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2020-03-12 12:23:02 PM  
Well...
...bye.
 
2020-03-12 12:31:01 PM  
The ideas aren't the problem
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2020-03-12 12:44:56 PM  
The recent underdog added that he disagrees that Biden is the stronger candidate to take on President Trump, "but that is what millions of Democrats and independents today believe."

As far as I know, he never really gave a good reason for believing otherwise.

Most people understand that there are more moderates than progressives and that the average election voter is more moderate than the average Democratic primary voter.  Not to mention the "socialist" thing.

All I ever heard in Bernie's favor was that he and his followers believed that he was more electable not less, for no apparent reason.
 
2020-03-12 2:52:24 PM  
Totally not a cult
 
2020-03-12 2:52:53 PM  
Who cares, they won't vote anyway.
 
2020-03-12 2:53:02 PM  
Let me be very frank as to the questions that I will be asking Joe

Bernie is moderating?
 
2020-03-12 2:54:24 PM  
Is this where people ignore the literal math of who has voted for whom, and instead insist, with extra authoritarianism, that their way is the only true way?

/ not a Biden "supporter"
// old enough to remember 2016 though
 
2020-03-12 2:55:40 PM  

vpb: The recent underdog added that he disagrees that Biden is the stronger candidate to take on President Trump, "but that is what millions of Democrats and independents today believe."

As far as I know, he never really gave a good reason for believing otherwise.

Most people understand that there are more moderates than progressives and that the average election voter is more moderate than the average Democratic primary voter.  Not to mention the "socialist" thing.

All I ever heard in Bernie's favor was that he and his followers believed that he was more electable not less, for no apparent reason.


Polls showing that Bernie would do better against Trump than Biden. Granted that flaming dog poop also has more favorability.

The media has always pushed idea that America (and the truth) is somewhere between Hitler and Stalin. We can't even have a factual, scientific analysis of something without weighing in with some gibbering moonbat. Don't be a goon for clickbait culture.
 
2020-03-12 2:55:55 PM  
Look around you, goddamn right I'm not voting for "I will veto Medicare for all"
 
2020-03-12 2:55:56 PM  

vpb: The recent underdog added that he disagrees that Biden is the stronger candidate to take on President Trump, "but that is what millions of Democrats and independents today believe."

As far as I know, he never really gave a good reason for believing otherwise.

Most people understand that there are more moderates than progressives and that the average election voter is more moderate than the average Democratic primary voter.  Not to mention the "socialist" thing.

All I ever heard in Bernie's favor was that he and his followers believed that he was more electable not less, for no apparent reason.


Because we believe hes a potential Hillary 2.0 and a campaign message of returning to normal is not something that is a winning message at this time.
 
2020-03-12 2:56:33 PM  
"Sanders promised to show up at the debate on Sunday in Arizona...."

Please proceed Senator. Let us know how that debate in Arizona turns out for you.
 
2020-03-12 2:56:36 PM  

fireside68: Is this where people ignore the literal math of who has voted for whom, and instead insist, with extra authoritarianism, that their way is the only true way?

/ not a Biden "supporter"
// old enough to remember 2016 though


No this is where people don't read the article and talk about what they imagined it said.
 
2020-03-12 2:56:59 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Look around you, goddamn right I'm not voting for "I will veto Medicare for all"


I'm pretty sure you've never voted for anything.
 
2020-03-12 2:57:20 PM  

vpb: Bernie's favor was that he and his followers believed that he was more electable not less, for no apparent reason


"No apparent reason" is being kind:  It was delusional from the very beginning.

And I say that as someone who kicked him some bucks in 2016 and voted for him in both primaries just to make a futile effort to move the window back to the left the _slightest_ smidgeon.

Not sure Biden is better, but I sure as shiat hope I'm wrong.  Thanks to decades of effort by the t(R)eason party in a vast number of different approaches, the (D) candidate _has_ to make people not just eager to vote, but eager to stand in the snow/rain for eight hours to vote.  Obviously, that's something the next (D) administration needs to fix... but first we need to get lucky enough to have one.

