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(The Atlantic)   Trump has transformed the US Government from a professional meritocracy into teams of political loyalists overseeing miserable cowards   (theatlantic.com) divider line
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2020-03-02 10:05:44 AM  
That was the intention all along.  Trump started doing this before he was even sworn in.  That's just how Trump works.  His plan was to create USA Inc., a division of The Trump Corp.
 
2020-03-02 10:17:07 AM  
The only people who ever thought we were a meritocracy, from top to bottom and in any sense, were right-wingers.  And most of them still do.
 
2020-03-02 10:36:55 AM  
These morons that think government serves no purpose other than law enforcement will be sorry, if they live that long.
 
2020-03-02 10:52:17 AM  
This (along with the SCOTUS) is why it is so critical to vote blue this November. We cannot weather this storm. There will be no going back if he wins a second term.
 
2020-03-02 11:34:02 AM  

UberDave: The only people who ever thought we were a meritocracy, from top to bottom and in any sense, were right-wingers.  And most of them still do.


Actually, Republicans are the ones who think all government workers are lazy moochers. Until they need something.
 
2020-03-02 11:37:01 AM  

Psychopusher: That was the intention all along.  Trump started doing this before he was even sworn in.  That's just how Trump works.  His plan was to create USA Inc., a division of The Trump Corp.


This cannot be emphasized enough, and it's not just the intention of Trump, but of the Republican Party as a whole.

They're the ones that steered the moronic Trump in the direction that they wanted him to stomp, then let him stomp away. He takes the blame, claims the credit, but the benefits fall exactly as the GOP planned.
 
2020-03-02 11:37:13 AM  

Psychopusher: That was the intention all along.  Trump started doing this before he was even sworn in.  That's just how Trump works.  His plan was to create USA Inc., a division of The Trump Corp.


See:  Stephen K. Bannon and the "deconstruction of the administrative state"

As you said, their intention was never a secret.
 
2020-03-02 11:37:47 AM  
WE KNOW.
 
2020-03-02 11:38:24 AM  
 
2020-03-02 11:38:42 AM  
Did anybody think it was a meritocracy prior to this?
 
2020-03-02 11:38:57 AM  
Gonna. He said he was.
 
hej
2020-03-02 11:39:54 AM  
Not sure why TFA paints Trump as some savvy political warlord able to find the chink in anyone's armor when his entire strategy for shiatting all over everything can be summed up as "I can fire anyone I want".
 
2020-03-02 11:41:51 AM  
....because the American People didn't, and many still don't, understand what the current (and probably future POTUS  - for a long time) represents as a threat to their system.
 
2020-03-02 11:41:57 AM  

FlashHarry: This (along with the SCOTUS) is why it is so critical to vote blue this November. We cannot weather this storm. There will be no going back if he wins a second term.


Trump unchained, with no worries about being impeached because he knows the Senate has his back, no worries about re-election, no worries of the Justice department or Supreme Court holding him accountable, with an enemies list a mile long, knowing that he can grift to his heart's delight, able to ignore every problem that doesn't make him money personally, and hellbent on punishing the country for failing to grant him the popular vote to which he feels entitled (because he might win election, but it's doubtful he'll ever win the popular vote.)  Free to let loose every shiatty personality deficiency he has without restraint.  That's why he must not win.
 
2020-03-02 11:43:45 AM  
He said he was going to do this.

Every republican says they are going to do this.

It's the standard republican playbook. Spend every second of every day screaming, "The government does not work! Elect republicans and we will fix it!"

The very femtosecond they're elected, they set about gutting government institutions and programs, and hanging them by their entrails.

Then they turn right back around to the American public, with their hair-helmets and their garbage smiles, and say "Look, we told you government doesn't work, here's proof. But elect more of us and we'll fix it, we promise."

And the American rubes and proles lap it up like pigs lapping up slop. And so they swaddle themselves in a flag, and fall over themselves to vote straight ticket republican.

America has exactly the government it deserves.
 
2020-03-02 11:47:04 AM  
The core ethos of the post-Goldwater Republican party has been to prove the federal government does not work, and when they finish destroying it they will stand atop the rubble and say, "We told you so."
 
2020-03-02 11:48:58 AM  
And we told you this would happen.
 
2020-03-02 11:49:23 AM  

RyogaM: FlashHarry: This (along with the SCOTUS) is why it is so critical to vote blue this November. We cannot weather this storm. There will be no going back if he wins a second term.

