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(Politico)   The latest threat to 5G in the US? The Pentagon   (politico.com) divider line
    More: Interesting, United States Department of Defense, Wireless, Frequency allocation, Wireless network, valuable slice of the wireless spectrum, Pentagon's share, Newt Gingrich, wireless networks  
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2020-02-23 2:09:10 PM  
Threat? Perhaps one should pay attention to available frequencies when designing a 5G system.

The military has what it has; it's their sliver. It has designed to it for many decades now. Many interoperable systems are deployed across the spectrum and across services and with allies. They don't like to say which things go where.
 
2020-02-23 3:36:10 PM  
Why not just make 4G louder, and have that be the highest number?
 
2020-02-23 4:53:38 PM  
ZOMG GOVERNMNT CONTROLING OPPURTUNITY FER PROFITS!!!!

/idk
 
2020-02-23 4:54:48 PM  

edmo: Threat? Perhaps one should pay attention to available frequencies when designing a 5G system.


Believe it or not, the US makes up a small minority of the world's population.  Other countries don't have the same spectrum allocations...
 
2020-02-23 4:57:06 PM  
Um, if the Pentagon wants that, they can have it.

The beef is with Comcast, Verizon, etc.

The Pentagon wants to fight climate change, they've wanted to for a long time but Republicans stop them. Out of everything that's pissed me off over the years, the Pentagon is low on the list.
 
2020-02-23 5:00:17 PM  
Having wideband communications devices in the hands of consumers who like to tinker and circuit bend would likely be a nightmare scenario for certain federal government sanctioned entities.

/pay no attention to the little man behind the curtain
 
2020-02-23 5:00:41 PM  
Taking internet away from the Pentagon, would make Putin happy.

So how about we not. Okay?
 
2020-02-23 5:02:07 PM  
Why not just get 4G working fully first.
 
2020-02-23 5:03:10 PM  

HighOnCraic: Why not just make 4G louder, and have that be the highest number?


The G goes all the way to 11?
 
2020-02-23 5:05:03 PM  

Sin'sHero: HighOnCraic: Why not just make 4G louder, and have that be the highest number?

The G goes all the way to 11?


Yeah, but good luck finding it.
 
2020-02-23 5:13:11 PM  
If the Pentagon kills 5G, say goodbye to Batman.

/According to the 'bye bye batsy' thread in the Geek tab
 
2020-02-23 5:13:47 PM  
It's a source of indefinite amusement and disappointment that hardly any consumer knows what G even farking is except that higher numbers are better.
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2020-02-23 5:23:35 PM  
All y'all talking bout 5G and I haven't even been able to find my wife's 1G.
 
2020-02-23 5:24:58 PM  

berylman: It's a source of indefinite amusement and disappointment that hardly any consumer knows what G even farking is except that higher numbers are better.
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If I had 6g I could probably Google it.
 
2020-02-23 5:29:17 PM  

Purple_Urkle: Um, if the Pentagon wants that, they can have it.

The beef is with Comcast, Verizon, etc.

The Pentagon wants to fight climate change, they've wanted to for a long time but Republicans stop them. Out of everything that's pissed me off over the years, the Pentagon is low on the list.


From a defense standpoint, climate change is a massive military threat because you then have a lot more aggressive powers fighting over increasingly dwindled resources.

As for 5G, Huawei is really the only major supplier of the 5G infrastructure and they've been a known asset of Chinese intelligence. As of now, 5G doesn't give the needed benefits to be worth the risk of having China tapped into all communications.
 
2020-02-23 5:36:20 PM  

wrs1864: edmo: Threat? Perhaps one should pay attention to available frequencies when designing a 5G system.

Believe it or not, the US makes up a small minority of the world's population.  Other countries don't have the same spectrum allocations...


Point taken but with an allocation they stick to it. With no such reservation, they'll feel free to walk all over any frequency they please.
 