Vote Blue.  Vote Biden.  Vote Biden/[$WHOEVERTHEFARK] 2020.  Convince your friends.  Drive them to the polls, and bring snacks to share.  Unfortunately, yes, "the alternative is worse" is reason enough right now.
 
2020-03-12 2:58:17 PM  
"While our campaign has won the ideological debate, we are losing the debate over electability," Sanders said. The recent underdog added that he disagrees that Biden is the stronger candidate to take on President Trump, "but that is what millions of Democrats and independents today believe."


Once again telling everyone voting doesn't matter--theories about what people really believe matters--then wondering why his followers don't show up to vote.

If you'd won the ideological debate people would have voted for you more.

Also, "electability" is what voting measures.
 
2020-03-12 2:58:30 PM  
Loving the centrist outreach to the progressives in the party so far. Can't imagine why you'd be worried they might stay home on election day.
 
2020-03-12 2:58:32 PM  

numbers17: vpb: The recent underdog added that he disagrees that Biden is the stronger candidate to take on President Trump, "but that is what millions of Democrats and independents today believe."

As far as I know, he never really gave a good reason for believing otherwise.

Most people understand that there are more moderates than progressives and that the average election voter is more moderate than the average Democratic primary voter.  Not to mention the "socialist" thing.

All I ever heard in Bernie's favor was that he and his followers believed that he was more electable not less, for no apparent reason.

Because we believe hes a potential Hillary 2.0 and a campaign message of returning to normal is not something that is a winning message at this time.


Crazy how the not winning message is winning.
 
2020-03-12 3:00:31 PM  

FortyHams: numbers17: vpb: The recent underdog added that he disagrees that Biden is the stronger candidate to take on President Trump, "but that is what millions of Democrats and independents today believe."

As far as I know, he never really gave a good reason for believing otherwise.

Most people understand that there are more moderates than progressives and that the average election voter is more moderate than the average Democratic primary voter.  Not to mention the "socialist" thing.

All I ever heard in Bernie's favor was that he and his followers believed that he was more electable not less, for no apparent reason.

Because we believe hes a potential Hillary 2.0 and a campaign message of returning to normal is not something that is a winning message at this time.

Crazy how the not winning message is winning.


The last winning message was "stigginit to the libs!" so let's not get too excited.
 
2020-03-12 3:00:50 PM  
The only way I think I could hate Bernie more is if he was Trump.  The farking narcissism of this guy is incredible.
 
2020-03-12 3:01:08 PM  

Weatherkiss: Loving the centrist outreach to the progressives in the party so far. Can't imagine why you'd be worried they might stay home on election day.


Continue to stay home?
 
2020-03-12 3:02:56 PM  

UltimaCS: ElwoodCuse: Look around you, goddamn right I'm not voting for "I will veto Medicare for all"

I'm pretty sure you've never voted for anything.


I'm pretty sure you don't know a goddamn thing
 
2020-03-12 3:03:09 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Look around you, goddamn right I'm not voting for "I will veto Medicare for all"


Which means you're voting for Trump, directly or indirectly.
 
2020-03-12 3:03:40 PM  
FTFA: ""Today, I say to the Democratic establishment, in order to win in the future, you need to win the voters who represent the future of our country," Sanders said. "And you must speak to the issues of concern to them." "

No Bernie, with all due respect you somehow STILL don't get it.

This whole VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO means that the Dems don't have to do shiat to earn people's votes. They don't have to offer up your plan to them.  They expect people will vote for them because these people owe it to them.

You vote for them because what else you gonna do, punk?  Vote Green?

So they don't need to kowtow to young voters, progressives, lefties or ANYONE.  It's been this way for decades.  They don't need to offer anything substantial or meaningful.  Just shut up and vote for Democrat and let them stack their cabinets with ex-Goldman Sachs dickbags, let them offer Bloomberg up as Sec of the Treasury and make farking Jamie Dimon the Fed Chair.  Why?  Because fark you that's why.  If you don't vote Blue No Matter Who then you are either a Republican, a seekrit Republican, a Russian, a backwoods hick, a racist, a Nazi, or even worse, a hippie Green.

