this out here right now before the Biden Bots swarm it.


I guess the talking points were sent out this morning. 😄
 
2020-03-12 7:05:30 PM  
Subby sounds like they think that this is some incredible conspiracy and not the obvious consequence of mail in voting. November is gonna be fun now that PA has it as well.
 
2020-03-12 7:05:33 PM  

Corvus: I guess the talking points were sent out this morning. 😄


You support a candidate in favor of protecting private health insurance in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak.
 
2020-03-12 7:05:57 PM  

NephilimNexus: I can't wait to see how the Biden-Bots try to spin this as meaningless and insignificant, nor any kind of reflection on what Americans really want.


Yeaaaaah! Take that, student loans!
 
2020-03-12 7:06:28 PM  

that bosnian sniper: The United States of America is uniquely vulnerable to this pandemic, thanks to its lack of universal health care and infrastructure. That is thanks to privatized health insurance.


Do not understand you can have Universal Healthcare with PRIVATE healthcare too?

In fact lots of Europe does?
 
2020-03-12 7:06:59 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Corvus: I guess the talking points were sent out this morning. 😄

You support a candidate in favor of protecting private health insurance in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak.


OK. So?

Much of Europe has Private health care. So what?
 
2020-03-12 7:07:06 PM  

Corvus: that bosnian sniper: The United States of America is uniquely vulnerable to this pandemic, thanks to its lack of universal health care and infrastructure. That is thanks to privatized health insurance.

Do not understand you can have Universal Healthcare with PRIVATE healthcare too?

In fact lots of Europe does?


You support a candidate in favor of protecting private health insurance in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak.
 
2020-03-12 7:07:29 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Corvus: I guess the talking points were sent out this morning. 😄

You support a candidate in favor of protecting private health insurance in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak.


The talking point are out and the Bernie Bros are sticking their head in the sand to realities of the world we actually live in.
 
2020-03-12 7:08:23 PM  

max_pooper: The talking point are out and the Bernie Bros are sticking their head in the sand to realities of the world we actually live in.


You support a candidate in favor of protecting private health insurance in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak.
 
2020-03-12 7:08:41 PM  

that bosnian sniper: You support a candidate in favor of protecting private health insurance in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak.


that bosnian sniper: You support a candidate in favor of protecting private health insurance in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak.


I think your script is broken.

Man they need to work better on these Russian bots.
 
2020-03-12 7:09:06 PM  
Obama was down 300 delegates to Hillary Clinton at this point. Just think of the bullet we dodged there.
 
2020-03-12 7:09:14 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Corvus: I guess the talking points were sent out this morning. 😄

You support a candidate in favor of protecting private health insurance in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak.


The alternative is supporting the guy who hamstrung the airline industry overnight and gave $1.5T to Wall Street, and is treating covid as a financial crisis rather than a medical crisis.
 
2020-03-12 7:09:26 PM  

austerity101: I saw this NPR article and I found it kind of heartening--Sanders apparently wants to stay in the race and debate not necessarily because he thinks he's going to win, but because America and in particular Biden himself need to hear his arguments and listen to the needs of the populace.  People like and dislike Sanders, but if nothing else, he's a man who stands up for what he thinks is right and he's willing to fight for it no matter how much people might hate him or be annoyed by him for doing so.

Change doesn't happen from being polite and letting people stay comfortable.


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2020-03-12 7:09:56 PM  
Hey Russians hit esc your bot is broken.
 
2020-03-12 7:10:20 PM  

Corvus: I think your script is broken.

Man they need to work better on these Russian bots.


No, you need to answer why your candidate continues to protect private health insurance in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak, when that is the very same system that has made the country uniquely vulnerable to it, and why you continue to support him.
 
2020-03-12 7:10:25 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Corvus: that bosnian sniper: The United States of America is uniquely vulnerable to this pandemic, thanks to its lack of universal health care and infrastructure. That is thanks to privatized health insurance.

Do not understand you can have Universal Healthcare with PRIVATE healthcare too?

In fact lots of Europe does?

You support a candidate in favor of protecting private health insurance in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak.


That Biden Bro is on record of hating M4A because it's "unfair to people with jobs". It's just right wing talking points.
 
2020-03-12 7:11:01 PM  

max_pooper: that bosnian sniper: Corvus: I guess the talking points were sent out this morning. 😄

You support a candidate in favor of protecting private health insurance in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak.

The talking point are out and the Bernie Bros are sticking their head in the sand to realities of the world we actually live in.



Realities like the fact that 69% of Americans want a public option, Medicare for all, or both.

But let's talk more about how favoring private insurers is such an electable idea.
 
2020-03-12 7:11:03 PM  

King Something: firefly212: I think Bernie is, and rightly should, have a significant impact on the party platform, even though he won't have the most delegates. I think COVID has, if anything, highlighted the need for truly universal healthcare, even if it isn't single-payer... we need it now, and it's a matter that we can't settle for half-measures on.

