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2020-03-08 9:54:38 AM  
It's the end of the world!  I can't buy six bottles of hand sanitizer!  /faint
 
2020-03-08 9:57:16 AM  
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2020-03-08 9:58:16 AM  
At least they'll be used to it by the time they can't get supplies from the continent.
 
2020-03-08 10:02:26 AM  
What happened to the "stiff upper lip" and "keep calm and carry on"? England I am disappoint.
 
2020-03-08 10:06:31 AM  
Save some of the sausage rolls please.
 
2020-03-08 10:08:27 AM  
Shoppers are limited to buying no more than five of each of the rationed goods, including antibacterial gels, wipes and sprays, dry pasta, UHT milk and some tinned vegetables
The rules apply in stores and online.
Waitrose has introduced a temporary cap on some items on its website, including some anti-bacterial soaps and wipes.


Evidence that the full impact of the word "coronavirus" is not getting across.
 
2020-03-08 10:10:30 AM  

Shaggy_C: What happened to the "stiff upper lip" and "keep calm and carry on"? England I am disappoint.


This is a country that kept wartime food rationing in place until the mid 1950s.
 
2020-03-08 10:16:36 AM  

orbister: Shoppers are limited to buying no more than five of each of the rationed goods, including antibacterial gels, wipes and sprays, dry pasta, UHT milk and some tinned vegetables
The rules apply in stores and online.
Waitrose has introduced a temporary cap on some items on its website, including some anti-bacterial soaps and wipes.

Evidence that the full impact of the word "coronavirus" is not getting across.


There is a tiny bit of logic in that COVID-19 is most deadly when someone already has an infection or disease (imagine having bacterial meningitis-- which is still apparently a thing in the UK-- and then getting corona), but yeah, for most people it's that they couldn't pass junior high biology.
 
2020-03-08 10:33:41 AM  
My son was sent home from school on Friday with a low grade fever (he has a cold). I stopped at Walgreens to buy some Motrin, and they were sold out. Went to CVS and they only had store brand left. I bought three. I'm not proud.
 
2020-03-08 10:36:16 AM  
People are going nuts in my opinion.  I don't know why but there is some sort of mass paranoia going on.  That is likely to end up doing more damage than the virus itself.
 
2020-03-08 10:37:36 AM  

T-Servo: orbister: Shoppers are limited to buying no more than five of each of the rationed goods, including antibacterial gels, wipes and sprays, dry pasta, UHT milk and some tinned vegetables
The rules apply in stores and online.
Waitrose has introduced a temporary cap on some items on its website, including some anti-bacterial soaps and wipes.

Evidence that the full impact of the word "coronavirus" is not getting across.

There is a tiny bit of logic in that COVID-19 is most deadly when someone already has an infection or disease (imagine having bacterial meningitis-- which is still apparently a thing in the UK-- and then getting corona), but yeah, for most people it's that they couldn't pass junior high biology.


If you got bacterial meningitis your chances weren't so hot to start with.
 
2020-03-08 10:37:49 AM  
I'e asked before and I'll ask again.  Does anyone know how much it cost to fly a cargo 747 from Sydney to LAX that is full of toilet paper?  Once we have those numbers, we can figure out the cost to London.
 
2020-03-08 10:41:37 AM  

Ima4nic8or: People are going nuts in my opinion.  I don't know why but there is some sort of mass paranoia going on.  That is likely to end up doing more damage than the virus itself.


People generally don't freak out in proportionally or properly to the threat presented. That's why it's the background of almost every horror movie.
 
2020-03-08 10:44:46 AM  

DON.MAC: I'e asked before and I'll ask again.  Does anyone know how much it cost to fly a cargo 747 from Sydney to LAX that is full of toilet paper?  Once we have those numbers, we can figure out the cost to London.


AP: Australian officials confirm to the AP they will no longer export toilet paper fearing shortages at home/massively clogged drains abroad.
 
