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(Slate)   Surgeon General's Warning: STOP BUYING THOSE F*CKING MASKS   (slate.com) divider line
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2020-03-01 12:08:54 AM  
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2020-03-01 12:19:16 AM  
I was playing poker last time I was up in the States. The number of people in the casino wearing masks.

Ok, you're scared of catching something. So you go to a place with thousands of people in close proximity and think that a mask will keep you safe?

The urge to gamble really is a powerful one sometimes.
 
2020-03-01 1:12:28 AM  
But our "President" proudly bragged in his press conference today that they had produced 47 million masks for Americans (hey, that's like almost 1 mask for every 6 Americans!!) and that "nobody thought it was possible" to get that done so efficiently so look how awesome he and his people are. Are you telling me that he might just possibly be completely full of shiat?!?
 
2020-03-01 2:09:20 AM  

Gubbo: I was playing poker last time I was up in the States. The number of people in the casino wearing masks.

Ok, you're scared of catching something. So you go to a place with thousands of people in close proximity and think that a mask will keep you safe?

The urge to gamble really is a powerful one sometimes.


I'll admit, I skipped a tournament this weekend, partly because I was feeling lazy and partly because of the virus sh*t. Just a hobby for me, so not a big deal, even though I am feeling the itch.
 
2020-03-01 4:30:29 AM  
Twitter is full of morons who think it's a conspiracy telling people that facemasks aren't effective for viruses.

Too many Americans think you can just buy your way to safety rather than listen to medical professionals.

I worry the lack of mandatory sick days/pay in the US is going accelerate the spread.
 
2020-03-01 6:14:26 AM  
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2020-03-01 6:17:32 AM  
Yeah, if you spend less than about £60 on your mask it will not stop a virus.

Get a good one from 3M if that is what you want it to do.
 
2020-03-01 6:21:02 AM  
I work with a couple of infectious disease specialists. The consensus is that if you're not sick, masks help a bit. Mostly by reminding you to not touch your face, but also by keeping other people away from you because they think you're sick.
 
2020-03-01 6:21:43 AM  
"Our primary concern is to ensure that our front line health workers are protected and that they have the equipment they need to do their jobs." But despite all the warnings and assurances that they are ineffective for regular people, it seems unlikely to decrease demand since going out to buy masks is more about psychology. "

What? So they only provide protection for health workers but not regular people? Is this like in a video game where you can use an item but to get all the benefits your character has to have a special skill unlocked?
 
2020-03-01 6:25:46 AM  
Lol.  Trump admin makes an announcement and people do the opposite.  Who could have possibly seen that coming?
 
2020-03-01 6:26:06 AM  
Walmart is still open right?????

Let me know when they close it down then I start worrying about this virus thingy.........
 
2020-03-01 6:26:46 AM  

dready zim: Yeah, if you spend less than about £60 on your mask it will not stop a virus.

Get a good one from 3M if that is what you want it to do.


I work for 3m and I do not recommend
 
2020-03-01 6:30:23 AM  

Eravior: "Our primary concern is to ensure that our front line health workers are protected and that they have the equipment they need to do their jobs." But despite all the warnings and assurances that they are ineffective for regular people, it seems unlikely to decrease demand since going out to buy masks is more about psychology. "

What? So they only provide protection for health workers but not regular people? Is this like in a video game where you can use an item but to get all the benefits your character has to have a special skill unlocked?


My understanding is that a mask needs to be properly fitted and that correct usage requires training.  One assumes that healthcare workers receive both, whereas your average yokel does not.

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2020-03-01 6:30:27 AM  

i ignore u: Lol.  Trump admin makes an announcement and people do the opposite.  Who could have possibly seen that coming?


If the announcement is flanked by 23 hours of "we're all going to die!" then it's not hard to see how we got here...
 
2020-03-01 6:35:04 AM  

SuperTramp: Eravior: "Our primary concern is to ensure that our front line health workers are protected and that they have the equipment they need to do their jobs." But despite all the warnings and assurances that they are ineffective for regular people, it seems unlikely to decrease demand since going out to buy masks is more about psychology. "

What? So they only provide protection for health workers but not regular people? Is this like in a video game where you can use an item but to get all the benefits your character has to have a special skill unlocked?