The US is farked.  Proper farked.  Enjoy these final salad days.
 
2020-03-12 3:03:47 PM  

berniex: ElwoodCuse: Look around you, goddamn right I'm not voting for "I will veto Medicare for all"

Which means you're voting for Trump, directly or indirectly.


I don't owe you or Joe Biden or the Democrats shiat. Go guilt trip some never Trump conservatives
 
2020-03-12 3:04:09 PM  

SFSailor: vpb: Bernie's favor was that he and his followers believed that he was more electable not less, for no apparent reason

"No apparent reason" is being kind:  It was delusional from the very beginning.

And I say that as someone who kicked him some bucks in 2016 and voted for him in both primaries just to make a futile effort to move the window back to the left the _slightest_ smidgeon.

Not sure Biden is better, but I sure as shiat hope I'm wrong.  Thanks to decades of effort by the t(R)eason party in a vast number of different approaches, the (D) candidate _has_ to make people not just eager to vote, but eager to stand in the snow/rain for eight hours to vote.  Obviously, that's something the next (D) administration needs to fix... but first we need to get lucky enough to have one.

Vote Blue.  Vote Biden.  Vote Biden/[$WHOEVERTHEFARK] 2020.  Convince your friends.  Drive them to the polls, and bring snacks to share.  Unfortunately, yes, "the alternative is worse" is reason enough right now.


I'm not sure if Biden is better than Bernie either but he's sure as HELL better than Trump.
 
2020-03-12 3:06:11 PM  

fireside68: Is this where people ignore the literal math of who has voted for whom, and instead insist, with extra authoritarianism, that their way is the only true way?

/ not a Biden "supporter"
// old enough to remember 2016 though


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Pin Fiften Clob: fireside68: Is this where people ignore the literal math of who has voted for whom, and instead insist, with extra authoritarianism, that their way is the only true way?

/ not a Biden "supporter"
// old enough to remember 2016 though

No this is where people don't read the article and talk about what they imagined it said.


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Weatherkiss: Loving the centrist outreach to the progressives in the party so far. Can't imagine why you'd be worried they might stay home on election day.


Progressives are Schrodinger's Scapegoat:

Somehow both few and numerous.
Somehow both not needed and needed by the Democratic Party.

numbers17: vpb: The recent underdog added that he disagrees that Biden is the stronger candidate to take on President Trump, "but that is what millions of Democrats and independents today believe."

As far as I know, he never really gave a good reason for believing otherwise.

Most people understand that there are more moderates than progressives and that the average election voter is more moderate than the average Democratic primary voter.  Not to mention the "socialist" thing.

All I ever heard in Bernie's favor was that he and his followers believed that he was more electable not less, for no apparent reason.

Because we believe hes a potential Hillary 2.0 and a campaign message of returning to normal is not something that is a winning message at this time.


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"Let's get back to normal" assumes that "normal" means "good".

UltimaCS: vpb: The recent underdog added that he disagrees that Biden is the stronger candidate to take on President Trump, "but that is what millions of Democrats and independents today believe."

As far as I know, he never really gave a good reason for believing otherwise.

Most people understand that there are more moderates than progressives and that the average election voter is more moderate than the average Democratic primary voter.  Not to mention the "socialist" thing.

All I ever heard in Bernie's favor was that he and his followers believed that he was more electable not less, for no apparent reason.

Polls showing that Bernie would do better against Trump than Biden. Granted that flaming dog poop also has more favorability.

The media has always pushed idea that America (and the truth) is somewhere between Hitler and Stalin. We can't even have a factual, scientific analysis of something without weighing in with some gibbering moonbat. Don't be a goon for clickbait culture.


QFT.
 
2020-03-12 3:07:30 PM  
When you say "Biden is better than Trump" what you mean is "I just want them to say the quiet part quiet again"
 
2020-03-12 3:07:55 PM  
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2020-03-12 3:08:33 PM  

FortyHams: numbers17: vpb: The recent underdog added that he disagrees that Biden is the stronger candidate to take on President Trump, "but that is what millions of Democrats and independents today believe."

As far as I know, he never really gave a good reason for believing otherwise.