2020-03-08 10:47:17 AM  

Bowen: My son was sent home from school on Friday with a low grade fever (he has a cold). I stopped at Walgreens to buy some Motrin, and they were sold out. Went to CVS and they only had store brand left. I bought three. I'm not proud.


At Costco last weekend and needed toilet paper. Not to stock up, just low on toilet paper. I'm a bit ashamed to admit I leaped through the crowd, onto a now empty pallet and hoisted my prize above my head in triumph - the last toilet paper in the store.

/it was Charmin - my wife never lets me get Charmin
//triple ply bliss
 
2020-03-08 10:48:44 AM  

orbister: Shoppers are limited to buying no more than five of each of the rationed goods, including antibacterial gels, wipes and sprays, dry pasta, UHT milk and some tinned vegetables
The rules apply in stores and online.
Waitrose has introduced a temporary cap on some items on its website, including some anti-bacterial soaps and wipes.

Evidence that the full impact of the word "coronavirus" is not getting across.


I've wondered about the washing / antibacterial / virus thing for a while, ^^these^^ finally got me to look into it.

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Soap molecules are amphipathic, meaning they have both polar and non-polar properties. This gives soap the ability to dissolve most types of molecules, making it easier to wash them off your hands (Figure 1). In terms of illness-causing germs, which are mostly bacteria and viruses, soap has a two-fold effect: one chemical and one behavioral. Firstly, the amphipathic nature of soap loosens the bacteria and viruses off your hands so they can be washed away more easily. Secondly, you tend to wash your hands for a longer period when using soap, because you try to rinse all of it away. Thus, regular soaps don't necessarily kill bacteria and viruses as much as they simply help you wash them off your skin.
 
2020-03-08 10:50:41 AM  
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2020-03-08 10:51:24 AM  
I bought a box of 48 small bottles of hand sanitizer a year ago, just because they're nice things to have if you're out and about and they were a bargain on ebay, so I'm well stocked up for now. Maybe I should start selling them on ebay for £5 each?

/Conflicting reports whether they do any good with Coronavirus anyway.
 
2020-03-08 11:04:04 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: I bought a box of 48 small bottles of hand sanitizer a year ago, just because they're nice things to have if you're out and about and they were a bargain on ebay, so I'm well stocked up for now. Maybe I should start selling them on ebay for £5 each?

/Conflicting reports whether they do any good with Coronavirus anyway.


How much do they usually sell for? Ebay has started removing the listings of price gougers.
 
2020-03-08 11:04:46 AM  
Also, the Safeway in Belmont (San Mateo County, CA) is limiting people to "only" five hand sanitizers or hand soaps.  The end of civilization is surely at hand.
 
2020-03-08 11:14:41 AM  

Bowen: My son was sent home from school on Friday with a low grade fever (he has a cold). I stopped at Walgreens to buy some Motrin, and they were sold out. Went to CVS and they only had store brand left. I bought three. I'm not proud.


The best part is that the landfills will start to be loaded a year from now, because people are panic-buying medicines and hand sanitizers that will not be used, and will be discarded because of expiration dates.
 
2020-03-08 11:29:43 AM  

J.R. 'Bob' Chinaski: Ima4nic8or: People are going nuts in my opinion.  I don't know why but there is some sort of mass paranoia going on.  That is likely to end up doing more damage than the virus itself.

People generally don't freak out in proportionally or properly to the threat presented. That's why it's the background of almost every horror movie.


I'd bet good money that it's a simple variation on the Dunning-Kruger curve.
 
2020-03-08 11:32:09 AM  

Ima4nic8or: People are going nuts in my opinion.  I don't know why but there is some sort of mass paranoia going on.  That is likely to end up doing more damage than the virus itself.


Suckers. Everyone should be stocking up on plastic tarps.
 
