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(Politico)   Poll in Florida show Biden opening up a slight lead on Sanders in Florida, but, factoring in the margin of error, it could be only about 40 or so points. Ohh Berne   (politico.com) divider line
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2020-03-12 10:53:04 AM  
Polls showed Biden had a lock on Florida before he even officially announced his candidacy.
 
2020-03-12 11:13:39 AM  
What's best for the movement is to stay in and rack up some monumental losses. Some real blowouts people can point to the next time you want to suggest you have a movement that cannot be ignored.
 
2020-03-12 1:17:08 PM  
Hello President Biden.
 
2020-03-12 1:25:07 PM  
I respect and value Sanders as a visionary and guide as to where the Democratic Party should move towards, and I approve of him staying in the race until after the next debate

But he's got no chance of getting the nomination, and anyone who doesn't realize that is either deliberately ignorant or working for the FSB.
 
2020-03-12 2:04:16 PM  
After saying complimentary things about Castro, did anybody seriously think Sanders had any chance to win Florida?
 
2020-03-12 2:05:09 PM  

PaulRB: Hello President Biden.


There is no guarantee that we are smart enough, as a nation, to dump Trump.  Go Vote!  Get friends to register to vote!
 
2020-03-12 2:05:24 PM  

NDP2: After saying complimentary things about Castro, did anybody seriously think Sanders had any chance to win Florida?


Before saying complimentary things about Castro, did anybody seriously think Sanders had any chance to win Florida?
 
2020-03-12 2:05:28 PM  
Eh, it's Florida, Jake.

Can't blame Bernies for this one...both youngsters in the state went for him...
 
2020-03-12 2:05:35 PM  
This isn't news.
 
2020-03-12 2:05:49 PM  
Sanders needs to go back to his Senate gig now.
 
2020-03-12 2:06:01 PM  

WhackingDay: This isn't news.


It's fark.
 
2020-03-12 2:06:29 PM  
I mean, I'd still choose Sanders over Biden, but I've lost patience with both Sanders and a lot of his supporters.  We have to at least stop the damage Trump is doing to this nation before anything else.

I mean, it's like the house is on fire, and Biden and his supporters are like, "We need to put out the fire", but Sanders and his supporters are like, "I mean, if we put out the fire, we've still got the problem that the roof is leaking.   We need to figure out what to do about that before we can put out the fire."
 
2020-03-12 2:06:30 PM  
His face looks like wax...
 
2020-03-12 2:06:58 PM  
Florida is made up of Cubans and rich people avoiding taxes. Of course they don't like Bernie.
 
2020-03-12 2:07:26 PM  
I'm not sure if it's good or bad for Sanders to hang on until the debate but I'm sure that it's bad for him to hang on after the debate.
 
2020-03-12 2:07:52 PM  

max_pooper: NDP2: After saying complimentary things about Castro, did anybody seriously think Sanders had any chance to win Florida?

Before saying complimentary things about Castro, did anybody seriously think Sanders had any chance to win Florida?


He could have locked up older retirees by angrily (how else?) promising that as President, he'd require restaurants to carry Sanka, whether they want to or not.
 
2020-03-12 2:07:59 PM  

shastacola: Sanders needs to go back to his Senate gig now.


Who's been naming the post offices these last 4 years then?
 
2020-03-12 2:08:25 PM  
I'm hopeful. Something tells me that Joe's base will be reduced by about 15% in the coming weeks. The remainder might find themselves suddenly attracted to the idea of free healthcare.
 
2020-03-12 2:08:26 PM  
It's not a 100-0% blowout, keep fighting to the convention!

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Or, you know, you could drop out, and stop embarrassing yourself...
 
2020-03-12 2:08:31 PM  

AquaTatanka: PaulRB: Hello President Biden.

There is no guarantee that we are smart enough, as a nation, to dump Trump.  Go Vote!  Get friends to register to vote!


We're in a crisis! It's no time to switch captains when the current captain is busy steering the ship of state into a shallow reef, or something.
 
2020-03-12 2:09:01 PM  
FTA: The poll of 1,339 Democratic likely voters

Erm, I have no doubt that Biden is going to win Florida, but doesn't that seem like a really low number of people to poll for a statewide vote?
 
2020-03-12 2:09:13 PM  

jake_lex: I mean, I'd still choose Sanders over Biden, but I've lost patience with both Sanders and a lot of his supporters.  We have to at least stop the damage Trump is doing to this nation before anything else.