Most people understand that there are more moderates than progressives and that the average election voter is more moderate than the average Democratic primary voter.  Not to mention the "socialist" thing.

All I ever heard in Bernie's favor was that he and his followers believed that he was more electable not less, for no apparent reason.

Because we believe hes a potential Hillary 2.0 and a campaign message of returning to normal is not something that is a winning message at this time.

Crazy how the not winning message is winning.


I'm just telling you what I believe. You dont have to be a dick about it.
 
2020-03-12 3:09:09 PM  

ElwoodCuse: I don't owe you or Joe Biden or the Democrats shiat. Go guilt trip some never Trump conservatives


Yeah, but your past history here has made it clear that you're just a dick.  So... :shrug:
 
2020-03-12 3:10:13 PM  

numbers17: vpb: The recent underdog added that he disagrees that Biden is the stronger candidate to take on President Trump, "but that is what millions of Democrats and independents today believe."

As far as I know, he never really gave a good reason for believing otherwise.

Most people understand that there are more moderates than progressives and that the average election voter is more moderate than the average Democratic primary voter.  Not to mention the "socialist" thing.

All I ever heard in Bernie's favor was that he and his followers believed that he was more electable not less, for no apparent reason.

Because we believe hes a potential Hillary 2.0 and a campaign message of returning to normal is not something that is a winning message at this time.


Those showing up to vote in the primaries suggest otherwise.  The argument for Sanders being the better candidate hinged on getting the young and disillusioned to show up and vote and that clearly hasn't happened.
 
2020-03-12 3:10:36 PM  

Weatherkiss: Loving the centrist outreach to the progressives in the party so far. Can't imagine why you'd be worried they might stay home on election day.


Because they stayed at home during the primary elections?
 
2020-03-12 3:11:04 PM  

ElwoodCuse: When you say "Biden is better than Trump" what you mean is "I just want them to say the quiet part quiet again"


I was going to call out the ultra-trolly headline but then you went and proved it true

Headline still sucks, article is good though
 
2020-03-12 3:11:34 PM  

numbers17: FortyHams: numbers17: vpb: The recent underdog added that he disagrees that Biden is the stronger candidate to take on President Trump, "but that is what millions of Democrats and independents today believe."

As far as I know, he never really gave a good reason for believing otherwise.

Most people understand that there are more moderates than progressives and that the average election voter is more moderate than the average Democratic primary voter.  Not to mention the "socialist" thing.

All I ever heard in Bernie's favor was that he and his followers believed that he was more electable not less, for no apparent reason.

Because we believe hes a potential Hillary 2.0 and a campaign message of returning to normal is not something that is a winning message at this time.

Crazy how the not winning message is winning.

I'm just telling you what I believe. You dont have to be a dick about it.


Not sure how pointing out observable fact is being a dick.
 
2020-03-12 3:15:21 PM  

ElwoodCuse: UltimaCS: ElwoodCuse: Look around you, goddamn right I'm not voting for "I will veto Medicare for all"

I'm pretty sure you've never voted for anything.

I'm pretty sure you don't know a goddamn thing


He seems to know you pretty well
 
2020-03-12 3:16:11 PM  
Literally nothing in the article about Sanders supporters not supporting the eventual nominee, but don't let that stop you from trying to gain up phoney outrage subby. Ya know, trump cultist also have a habit of pulling stuff out their asses to pretend to be upset about as well. Funny that.
 
2020-03-12 3:17:50 PM  
Sanders promised to show up at the debate on Sunday in Arizona to face Biden one-on-one, and basically offered him a cheat sheet: "Let me be very frank as to the questions that I will be asking Joe."

Sanders listed off issues central to his campaign, which he says are very important to younger progressives: health care costs, climate change, income inequality, student debt, racial disparities in criminal justice, immigration and housing affordability.


Biden has addressed almost all of these issues. Most of them are on his website, you should check it out.

(Admittedly not student debt. And that's going to be a big one to Bernie's base.)
 
2020-03-12 3:17:59 PM  

ElwoodCuse: berniex: ElwoodCuse: Look around you, goddamn right I'm not voting for "I will veto Medicare for all"

Which means you're voting for Trump, directly or indirectly.

