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(The Hill)   It's not over yet folks, Sanders picks up a HUGE win in North Dakota   (thehill.com) divider line
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2020-03-11 9:31:05 AM  
FTA: North Dakota awards 14 pledged delegates, tying Wyoming for hosting the smallest nominating race in the continental United States.

THIS! CHANGES! EVERYTHING!

/or not
 
2020-03-11 9:34:22 AM  
But the story doesn't tell us the most important information, how many delegates did Tulsi get?
 
2020-03-11 9:35:14 AM  
Huge if true.
 
2020-03-11 9:39:42 AM  

sdd2000: But the story doesn't tell us the most important information, how many delegates did Tulsi get?


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2020-03-11 9:50:28 AM  
Biden should drop out now so we can unify behind Bernie and get on with this.
 
2020-03-11 10:01:05 AM  
I think the next step from this is that Bernie Sanders announces Tulsi Gabbard as his running mate. Their combined momentum should be enough to blunt Joe Biden's recent surge, and together that ticket would have a reasonable chance of running the table on the remaining primaries and showing up at the convention with enough delegates to force a runoff. By that point, too, the youth vote will have shown up. They just slept in a little too late during the last few votes but that's not going to happen again, they've got their alarms set. And with their turnout at something like 90, 95 percent, the so-called "centrists" will have no choice but to recognize the progressive wing as the true face of the Democratic Party in America. I'm predicting the Tulsi/Gabbard ticket will go on to sweep the electoral college with something in the realm of a 500-point margin, and that the day after the inauguration AOC will be elevated to Speaker. It's inevitable at this point.
 
2020-03-11 10:07:01 AM  
Common wisdom tells us that as goes North Dakota, so goes Northeast Montana.

/Biden is toast
 
2020-03-11 10:07:14 AM  
Even Maine is laughing at you, North Dakota...
 
2020-03-11 10:25:50 AM  

bekaye: FTA: North Dakota awards 14 pledged delegates, tying Wyoming for hosting the smallest nominating race in the continental United States.

THIS! CHANGES! EVERYTHING!

/or not


Hey, he got 53% of the vote.

If that's not a landslide and a solid mandate, then everything Trump told us about his own 2016 win (at 47% or so) is a lie!
 
2020-03-11 10:36:12 AM  
It won't be enough.  Sanders is going to have to pick up a large number of delegates over and above Biden for the math to make any sense at all, and that's going to take little short of a miracle at this point.  Biden has huge momentum coming off SC, Super Tuesday, and now Super Tuesday II: Election Boogaloo.  He's got the black vote, largely I suspect due to his being VP under Obama for 8 years, so he has that level of familiarity and he's a well-known and well-liked quantity in that community, and he's well-liked by middle-aged suburbanites.  Sanders is doing well, let's not beat around the bush, and honestly, for his further-left socialist position he's doing better than I expected, which is heartening.  But without massive support in considerable excess of Biden's, I just don't see a path to the nomination for him.

Which is kind of a shame, really; I honestly don't think Biden goes far enough for what America needs at this point.  Yes, I believe he can beat Trump -- but I also believe Bernie could, too, and I think Bernie would push much harder for M4A and other beneficial policies that America is long overdue for, and I think he'd do better at undoing the mind-bogglingly enormous swathes of damage Trump has done to the country in a shorter period of time.  I think Biden is going to have trouble managing that in the short-term because there's just so goddamn much shiat Trump has sprayed across every nook and cranny of the country.

Not that I don't think Biden can do it.  I just think it'll take him longer, and I'm not sure what his priorities would be with regards to which mountains of shiat need levelling most urgently.

Either way, I think both have the capacity to defeat Trump in November, and by Odin's pendulous gonads, whoever gets the nomination had better.
 
2020-03-11 10:47:57 AM  
North Dakota gives out 14 delegates because that's how many of us Democrats live in this God forsaken red state.

/now that oil is tanking, this state is SCREWED by their letting shale companies destroy the western half of the state because those companies are going to go bankrupt
 
2020-03-11 10:49:52 AM  

sdd2000: But the story doesn't tell us the most important information, how many delegates did Tulsi get?


I think she has 2.  And is whining about not being invited to the debate.
 
2020-03-11 10:50:17 AM  
Time to stick a fork in it. It's done.
 