The hard part is getting Republicans on board with a plan which would involve helping poor people and non-whites. Obviously the easiest way to make it happen is for voters to help the Democrats hold the House and take both the Senate and the Presidency, and tell the Republicans to go get stuffed.


It's literally do or die... even if we have to trade off some shiatty subsidies that I really don't want, like bailing out oil companies... if that's the deal we gotta make to save the lives of our poorer neighbors, then that's the deal.
 
2020-03-12 7:11:30 PM  

Hallbowski23: Amazing how it takes forever to give Bernie a win, but with Joe he gets declared the winner in just seconds.


When Bernie starts to get wins by 40 points they will call it at poll close.
 
2020-03-12 7:11:34 PM  

King Something: The alternative is supporting the guy who hamstrung the airline industry overnight and gave $1.5T to Wall Street, and is treating covid as a financial crisis rather than a medical crisis.


My alternative is being complicit in none of it and refusing to vote for either. You have no moral authority over me, and your candidate is not entitled to my vote.
 
2020-03-12 7:12:15 PM  

Puglio: max_pooper: that bosnian sniper: Corvus: I guess the talking points were sent out this morning. 😄

You support a candidate in favor of protecting private health insurance in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak.

The talking point are out and the Bernie Bros are sticking their head in the sand to realities of the world we actually live in.


Realities like the fact that 69% of Americans want a public option, Medicare for all, or both.

But let's talk more about how favoring private insurers is such an electable idea.


You know Biden's plan is FOR A PUBLIC OPTION?!?!?
 
2020-03-12 7:12:55 PM  
OMG you guys don't even know Biden's plan has a public option?

You guys really drink the koolaid!!
 
2020-03-12 7:13:31 PM  
This thread never had a chance
 
2020-03-12 7:14:23 PM  

Corvus: You know Biden's plan is FOR A PUBLIC OPTION?!?!?


Biden's plan is to protect private health insurance, a system that has so systemically failed the country that we have no rapid, effective, or proactive response to the coronavirus outbreak while millions will go untreated due to inadequate health care which will exacerbate it.
 
2020-03-12 7:15:47 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Corvus: You know Biden's plan is FOR A PUBLIC OPTION?!?!?

Biden's plan is to protect private health insurance, a system that has so systemically failed the country that we have no rapid, effective, or proactive response to the coronavirus outbreak while millions will go untreated due to inadequate health care which will exacerbate it.


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You you guys are totally broke from reality.
 
2020-03-12 7:15:57 PM  

Puglio: max_pooper: that bosnian sniper: Corvus: I guess the talking points were sent out this morning. 😄

You support a candidate in favor of protecting private health insurance in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak.

The talking point are out and the Bernie Bros are sticking their head in the sand to realities of the world we actually live in.


Realities like the fact that 69% of Americans want a public option, Medicare for all, or both.

But let's talk more about how favoring private insurers is such an electable idea.


Now if only they voted that way...
 
2020-03-12 7:17:00 PM  

that bosnian sniper: You support a candidate in favor of protecting private health insurance in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak.


It's vague, I'll grant. But Biden's ads now say that he will "build on Obamacare." Sounds public optiony to me. But we'll see.
 
2020-03-12 7:17:03 PM  

that bosnian sniper: You support a candidate in favor of protecting private health insurance in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak.


There is no country on earth that bans private health insurance. It's a bad and unnecessary policy. It will be far easier to achieve universal healthcare without it.
 
2020-03-12 7:17:16 PM  

NephilimNexus: I can't wait to see how the Biden-Bots try to spin this as meaningless and insignificant, nor any kind of reflection on what Americans really want.


Cool- Bernie won a majority?  Let's check

Oh wait, he got 34% of the vote.  Basically, the same share of the Democratic electorate he always gets, because it's roughly the fraction of progressive Democrats.  (Plus or minus a bit depending on the state's racial makeup)

The reality is that it gave him +48 delegates over Biden, which *is* really important in the totals so far since it's by far the biggest single pickup he's made.  But Biden more than made that back last Tuesday in the "M" states, and there just aren't many places coming up where Sanders is going to even be competitive.

The Democrats front-loaded the primary season in a way that really favored Sanders
 
2020-03-12 7:17:26 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Obama was down 300 delegates to Hillary Clinton at this point. Just think of the bullet we dodged there.


Or it could have been Hillary 2009-2017, Obama 2017-2025. It's kind of tough predicting a future that didn't happen.
 
2020-03-12 7:17:31 PM  

austerity101: I saw this NPR article and I found it kind of heartening--Sanders apparently wants to stay in the race and debate not necessarily because he thinks he's going to win, but because America and in particular Biden himself need to hear his arguments and listen to the needs of the populace.  People like and dislike Sanders, but if nothing else, he's a man who stands up for what he thinks is right and he's willing to fight for it no matter how much people might hate him or be annoyed by him for doing so.

Change doesn't happen from being polite and letting people stay comfortable.


The high road doesn't always lead to victory (especially where politics are concerned) but Bernie decided he was going to dedicate himself to that road a long time ago. We don't deserve him.
 
2020-03-12 7:17:38 PM  

that bosnian sniper: So let me get this out here right now before the Biden Bots swarm it.

