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(Politico)   The case for closing the Pentagon ...It's not needed, costs too much and is outdated for America's 21st century global needs   (politico.com) divider line
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2020-02-25 4:38:13 PM  
TFA had a similar title and there's hardly anything in there about why to close and what to replace it with. It's more like a long article on how the entire military is not what it needs to be for today's threat. Closing the Pentagon building won't fix that. That's my opinion because TFA didn't argue one way or the other. I think the author just wants the military to go away forever.
 
2020-02-25 4:39:23 PM  
I mean, ok, but are we still gonna maintain the nuclear plant underneath it?
 
2020-02-25 5:31:04 PM  
How weird will it look when the Joint Chiefs are huddled around a laptop at the Arlington Starbucks?
 
2020-02-25 6:42:18 PM  
Well, since we have privatized war for the corporate profit, why not?

We can keep rigging the game to shovel "volunteers" into the military meat grinder.

Just keep cranking out babies and undetefucated, unemployed young men will join to get the "free health care" we could give everyone if we hadn't privatized war for the corporate profit and rigged the game.

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose, and nothing is all of 'tis of thee.
 
2020-02-25 7:28:32 PM  

vudukungfu: Well, since we have privatized war for the corporate profit, why not?

We can keep rigging the game to shovel "volunteers" into the military meat grinder.

Just keep cranking out babies and undetefucated, unemployed young men will join to get the "free health care" we could give everyone if we hadn't privatized war for the corporate profit and rigged the game.

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose, and nothing is all of 'tis of thee.


It really bothers me that detefucated men have no real incentive to join.
 
2020-02-25 7:42:39 PM  

vudukungfu: Well, since we have privatized war for the corporate profit, why not?

We can keep rigging the game to shovel "volunteers" into the military meat grinder.

Just keep cranking out babies and undetefucated, unemployed young men will join to get the "free health care" we could give everyone if we hadn't privatized war for the corporate profit and rigged the game.

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose, and nothing is all of 'tis of thee.


You make up a word, I make up a meaning

un.de.tef.u.cat.ed
adjective
undetected defecation

Example In A Sentence
// After a quick extraction from the scene, performed reluctantly by the Secret Service, the president's Delhi Belly diarrhea remained undetefucated.
 
2020-02-25 7:44:59 PM  
SPACE FORCE
 
2020-02-25 7:45:13 PM  
Turn the whole thing into a paint ball Mecca.
 
2020-02-25 7:45:33 PM  
We need to decommision several carriers, stop being world police, and focus on getting the most punch for less money.
 
2020-02-25 7:46:12 PM  
So are the White House, the Kremlin, Buckingham Palace, etc. but we humans keep things like this because reasons.
 
2020-02-25 7:48:15 PM  
It's just billions of dollars that could otherwise be going straight into the supermassive black hole that is Donald Trump's pocket.
 
2020-02-25 7:48:17 PM  
We don't need the Pentagon, we have a Jared
 
2020-02-25 7:48:52 PM  
Sure, you can just get all that information on-line now.
 
2020-02-25 7:50:10 PM  
pentagone?
 
2020-02-25 7:50:27 PM  
Oh my god, every contractor with even a hint of a connection to the DoD just got an erection at the thought of how much $ they could make off replacing the Pentagon.
 
2020-02-25 7:50:32 PM  

AstroJesus: Sure, you can just get all that information on-line now.


And from Presidential Sharpies
 
2020-02-25 7:51:09 PM  

etoof: We don't need the Pentagon, we have an Jared Assange.


Fixed.
 
2020-02-25 7:55:15 PM  
Is the building falling apart? No? F*** off then.
 
2020-02-25 7:55:38 PM  
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2020-02-25 7:55:59 PM  

Call the Guy: vudukungfu: Well, since we have privatized war for the corporate profit, why not?

We can keep rigging the game to shovel "volunteers" into the military meat grinder.

Just keep cranking out babies and undetefucated, unemployed young men will join to get the "free health care" we could give everyone if we hadn't privatized war for the corporate profit and rigged the game.

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose, and nothing is all of 'tis of thee.

You make up a word, I make up a meaning

un.de.tef.u.cat.ed
adjective
undetected defecation

Example In A Sentence
// After a quick extraction from the scene, performed reluctantly by the Secret Service, the president's Delhi Belly diarrhea remained undetefucated.