2020-03-11 10:50:56 AM  

Pocket Ninja: I think the next step from this is that Bernie Sanders announces Tulsi Gabbard as his running mate. Their combined momentum should be enough to blunt Joe Biden's recent surge, and together that ticket would have a reasonable chance of running the table on the remaining primaries and showing up at the convention with enough delegates to force a runoff. By that point, too, the youth vote will have shown up. They just slept in a little too late during the last few votes but that's not going to happen again, they've got their alarms set. And with their turnout at something like 90, 95 percent, the so-called "centrists" will have no choice but to recognize the progressive wing as the true face of the Democratic Party in America. I'm predicting the Tulsi/Gabbard ticket will go on to sweep the electoral college with something in the realm of a 500-point margin, and that the day after the inauguration AOC will be elevated to Speaker. It's inevitable at this point.


The Tulsi/Gabbard ticket is Tulsi Gabbard and Tulsi Gabbard with a fake mustache.
 
2020-03-11 10:51:04 AM  

Psychopusher: It won't be enough.  Sanders is going to have to pick up a large number of delegates over and above Biden for the math to make any sense at all, and that's going to take little short of a miracle at this point.  Biden has huge momentum coming off SC, Super Tuesday, and now Super Tuesday II: Election Boogaloo.  He's got the black vote, largely I suspect due to his being VP under Obama for 8 years, so he has that level of familiarity and he's a well-known and well-liked quantity in that community, and he's well-liked by middle-aged suburbanites.  Sanders is doing well, let's not beat around the bush, and honestly, for his further-left socialist position he's doing better than I expected, which is heartening.  But without massive support in considerable excess of Biden's, I just don't see a path to the nomination for him.

Which is kind of a shame, really; I honestly don't think Biden goes far enough for what America needs at this point.  Yes, I believe he can beat Trump -- but I also believe Bernie could, too, and I think Bernie would push much harder for M4A and other beneficial policies that America is long overdue for, and I think he'd do better at undoing the mind-bogglingly enormous swathes of damage Trump has done to the country in a shorter period of time.  I think Biden is going to have trouble managing that in the short-term because there's just so goddamn much shiat Trump has sprayed across every nook and cranny of the country.

Not that I don't think Biden can do it.  I just think it'll take him longer, and I'm not sure what his priorities would be with regards to which mountains of shiat need levelling most urgently.

Either way, I think both have the capacity to defeat Trump in November, and by Odin's pendulous gonads, whoever gets the nomination had better.


"The truth of the matter is, you all, you all know, you all know in your gut what has to be done. We can disagree in the margins but the truth of the matter is it's all within our wheelhouse and nobody has to be punished. No one's standard of living will change, nothing will fundamentally change."

If that doesn't tell you what mountain of shirt Biden's administration would start shoveling first, I'm not sure what will.
 
2020-03-11 10:51:10 AM  
You know who else won in North Dakota?

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2020-03-11 10:51:22 AM  
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The best strategy for Sanders, at this point, is to try to accumulate the most delegates by the end of the primary season.
 
2020-03-11 10:52:03 AM  

weddingsinger: North Dakota gives out 14 delegates because that's how many of us Democrats live in this God forsaken red state.

/now that oil is tanking, this state is SCREWED by their letting shale companies destroy the western half of the state because those companies are going to go bankrupt


im guessing people are waiting for their soybean futures to tick back up.

/dad in NE.
 
2020-03-11 10:52:33 AM  
The AP (used if you Google something like "North Dakota primary 2020") shows that despite the large win, both candidates are currently getting the same number of delegates (they have it currently as a 5-5 tie, with 4 undecided).
 
2020-03-11 10:52:53 AM  
Missile silos and fracking sites vote?

/ Who knew?
 
2020-03-11 10:53:24 AM  

Psychopusher: It won't be enough.  Sanders is going to have to pick up a large number of delegates over and above Biden for the math to make any sense at all, and that's going to take little short of a miracle at this point.  Biden has huge momentum coming off SC, Super Tuesday, and now Super Tuesday II: Election Boogaloo.  He's got the black vote, largely I suspect due to his being VP under Obama for 8 years, so he has that level of familiarity and he's a well-known and well-liked quantity in that community, and he's well-liked by middle-aged suburbanites.  Sanders is doing well, let's not beat around the bush, and honestly, for his further-left socialist position he's doing better than I expected, which is heartening.  But without massive support in considerable excess of Biden's, I just don't see a path to the nomination for him.

