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(Some Guy)   Scientists identify chemical compound in elderberries that immobilizes flu virus. Also claim it smells like your father   (returntonow.net) divider line
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2020-02-25 5:33:52 PM  
"Article" from December 2019, from a website [Return to Now] that is dedicated to helping humans live fully in the present, while gleaning tips on how to do so from our distant past. It's a new kind of "news" website, whose contributors are not as concerned with current events as we are with the whole of the human experience. Topics will include rewilding, primitivism, modern "tribal" living, tips for getting off the grid, sustainability, natural health, peaceful parenting, and sexual and spiritual awakening.

Uh, huh. The study they link to is in an Elsevier publication that now requires the author to pay $1750 to publish. Here is a "visual abstract" of the article:
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2020-02-25 6:38:00 PM  
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2020-02-25 6:41:20 PM  
Plenty of the blue ones around here in summer, good excuse to make a batch of jam...
 
2020-02-25 6:45:08 PM  
Ya, let me know when the study is peer reviewed and replicated. Also, not published on a site with an article that says seaweed is better than antibiotics.
 
2020-02-25 6:47:23 PM  
Quick buy elderberry!

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2020-02-25 6:47:29 PM  
Interesting if true, but remarkably scant on details.

I assume this was of course a large scale double-blind study by certified physicians, peer reviewed, and independently duplicated?
 
2020-02-25 6:51:33 PM  
I'm choosing to interpret this as drink more elderflower liqueur and champagne.  Berries, flowers, whatever, because science!
 
2020-02-25 6:53:22 PM  

GrogSmash: Interesting if true, but remarkably scant on details.

I assume this was of course a large scale double-blind study by certified physicians, peer reviewed, and independently duplicated?


Funny you should ask....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti​c​les/PMC3056848/
 
2020-02-25 6:54:55 PM  
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You're only like 30 years late to the party of anthocyanidines pal.
Elderberry is actually a nice tea even if it does smell slightly of your mother.
 
2020-02-25 6:55:09 PM  
Elderberries? What is this the farking Dark Ages? Are there vikings approaching from the east?

This is the 21st mutherfocking century! We can now go online, obtain essential oils from around the globe, and have them delivered to our doorstep in a couple days!

What is wrong with you people? Did your mother vaccinate you as a child or something? JEESH!
 
2020-02-25 6:57:28 PM  

skiinstructor: Plenty of the blue ones around here in summer, good excuse to make a batch of jam...


When I was a kid I brought a bunch home.   My grandma knew what they were.   She said bring me more and I will make jelly.    It was the greatest summers after that.

Love me some Elderberry Jelly

/   RIP Grandma
 
2020-02-25 7:00:02 PM  
OK, boomerberry
 
2020-02-25 7:02:05 PM  
Robitussin make me feel so fine
Robitussin and elderberry wine
Hey grandma
Hey grandma


- Moby Grape
"Hey Grandma" 1967
 
2020-02-25 7:04:49 PM  
Elder God berries are even more delicious.
 
2020-02-25 7:06:10 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Elder God berries are even more delicious.


Hehe... You're just trying to get everyone insane.
 
2020-02-25 7:07:54 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Elder God berries are even more delicious.


Especially if eaten last.
 
2020-02-25 7:15:31 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Elder God berries are even more delicious.


Drink your Cthulhutine
 
2020-02-25 7:17:45 PM  

jayphat: Ya, let me know when the study is peer reviewed and replicated. Also, not published on a site with an article that says seaweed is better than antibiotics.


While I agree with your assessment I will buy ( and consume) some St Germain liqueur just to be safe
 
2020-02-25 7:21:24 PM  
This one guy mixed acai berries with elderberries and he became immortal, I heard.
 
2020-02-25 7:24:54 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Elder God berries are even more delicious.

Drink your Cthulhutine


Who put the homeopathic spleen in Mrs. Murphy's Cthulhutine?

(In his house at R'lyeh appalled Cthulhu lies spinning.)
 
2020-02-25 7:31:27 PM  
So drink elderberry wine when you have a flu? *shrugs* I've heard worse suggestions.
 
2020-02-25 7:35:05 PM  

germ78: So drink elderberry wine when you have a flu? *shrugs* I've heard worse suggestions.


You are a germ; I am not going to trust your advice on this topic.
 
2020-02-25 7:41:28 PM  

Captain Shaky: germ78: So drink elderberry wine when you have a flu? *shrugs* I've heard worse suggestions.

You are a germ; I am not going to trust your advice on this topic.


But some lady who's a friend of a facebook friend of somebody's sister's cousin who works at a nail salon studied it out and did her own research! Despite what all the scientists have agreed on for over a century, she says those stuffy scholars and doctors have it all wrong and germ78 is actually very good for you. As a matter of fact you should obtain germ78 and rub it all over your face.
 