Trump unchained, with no worries about being impeached because he knows the Senate has his back, no worries about re-election, no worries of the Justice department or Supreme Court holding him accountable, with an enemies list a mile long, knowing that he can grift to his heart's delight, able to ignore every problem that doesn't make him money personally, and hellbent on punishing the country for failing to grant him the popular vote to which he feels entitled (because he might win election, but it's doubtful he'll ever win the popular vote.)  Free to let loose every shiatty personality deficiency he has without restraint.  That's why he must not win.


Bears repeating.
These are very, scary times already.
I can't fathom another tRump term.
America is dead, dead, dead if he "wins". Game over, man...game over. 😢
 
2020-03-02 11:49:48 AM  
Hillary would have been just as bad.
 
2020-03-02 11:50:13 AM  
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(If it's not clear, they are commenting on a story about the CDC being unwilling to share testimony of doctors on the efficacy of different treatment options, ostensibly because they cannot do anything with Pence's need to review the contents of all messages to ensure they won't reflect badly on the administration.)
 
2020-03-02 11:52:41 AM  

mofa: Gonna. He said he was.


came here to say this with better sentence structure but a lack of proper letter case usage.
 
2020-03-02 11:54:21 AM  

misanthropicsob: Did anybody think it was a meritocracy prior to this?


The libs believe it.

I've met some competent people who worked in government, but many more who could never hold a job in the private sector.
 
2020-03-02 11:57:16 AM  
Aka feudalism, bad style. Why aren't you people calling him king yet? The king you were once so proud not to have?
 
2020-03-02 12:01:10 PM  
Also, Erica Newland is very attractive.

/ Wow.
 
2020-03-02 12:02:06 PM  

Weatherkiss: Hillary would have been just as bad.


Honestly, I can't tell anymore if this is satire or the glassy-eyed ravings of an actual BernieBro.
 
2020-03-02 12:05:33 PM  
Trump and his team are astonished that the government employs people who believe in government.
 
2020-03-02 12:09:36 PM  

Maestro's Girl: RyogaM: FlashHarry: This (along with the SCOTUS) is why it is so critical to vote blue this November. We cannot weather this storm. There will be no going back if he wins a second term.

Trump unchained, with no worries about being impeached because he knows the Senate has his back, no worries about re-election, no worries of the Justice department or Supreme Court holding him accountable, with an enemies list a mile long, knowing that he can grift to his heart's delight, able to ignore every problem that doesn't make him money personally, and hellbent on punishing the country for failing to grant him the popular vote to which he feels entitled (because he might win election, but it's doubtful he'll ever win the popular vote.)  Free to let loose every shiatty personality deficiency he has without restraint.  That's why he must not win.

Bears repeating.
These are very, scary times already.
I can't fathom another tRump term.
America is dead, dead, dead if he "wins". Game over, man...game over. 😢

Sorry to say, in many ways, it's already too late. Even if we have a complete GOP shutout in 2020 at all levels, the damage has been done.

Just for starters, Trump has already destroyed (not damaged, not decimated, not devastated ― destroyed ― made it not exist anymore) this nation's reputation for long-term trustworthiness in keeping our given word to other nations even after a change in administration. The Framers of our Constitution knew how important that was if we were ever to become a gerat nation like unto the European nations, so they elevated Treaties to Supreme Law of the Land status along with the Constitution itself in Article VI ¶2 (the Supremacy Clause). For the most (to other peer nations, anyway, if somewhat less so to Native American tribes and the like) we managed to keep our given word to other nations for about 2⅖ centuries, 44 Presidents, and 114 Congresses. GWB hurt it mightily with his abrogation of the nuclear arms proliferation treaty, but we might've recovered from that.

Now Trump, with the Paris Peace Accords, Iran Nuclear Deal, NAFTA, TPP, and more, has destroyed that reputation we upheld for so long. He flushed all those years and Presidents and Congresses worth of hard-earned reputation down the toilet forever, just to get back at Obama for making fun of his Birtherism bullying at a dinner. He has established the new reputation of the USA that will be our reputation from now on: any deal made in the name of the USA can only be trusted to last through the administration under which it was negotiated. A future President might not like the one that negotiated it and can consider it null and void.