2020-03-08 11:40:02 AM  

big pig peaches: Ima4nic8or: People are going nuts in my opinion.  I don't know why but there is some sort of mass paranoia going on.  That is likely to end up doing more damage than the virus itself.

Suckers. Everyone should be stocking up on plastic tarps.


How many do you think is enough?  300?  400?  Also what about rope?
 
2020-03-08 11:44:08 AM  
I live in Ireland and what I find really funny is people heard about shortages of toilet paper in Japan and Australia (presumably because their supply chains lead back to China) and started panic buying it here.
 
2020-03-08 11:44:26 AM  
I'll admit that after a month of so of shopping day-by-day, I went ahead and did a 'big' shopping trip this week to restock my pantry with all of the basics that I'd pretty much used up.  And I bought the good lotion-infused tissues - no point in sandpapering my nose if I do get sick.
 
2020-03-08 11:49:04 AM  

orbister: Shoppers are limited to buying no more than five of each of the rationed goods, including antibacterial gels, wipes and sprays, dry pasta, UHT milk and some tinned vegetables
The rules apply in stores and online.
Waitrose has introduced a temporary cap on some items on its website, including some anti-bacterial soaps and wipes.

Evidence that the full impact of the word "coronavirus" is not getting across.


I have a bunch of antibacterial hand soap. They have isopropyl alcohol in them as an active ingredient. They could be marketed as "anti-microbial" but "antibacterial" apparently sells better.
 
2020-03-08 11:50:11 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: I bought a box of 48 small bottles of hand sanitizer a year ago, just because they're nice things to have if you're out and about and they were a bargain on ebay, so I'm well stocked up for now. Maybe I should start selling them on ebay for £5 each?

/Conflicting reports whether they do any good with Coronavirus anyway.


I'd guess a good bit of this "hording" is being done for just that reason. It's the same assholes that buy up all of whatever the hot new Christmas gift is every year and sell them on ebay for 10x the cost. It would only take a couple of people doing it to clear out inventory for miles around.
 
2020-03-08 11:53:16 AM  
I just don't understand the toilet paper thing. I haven't seen any suggestion that coronavirus, erms, loosens things up down there, and therefore that the need for toilet paper will be more than average. Furthermore, the expectation seems to be that the disease will peak here in three months and tail off after a further three, so those who do get it will on average wait three months and that's an awful lot of toilet paper in the meantime. Just how much are people panic buying?
 
2020-03-08 12:00:35 PM  

BolloxReader: orbister: Shoppers are limited to buying no more than five of each of the rationed goods, including antibacterial gels, wipes and sprays, dry pasta, UHT milk and some tinned vegetables
The rules apply in stores and online.
Waitrose has introduced a temporary cap on some items on its website, including some anti-bacterial soaps and wipes.

Evidence that the full impact of the word "coronavirus" is not getting across.

I have a bunch of antibacterial hand soap. They have isopropyl alcohol in them as an active ingredient. They could be marketed as "anti-microbial" but "antibacterial" apparently sells better.


Buy some hibiscrub for use at home.
 
2020-03-08 12:03:16 PM  

orbister: I just don't understand the toilet paper thing. I haven't seen any suggestion that coronavirus, erms, loosens things up down there, and therefore that the need for toilet paper will be more than average. Furthermore, the expectation seems to be that the disease will peak here in three months and tail off after a further three, so those who do get it will on average wait three months and that's an awful lot of toilet paper in the meantime. Just how much are people panic buying?


People are hearing "quarantine" and they are worried that they will be stuck in their houses for weeks at a time.  So they might run out of toilet paper.  So they are getting months' worth of toilet paper now.

But are they just adding that stuff to their existing supply, or are they storing it away?  I don't get that part.  Because if the former, they run the risk of running out if they are quarantined six months from now.  If the latter, they won't be able to find more when their normal supply runs out in a few weeks.
 
2020-03-08 12:07:27 PM  
Not just the UK.  In this corner of the USA, the supermarkets are rationing, too.