I don't owe you or Joe Biden or the Democrats shiat. Go guilt trip some never Trump conservatives


Are you a real person?  Are you a bot?
 
2020-03-12 3:19:17 PM  
Has anyone been able to reach William Stickers for comment?
 
2020-03-12 3:19:50 PM  

HypnozombieX: Literally nothing in the article about Sanders supporters not supporting the eventual nominee, but don't let that stop you from trying to gain up phoney outrage subby. Ya know, trump cultist also have a habit of pulling stuff out their asses to pretend to be upset about as well. Funny that.


This is Fark Pol Tab, sir/madam.  People either don't read the article because they're too lazy or because it's written by someone they'd been told is a baddie ("stopped reading right there...").

If you come here for calm and intelligent and reasoned political discourse, I have some bad news for you.
 
2020-03-12 3:20:42 PM  
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2020-03-12 3:22:41 PM  

jethroe: FTFA: ""Today, I say to the Democratic establishment, in order to win in the future, you need to win the voters who represent the future of our country," Sanders said. "And you must speak to the issues of concern to them." "

No Bernie, with all due respect you somehow STILL don't get it.

This whole VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO means that the Dems don't have to do shiat to earn people's votes. They don't have to offer up your plan to them.  They expect people will vote for them because these people owe it to them.

You vote for them because what else you gonna do, punk?  Vote Green?

So they don't need to kowtow to young voters, progressives, lefties or ANYONE.  It's been this way for decades.  They don't need to offer anything substantial or meaningful.  Just shut up and vote for Democrat and let them stack their cabinets with ex-Goldman Sachs dickbags, let them offer Bloomberg up as Sec of the Treasury and make farking Jamie Dimon the Fed Chair.  Why?  Because fark you that's why.  If you don't vote Blue No Matter Who then you are either a Republican, a seekrit Republican, a Russian, a backwoods hick, a racist, a Nazi, or even worse, a hippie Green.

The US is farked.  Proper farked.  Enjoy these final salad days.


I'm still a bit on the fence. I'm a strong, pro-union FDR Democrat that's just about as left as it gets these days in the US. Biden's proposals to expand the ACA is better than Trump's "let them die" method. Biden's Supreme Court and lower justices will align much more closely than my ideas of jurisprudence in regards to social issues, if not economic ones. I want to reduce harm.

On the other hand, chemo is "harmful" in the short term so that when you come out of it, you're in a much better spot. If that takes sitting out and letting Trump rampage for a few more years to let the third-way motherfarkers get the signal they're not owed anything, that might be better long-term (i.e. decades in the future). We need better/more organization. We need a left-leaning Federalist Society. We need anti-gerrymandering groups. We've got to get to work.
 
2020-03-12 3:22:58 PM  
Anything interesting about this chart? Maybe that more people chose to stay home than chose to go to the polls and vote for Hillary. But - and I have this on very good authority - Biden will get those people off the couch and to the polls with his inspiring, "I'm a bridge!" slogan.

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2020-03-12 3:24:30 PM  

Super Chronic: Most of them are on his website


The cut and paste has been very effective.  Whether Biden actually knows anything about it?   Be honest, have you ever heard Biden talk about climate change, much less the green new deal in your life?  But yea, it's on his website.


I'm sure he'll be very pro active in implementing it.
 
2020-03-12 3:27:03 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Look around you, goddamn right I'm not voting for "I will veto Medicare for all"


This has been debunked more times than mattress swap at a 500 room resort.

Stop spreading absolute lies and disinformation.
 
2020-03-12 3:27:05 PM  

Weatherkiss: Loving the centrist outreach to the progressives in the party so far. Can't imagine why you'd be worried they might stay home on election day.


I know why, Bernie Bros are whiny self centered assholes that don't actually care about this country. That's not an insult, it's the truth.

It has been explained time and time again in clear language why they need to vote for Biden but they refuse the listen and just drone on about conspiracy theories.