2020-02-23 5:38:39 PM  

wrs1864: edmo: Threat? Perhaps one should pay attention to available frequencies when designing a 5G system.

Believe it or not, the US makes up a small minority of the world's population.  Other countries don't have the same spectrum allocations...


And other countries will design and build telecom devices that will never work in the US.  Eventually the US may end up having to bring manufacturing back to the US.
 
2020-02-23 5:38:41 PM  

Purple_Urkle: Taking internet away from the Pentagon, would make Putin happy.

So how about we not. Okay?


Noop you, Donald the enlistment duck wants 5G so fark the military and hello Mr Putin, sir.  Also my garage door opener is on a military frequency. When they are using it or whatever they do, mine will not open. I live near Lockheed AFB.
 
2020-02-23 5:45:49 PM  
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On a moonless night, if you saw Vladimir Putin in half and soak the chunks in cola, the chunks will reform into Peter Thiel and Karl Rove.

I do not trust Karl Rove, I do not trust Peter Thiel. I trust the Pentagon.
 
2020-02-23 5:56:03 PM  
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2020-02-23 6:03:18 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: wrs1864: edmo: Threat? Perhaps one should pay attention to available frequencies when designing a 5G system.

Believe it or not, the US makes up a small minority of the world's population.  Other countries don't have the same spectrum allocations...

And other countries will design and build telecom devices that will never work in the US.  Eventually the US may end up having to bring manufacturing back to the US.


No, what will happen is that you'll have to pay China/Korea/Japan a premium to build US-specific versions that can only be used in the US while the other 95% of the world population uses a global standard
 
2020-02-23 6:25:36 PM  

berylman: It's a source of indefinite amusement and disappointment that hardly any consumer knows what G even farking is except that higher numbers are better.
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Generation?
 
2020-02-23 6:34:17 PM  
Once again the cell phone companies are trying to steal military spectrum and don't care what it breaks or how much it costs to fix.  These same companies are full speed ahead trying to take weather forecasting back to 1970s vintage accuracy

People would be amazed on how many billions we lose out on the high dollar spectrum auctions and need to design and build new gear.
 
2020-02-23 6:38:51 PM  
5G is looking so DoA to me right now. Like 4G, you know, the real 4G before we got 3G on high because it turned out WiMax was a pain. I wonder if we'll get another bolt-on for GSM, or if this will actually work out in the end somehow.
 
2020-02-23 6:40:02 PM  
Im still assf*cking the Pentagon for making me wait 2-3 years for DVDs

/gfy
 
2020-02-23 6:44:08 PM  
Yeah, but if 5G fails, DC comics will go out of business.
 
2020-02-23 6:46:47 PM  
The real threat is Donald Trump. He stole all of our current G's, and we're never getting them back.
 
2020-02-23 6:47:23 PM  

somedude210: Purple_Urkle: Um, if the Pentagon wants that, they can have it.

The beef is with Comcast, Verizon, etc.

The Pentagon wants to fight climate change, they've wanted to for a long time but Republicans stop them. Out of everything that's pissed me off over the years, the Pentagon is low on the list.

From a defense standpoint, climate change is a massive military threat because you then have a lot more aggressive powers fighting over increasingly dwindled resources.

As for 5G, Huawei is really the only major supplier of the 5G infrastructure and they've been a known asset of Chinese intelligence. As of now, 5G doesn't give the needed benefits to be worth the risk of having China tapped into all communications.


Got a cite for that 'known asset' bit?
 
2020-02-23 6:49:20 PM  

HairyNevus: Sin'sHero: HighOnCraic: Why not just make 4G louder, and have that be the highest number?

The G goes all the way to 11?

Yeah, but good luck finding it.


I spotted it once, but it got away.
 
2020-02-23 6:50:20 PM  
I thought that the military bands were allocated internationally?
 
2020-02-23 6:52:50 PM  
Read up on signal bandwith sometime. It's amazing how it's all broken down and allocated, and how this current round of upgrades is actually hurting musicians, of all things.