If you buy five of anything, the cash register stops accepting any more input until a manager comes over to either do a manual override (I guess for produce), or take away your excess stuff.

That's what I get for trying to buy ramen noodles.

Now we get to play "five items or less" with the people who invented "10 items or less" lines that aren't enforced.
 
2020-03-08 12:31:27 PM  

Boo_Guy: Carter Pewterschmidt: I bought a box of 48 small bottles of hand sanitizer a year ago, just because they're nice things to have if you're out and about and they were a bargain on ebay, so I'm well stocked up for now. Maybe I should start selling them on ebay for £5 each?

/Conflicting reports whether they do any good with Coronavirus anyway.

How much do they usually sell for? Ebay has started removing the listings of price gougers.


I paid £20 for a box of 48 times 60ml pocket size bottles, so 42p each. Looking at listings now there are some listed at £10 per bottle....
 
2020-03-08 12:44:16 PM  

reaperducer: Not just the UK.  In this corner of the USA, the supermarkets are rationing, too.

If you buy five of anything, the cash register stops accepting any more input until a manager comes over to either do a manual override (I guess for produce), or take away your excess stuff.

That's what I get for trying to buy ramen noodles.

Now we get to play "five items or less" with the people who invented "10 items or less" lines that aren't enforced.


Kroger in WI (Pick n Save) already instituted 5 total on cleaning and disinfecting items.

I work in the promo industry, and the number 1 item I'm selling right now are mini sanitizers. We normally sell about 1,000 a month from all our customers. I probably went through 1,000 on Friday alone.
 
2020-03-08 12:53:31 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Boo_Guy: Carter Pewterschmidt: I bought a box of 48 small bottles of hand sanitizer a year ago, just because they're nice things to have if you're out and about and they were a bargain on ebay, so I'm well stocked up for now. Maybe I should start selling them on ebay for £5 each?

/Conflicting reports whether they do any good with Coronavirus anyway.

How much do they usually sell for? Ebay has started removing the listings of price gougers.

I paid £20 for a box of 48 times 60ml pocket size bottles, so 42p each. Looking at listings now there are some listed at £10 per bottle....


I should've been more clear, how much do the individual bottles usually sell for in store?

A guy near me was selling bottles of sanitizer for 34 CAD that usually cost about 10 at retail and he had his listings removed.

https://www.latimes.com/business/tech​n​ology/story/2020-03-06/ebay-bans-n95-m​asks-hand-sanitizer-coronavirus-price-​gouging
 
2020-03-08 12:58:02 PM  
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2020-03-08 12:58:14 PM  

rebelyell2006: Bowen: My son was sent home from school on Friday with a low grade fever (he has a cold). I stopped at Walgreens to buy some Motrin, and they were sold out. Went to CVS and they only had store brand left. I bought three. I'm not proud.

The best part is that the landfills will start to be loaded a year from now, because people are panic-buying medicines and hand sanitizers that will not be used, and will be discarded because of expiration dates.


Mine are good to July 2021. I'll probably donate the two unopened ones to the food pantry this time next year.
 
2020-03-08 12:59:54 PM  
I panic bought toilet paper. I'm not proud, but we use a lot for medical reasons of one my family members, and I'll be damned if I'm going to risk running out.

/Still a lot available at my local Target, but the shelves were definitely not full.
 
2020-03-08 1:01:25 PM  

rebelyell2006: The best part is that the landfills will start to be loaded a year from now, because people are panic-buying medicines and hand sanitizers that will not be used, and will be discarded because of expiration dates.


Which is a shame because expiration dates on almost all medicines are straight-up bullshiat.
 
2020-03-08 1:14:19 PM  

Satan's Cheese Cancer: Bowen: My son was sent home from school on Friday with a low grade fever (he has a cold). I stopped at Walgreens to buy some Motrin, and they were sold out. Went to CVS and they only had store brand left. I bought three. I'm not proud.