Which is kind of a shame, really; I honestly don't think Biden goes far enough for what America needs at this point.  Yes, I believe he can beat Trump -- but I also believe Bernie could, too, and I think Bernie would push much harder for M4A and other beneficial policies that America is long overdue for, and I think he'd do better at undoing the mind-bogglingly enormous swathes of damage Trump has done to the country in a shorter period of time.  I think Biden is going to have trouble managing that in the short-term because there's just so goddamn much shiat Trump has sprayed across every nook and cranny of the country.

Not that I don't think Biden can do it.  I just think it'll take him longer, and I'm not sure what his priorities would be with regards to which mountains of shiat need levelling most urgently.

Either way, I think both have the capacity to defeat Trump in November, and by Odin's pendulous gonads, whoever gets the nomination had better.


The pushing has to come from the Congress.  Let's face reality for just a second; without both a Democratic majority in the Senate and a majority leader willing to kill the filibuster the next POTUS will see zero bills containing any sort of Democratic priority and will have zero federal judges / SCOTUS justices approved.  If the majority leader wants to just do the McConnell thing and constantly appeal the ruling of the chair regarding filibusters, OK, that's a strategy I guess, but you're going to have to do it EVERY TIME and it'd be easier to just abolish it.

Biden isn't going to veto M4A if it gets to his desk.  The challenge isn't convincing him to sign it, it's convincing the House to write it and the Senate to have the courage to reform enough to pass it.
 
2020-03-11 10:53:35 AM  

weddingsinger: North Dakota gives out 14 delegates because that's how many of us Democrats live in this God forsaken red state.

/now that oil is tanking, this state is SCREWED by their letting shale companies destroy the western half of the state because those companies are going to go bankrupt


Hope y'all got some solid remediation bonds before letting the drillers go nuts.

/HAHAHAHA
//HAHAHAHAHAHA
///HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2020-03-11 10:53:55 AM  
Yeah, but both African-Americans voted for Biden
 
2020-03-11 10:54:39 AM  

FreeLurker: Time to stick a fork in it. It's done.


Pfft.  Sanders has a prime opportunity to expose Biden as what he is in the debate.

And before people complain -- it's better to find out NOW if Biden can handle a relatively compliant Sanders in a one-on-one debate rather than handle a hostile Trump in the general.  At that point it'll be far too late.

/I still think if Biden wins they'll foist someone else on everyone at the convention
//a Sherrod Brown, for example
 
2020-03-11 10:55:10 AM  

Serious Black: Psychopusher: It won't be enough.  Sanders is going to have to pick up a large number of delegates over and above Biden for the math to make any sense at all, and that's going to take little short of a miracle at this point.  Biden has huge momentum coming off SC, Super Tuesday, and now Super Tuesday II: Election Boogaloo.  He's got the black vote, largely I suspect due to his being VP under Obama for 8 years, so he has that level of familiarity and he's a well-known and well-liked quantity in that community, and he's well-liked by middle-aged suburbanites.  Sanders is doing well, let's not beat around the bush, and honestly, for his further-left socialist position he's doing better than I expected, which is heartening.  But without massive support in considerable excess of Biden's, I just don't see a path to the nomination for him.

Which is kind of a shame, really; I honestly don't think Biden goes far enough for what America needs at this point.  Yes, I believe he can beat Trump -- but I also believe Bernie could, too, and I think Bernie would push much harder for M4A and other beneficial policies that America is long overdue for, and I think he'd do better at undoing the mind-bogglingly enormous swathes of damage Trump has done to the country in a shorter period of time.  I think Biden is going to have trouble managing that in the short-term because there's just so goddamn much shiat Trump has sprayed across every nook and cranny of the country.

Not that I don't think Biden can do it.  I just think it'll take him longer, and I'm not sure what his priorities would be with regards to which mountains of shiat need levelling most urgently.

Either way, I think both have the capacity to defeat Trump in November, and by Odin's pendulous gonads, whoever gets the nomination had better.

"The truth of the matter is, you all, you all know, you all know in your gut what has to be done. We can disagree in the margins but the truth of the matter is it's all within our wheel ...