What I really want to know is:

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2020-02-25 7:56:14 PM  
Trow da bums out
 
2020-02-25 7:57:07 PM  

dryknife: Trow da bums out


There are no trows on Fark.
 
2020-02-25 8:00:54 PM  
Though we need to cut back our unsustainable defense spending, the reasons given in the article aren't very good.

1. War has been recognized as a bad investment since before World War 1. There was actually a best selling book to that effect just prior to the war. Didn't stop anyone from fighting it, or waging a sequel.

2. Prior to Verdun, it was recognized as unassailable and so the troops were slowly withdrawn as the generals saw no reason in keeping them in a place where there was no chance of an attack... until they withdrew enough that the Germans attacked it. Same with our military. Yes, we invest a ton in researching weapons for inter-country conflicts that don't happen anymore. But part of that is because we invest so much.
 
2020-02-25 8:02:13 PM  

Call the Guy: vudukungfu: Well, since we have privatized war for the corporate profit, why not?

We can keep rigging the game to shovel "volunteers" into the military meat grinder.

Just keep cranking out babies and undetefucated, unemployed young men will join to get the "free health care" we could give everyone if we hadn't privatized war for the corporate profit and rigged the game.

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose, and nothing is all of 'tis of thee.

You make up a word, I make up a meaning

un.de.tef.u.cat.ed
adjective
undetected defecation

Example In A Sentence
// After a quick extraction from the scene, performed reluctantly by the Secret Service, the president's Delhi Belly diarrhea remained undetefucated.


I actually googled it, thinking I'd learned a new word, but Google autocorrected it to "uneducated," leaving me feeling somewhat undetefucated.
 
2020-02-25 8:02:55 PM  
Remember back in the FDR era, when even the Republicans were into the socialisms?

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2020-02-25 8:03:15 PM  
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2020-02-25 8:07:16 PM  
And just what are we supposed to do with the lloigor they have trapped in there?

/sadly obscure...
 
2020-02-25 8:07:57 PM  
It hasn't been the same since they took out the hot dog stand.
 
2020-02-25 8:13:12 PM  
Trump is taking away pentagon budget & "appropriating" it to well-connected cronies & The Wall. (I thought Trump said Mexico would pay for it)

Trump has already killed the deep state Pentagon, they just don't know it yet.
 
2020-02-25 8:17:59 PM  

HedlessChickn: I mean, ok, but are we still gonna maintain the nuclear plant underneath it?


We need to detain Magneto somehow.
 
2020-02-25 8:18:02 PM  

iheartscotch: Is the building falling apart?


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Well, not currently
 
2020-02-25 8:21:34 PM  

HedlessChickn: I mean, ok, but are we still gonna maintain the nuclear plant underneath it?


Tin foil stocks went up two points, after your post.
 
2020-02-25 8:23:31 PM  

Cathedralmaster: Though we need to cut back our unsustainable defense spending, the reasons given in the article aren't very good.

1. War has been recognized as a bad investment since before World War 1. There was actually a best selling book to that effect just prior to the war. Didn't stop anyone from fighting it, or waging a sequel.



Quark solves the problem of War with Economics
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2020-02-25 8:24:51 PM  
Amazon Supreme Headquarters
 
2020-02-25 8:26:25 PM  
From the article:

"But interstate conflicts are going away. The last great power war began eight decades ago, and battlefield conflict has been on a declining trend since 1945. Battle deaths per 1 million people worldwide since World War II peaked at above 200 during the Korean War, reached about 100 at the height of the Vietnam War and plateaued at about 50 during the Cold War conflicts of the 1980s. In 2018, the number of deaths was around seven per 1 million people. Journalist Gregg Easterbrook reports that the last major naval engagement was in 1944, the last large air battle was in 1972 and the last major tank engagement was in the early 1990s."

Maybe there's a reason for that....Like I don't know, the US DOD?
 
2020-02-25 8:31:06 PM  
Yes.

Much like the CDC and USAMRIID, right? And ambassadors, and embassies. Hell, who needs any of that shiat?
 
2020-02-25 8:33:28 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: How weird will it look when the Joint Chiefs are huddled around a laptop at the Arlington Starbucks?


