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(TechWorld)   IBM advises employees not to install Windows update   ( divider line
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2004-08-09 10:32:34 PM  
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I didn't see that coming.

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2004-08-09 10:50:44 PM  
Why doesn't IBM use OS/2? The inventing the damn thing after all.
2004-08-09 11:05:01 PM  
Makes sense, they want to wait until MSFT releases a patch for the update, before they install it.
2004-08-09 11:10:35 PM  
I've been told that OS/2 is far superior product to Windows 95.
2004-08-09 11:12:20 PM  
i stopped using OS/2 with merlin. it just started to suck. the support for new hardware was miserable - you had a nice graphics card and all, and OS/2 would only run it in standard VESA modes. there was hardly any software for the average user - the free/shareware community was alright, but it didn't really result in great products. REXX rocked.

but hell, unless you worked in a bank in europe before 2000, you really didn't need OS/2.
2004-08-09 11:12:26 PM  
My company did the exact same thing. Didn't want to fark up everything.
2004-08-09 11:17:34 PM  
i work at ibm, as much as i would love to bash microsoft here's the deal:

changes were made to IE and a couple other things, this causes certain applications to not work right. if people install the update they won't be able to access 'critical' applications. ibm is formulating a plan to update the applications then maybe switch over. it's either install the update and disrupt business or hold off and see what their best option is.
2004-08-09 11:25:07 PM  
Tack we still run OS/2 on a couple legacy systems but for the most part it's AIX or Linux. There are some windows servers but very few, i believe just used for internal apps and stuff that need it. most people who work there have windows workstations/laptops which is what this note is about.
2004-08-09 11:50:44 PM  
I know of a company that still has internal apps tied to Netscape 4.x, so this isn't all that surprising.
2004-08-10 12:52:57 AM  
From another story linked in the article:

The test centre further suggested that SP2 is likely to break many security utilities such as anti-virus programs, firewalls and pop-up blockers. Utility vendor Symantec, supplier of the Norton brand of security products, implicitly confirmed this by issuing a statement in which it said it supported SP2 but added that it would also be releasing "a product update to provide native support for the Windows Security Center status utility found in SP2. This update will be available worldwide over the coming weeks and will enable Symantec products to communicate their status to the Windows Security Center utility."

Geez, and this update is supposed to make your computer MORE secure?!? Maybe over time it will, but for the time being I think I'll steer clear of SP2 thankyouverymuch.
2004-08-10 04:37:26 AM  
This was to be expected. Give it time.
2004-08-10 05:45:26 AM  
in other news, Microsoft either knows exactly what they're doing and are purposely doing this to screw YOU, the consumer, OR, adversely, Microsoft has absolutely NO clue what they're doing at all, and all their programmers are worthless lazy shiats. also, people to get overly pissy when you jokingly spell Microsoft with a "$". that is all.
2004-08-10 05:45:49 AM  
I would advise everyone not to install Windows or any of its updates.
2004-08-10 05:57:58 AM  
But I *WANT* DRM crippling applications! The RIAA told me so!
2004-08-10 06:00:27 AM  
Does Linux count as a Windows upgrade?
2004-08-10 06:05:37 AM  
I generally refuse to install any major service packs onto a windows OS until it has been out for at least 2 weeks. I'll let all the eager beavers install it first, find all the problems, report back to MS and let them realease an updated SP.

It saves so many problems in the long run.
2004-08-10 06:09:55 AM  
linux, linux, linux...

it is pronounced UNIX

what everyone complaining about ms uses...

/reminds self that they could have been using zenix, skinix or otherwise - some think linux did not need UNIX to be born...

/worse yet, some use perl to get around pipes on UNIX - sad...
2004-08-10 06:13:13 AM  
Can someone tell me the filename for the official service pack two full installer? I don't want to accidently get some release candidate or beta or shiat like that.
2004-08-10 06:16:37 AM  
And yeah, I think I'll wait for some guinea pigs to try it out first as well.
2004-08-10 06:18:31 AM  
Makes sense. I would not want to deploy sp2 to 400 000 pcs without alot of testing first..

Standard Microsoft bashing... *yawn*
2004-08-10 06:34:00 AM  
Big thing I don't understand is there is this wonderful thing called "Group Policies" The sites who know that their apps are going to be broken (including IBM) can roll out SP2 and at the same time disable anything that may be an impedance. FYI there are 600(!) new policy settings with SP2.