My understanding is that a mask needs to be properly fitted and that correct usage requires training.  One assumes that healthcare workers receive both, whereas your average yokel does not.

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Yes, this exactly. The sizing, how well it fits, donning/doffing, as well as what you are doing while wearing said mask all play a role in efficacy. Additionally, some people have particular face shapes/structure that your average mask simply won't properly seal regardless of training.

The average person doesn't know how to properly use it, so it's pretty much a waste of time for them to wear one.
 
2020-03-01 6:38:47 AM  
The way I see it is if they do no harm then what's the harm? and if they give a 1% edge, I'm having it.
But mostly they protect other people from MY sneezing and coughing.
 
2020-03-01 6:42:31 AM  

Gubbo: I was playing poker last time I was up in the States. The number of people in the casino wearing masks.

Ok, you're scared of catching something. So you go to a place with thousands of people in close proximity and think that a mask will keep you safe?

The urge to gamble really is a powerful one sometimes.


Did you make it out alive? :P
 
2020-03-01 6:48:53 AM  

SuperTramp: Eravior: "Our primary concern is to ensure that our front line health workers are protected and that they have the equipment they need to do their jobs." But despite all the warnings and assurances that they are ineffective for regular people, it seems unlikely to decrease demand since going out to buy masks is more about psychology. "

What? So they only provide protection for health workers but not regular people? Is this like in a video game where you can use an item but to get all the benefits your character has to have a special skill unlocked?

My understanding is that a mask needs to be properly fitted and that correct usage requires training.  One assumes that healthcare workers receive both, whereas your average yokel does not.

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The issue is that yokels who are not at risk are taking supplies away from healthcare workers workers who should be using the masks.
 
2020-03-01 6:53:12 AM  
This is where price gouging is a good thing. It keeps people from hoarding and provides an economic incentive to jack up production even if it means you may over produce.

Want a mask? They're now $1000 each. how many can I sign you up for?
 
2020-03-01 6:55:48 AM  
I'm convinced.
 
2020-03-01 6:56:17 AM  
So much for the free market!
 
2020-03-01 6:58:24 AM  
I agree with the mask thing, and EVERYONE should wash their filthy forepaws a lot more than they do now... but how are the people who can't afford to stay home - many of whom don't have health care insurance - supposed to quarantine themselves? They can't afford to see a physician, they can't afford to lose any of their shatty pay... and many are in the service sector where they come in direct contact with other people and their food and drinks.

This is going to be bad.

/leave the masks for those who need them and are trained to use them
 
2020-03-01 6:59:50 AM  
fark you, subby.  I'll wear mine right next to my shark repellent band.

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2020-03-01 7:03:09 AM  

jaytkay: SuperTramp: Eravior: "Our primary concern is to ensure that our front line health workers are protected and that they have the equipment they need to do their jobs." But despite all the warnings and assurances that they are ineffective for regular people, it seems unlikely to decrease demand since going out to buy masks is more about psychology. "

What? So they only provide protection for health workers but not regular people? Is this like in a video game where you can use an item but to get all the benefits your character has to have a special skill unlocked?

My understanding is that a mask needs to be properly fitted and that correct usage requires training.  One assumes that healthcare workers receive both, whereas your average yokel does not.

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The issue is that yokels who are not at risk are taking supplies away from healthcare workers workers who should be using the masks.


You are correct, sir.
 
2020-03-01 7:05:15 AM  
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2020-03-01 7:09:14 AM  
It took me about five minutes to convince myself that the tweet wasn't a parody account.  Official communications from the government should not begin with "Seriously people..."
 
2020-03-01 7:09:57 AM  

B0redd: The way I see it is if they do no harm then what's the harm? and if they give a 1% edge, I'm having it.
But mostly they protect other people from MY sneezing and coughing.


Filters are a numbers game.  A cheap mask is going to collect most larger things but gets bad with smaller things.  Viruses and gases are very small things and too small for any mask to get 100.000%.  Most viruses are hanging out with droplets so even a cheap mask has the ability to collect more than its rating would indicate.

The thing about viruses is that breathing them into the lungs or eating them isn't normally a problem due to natural defenses but many of the most nasty ones tend to get in the body through the eyes and then infect other systems through the bloodstream.  Humans and other mammals aren't effected by 99% of the viruses and germs they are exposed to every day.

