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(CNN)   U.S. troops returning from Afghanistan. Probably safer for them to remain there with all this coronavirus going on   (cnn.com) divider line
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2020-03-09 8:12:11 PM  
All part of the martial law plan
 
2020-03-09 10:50:49 PM  
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2020-03-09 10:54:38 PM  
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2020-03-09 10:55:56 PM  
 
2020-03-09 10:56:10 PM  
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2020-03-09 10:58:31 PM  

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Yeah I'm sure hes really gonna intimidate those Apache helicopters that blow him to smithereens
 
2020-03-09 11:01:59 PM  

AquaTatanka: Ivo Shandor: [Fark user image image 641x480]

Yeah I'm sure hes really gonna intimidate those Apache helicopters that blow him to smithereens


The Apaches (and the rest of the US troops who had been there 72 hours prior) all turned tail and fled. That Russian soldier came in and took that flag as a souvenir.
 
2020-03-09 11:02:21 PM  
A Stephen King book that you  kind of absorb and keeps you up at night.
 
2020-03-09 11:02:21 PM  
Afghanistan has a lot of travel to and fro with Iran. And approximately 0.0% of the reasonable amount of resources to screen travelers and deal with an epidemic.
But Trump says it's all a Democrat hoax, so no worries.
 
2020-03-09 11:06:12 PM  

AquaTatanka: Ivo Shandor: [Fark user image image 641x480]

Yeah I'm sure hes really gonna intimidate those Apache helicopters that blow him to smithereens


Good point. The US has enjoyed almost 20 years of continuous victory over there with its awesome weapons.
 
2020-03-09 11:06:55 PM  

King Something: AquaTatanka: Ivo Shandor: [Fark user image image 641x480]

Yeah I'm sure hes really gonna intimidate those Apache helicopters that blow him to smithereens

The Apaches (and the rest of the US troops who had been there 72 hours prior) all turned tail and fled. That Russian soldier came in and took that flag as a souvenir.


I didn't realize that was the base we had  Abandoned and just assumed he was another red blooded 'murican Patriot promoting the 2nd amendment.
 
2020-03-09 11:12:17 PM  

jaytkay: AquaTatanka: Ivo Shandor: [Fark user image image 641x480]

Yeah I'm sure hes really gonna intimidate those Apache helicopters that blow him to smithereens

Good point. The US has enjoyed almost 20 years of continuous victory over there with its awesome weapons.


The mighty space force totally defeated the talibans!
 
2020-03-09 11:19:28 PM  
This again.
"Leaving" Afghanistan.
Sure, Jan.
 
2020-03-09 11:20:45 PM  
But who raped the Corey's? I'm selling tickets to the third part for fedoras and spotlights.
 
2020-03-09 11:21:38 PM  
Drawing down to ~8,500. Not quite clearing out.
 
2020-03-09 11:35:54 PM  
But who is going to secure the poppy production?
 
2020-03-09 11:41:21 PM  
I saw this episode of Homeland. I won't spoil it for you, but shiat got real.
 
2020-03-10 12:29:49 AM  
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2020-03-10 1:22:07 AM  

jso2897: This again.
"Leaving" Afghanistan.
Sure, Jan.


This.
But let us use the phrase "withdrawing troops!" with any negative personnel flow.
 
2020-03-10 1:23:44 AM  
Right. So we gave them a timetable for removal of troops. Why aren't people mentioning this?
 
2020-03-10 1:41:12 AM  
Hmmmm. If it's "proving complex getting both sides to the table" then why are they ringing the dinner bell?
 
2020-03-10 3:02:58 AM  

Resident Muslim: jso2897: This again.
"Leaving" Afghanistan.
Sure, Jan.

This.
But let us use the phrase "withdrawing troops!" with any negative personnel flow.


Personally, I prefer "Pulling out" - let them handle the mess.  We were doing all the hard work anyways.  Not like they haven't had multiple explosions over the years...
 
2020-03-10 6:06:56 AM  

makerofbadjokes: Resident Muslim: jso2897: This again.
"Leaving" Afghanistan.
Sure, Jan.

This.
But let us use the phrase "withdrawing troops!" with any negative personnel flow.

Personally, I prefer "Pulling out" - let them handle the mess.  We were doing all the hard work anyways.  Not like they haven't had multiple explosions over the years...