The previous reputation is gone. It's just ― gone. Forever. We can't ever get that back, no matter who the next President is. Or the one after that. Or the one after that.
 
2020-03-02 12:11:42 PM  
It was NEVER a meritocracy.  Trump may be making it worse... but please don't reminisce about the good old days or I will have to get Obama to give you a talking to.
 
2020-03-02 12:12:16 PM  
That's a long, but excellent read.
 
2020-03-02 12:13:00 PM  
So - you hired an astrologer who believes electricity is a satanic hoax to wire your house, instead of an electrician - and now your house is on fire.
Well, duh.
 
2020-03-02 12:13:31 PM  

misanthropicsob: Did anybody think it was a meritocracy prior to this?


At the civil service level it was, yeah.
 
2020-03-02 12:14:53 PM  
Wasn't that a campaign promise?

From 1964!
And 1968!
And 1972!
And 1980!
And 1984...
 
2020-03-02 12:15:21 PM  

Gyrfalcon: misanthropicsob: Did anybody think it was a meritocracy prior to this?

At the civil service level it was, yeah.


It was maybe 40 years ago or so... but not now.
 
2020-03-02 12:15:44 PM  

dwrash: It was NEVER a meritocracy.  Trump may be making it worse... but please don't reminisce about the good old days or I will have to get Obama to give you a talking to.


No organization has ever been a pure meritocracy. It was a hell of a lot more of one before the Reaganites and Trumpanzees came along and shiat nihilism all over everything.
There's this thing in the real world they call "nuance".
 
2020-03-02 12:19:34 PM  

jso2897: dwrash: It was NEVER a meritocracy.  Trump may be making it worse... but please don't reminisce about the good old days or I will have to get Obama to give you a talking to.

No organization has ever been a pure meritocracy. It was a hell of a lot more of one before the Reaganites and Trumpanzees came along and shiat nihilism all over everything.
There's this thing in the real world they call "nuance".


I cannot remember how many times Obama threw shade in their direction.
 
2020-03-02 12:19:40 PM  

FlashHarry: Weatherkiss: Hillary would have been just as bad.

Honestly, I can't tell anymore if this is satire or the glassy-eyed ravings of an actual BernieBro.


What matters is that you believe in yourself.
 
2020-03-02 12:20:15 PM  
Step one: propose something horrible required to be carried out by a federal agency
Step two: horrible thing is stymied by principled and competent agency leads quitting in protest
Step three: open leadership positions are filled with incompetent toadies and other slime:
Step four: repeat with a different agency until the entire federal government is staffed with criminals and yes men and any cowardly holdovers

If Trump can ever actually be extricated from the White House, it will take an incredible bureaucratic purge to erase his stink, and which will be unironically denounced by conservative talking heads as a "dictator-like power play by a would be god king" and the Republican cycle of pretending rules and customs are important only when your team is losing begins anew.
 
2020-03-02 12:24:24 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: If Trump can ever actually be extricated from the White House, it will take an incredible bureaucratic purge to erase his stink, and which will be unironically denounced by conservative talking heads as a "dictator-like power play by a would be god king" and the Republican cycle of pretending rules and customs are important only when your team is losing begins anew.


So, Party politics as usual?  To the Republicans, they are removing the stink from the Democrats.....

SOP.
 
2020-03-02 12:25:01 PM  
We are definitely a klepto-kakistocracy. This administration is packed with people who are either in it for the grift, simply the least qualified people possible, or some combination thereof.

This is a government more intent on rooting out never trumpers than actually good government. Remember the story about a government agency spending months and god knows how much taxpayer money trying to find who tweeted a mild anti dear leader tweet. And now come the proscription lists.

Do your duty and vote these fools, thieves, and liars out.
 
2020-03-02 12:25:22 PM  

misanthropicsob: Did anybody think it was a meritocracy prior to this?


Kenny Loggins did.

/'cause that's what a fool believes
 
2020-03-02 12:25:47 PM  

FlashHarry: This (along with the SCOTUS) is why it is so critical to vote blue this November. We cannot weather this storm. There will be no going back if he wins a second term.


And Blue No Matter Who.  That means Bernie, Biden, or Bloomberg.

Of course, right now, it looks like Bernie will get 40% of the primary vote, everybody that controls the other 60% will vote for somebody else at the convention, Bernie will claim he was robbed by the Democratic Establishment, his fan base sits at home and doesn't vote, and Trump gets re-elected.
 