I have been running SP2 since RC2 and it doesn't necessarily "break" apps so much as depending on your security level set in IE it will block things which can be alleviated by either adjusting your security level for that zone i.e local or by adding the site as a Trusted site.

IBM did not come out and say that SP2 sucks, they just said that their apps were not designed to incorporate the changes. And these changes are a definite step in the right direction.

BTW the name of the service pack file is WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe and you can get it here:
2004-08-10 06:39:53 AM  
rikkards, thanks for posting the URL, been trying to find it on the site with little luck. Gonna burn a copy for my out-of-state sis-in law on dialup and send it to her ASAP.

/software update just finished on my powermac. 43 megs. w00t!
2004-08-10 06:40:53 AM  
I had been planning to install SP2 as soon as it came out.

But, after reading about how it sounds like it's going to cause a ton of problems, I think I too will hold off for a bit until they have corrected some of the problems.

Frankly, I'm not overly concerned about security on my PC. I have the latest versions of McAfee Firewall and Viruscan, and they've both done an exemplary job of defeating security threats. A virus has never successfully set foot on my computer. I have a pop-up blocker that gets the job done.
And I have a couple anti-spyware freebies to take care of spyware and ads.

(I swear, I run a spyware scan about once a month or when my computer shows signs of infection... it's insane the amount of adware and crap that I accumulate- thank you p2p software ... /sarcasm)
2004-08-10 07:07:30 AM  
When I got my computer new two years ago, I paid extra to have Win98 installed instead of XP. I viewed it as the lesser of two evils. People I know who run XP have been battered by viruses that exploit security holes. I don't know much about how OSes work, but nothing has infected my system yet, even before I Nortoned my system. 98 does everything I want it to, and it seems more secure. Maybe some techie-Farker would know for sure.

/afrade to upgraid
2004-08-10 07:16:09 AM  

I have a home built system. We "upgraded" to XP in hopes that our shiny new AthlonXP would be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. What we discovered instead was that our ATI all-in-wonder card was in driver limbo, the VIA chipset drivers were not-quite-ready-for-prime-time, and that XP made mincemeat out of many of my old apps.

Some people say XP never crashes. In my case I thought my computer's name was "Core Dump". It was not a question of IF the computer would BOSD, but when.

We eventually reformatted the puppy to Gentoo linux, and we run our Windows apps under Win4Lin. Sure we are restricted to 98 apps that don't use DirectX. But at least when it crashes, we just restart the emulator.
2004-08-10 07:17:28 AM  
Windows XP -

Expect Problems
2004-08-10 07:22:41 AM  
"When I got my computer new two years ago, I paid extra to have Win98 installed instead of XP. I viewed it as the lesser of two evils. People I know who run XP have been battered by viruses that exploit security holes. I don't know much about how OSes work, but nothing has infected my system yet, even before I Nortoned my system. 98 does everything I want it to, and it seems more secure. Maybe some techie-Farker would know for sure.

/afrade to upgraid"

And if this were 1998, you would have been using 3.1. It's not that it's any more or less secure (if you're that paranoid, try installing Windows Server 2003 and cutting it down to a desktop machine - it's only $500). It's that it's pointless to bother with systems that are slowly dying. I mean, when was the last time you saw a virus for a MS-DOS box?

Windows XP isn't all that bad - just have a good firewall running, and you're more or less safe. I think this is more of a case of ignorance before knowledge - look into it a bit.
2004-08-10 07:35:04 AM  
If you manage to crash 2K or XP, you're a collosal farkup. Christ, I do everything but intentionally seek out shiat to break Windows 2000 with, and it hasn't crashed since I installed the biatch. Games, random programs, codecs on top of codecs, beta programs left and right.
2004-08-10 07:38:34 AM  
there is a REASON Microsoft decided to extend tech support on Windows 98SE another 4 years: MOST of the bugs have been worked out, and hackers and virus writers have moved on to XP.

Windows 98SE has BECOME easy to use, less unstable, and less vulnerable to hackers because they're bored with it.

They have a new toy: Windows XP.

And DON'T do the updates!

Everytime I've done them I've had at least two programs decide to lock up for good, therefore forcing me to reinstall them, or start from scratch.

Just because Microsoft sends an "Update Notice", doesn't mean you need it.
2004-08-10 07:57:06 AM  
Why doesn't IBM use OS/2? The inventing the damn thing after all.