Theres a Trump property somewhere that will accommodate them
 
2020-02-25 8:37:35 PM  
Submitter left out it makes a hell of a target.
 
2020-02-25 8:45:56 PM  

Brandi Morgan: From the article:

"But interstate conflicts are going away. The last great power war began eight decades ago, and battlefield conflict has been on a declining trend since 1945. Battle deaths per 1 million people worldwide since World War II peaked at above 200 during the Korean War, reached about 100 at the height of the Vietnam War and plateaued at about 50 during the Cold War conflicts of the 1980s. In 2018, the number of deaths was around seven per 1 million people. Journalist Gregg Easterbrook reports that the last major naval engagement was in 1944, the last large air battle was in 1972 and the last major tank engagement was in the early 1990s."

Maybe there's a reason for that....Like I don't know, the US DOD?


Based on the wording the reason could be growth in global population.  What a shiat stat
 
2020-02-25 8:47:36 PM  

edmo: TFA had a similar title and there's hardly anything in there about why to close and what to replace it with. It's more like a long article on how the entire military is not what it needs to be for today's threat. Closing the Pentagon building won't fix that. That's my opinion because TFA didn't argue one way or the other. I think the author just wants the military to go away forever.


How about those reasons:

1) ain't enough scif space inside, or in all of Crystal City and Alexandria

2) it's a big target, and there aren't a lot of reasons to maintain a big low ride office building in the Skype era aside from having a place to show off to all the foreign officers parading around
 
2020-02-25 8:51:04 PM  

Brandi Morgan: From the article:

"But interstate conflicts are going away. The last great power war began eight decades ago, and battlefield conflict has been on a declining trend since 1945. Battle deaths per 1 million people worldwide since World War II peaked at above 200 during the Korean War, reached about 100 at the height of the Vietnam War and plateaued at about 50 during the Cold War conflicts of the 1980s. In 2018, the number of deaths was around seven per 1 million people. Journalist Gregg Easterbrook reports that the last major naval engagement was in 1944, the last large air battle was in 1972 and the last major tank engagement was in the early 1990s."

Maybe there's a reason for that....Like I don't know, the US DOD?


No.  The U.S.'s massive swinging, over-compensating dick of a military is an expensive farce and does more to destabilize the world than it does promoting "peace."  People still wage local wars with or without U.S. involvement.

The problems with modern war, and I will try to keep this really short, are numerous, but you can boil it down to 3 points.

First, it's too farking expensive to wage war like we did in World War 2.  Hundred million dollar fighters, multi-billion dollar stealth bombers...all of which are too expensive, time-consuming, and resource-intensive to replace.  We flipped our shiat when a early-gen stealth fighter was shot down in the Balkans; can you imagine the holy shiat-storm if we lost a F-35 or F-22 in combat?  A case in point is the A10 ground support bomber.  It was designed originally for one, and only one, particular arena of fighting: the Fulda Gap.  But when the Cold War started winding down, we had to re-purpose it.  Fortunately, it still performs well for the type of fighting we do (when we fight conventionally), but even now, it's showing its age because very little of our fighting is conventional.  The A10 is far less than optimal fighting guerillas in Afghanistan that don't utilize tanks.

Second is one of manpower and resources.  During WW2, The U.S. had a plan to simultaneously field 100 divisions (that's roughly 1.5 million men, plus support personnel, plus thousands of airplanes/pilots and shiat-tons of ships/sailors) without impacting production.  And that's with a ton of recycling and rationing on the part of civilians.  Can you imagine this shiat-boxing country doing that now?  No?  Then why the fark would any other country?

And finally, it is far more cheaper, in terms of economics and resources, to wage asymmetrical warfare.  Be it guerilla warfare, cyber warfare, drones...our SOCOM guys are still solid (SEAL farkery aside...much props to Group and the Delta Boys for at least keeping their shenanigans out of the papers...) and our drones are 2nd to none, which is why both see far, FAR more action than our bloated navy, air force, and regular army.  And the current block of shiat-heads want to increase our naval size...

So other countries are following suit.  Cheap drones, special operations, and cyber warfare, political infiltration and influence are now the way to wage war.  And we just spent the last 3 years burning a great deal of our soft power (political infiltration and influence) because Republicans are farkered and decided an incredibly stupid religious zealot should be in charge of the State Department and we really didn't want or need experienced foreign service agents at our embassies.