I suspect that a good chemical splash goggles would be better than a mask.  A polycarbonate impact visor might be more useful than a mask but would be a cheap option.
 
2020-03-01 7:16:26 AM  
Well, duh. Said it repeatedly here, need to keep emphasizing it - the professionals wearing them, do so with a solid understanding of their benefits and limitations. They are not a security blanket for your face.

Wash your hands, and stop coughing into them. Stop touching your face. Sanitize commonly used surfaces at home. Avoid folks who look like they're sick, and stay home if you look like you're sick. That'll go a hell of a lot farther than buying & wearing what amounts to a coffee filter with ear loops.
 
2020-03-01 7:17:24 AM  

B0redd: The way I see it is if they do no harm then what's the harm? and if they give a 1% edge, I'm having it.
But mostly they protect other people from MY sneezing and coughing.


The harm is it keeps health care providers from getting one. Then the people who are supposed to treat the sick are now sick because Joe Blow needed to go to the casino instead of staying home where it's safe.
 
2020-03-01 7:18:24 AM  

DON.MAC: I suspect that a good chemical splash goggles would be better than a mask.  A polycarbonate impact visor might be more useful than a mask but would be a cheap option.


Or you could just stop grabbing doorknobs, then rubbing your eyes. Or standing near anyone dumb enough to cough without covering their mouth. There's no need to walk around looking like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar after a rough night.
 
2020-03-01 7:22:17 AM  
Wow so the surgeon general is contradicting the CDC's preparedness instructions.

This is exactly the kind of definitive leadership I expect out of a first world country as great as the US during a time of panic and uncertainty.

What a farking joke.
 
2020-03-01 7:22:37 AM  

Bowen: I work with a couple of infectious disease specialists. The consensus is that if you're not sick, masks help a bit. Mostly by reminding you to not touch your face, but also by keeping other people away from you because they think you're sick.


I'm about to go to the grocery store.  If I see anyone wearing a mask, I will point and laugh.  Point and laugh as they're pushing a recently handled germ laden cart.
 
2020-03-01 7:23:42 AM  

Close2TheEdge: fark you, subby.  I'll wear mine right next to my shark repellent band.

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You should probably also have a tiger rock.
Mine works great.
 
2020-03-01 7:31:21 AM  

tuxq: Wow so the surgeon general is contradicting the CDC's preparedness instructions.

This is exactly the kind of definitive leadership I expect out of a first world country as great as the US during a time of panic and uncertainty.

What a farking joke.


Clearly, some kind of hoax.

/Sorry.
 
2020-03-01 7:39:14 AM  

Ker_Thwap: tuxq: Wow so the surgeon general is contradicting the CDC's preparedness instructions.

This is exactly the kind of definitive leadership I expect out of a first world country as great as the US during a time of panic and uncertainty.

What a farking joke.

Clearly, some kind of hoax.

/Sorry.


What really grinds my gears is the federal government knew N95 masks would be in extremely high demand during a pandemic. Even the CDC recommends their use along with other hygiene and general guidelines.

Yet... the government did not assure their availability. There's no stockpile. In fact, 3M, the subsidy sucking conglomerate, makes them in China. So there chances of us even getting the supply to begin with is put at risk seeing as China is outbreak central for many historical viruses.

I kinda wish I didn't work at a hospital right now.
 
2020-03-01 7:40:37 AM  
The Surgeon General. Hmmmmm. Doesn't he work for Trump?
 
2020-03-01 7:42:48 AM  
Republicans: "The government can't be trusted to do anything right! Vote for us!"

Also Republicans: "Why won't the public heed our official edicts?"

/ also Republicans, after being voted out: "Look at this shiatshow! And look at who's in charge! Next time, vote for us!"
 
2020-03-01 7:44:49 AM  

tuxq: Wow so the surgeon general is contradicting the CDC's preparedness instructions.

This is exactly the kind of definitive leadership I expect out of a first world country as great as the US during a time of panic and uncertainty.

What a farking joke.


Uhh...

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2020-03-01 7:46:57 AM  
It's why I stopped masturbating in public. I'm not going to be the terrible parent exposing his kids to that deadly shiat.
 