2020-03-02 12:26:01 PM  

misanthropicsob: Did anybody think it was a meritocracy prior to this?


Sure, let's ALL pretend the soup was terrible before the Republican Party let Trump take a sh*t in it.

Stop being so goddamn dull.
 
2020-03-02 12:26:05 PM  

hej: Not sure why TFA paints Trump as some savvy political warlord able to find the chink in anyone's armor when his entire strategy for shiatting all over everything can be summed up as "I can fire anyone I want".


...but not face to face.
 
2020-03-02 12:26:10 PM  

dwrash: jso2897: dwrash: It was NEVER a meritocracy.  Trump may be making it worse... but please don't reminisce about the good old days or I will have to get Obama to give you a talking to.

No organization has ever been a pure meritocracy. It was a hell of a lot more of one before the Reaganites and Trumpanzees came along and shiat nihilism all over everything.
There's this thing in the real world they call "nuance".

I cannot remember how many times Obama threw shade in their direction.


What shade? In whose direction? Relevant to Trump*. now, how?
 
2020-03-02 12:26:48 PM  
Yeah, well, if the American people didn't want that to happen, then maybe more than 25% of eligible voters should have showed up to vote for Clinton.
 
2020-03-02 12:28:12 PM  

Norquist Vagprobe: Yeah, well, if the American people didn't want that to happen, then maybe more than 25% of eligible voters should have showed up to vote for Clinton.


But she had Emails, and reminded incels of their unloving mothers.
 
2020-03-02 12:29:23 PM  

gar1013: misanthropicsob: Did anybody think it was a meritocracy prior to this?

The libs believe it.

I've met some competent people who worked in government, but many more who could never hold a job in the private sector.


Go fark yourself. For the most part, the goverment works. The government schools work. Government housing and assistance works. Yes, there is some waste and some abuse but the idea that the entire US Government is somehow totally incompetent is a farking GOP lie. Yes, there are people in government who couldn't make it in private sector. So what? There are people in the private sector that couldn't make in government. Guess what? Government isn't a business and shouldn't be run like one.

I would say the biggest threat to the US Government and the US people right now is the GOP and their agenda to take over goverment so they can destroy it.
 
2020-03-02 12:29:29 PM  

jso2897: Norquist Vagprobe: Yeah, well, if the American people didn't want that to happen, then maybe more than 25% of eligible voters should have showed up to vote for Clinton.

But she had Emails, and reminded incels of their unloving mothers.


And she didn't visit my hometown of Bumfark, Wisconsin.
 
2020-03-02 12:29:30 PM  

Secret Troll Alt: He said he was going to do this.

Every republican says they are going to do this.

It's the standard republican playbook. Spend every second of every day screaming, "The government does not work! Elect republicans and we will fix it!"

The very femtosecond they're elected, they set about gutting government institutions and programs, and hanging them by their entrails.

Then they turn right back around to the American public, with their hair-helmets and their garbage smiles, and say "Look, we told you government doesn't work, here's proof. But elect more of us and we'll fix it, we promise."

And the American rubes and proles lap it up like pigs lapping up slop. And so they swaddle themselves in a flag, and fall over themselves to vote straight ticket republican.

America has exactly the government it deserves.


Well, except a majority of people don't believe and support it. But we have a electoral system where the minority can rule over the majority.
 
2020-03-02 12:32:33 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Secret Troll Alt: He said he was going to do this.

Every republican says they are going to do this.

It's the standard republican playbook. Spend every second of every day screaming, "The government does not work! Elect republicans and we will fix it!"

The very femtosecond they're elected, they set about gutting government institutions and programs, and hanging them by their entrails.

Then they turn right back around to the American public, with their hair-helmets and their garbage smiles, and say "Look, we told you government doesn't work, here's proof. But elect more of us and we'll fix it, we promise."

And the American rubes and proles lap it up like pigs lapping up slop. And so they swaddle themselves in a flag, and fall over themselves to vote straight ticket republican.

America has exactly the government it deserves.

Well, except a majority of people don't believe and support it. But we have a electoral system where the minority can rule over the majority.


The 25% who voted Clinton don't represent a majority. The vast majority, the 25% who voted Trump and the 50% who didn't vote at all or voted third party, respectively, either actively support it or are ok enough with it to not do anything about it.
 
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