2020-02-25 7:53:22 PM  
Might be a little old for a lot of farkers, but:

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2020-02-25 8:08:45 PM  
Genetic report on maternal Cricetinae lineage strangely absent
 
2020-02-25 8:09:45 PM  

Znuh: GrogSmash: Interesting if true, but remarkably scant on details.

I assume this was of course a large scale double-blind study by certified physicians, peer reviewed, and independently duplicated?

Funny you should ask....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic​les/PMC3056848/


FTFP:
The study was partially funded by BerryPharma AG (to S.P. and T.H.).

BerryPharma provided the Elderberry extract. I don't know why the researchers didn't make their own.

Also, this is an in vitro as opposed to a clinical study.

Also, doing only (the authors say "at least") three runs per experiment and expecting the statistics to be meaningful . . .?

I haven't read the paper in depth, but I would say that this is a reasonable preliminary study at best.

It's great for marketing, though. "Studies have conclusively shown that our product is effective against the flu! Buy some today!"

Sigh.

IMHO, drawing conclusions from preliminary or almost-rigorous science is worse than drawing conclusions from bogus science. At least the latter can be easily debunked.
 
2020-02-25 8:40:42 PM  
I ....don't...know.

I hate it when someone says, "Consider the Source" but -  Here's another article from the same webpage.

"https://returntonow.net/2020/02/20/3​-y​ear-old-finds-pink-grasshopper-in-his-​garden/ "
 
2020-02-25 9:14:06 PM  
I once bought a quart of honey that was allegedly made by bees that harvested from Elderberry flowers in South Georgia.  I have no reason to doubt the guy, to be honest, I was buying it anyhow just because he had two different "flavors."

What a spiffy honey.  It had a little bite to it.  Wonderful stuff.  I wish I got his card/phone number so I could find him again.
 
2020-02-25 9:20:44 PM  
 
2020-02-25 9:21:50 PM  
oh well, off by 8 minutes
 
2020-02-25 9:23:16 PM  
GitOffaMyLawn:

IMHO, drawing conclusions from preliminary or almost-rigorous science is worse than drawing conclusions from bogus science. At least the latter can be easily debunked.

Did a little more digging, it's interesting stuff (and you're 100% correct): 

"Elderberry Supplementation Reduces Cold Duration and Symptoms in Air-Travellers: A Randomized, Double-Blind Placebo-Controlled Clinical Trial"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti​c​les/PMC4848651/
 
2020-02-25 9:47:27 PM  
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2020-02-25 10:21:24 PM  

skiinstructor: Plenty of the blue ones around here in summer, good excuse to make a batch of jam...


They're very abundant here on the north coast (CA) too. I'm not particularly fond of the taste though.
 
2020-02-25 10:22:05 PM  
Gotz ta luv the old home remedies!!!
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2020-02-25 10:41:24 PM  

Insain2: Gotz ta luv the old home remedies!!![Fark user image image 425x306]


I found a jug in my basement (I have no idea how old it is but the house is 1850's) that was once full of "White Pine Cough Syrup."  Four percent Heroin and four percent Morphine.  "Leg shot off!?  Here take some cough syrup."

/it's full of auto coolant now.
//No, I didn't taste it
 
2020-02-25 10:48:22 PM  
Only if your mother was a hamster?
 
2020-02-25 11:49:51 PM  
Maple. Maypole.
Catch and carry.
Ash and Ember.
Elderberry.
 
2020-02-26 12:13:07 AM  

phrawgh: As a matter of fact you should obtain germ78 and rub it all over your face.


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2020-02-26 6:22:12 AM  
Elder berries? Are there any junior berries?
 
2020-02-26 8:56:08 AM  
It's only a model.
 
2020-02-26 1:01:32 PM  

FkYouFkYouFkYou-WhosNext: Might be a little old for a lot of farkers, but:

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I was just looking for that movie recently.  Had a hankering to watch it after reply to someone with the quote "Insanity runs in my family. It practically gallops."  Wanted to show the kids.  Now I'm going to have to go and look for it harder.
 
2020-02-26 7:28:07 PM  

CaptainOrangeCat: FkYouFkYouFkYou-WhosNext: Might be a little old for a lot of farkers, but:

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I was just looking for that movie recently.  Had a hankering to watch it after reply to someone with the quote "Insanity runs in my family. It practically gallops."  Wanted to show the kids.  Now I'm going to have to go and look for it harder.


When my family got our first VCR our first tape had three movies:  African Queen, Casablanca and Arsenic and Old Lace.  I watched it endlessly (I think I was about eight or so, 1983ish).

/CHARGE THE BLOCKHOUSE!!
//I'm pretty sure I still have it
///our second tape had Errol Flynn's Robbinhood, The Court Jester and Seven Brides for Seven Brothers
 
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