Man, those grapes are REALLY sour this morning, eh?

Let's just hope Sanders get's over faster than Progressive Farkers. We need to pull together and get the General won for the Democrats. It's Blue tsunami time.
 
2020-03-11 10:55:18 AM  

weddingsinger: North Dakota gives out 14 delegates because that's how many of us Democrats live in this God forsaken red state.

/now that oil is tanking, this state is SCREWED by their letting shale companies destroy the western half of the state because those companies are going to go bankrupt


Sigh... yeah

We survived the Great Recession because oil propped us up. Won't be the story this time around. I expect we'll be back to Taco Bell being the most exotic restaurant in town. The good news is they may finally get a workforce that can serve a burrito in less than 30 minutes.
 
2020-03-11 10:55:30 AM  
It's not surprising North Dakota went for the socialist, they're almost Canada.
 
2020-03-11 10:55:40 AM  
I have been told that Tulsi is still in this and I am an ingrate for not acknowledging it.
 
2020-03-11 10:55:48 AM  
So all 40 people and 600,000 nervous sheep? Do the guys in the silos count as voting residents?
 
2020-03-11 10:56:01 AM  

jethroe: /I still think if Biden wins they'll foist someone else on everyone at the convention
//a Sherrod Brown, for example


At this point, there's not going to be a convention, due to Captain Trips.
 
2020-03-11 10:56:19 AM  
To be expected in a caucus.

The surprise was Biden winning Idaho.
 
2020-03-11 10:56:55 AM  
Huge Dakota.
 
2020-03-11 10:57:50 AM  

Psychopusher: t won't be enough.  Sanders is going to have to pick up a large number of delegates over and above Biden for the math to make any sense at all, and that's going to take little short of a miracle at this point


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Sanders needed about 55% of all remaining delegates after Super Tuesday. Biden is going to get roughly 60% from last night.

FWIW, back in 2016, Sanders lost all 4 of next week's primary states (FL, OH, IL, AZ) to Clinton
 
2020-03-11 10:58:06 AM  
Do I detect a hint of sarcasm, subby?
 
2020-03-11 10:58:06 AM  
I guess this is the part of the game where the Biden Bros engage in the same sort of online antagonism they accuse Bernie Bros of... yay factionalism.
 
2020-03-11 10:58:16 AM  
I early voted for warren in Washington, then she dropped out. Would have voted for sanders if I had waited.

As for Biden, I will hold my nose and vote for him. He's the lesser of two evils.
/not evil just doesn't have my preferred priorities
 
2020-03-11 10:58:21 AM  
Buddy texted me this morning.

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2020-03-11 10:58:26 AM  

jethroe: Pfft.  Sanders has a prime opportunity to expose Biden as what he is in the debate.


I wouldn't be at all surprised if Sanders calls it quits by this weekend. The writing is on the wall and you don't need to squint to read it. If you want to beat Trump in November the right thing to do is end it now.

I like Sanders. He lost though, and there's no reason to stay in and continue losing. Dragging this out only benefits the GOP, no one else.
 
2020-03-11 10:58:43 AM  

12349876: To be expected in a caucus.

The surprise was Biden winning Idaho.


There's a "count to potato" joke in there somewhere.
 
2020-03-11 10:59:32 AM  

LarryDan43: Pocket Ninja: I think the next step from this is that Bernie Sanders announces Tulsi Gabbard as his running mate. Their combined momentum should be enough to blunt Joe Biden's recent surge, and together that ticket would have a reasonable chance of running the table on the remaining primaries and showing up at the convention with enough delegates to force a runoff. By that point, too, the youth vote will have shown up. They just slept in a little too late during the last few votes but that's not going to happen again, they've got their alarms set. And with their turnout at something like 90, 95 percent, the so-called "centrists" will have no choice but to recognize the progressive wing as the true face of the Democratic Party in America. I'm predicting the Tulsi/Gabbard ticket will go on to sweep the electoral college with something in the realm of a 500-point margin, and that the day after the inauguration AOC will be elevated to Speaker. It's inevitable at this point.

The Tulsi/Gabbard ticket is Tulsi Gabbard and Tulsi Gabbard with a fake mustache.


Wouldn't work. They're both from the same state.
 