I mean, it's like the house is on fire, and Biden and his supporters are like, "We need to put out the fire", but Sanders and his supporters are like, "I mean, if we put out the fire, we've still got the problem that the roof is leaking.   We need to figure out what to do about that before we can put out the fire."


I think the fear is that once the fire is out, the leaky roof still won't get fixed. The moderates will throw a tarp on it and go about business as usual. As the leak gets bigger, they'll just throw more and more tarps on it until one day it's raining directly onto their couch and they'll say "look at this lovely skylight!"
 
2020-03-12 2:09:31 PM  
Agreed, we need Liz and Bernie in the Senate.
 
2020-03-12 2:09:54 PM  

shastacola: Sanders needs to go back to his Senate gig now.


Nope, Mitch is closing up shop. I guess turtles can't get Coronavirus so he's not worried about it. So Bernie doesn't have anything better to do.
 
2020-03-12 2:10:31 PM  

shastacola: Sanders needs to go back to his Senate gig now.



Where he can continuing ranting but now be ignored.
 
2020-03-12 2:10:44 PM  
Well, it's not that flaming bag of dog shiat that we always hear would be a step up from Trump, but it's close enough.

Bare minimum/stick it to the progressives 2020!
 
2020-03-12 2:11:02 PM  
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2020-03-12 2:12:02 PM  
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2020-03-12 2:12:03 PM  
Meanwhile, at Reddit, all the Russian troll farms and like 20 real people are outraged.
 
2020-03-12 2:12:43 PM  
Bernie is doing more harm to progressives than Susan Sarandon and Michael Moore could ever do. They're so crestfallen right now, after realizing that they never had the numbers, and it was mostly bots. It'll probably turn them off politics for a decade or so, which is a shame. I saw the same thing in the 1980s, when a large cohort of disappointed liberals just drank the Flavor-Ade and became neocons.
 
2020-03-12 2:12:58 PM  
Biden is a real headache of a candidate but Bernie just needs to go.
 
2020-03-12 2:13:18 PM  

Peter Weyland: I respect and value Sanders as a visionary and guide as to where the Democratic Party should move towards, and I approve of him staying in the race until after the next debate

But he's got no chance of getting the nomination, and anyone who doesn't realize that is either deliberately ignorant or working for the FSB.


Bernie staying in the race till the bitter end last time at least got the official Dem platform to move firmly left before he agreed to endorse Hillary. I think Biden's lead over Bernie is too great for him to hold the same leverage this time.
 
2020-03-12 2:13:26 PM  
People really, really hated Hillary.
 
2020-03-12 2:14:50 PM  

PaulRB: Hello President Biden.


Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.
 
2020-03-12 2:15:02 PM  

LeftisRightisWrong: FTA: The poll of 1,339 Democratic likely voters

Erm, I have no doubt that Biden is going to win Florida, but doesn't that seem like a really low number of people to poll for a statewide vote?


Kinda high, actually.  I think the margin of error goes under 3% with about 1000 respondents.
 
2020-03-12 2:15:58 PM  

UltimaCS: People really, really hated Hillary.


If by Hillary you mean unabashedly smart, competent women, then yeah.
 
2020-03-12 2:16:15 PM  

mofa: Bernie is doing more harm to progressives than Susan Sarandon and Michael Moore could ever do. They're so crestfallen right now, after realizing that they never had the numbers, and it was mostly bots. It'll probably turn them off politics for a decade or so, which is a shame. I saw the same thing in the 1980s, when a large cohort of disappointed liberals just drank the Flavor-Ade and became neocons.


Yoot voting increased. Boomers just increased faster. Or so I'm told. Pretending that there isn't a "movement" because there aren't enough affected voters is why Democrats splintered during Civil Rights.
 
2020-03-12 2:17:17 PM  
Y'know, just once, I'd like to be able to vote for my candidate in a primary. Fark NY for having a primary in late f'n April.

Just what f'n good does that do us?
 
2020-03-12 2:18:02 PM  
Pssssh.  Michigan and Florida always vote GOP anyway so it doesn't matter.

/Sarcasm
 
2020-03-12 2:18:06 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Florida is made up of Cubans and rich people avoiding taxes. Of course they don't like Bernie.


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Floridian here, neither Cuban nor rich. EABOD and STFU
 
2020-03-12 2:18:14 PM  

Bazzlex001: UltimaCS: People really, really hated Hillary.

If by Hillary you mean unabashedly smart, competent women, then yeah.