Didn't Microsoft create OS/2 for IBM as a successor to PC-DOS?
2004-08-10 07:58:44 AM  

Go figure.
2004-08-10 07:59:30 AM  
2004-08-10 07:38:34 AM Mike_71

98SE only supports fat32 and 16, not ntfs, and is therefore, completely insecure.... I wouldn't recommend it at all, but it is better than ME.. ;)
2004-08-10 07:59:58 AM  
Hmm, I fixed a friend's Windows laptop the other night. Installing Windows took perhaps an hour, however hunting for its drivers, applying patches from Windows Update, and installing must-have programs to protect him from future problems (Anti-virus software, Firefox) took hours. Not to mention half of the updates require a reboot, making it even more tedious.

You Windows folks seriously don't know the hell you endure. For that reason, I endorse logical alternatives.

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Just end this madness and save your knowledgeable computer friends headaches when your machine breaks every 2 months. MS has sucked as a whole for 20 years -- no service pack is going to change that.
2004-08-10 08:06:18 AM  
REXX still rocks! Long Live REXX!
2004-08-10 08:17:58 AM  
ya macs are great because I love paying inflated hardware prices to get ugly boxes (I havn't owned a beige pc in 3 years) with an anemic OS...

Or I could run Gentoo Linux and duel-boot to XP for the few games I play, and still save 4-500$ vs buying an "equivilant" mac.

For the record, my pc hasn't needed an os reload since.. well.. since XP came out and I upgraded from 2K. Some people just know how NOT to fark up their pc ;)
2004-08-10 08:40:51 AM  

You Windows folks seriously don't know the hell you endure. For that reason, I endorse logical alternatives.

And how much do Macs cost again? From Apple's website: Power Mac G4. Featuring a single 1.25GHz processor starting at just $1299. thanks, I can build my own PC for half as much. Besides, I like the variety of software that is out there for PCs. I don't care how easy to use Macs are, I am quiet happy with Windows XP. It's very stable and easy to use (has never crashed in the 2+ years that I've been using it).

As a side note, my girlfriend is a huge fan of Macs and we get into arguments all the time regarding this :)
2004-08-10 08:46:45 AM  
Oh geeze. That debate didn't take long.

2004-08-10 08:56:02 AM  
Evil Twin Skippy
If XP is crashing on you left and right, your hardware is shiat. That particular Via chipset is/was notorious for being buggy and chances are your memory has errors in it. Don't blame XP for the fault of the hardware. Get an nForce2 Ultra Chipset and brandname memory (Kingston, Corsair, Mushkin, Crucial, OCZ, etc.) and I bet you'll see your crashes go away.

Now if XP APPLICATIONS are crashing on you left and right, well that's a different story.

/Win98 doesn't properly handle 128+MB of RAM
2004-08-10 08:57:18 AM  
Seriously, if i wasn't used to all the apps i use, i would pay the extra dough for mac just to spite Bill Gates.
2004-08-10 09:07:01 AM  
It by default turns on the firewall. This is bad for large network workplaces. If an end user installs SP2 then there machine can no longer accept forced updates, be remoted into, or be seen on the network.
2004-08-10 09:12:42 AM  
OS X/XP/2000/Debian user here.

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Please, think of the puppies.
2004-08-10 09:13:54 AM  
macs suck. Microsoft sucks.

PC's however, rule.
2004-08-10 09:19:03 AM  
XP = teh sux
2004-08-10 09:19:16 AM  
To keep an XP box trouble-free, you need to do 7 things (IMHO):

1) Do a clean install and download the most recent drivers for your hardware (including chipset drivers)
2) Install a good anti-virus package
3) Install a good firewall (or, at the very least, enable the built-in firewall)
4) Download your updates automatically and install them at your earliest convenience
5) Use a popup blocker (Google toolbar is free & simple)
6) If a web page asks you a question, always say "No"
7) Install a program like AdAware with AdWatch that monitors spyware-like activity on your machine

Virus free since 1993...
Last XP bluescreen: 4 months ago (a faulty driver)
2004-08-10 09:20:42 AM  
Standard procedure for any major company.

I agree with the Win98SE assessment. I have it running on my kids machine.
2004-08-10 09:22:26 AM  

2004-08-10 09:22:29 AM  
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2004-08-10 09:23:01 AM  
Does the link actually work for anyone?
2004-08-10 09:26:42 AM  
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2004-08-10 09:26:55 AM  
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