2020-03-11 10:59:48 AM  

LurkLongAndProsper: Buddy texted me this morning.

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That might be caucus delegates versus actual number of voters.
 
2020-03-11 10:59:48 AM  

FreeLurker: Serious Black: Psychopusher: It won't be enough.  Sanders is going to have to pick up a large number of delegates over and above Biden for the math to make any sense at all, and that's going to take little short of a miracle at this point.  Biden has huge momentum coming off SC, Super Tuesday, and now Super Tuesday II: Election Boogaloo.  He's got the black vote, largely I suspect due to his being VP under Obama for 8 years, so he has that level of familiarity and he's a well-known and well-liked quantity in that community, and he's well-liked by middle-aged suburbanites.  Sanders is doing well, let's not beat around the bush, and honestly, for his further-left socialist position he's doing better than I expected, which is heartening.  But without massive support in considerable excess of Biden's, I just don't see a path to the nomination for him.

Which is kind of a shame, really; I honestly don't think Biden goes far enough for what America needs at this point.  Yes, I believe he can beat Trump -- but I also believe Bernie could, too, and I think Bernie would push much harder for M4A and other beneficial policies that America is long overdue for, and I think he'd do better at undoing the mind-bogglingly enormous swathes of damage Trump has done to the country in a shorter period of time.  I think Biden is going to have trouble managing that in the short-term because there's just so goddamn much shiat Trump has sprayed across every nook and cranny of the country.

Not that I don't think Biden can do it.  I just think it'll take him longer, and I'm not sure what his priorities would be with regards to which mountains of shiat need levelling most urgently.

Either way, I think both have the capacity to defeat Trump in November, and by Odin's pendulous gonads, whoever gets the nomination had better.

"The truth of the matter is, you all, you all know, you all know in your gut what has to be done. We can disagree in the margins but the truth of the matter is it's all w ...


Cram it up your pie hole. I voted for Hillary in the 2016 general election and I canvassed the hell out of my county trying to get people to vote in that election, and I will be doing the same this election. That does not change that I am unenthused about Joe Biden's proposed policies, his notion that his getting elected will convince Republicans to work with him, or his idea that we can fight income inequality without tackling the obscene amount of wealth we've allowed a small group of people to accrue.
 
2020-03-11 11:01:10 AM  
Wait, there's a *north* Dakota?
 
2020-03-11 11:01:26 AM  

firefly212: I guess this is the part of the game where the Biden Bros engage in the same sort of online antagonism they accuse Bernie Bros of... yay factionalism.


Not at all. Sanders fought the good fight, more power to him. Now he just needs the good sense, class, and dignity to acknowledge his loss, and endorse Biden.

Keep your eyes on the prize.
 
2020-03-11 11:02:26 AM  

sirrerun: You know who else won in North Dakota?

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Funny story about NDSU  becoming a powerhouse was it was in large part due to U of MInnesota hiring a really sh*tty coach, which lead to a bunch of kids who would usually go to U of M not being recruited as they chased recruits in FLorida, etc who never came to the frozen hellscape; meanwhile the ignored local recruits ending up at NDSU who has now won like 8 out of 9 national championships.
 
2020-03-11 11:03:05 AM  

12349876: LurkLongAndProsper: Buddy texted me this morning.

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That might be caucus delegates versus actual number of voters.


I could believe it either way. 2016 I was voter 83 at my polling location close to mid-morning in Fargo. We are not a populous state. Take out the republicans and 14k might actually be close to what's left.
 
2020-03-11 11:03:28 AM  

MaliFinn: Wait, there's a *north* Dakota?


Its southern Canada
 
2020-03-11 11:03:51 AM  

Serious Black: Cram it up your pie hole.


And good morning to you, fellow Democrat! I will be voting Blue up and down the ticket in November, as I would have if Sanders was at the top of the ticket. Have a great day!
 
2020-03-11 11:04:05 AM  
Told ya.

Biden sweeps last night. It's over. Couldn't seal the deal.

Bernie's got the big Mo now. Turnout is gonna go thru the roof in Wyoming and Montana now.

To the convention!!
 
2020-03-11 11:05:45 AM  
Bullshiat. North Dakota doesn't exist. It is a deep state front that they use to funnel federal funds. Their supposed senators and rep introduce and block legislation behalf of the deep state too.
 
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