We have a chance to remove Trump from office and they don't care. They want Trump to replace Ginsberg with a Kanvanaugh clone. They want liberal policies to overturned by 6-3 conservative majority Supreme Court. They want America to further deteriorate. They want brown and poor Americans to suffer. They lost two primaries fair and square and they want to punish America for rejecting their ideas.

They dont realize the damages they are doing to their cause. They will never vote for Biden so there is no use trying to court them. There are far more votes to be gained moving to the middle than to the left. If Bernie wanted to actually get things done, he should have dropped out and fully endorsed Biden and spend the next 6 months campaigning heavily for him. You get power through have a coalition of voters. Bernie has an opportunity to have that and he and his supporters pissed it was 4 years ago and their pissing it away again. The sooner Bernie Sanders retires or dies, the sooner progressive changes can actually happen.
 
2020-03-12 3:27:11 PM  

JTtheCajun: jethroe: FTFA: ""Today, I say to the Democratic establishment, in order to win in the future, you need to win the voters who represent the future of our country," Sanders said. "And you must speak to the issues of concern to them." "

No Bernie, with all due respect you somehow STILL don't get it.

This whole VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO means that the Dems don't have to do shiat to earn people's votes. They don't have to offer up your plan to them.  They expect people will vote for them because these people owe it to them.

You vote for them because what else you gonna do, punk?  Vote Green?

So they don't need to kowtow to young voters, progressives, lefties or ANYONE.  It's been this way for decades.  They don't need to offer anything substantial or meaningful.  Just shut up and vote for Democrat and let them stack their cabinets with ex-Goldman Sachs dickbags, let them offer Bloomberg up as Sec of the Treasury and make farking Jamie Dimon the Fed Chair.  Why?  Because fark you that's why.  If you don't vote Blue No Matter Who then you are either a Republican, a seekrit Republican, a Russian, a backwoods hick, a racist, a Nazi, or even worse, a hippie Green.

The US is farked.  Proper farked.  Enjoy these final salad days.

I'm still a bit on the fence. I'm a strong, pro-union FDR Democrat that's just about as left as it gets these days in the US. Biden's proposals to expand the ACA is better than Trump's "let them die" method. Biden's Supreme Court and lower justices will align much more closely than my ideas of jurisprudence in regards to social issues, if not economic ones. I want to reduce harm.

On the other hand, chemo is "harmful" in the short term so that when you come out of it, you're in a much better spot. If that takes sitting out and letting Trump rampage for a few more years to let the third-way motherfarkers get the signal they're not owed anything, that might be better long-term (i.e. decades in the future). We need better/more organization. We need a ...


So your (possible) plan is to sit out and let Trump nominate more judges so anything your liberal utopia is able to accomplish will be struck down for a generation? Good thinkin'
 
2020-03-12 3:27:42 PM  

numbers17: vpb: The recent underdog added that he disagrees that Biden is the stronger candidate to take on President Trump, "but that is what millions of Democrats and independents today believe."

As far as I know, he never really gave a good reason for believing otherwise.

Most people understand that there are more moderates than progressives and that the average election voter is more moderate than the average Democratic primary voter.  Not to mention the "socialist" thing.

All I ever heard in Bernie's favor was that he and his followers believed that he was more electable not less, for no apparent reason.

Because we believe hes a potential Hillary 2.0 and a campaign message of returning to normal is not something that is a winning message at this time.


Except when it won the primaries, right?

Or do wins only count when Bernie is not running?
 
2020-03-12 3:28:48 PM  
Based on the number of supposed Bernie fans who've failed to show up at the polls so far, not sure why Biden has to win any of them over.

The ones here have already demonstrated that nothing short of Bernie is acceptable to them. I expect most of them to either sit out November in a snit or vote for whatever stupid third party candidate is available. Or to write in Bernie, even if he isn't the candidate. I would like to be wrong about that. But ...

(shrug)
 
2020-03-12 3:29:51 PM  
Bernie gives Biden the exact questions he's going to ask so he can prepare and make a case for the berners to vote for him.

Yet everyone  is STILL up in arms that he dared stay in the race and at least force the dems to acknowledge the people they have the hardest time motivating to get out and vote?

Very fine people on both sides indeed.
 
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