We could still trim our defense budget by a couple of hundred billion dollars and still be King Turd of shiat Mountain though.
 
2020-02-25 8:58:32 PM  
The case for closing the Pentagon ...It's not needed, costs too much and is outdated for America's 21st century global needs

sincerely,
Vladimir Putin.
 
2020-02-25 9:01:56 PM  
 
2020-02-25 9:02:12 PM  

edmo: TFA had a similar title and there's hardly anything in there about why to close and what to replace it with. It's more like a long article on how the entire military is not what it needs to be for today's threat. Closing the Pentagon building won't fix that. That's my opinion because TFA didn't argue one way or the other. I think the author just wants the military to go away forever.


Yeah, they close the pentagon and build what? 117 more buildings? Because the pentagon is farking huge, and those people have to work somewhere...
 
2020-02-25 9:05:12 PM  
What are we gonna do with the big board?!?
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2020-02-25 9:05:26 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: Call the Guy: vudukungfu: Well, since we have privatized war for the corporate profit, why not?

We can keep rigging the game to shovel "volunteers" into the military meat grinder.

Just keep cranking out babies and undetefucated, unemployed young men will join to get the "free health care" we could give everyone if we hadn't privatized war for the corporate profit and rigged the game.

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose, and nothing is all of 'tis of thee.

You make up a word, I make up a meaning

un.de.tef.u.cat.ed
adjective
undetected defecation

Example In A Sentence
// After a quick extraction from the scene, performed reluctantly by the Secret Service, the president's Delhi Belly diarrhea remained undetefucated.

I actually googled it, thinking I'd learned a new word, but Google autocorrected it to "uneducated," leaving me feeling somewhat undetefucated.


I just googled it and the only result shot right back here.  We just witnessed the birth of a word.
 
2020-02-25 9:23:36 PM  

RogermcAllen: Barricaded Gunman: Call the Guy: vudukungfu: Well, since we have privatized war for the corporate profit, why not?

We can keep rigging the game to shovel "volunteers" into the military meat grinder.

Just keep cranking out babies and undetefucated, unemployed young men will join to get the "free health care" we could give everyone if we hadn't privatized war for the corporate profit and rigged the game.

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose, and nothing is all of 'tis of thee.

You make up a word, I make up a meaning

un.de.tef.u.cat.ed
adjective
undetected defecation

Example In A Sentence
// After a quick extraction from the scene, performed reluctantly by the Secret Service, the president's Delhi Belly diarrhea remained undetefucated.

I actually googled it, thinking I'd learned a new word, but Google autocorrected it to "uneducated," leaving me feeling somewhat undetefucated.

I just googled it and the only result shot right back here.  We just witnessed the birth of a word.


A new chapter in the great book, "Profiles In Cromulence".
 
2020-02-25 9:47:53 PM  
Question: WHO WOULD BENEFIT MOST FROM THIS?

 
2020-02-25 9:48:04 PM  

edmo: TFA had a similar title and there's hardly anything in there about why to close and what to replace it with. It's more like a long article on how the entire military is not what it needs to be for today's threat. Closing the Pentagon building won't fix that. That's my opinion because TFA didn't argue one way or the other. I think the author just wants the military to go away forever.


In like the first paragraph it's mentioned that the place was designed to be easily converted into a records storage center. Don't blame the writer for your inability to read.
 
2020-02-25 9:48:47 PM  

Mikey1969: edmo: TFA had a similar title and there's hardly anything in there about why to close and what to replace it with. It's more like a long article on how the entire military is not what it needs to be for today's threat. Closing the Pentagon building won't fix that. That's my opinion because TFA didn't argue one way or the other. I think the author just wants the military to go away forever.

Yeah, they close the pentagon and build what? 117 more buildings? Because the pentagon is farking huge, and those people have to work somewhere...


They don't have too.  We really have no need for a military capable of fighting the entire rest of the world in one go.  We could cut taxes and pay for universal health care if we cut the military down to a reasonable size.  Hell if we just trimmed the fat, we could save big.   The navy has more admirals than ships, iirc.   That is not a effective command structure.   That's just a farking joke.
 
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