\short version: every time a frequency gets given to telecommunications, pretty much everyone in the entertainment industry has to upgrade their wireless transmitters to a tighter and tighter spectrum
 
2020-02-23 7:11:21 PM  
It's reassuring that this issue will be decided by old white men who have their aides print out their emails, and text at 5 words per minute by stabbing the screen with an index finger while squinting and frowning.
 
2020-02-23 7:14:06 PM  

Scaley: somedude210: Purple_Urkle: Um, if the Pentagon wants that, they can have it.

The beef is with Comcast, Verizon, etc.

The Pentagon wants to fight climate change, they've wanted to for a long time but Republicans stop them. Out of everything that's pissed me off over the years, the Pentagon is low on the list.

From a defense standpoint, climate change is a massive military threat because you then have a lot more aggressive powers fighting over increasingly dwindled resources.

As for 5G, Huawei is really the only major supplier of the 5G infrastructure and they've been a known asset of Chinese intelligence. As of now, 5G doesn't give the needed benefits to be worth the risk of having China tapped into all communications.

Got a cite for that 'known asset' bit?


The get massive funding/investments/subsidies from the Chinese government, and Chinese companies don't get to tell their government "no" when they want to get access to things.

/Although I'd guess that the US's biggest beef with Huawei isn't who can spy on the users, but more about who can't.
 
2020-02-23 7:23:55 PM  
Being a remote control aircraft enthusiast for decades.. I am watching the government add cost after cost and there is currently a bill in congress that will kill the hobby.  Cell companies keep buying our frequencies which require us to purchase new transmitters and receivers every few years.
 
2020-02-23 8:04:57 PM  

dwrash: Being a remote control aircraft enthusiast for decades.. I am watching the government add cost after cost and there is currently a bill in congress that will kill the hobby.  Cell companies keep buying our frequencies which require us to purchase new transmitters and receivers every few years.


What's the frequency dwrash?
 
2020-02-23 8:32:54 PM  
So, is there really something suspicious that investigators have found in Huawei's 5G equipment, or is this just fear mongering?
 
2020-02-23 8:51:25 PM  

Blahbbs: So, is there really something suspicious that investigators have found in Huawei's 5G equipment, or is this just fear mongering?


Investigators don't have to be involved. They've been caught doing it for years. It's not something you should be afraid of personally but they absolutely do Snoop your private data for trade secrets, military info, secret company data, and just general blackmail worthy dirt. The DOD specifically warns it's people about it periodically.
There Chinese government isn't the only concern. Those backdoors are used by thieves as security exploits. It's not a big deal if you continue to upgrade but time increases the likelihood they'll be found and exploited, reducing the security of your device exponentially over time.
You should also be concerned about other tech giants and similar trade practices. Cell phones are designed to track you and transmit information. People are mystified to find out that governments and businesses are interested in that data.
 
2020-02-23 9:21:17 PM  

Purple_Urkle: [Fark user image image 425x718]

On a moonless night, if you saw Vladimir Putin in half and soak the chunks in cola, the chunks will reform into Peter Thiel and Karl Rove.

I do not trust Karl Rove, I do not trust Peter Thiel. I trust the Pentagon.


And having that rapacious fiend Parscale's name mentioned in that grouping, I'm rather suspicious. Parscale and Kushner plan to get Trump re-elected, and they plan to use whatever technology they can possibly wield themselves in order to do so; criminally, if possible. It's their default setting after all.
 
2020-02-23 9:25:51 PM  

Purple_Urkle: The beef is with Comcast, Verizon, etc.


Verizon: But we need5G so consumers reach the throttling threshold faster!
 
2020-02-23 10:46:25 PM  

Parthenogenetic: It's reassuring that this issue will be decided by old white men who have their aides print out their emails, and text at 5 words per minute by stabbing the screen with an index finger while squinting and frowning.


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