At Costco last weekend and needed toilet paper. Not to stock up, just low on toilet paper. I'm a bit ashamed to admit I leaped through the crowd, onto a now empty pallet and hoisted my prize above my head in triumph - the last toilet paper in the store.

/it was Charmin - my wife never lets me get Charmin
//triple ply bliss


My supermarket this morning still had TP on the shelves, though the supply was looking depleted. They even had hand sanitizer, though that was because they had just gotten some in, according to the guy stocking the shelves. Probably will be gone by noon.
 
2020-03-08 1:18:05 PM  

Ima4nic8or: People are going nuts in my opinion.  I don't know why but there is some sort of mass paranoia going on.  That is likely to end up doing more damage than the virus itself.


You don't know why? Could it be the non-stop fear mongering perhaps? Smart money says yes.
 
2020-03-08 1:18:40 PM  
Get use to it.
 
2020-03-08 1:23:26 PM  

Ima4nic8or: People are going nuts in my opinion.  I don't know why but there is some sort of mass paranoia going on.  That is likely to end up doing more damage than the virus itself.


I think people are starting to realize how dependent they are on the infrastructure around them and when that is threatened they are scared. 

To some degree there is merit. 

I think any metropolitan area has about 3 days of isolation before things start going to shiat. Imagine NYC with no water or power for 3 days. No gas in the car to get out for those who do have cars and where do they go ?  What do they eat ? What do they drink ?
 
2020-03-08 1:25:52 PM  

eiger: I panic bought toilet paper. I'm not proud, but we use a lot for medical reasons of one my family members, and I'll be damned if I'm going to risk running out.


And what happens when you run out? Even hoarding for a bit doesn't guarantee a permanent solution. You just need to get creative. When I was in college and we ran out of toilet paper because of drunken/stoned laziness, I would just use pages from the various Sports Illustrateds and Playboys that we had in the bathroom. If you want to be "green" you can use a cloth and when you've gathered enough of them you can chuck your shiat towels into the washing machine at high temperature. It's no different than cloth diapers, really.
 
2020-03-08 1:28:49 PM  

eiger: rebelyell2006: The best part is that the landfills will start to be loaded a year from now, because people are panic-buying medicines and hand sanitizers that will not be used, and will be discarded because of expiration dates.

Which is a shame because expiration dates on almost all medicines are straight-up bullshiat.


I'm under the impression that expiry dates on medicines in particular are based on the half-life of the active ingredients; the expiry date is when the active ingredients are half as effective as when produced.

ICBW. It's obviously just something I've heard somewhere, could be a load of crap.
 
2020-03-08 1:31:56 PM  

rebelyell2006: orbister: I just don't understand the toilet paper thing. I haven't seen any suggestion that coronavirus, erms, loosens things up down there, and therefore that the need for toilet paper will be more than average. Furthermore, the expectation seems to be that the disease will peak here in three months and tail off after a further three, so those who do get it will on average wait three months and that's an awful lot of toilet paper in the meantime. Just how much are people panic buying?

People are hearing "quarantine" and they are worried that they will be stuck in their houses for weeks at a time.  So they might run out of toilet paper.  So they are getting months' worth of toilet paper now.

But are they just adding that stuff to their existing supply, or are they storing it away?  I don't get that part.  Because if the former, they run the risk of running out if they are quarantined six months from now.  If the latter, they won't be able to find more when their normal supply runs out in a few weeks.


No.
The whole toilet paper thing started about a week ago when a rumor started in Japan that there was going to be a shortage because of a difficulty importing the raw materials used in its manufacturing. The rumor got legs, and it's been evolving and spreading ever since, much like Covid-19.
 
2020-03-08 1:32:45 PM  

Shaggy_C: eiger: I panic bought toilet paper. I'm not proud, but we use a lot for medical reasons of one my family members, and I'll be damned if I'm going to risk running out.