We are in the middle of a global pandemic that can and may well cause death on a scale unseen since World War II. The pandemic is almost certain to trigger a global depression and threaten millions' more lives in the wake of it.

The United States of America is uniquely vulnerable to this pandemic, thanks to its lack of universal health care and infrastructure. That is thanks to privatized health insurance.

You support a candidate who wants to keep privatized health insurance.


So?

There are higher priorities, and expediency and nuance involved with all of them. Get some perspective. It will turn you into a bitter sardonic depressed old fark like me.

And for the record, I supported Warren and Sanders until their supporters demonstrated that they didn't live where we need them to live and even then they still couldn't be bothered to know what a primary was. You did this to yourselves.
 
2020-03-12 7:17:39 PM  

links136: Biden should win the vote.

That being said it's what, 801-650 right now?

It's not neck and neck, and it's also not the blowout I was 'led to believe Biden has'.

Now how's that Medicare for all sound after that 1.5 trillion was flushed down the drain?  Doesn't seem so expensive to me in the face of a half trillion cost to administer the coronavirus test.

If only someone had been talking about getting everyone healthcare access for the last 4 years.

Where was Biden in 2016?  Waiting his turn?


In 2016 he was mourning his dead son.
 
2020-03-12 7:17:52 PM  

Corvus: that bosnian sniper: Corvus: You know Biden's plan is FOR A PUBLIC OPTION?!?!?

Biden's plan is to protect private health insurance, a system that has so systemically failed the country that we have no rapid, effective, or proactive response to the coronavirus outbreak while millions will go untreated due to inadequate health care which will exacerbate it.

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You you guys are totally broke from reality.


Excellent. Thank you.
 
2020-03-12 7:17:58 PM  

Corvus: NephilimNexus: I can't wait to see how the Biden-Bots try to spin this as meaningless and insignificant, nor any kind of reflection on what Americans really want.

that bosnian sniper: So let me get this out here right now before the Biden Bots swarm it.

I guess the talking points were sent out this morning. 😄


Didn't even take you a full 12 hours to forget about your "unity" pledge. Unsurprising.
 
2020-03-12 7:18:06 PM  

links136: Biden should win the vote.

That being said it's what, 801-650 right now?

It's not neck and neck, and it's also not the blowout I was 'led to believe Biden has'.

Now how's that Medicare for all sound after that 1.5 trillion was flushed down the drain?  Doesn't seem so expensive to me in the face of a half trillion cost to administer the coronavirus test.

If only someone had been talking about getting everyone healthcare access for the last 4 years.

Where was Biden in 2016?  Waiting his turn?


His kid died.
 
2020-03-12 7:18:14 PM  

youncasqua: that bosnian sniper: You support a candidate in favor of protecting private health insurance in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak.

It's vague, I'll grant. But Biden's ads now say that he will "build on Obamacare." Sounds public optiony to me. But we'll see.


He has always said it in the campaign.

Just the Bernie bro's lie about his position.
 
2020-03-12 7:18:17 PM  

nytmare: HotWingConspiracy: Obama was down 300 delegates to Hillary Clinton at this point. Just think of the bullet we dodged there.

Or it could have been Hillary 2009-2017, Obama 2017-2025. It's kind of tough predicting a future that didn't happen.


She lost to Donald Trump, McCain would have destroyed her.
 
2020-03-12 7:18:20 PM  

Corvus: that bosnian sniper: The United States of America is uniquely vulnerable to this pandemic, thanks to its lack of universal health care and infrastructure. That is thanks to privatized health insurance.

Do not understand you can have Universal Healthcare with PRIVATE healthcare too?

In fact lots of Europe does?


I understand that.  I also don't give a fark.  They've had their bite at the apple and look at where we are.  No, I'm sorry, you've won capitalism, congratulations! Take your billions in profit and kindly GTFO now.
 
2020-03-12 7:19:11 PM  

Corvus: that bosnian sniper: Corvus: You know Biden's plan is FOR A PUBLIC OPTION?!?!?

Biden's plan is to protect private health insurance, a system that has so systemically failed the country that we have no rapid, effective, or proactive response to the coronavirus outbreak while millions will go untreated due to inadequate health care which will exacerbate it.

[Fark user image 425x412]
You you guys are totally broke from reality.


Joe Biden's plan protects the health care industry.

Joe Biden is receiving contributions from the health care industry.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/09/he​a​lth-care-joe-biden-medicare-for-all

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2019​/​07/20dems-are-taking-money-healthcare/​

https://theintercept.com/2019/10/25/j​o​e-biden-super-pac/

If an international conflict were to have the projected number of casualties coronavirus may have, it would be referred to as genocidal. Why does your candidate protect the health care industry, why does your candidate protect private health insurance, and why do you continue to support him.
 
2020-03-12 7:20:40 PM  
Bernie is done. It's over. I am not sure what he hopes to accomplish by stringing this out, but if this is his only way to get Biden to the table it further demonstrates his inability to practice the most basic of politics and why Bernie wasn't the right candidate for the party.
 
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