Warren would've done a lot better if it was just sexism.
 
2020-03-12 2:18:51 PM  

Bazzlex001: UltimaCS: People really, really hated Hillary.

If by Hillary you mean unabashedly smart, competent women, then yeah.


Elizabeth Warren develops a plan to give you a fist bump without risking either of your health.
 
2020-03-12 2:19:50 PM  
Here's looking forward to another four of the dotard.
 
2020-03-12 2:20:28 PM  

LeftisRightisWrong: FTA: The poll of 1,339 Democratic likely voters

Erm, I have no doubt that Biden is going to win Florida, but doesn't that seem like a really low number of people to poll for a statewide vote?


That is a plenty big poll to project from.  I'm guessing you never took statistics or political science classes?
 
2020-03-12 2:22:54 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Florida is made up of Cubans and rich people avoiding taxes. Of course they don't like Bernie.


Yeah, that's pretty much me and everyone I know here.

But I appreciate your concern.  We all do.
 
2020-03-12 2:23:50 PM  

mofa: Bernie is doing more harm to progressives than Susan Sarandon and Michael Moore could ever do. They're so crestfallen right now, after realizing that they never had the numbers, and it was mostly bots. It'll probably turn them off politics for a decade or so, which is a shame. I saw the same thing in the 1980s, when a large cohort of disappointed liberals just drank the Flavor-Ade and became neocons.


Yes. This, this, this, thisity this.

Yesterday, before he announced he was staying in, Sanders had some leverage. And, probably even some goodwill from the DNC. He could negotiate platform planks (no, M4A and free post HS Education as he envision them won't be planks), he could negotiate speakers. When they speak. All of it.

Now? Nope. And not just because he is being hardheaded (although that is part of the equation). It's because by staying in the race and getting his ass kicked next Tuesday, the gap between Biden and he is going to widen. And that width is what is dooming his leverage.

Every time he starts a sentence off at the convention with "I want", he is gonna get told to sit the fark down and shut up.

Sorry if that stings for some, but it's the unpleasant truth.
 
2020-03-12 2:26:17 PM  

Diogenes: Kangaroo_Ralph: Florida is made up of Cubans and rich people avoiding taxes. Of course they don't like Bernie.

Yeah, that's pretty much me and everyone I know here.

But I appreciate your concern.  We all do.


And you are a gay white dude, Ralph must think you are a unicorn here.
 
2020-03-12 2:27:09 PM  

UltimaCS: mofa: Bernie is doing more harm to progressives than Susan Sarandon and Michael Moore could ever do. They're so crestfallen right now, after realizing that they never had the numbers, and it was mostly bots. It'll probably turn them off politics for a decade or so, which is a shame. I saw the same thing in the 1980s, when a large cohort of disappointed liberals just drank the Flavor-Ade and became neocons.

Yoot voting increased. Boomers just increased faster. Or so I'm told. Pretending that there isn't a "movement" because there aren't enough affected voters is why Democrats splintered during Civil Rights.


Biden won (or came extremely close in a few) college towns in Michigan. That was Sanders' bread and butter. And Biden took that bread and butter right off of Sanders plate for his own.
 
2020-03-12 2:27:27 PM  

UltimaCS: mofa: Bernie is doing more harm to progressives than Susan Sarandon and Michael Moore could ever do. They're so crestfallen right now, after realizing that they never had the numbers, and it was mostly bots. It'll probably turn them off politics for a decade or so, which is a shame. I saw the same thing in the 1980s, when a large cohort of disappointed liberals just drank the Flavor-Ade and became neocons.

Yoot voting increased. Boomers just increased faster. Or so I'm told. Pretending that there isn't a "movement" because there aren't enough affected voters is why Democrats splintered during Civil Rights.


Millennials outnumber Boomers, and that gap gets wider with each passing year. Yutes ain't voting.
 
2020-03-12 2:31:29 PM  

UltimaCS: Bazzlex001: UltimaCS: People really, really hated Hillary.

If by Hillary you mean unabashedly smart, competent women, then yeah.

Warren would've done a lot better if it was just sexism.


I agree. They hated her. Because that's what they have been told to do for the last 35-40 years.

You can't argue that she was easily the most qualified candidate in '16. She was.

And that hatred gave Sanders and his policies a facade of A. being that popular, and B. That progressivism was as popular as it's been rumored to be.

And this year's rising turnout, contrasted by Sanders numbers dropping and/or being stagnant in some demographics, proves those points.
 
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