And what happens when you run out? Even hoarding for a bit doesn't guarantee a permanent solution. You just need to get creative. When I was in college and we ran out of toilet paper because of drunken/stoned laziness, I would just use pages from the various Sports Illustrateds and Playboys that we had in the bathroom. If you want to be "green" you can use a cloth and when you've gathered enough of them you can chuck your shiat towels into the washing machine at high temperature. It's no different than cloth diapers, really.


I am getting old and watching the changes I have this perspective to offer

Plastic bags were created to save the trees. Come to find out we should have just planted trees

Glass bottles were replaced with plastic bottles because they were safer. No broken glass but now we have microplastics in everything. We also returned the glass bottles for reuse

Steel cans were replaced with plastic and aluminum because they were better for the environment. I live out in the desert where people dump shiat randomly. All the steel cans are rust piles surrounded by plastic bottles cans bags and aluminum cans 

I think perhaps we are doing it wrong
 
2020-03-08 1:37:32 PM  

geggam: Shaggy_C: eiger: I panic bought toilet paper. I'm not proud, but we use a lot for medical reasons of one my family members, and I'll be damned if I'm going to risk running out.

And what happens when you run out? Even hoarding for a bit doesn't guarantee a permanent solution. You just need to get creative. When I was in college and we ran out of toilet paper because of drunken/stoned laziness, I would just use pages from the various Sports Illustrateds and Playboys that we had in the bathroom. If you want to be "green" you can use a cloth and when you've gathered enough of them you can chuck your shiat towels into the washing machine at high temperature. It's no different than cloth diapers, really.

I am getting old and watching the changes I have this perspective to offer

Plastic bags were created to save the trees. Come to find out we should have just planted trees

Glass bottles were replaced with plastic bottles because they were safer. No broken glass but now we have microplastics in everything. We also returned the glass bottles for reuse

Steel cans were replaced with plastic and aluminum because they were better for the environment. I live out in the desert where people dump shiat randomly. All the steel cans are rust piles surrounded by plastic bottles cans bags and aluminum cans 

I think perhaps we are doing it wrong


Aha, yes. I got ya. You're saying we should shiat into steel cans and bury them in the forest.
 
2020-03-08 1:39:22 PM  

orbister: I just don't understand the toilet paper thing. I haven't seen any suggestion that coronavirus, erms, loosens things up down there, and therefore that the need for toilet paper will be more than average. Furthermore, the expectation seems to be that the disease will peak here in three months and tail off after a further three, so those who do get it will on average wait three months and that's an awful lot of toilet paper in the meantime. Just how much are people panic buying?


It was a concern (in Japan initially) that manufacturing and distribution (from China) would be shut down for an extended time, so the shelves would be empty when you did happen to run out. From there it spread as "hey, everyone else is suddenly stocking up on TP for some reason...".
 
2020-03-08 1:42:35 PM  

iron de havilland: eiger: rebelyell2006: The best part is that the landfills will start to be loaded a year from now, because people are panic-buying medicines and hand sanitizers that will not be used, and will be discarded because of expiration dates.

Which is a shame because expiration dates on almost all medicines are straight-up bullshiat.

I'm under the impression that expiry dates on medicines in particular are based on the half-life of the active ingredients; the expiry date is when the active ingredients are half as effective as when produced.

ICBW. It's obviously just something I've heard somewhere, could be a load of crap.


I researched this a while ago when we had some medicine about to go out of date and what I recall finding on reputable websites is that the dates are basically just made up and don't mean much of anything and are not the result of any logic or research. If I recall correctly, the military did some study on medicines kept in storage for a long time (something they have to do) and found that almost all of them were fine after even extended storage.

My understanding is that, at worst, some medicines might not be quite as effective if stored for an extended  period of time.

There is one, I think fairly rare, medicine that actually can become harmful if stored too long, but I don't remember what it was.
 
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