Something about making your bed..
Afghanistan was justified, Iraq not so much
 
2020-03-10 10:01:33 AM  

rikkards: makerofbadjokes: Resident Muslim: jso2897: This again.
"Leaving" Afghanistan.
Sure, Jan.

This.
But let us use the phrase "withdrawing troops!" with any negative personnel flow.

Personally, I prefer "Pulling out" - let them handle the mess.  We were doing all the hard work anyways.  Not like they haven't had multiple explosions over the years...

Something about making your bed..
Afghanistan was justified, Iraq not so much


Ok, I'll say the politically incorrect thing:

It can be argued that they were equally "justified". One was for its promotion of terrorism as the primary means of settling modern disputes and the other was out of fear of WMDs being released onto a scene where terrorism-as-policy was the new normal.
The problem isn't going to war. War is easy. The problem starts with the aftermath and trying to come to a peaceful resolution when you've unleashed multiple warring factions.  You're sleeping in a bed that someone else is continually remaking.

The US is not in a position to do what needs to be done to build a nation. We can't leverage the necessary cruelty to make warring tribes behave. We needed to install our own government and rule directly with some fire and brimstone thinking. We needed to change their culture to match our sensibilities. We needed to indoctrinate their children and cull the outliers. We needed to actually develop these places in a holistic fashion.

...Which obviously can't be done in any politically acceptable way because we're talking about going full Stalin. So you're fighting a war you can't control in a nation you've left to the locals to mismanage.

I think there's a limit to how long you can do that without showing results. Letting them know there is a time limit is going to ratchet up the pressure. They'll either resolve their issues or fail.
After enough failures there will sooner or later be a dictator that succeeds at the cultural wipe-out that stabilizes things. Unfortunately that's how these blood feuds tend to end.
 
2020-03-10 11:49:07 AM  

way south: It can be argued that they were equally "justified". One was for its promotion of terrorism as the primary means of settling modern disputes and the other was out of fear of WMDs being released onto a scene where terrorism-as-policy was the new normal.


The difference being that there had been a real terrorist attack (mostly involving Saudis but whatever) whereas the "WMD" fear was pulled out of PNAC's ass.
 
2020-03-10 1:08:24 PM  

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I wonder if all that wasted gear is still down at the bottom of the Gulf?

The hueys were aluminum, weren't they?  So they should still be fairly identifiable.
 
2020-03-10 2:42:48 PM  

way south: It can be argued that they were equally "justified". One was for its promotion of terrorism as the primary means of settling modern disputes and the other was out of fear of WMDs being released onto a scene


There were no WMDs and the Bush administration knew it. Knight-Ridder was reporting in the fall of 2002 that CIA analysts were being bullied to report what Cheney wanted instead of the facts. Colin Powell's UN speech was mocked by anyone who was paying attention.

It was stupid to believe it at the time and unbelievable that someone still clings to it.
 
2020-03-10 3:44:43 PM  

jaytkay: It was stupid to believe it at the time and unbelievable that someone still clings to it.


The US had arranged for Iraq to get chemical weapons during the cold war. He had used them against Iran and against the Kurds. Israel had bombed suspected nuclear sites and assassinated technical experts to stall Saddam's plans. The risk of him enabling a third party was considered quite real.
It's pretty much the same situation in Libya. Qaddafi claimed he had dismantled his nuclear program but, being a brutal dictator, no one actually believed him. No one would pass up a chance to take him out.

Yes it's possible that every dictator or terrorist we've ever bombed was actually planning to retire gracefully and leave the region in a better place than they found it.  Often that isn't the case because these guys are monsters.  Betting on them is taking a terrible risk if you've just lost a few thousand people in one attack.
The terrorism game had reached a new level and people were quite paranoid about what that could mean.

If you want to play hindsight Nostradamus then ask why they intelligence experts didn't take Osama more seriously when it was clear he was building a massive private war machine of suicide fighters.
Instead they wait till the dust has settled to say what the best option might have been.

Which is a night thought experiment, but its not terribly useful.
 
2020-03-10 5:29:49 PM  

way south: If you want to play hindsight Nostradamus


Double down, dipshiat. It's what you do.

jaytkay: Knight-Ridder was reporting in the fall of 2002 that CIA analysts were being bullied to report what Cheney wanted instead of the facts. Colin Powell's UN speech was mocked by anyone who was paying attention.

 
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