2020-03-01 7:48:06 AM  
This makes me want to go out and buy some masks.
 
2020-03-01 7:51:21 AM  
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2020-03-01 7:56:52 AM  
I work in an industry that requires use of N95 respirators time proctect staff from airborne particles of pharmaceuticals and hazardous drugs. Due to this bullshiat. We are down to less than 2 week supply and none in our supply chain can deliver new masks for the foreseeable future. Will be switching to half-face and full-face respirators but the cartridges for this are also running low.

Who's gonna make your medication when you are sick if we don't have the proper PPE?

Also, the first wave of drug shortages is coming. Manufacturers in China have shut down and there are no secondary manufacturers available.

Good luck, everyone!!
 
2020-03-01 8:00:49 AM  

Insain2: Walmart is still open right?????

Let me know when they close it down then I start worrying about this virus thingy.........


Screw Wal Mart. Start panicking when they close the Waffle Houses.
 
2020-03-01 8:06:52 AM  

Cyberluddite: But our "President" proudly bragged in his press conference today that they had produced 47 million masks for Americans (hey, that's like almost 1 mask for every 6 Americans!!) and that "nobody thought it was possible" to get that done so efficiently so look how awesome he and his people are. Are you telling me that he might just possibly be completely full of shiat?!?


I'm guessing that anyone who wears a mask didn't vote for him and doesn't support him now.
 
2020-03-01 8:08:48 AM  
I  take a train to my job in the city.
I want to wear a mask but it is socially unacceptable.  I'd wear one even if there were no specific risk.  I don't like getting colds.
An Asian friend wore a mask and was accused of having coronavirus.

/gonna get sick
//economic efficiency creates crisis
 
2020-03-01 8:13:23 AM  

some dumb mentat: I work in an industry that requires use of N95 respirators time proctect staff from airborne particles of pharmaceuticals and hazardous drugs. Due to this bullshiat. We are down to less than 2 week supply and none in our supply chain can deliver new masks for the foreseeable future. Will be switching to half-face and full-face respirators but the cartridges for this are also running low.

Who's gonna make your medication when you are sick if we don't have the proper PPE?

Also, the first wave of drug shortages is coming. Manufacturers in China have shut down and there are no secondary manufacturers available.

Good luck, everyone!!


This is why you need competent people in charge. Medical facilities should be required to have more than a month's worth of supplies. We should also have warehouses filled with proper medical equipment paid for by tax dollars. shiat The FDA has people working at food processing factories to make sure workers are wearing proper clothing and following strict guidelines.
 
2020-03-01 8:32:26 AM  

Bowen: I work with a couple of infectious disease specialists. The consensus is that if you're not sick, masks help a bit. Mostly by reminding you to not touch your face, but also by keeping other people away from you because they think you're sick.


I've been wearing surgical gloves to work.
They remind me not to touch my face, act as a barrier between my hands and what surfaces I touch and holding up a hand in greeting keeps most folk the basic 3-6 feet from me.
They are also cheap and, so far, available.

I am firmly in the "nurses get first pick" camp - they do work I wouldn't want to. Every damned day.
 
2020-03-01 8:36:12 AM  

Zipf: I  take a train to my job in the city.
I want to wear a mask but it is socially unacceptable.  I'd wear one even if there were no specific risk.  I don't like getting colds.
An Asian friend wore a mask and was accused of having coronavirus.

/gonna get sick
//economic efficiency creates crisis


Maybe you should have a custom tee-shirt made for your friend to go with their mask wearing.

"It's not me, it's you"
"Sorry, just forgot to brush this morning is all"
"My wife is a germaphobe"

The potential for tee-shirts, worn by a masked person being scrutinized, is huge and possibly an opportunity for enlightened humor.
 
2020-03-01 8:37:08 AM  
"Made you look"
"It matches my eyes, I couldn't say no"

I mean - wild potential.
 
2020-03-01 8:37:55 AM  

B0redd: The way I see it is if they do no harm then what's the harm? and if they give a 1% edge, I'm having it.
But mostly they protect other people from MY sneezing and coughing.


My dentist told me they are now paying 10x the regular price for their masks -- if they can get them.
Multiply that by all the health care facilities in the country, and see how it adds up.
 
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