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(The Hill)   I'll take political ideologies for $600 Alex. The answer: Something you can describe in detail that almost everyone agrees with until you say its name   (thehill.com) divider line
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2020-02-11 11:38:55 AM  
Better question: would you support a candidate that wants to protect and increase Medicare and Social security the largest socialist programs in the US?

Follow up: do you know trump is trying to cut social security and Medicare?
 
2020-02-11 11:50:20 AM  
What is "The Fark Politics Tab?"
 
2020-02-11 11:52:27 AM  
Then give it a kickass name and market the sh*t out of it.

This is America, that's how you do it.
 
2020-02-11 12:47:55 PM  
Real MrKKKans only favor those socialist programs that benefit them personally and directly... as long as you use the word "socialism." OTOH, if it has any possibility of any benefit for anybody else, then it is the most horrible, awful thing ever in the history of the known, visible universe.

An entire nation of egocentric, pathological morons. Yay!
 
2020-02-11 1:34:08 PM  
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2020-02-11 1:36:07 PM  
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2020-02-11 1:41:23 PM  
Most Americans wouldn't know socialism if it bit them on the ass.
 
2020-02-11 1:57:24 PM  
Gallop also has Trump's approval around 50%.  They're Rasssmusen lite.
 
2020-02-11 1:58:43 PM  

oa330_man: Most Americans wouldn't know socialism if it bit them on the ass.


They still won't vote for a socialist, though.
 
2020-02-11 1:59:08 PM  
Well it's a damn good thing that (Democratic Socialist != Socialist).
 
2020-02-11 1:59:08 PM  
What is education?
 
2020-02-11 1:59:28 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Then give it a kickass name and market the sh*t out of it.

This is America, that's how you do it.


Freed-iberty, now with extra pizzazz.
 
2020-02-11 1:59:36 PM  
Goddamn this country is stupid sometimes.
 
2020-02-11 2:00:11 PM  
What could also be your preferred Star Wars trilogy.

/yes, I have seen people defend the prequels
 
2020-02-11 2:00:11 PM  

Magruda: Well it's a damn good thing that (Democratic Socialist != Socialist).


I heard Nazis were Socialists, too!  It's even in the name!  Whargblghghlglgllglg!
 
2020-02-11 2:00:33 PM  

Pincy: Goddamn this country is stupid sometimes.


Sometimes?
 
2020-02-11 2:02:05 PM  
As far as I can tell, conservatives these days define socialism as "those damn poors are getting something that I don't think they deserve!".
 
2020-02-11 2:02:12 PM  
No joke, I thought the answer was going to be "racism."
 
2020-02-11 2:02:15 PM  

oa330_man: Most Americans wouldn't know socialism if it bit them on the ass.


Let alone democratic socialism.
FTA: The term "democratic socialist" does not appear to have been polled by Gallup in its survey.
 
2020-02-11 2:03:07 PM  
Voters: We love the ACA!
Also voters: We hate Obamacare!
 
2020-02-11 2:03:21 PM  
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2020-02-11 2:03:29 PM  

JinxofSpades: Magruda: Well it's a damn good thing that (Democratic Socialist != Socialist).

I heard Nazis were Socialists, too!  It's even in the name!  Whargblghghlglgllglg!


Yep, and Mussolini runs the Post Office.
 
2020-02-11 2:04:01 PM  

Magruda: Well it's a damn good thing that (Democratic Socialist != Socialist).


Seems like a poor marketing strategy to not name it something else.
 
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2020-02-11 2:05:08 PM  

Magruda: Well it's a damn good thing that (Democratic Socialist != Socialist).


good luck educating the entirety of America on that distinction in 9 months when Bernie's been trying for four years and people still think socialism = communism.
 
2020-02-11 2:06:33 PM  
We already have socialism for businesses and the wealthy.
 
2020-02-11 2:08:26 PM  

MFK: Magruda: Well it's a damn good thing that (Democratic Socialist != Socialist).

good luck educating the entirety of America on that distinction in 9 months when Bernie's been trying for four years and people still think socialism = communism.


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2020-02-11 2:08:59 PM  

Magruda: JinxofSpades: Magruda: Well it's a damn good thing that (Democratic Socialist != Socialist).

I heard Nazis were Socialists, too!  It's even in the name!  Whargblghghlglgllglg!

Yep, and Mussolini runs the Post Office.



OMG I knew it!
There's no way a stamp costs that much now!
 
2020-02-11 2:09:08 PM  

MinatoArisato013: What could also be your preferred Star Wars trilogy.

/yes, I have seen people defend the prequels


Well they certainly seem to shine when compared to the sequels, sort of how W shines now that we have our latest Oval Office warmer*
 
2020-02-11 2:09:14 PM  
Do the math.

45% would, 53% wouldn't, +/- 4%. (So, anything from 49%-49% to 41%-57%.) Out of a thousand adults, surveyed over a two-week period. From a population of about 217 million folks eligible to vote. This is what you should be reading here:

"We surveyed 0.0004% of the population and determined that the results thus represent the population - and that even with that, the margin of error encompasses a possible tie in the results."
 
2020-02-11 2:11:20 PM  

DarnoKonrad: Gallop also has Trump's approval around 50%.  They're Rasssmusen lite.


Currently they have him at 49% (the highest they've ever had him).  But 538 gives Gallup a B with a 0.8% Republican bias.

Rasmussen gets a C+ with a 1.5% Republican bias.  Bit of a difference.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/​p​ollster-ratings/

https://news.gallup.com/poll/284156/t​r​ump-job-approval-personal-best.aspx

Trump has definitely improved (by a point or two) since the impeachment.  He's currently at 43.8%.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/​t​rump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo

That 49% seems high, but it's probably just a fluke.  Gallup hasn't polled exceptionally high for Trump in the past.
 
2020-02-11 2:11:40 PM  

lilplatinum: Magruda: Well it's a damn good thing that (Democratic Socialist != Socialist).

Seems like a poor marketing strategy to not name it something else.


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2020-02-11 2:11:45 PM  

Gratch: As far as I can tell, conservatives these days define socialism as "those damn poors are getting something that I don't think they deserve!".


Bingo.
Democrats are afraid that those who need help, aren't getting help.
Republicans are afraid that those who don't need help, are getting help.
Libertarians are afraid that others are getting help.
Teabaggers are afraid.
 
2020-02-11 2:12:12 PM  
The Trump Organization's ersatz real estate empire was built on a foundation of city/state tax breaks, subsidies, and other giveaways worth almost a billion$.

They've been feeding at the gov't trough since before Ivanka was born, and at a rate far higher than any other Manhattan developer.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/18/ny​r​egion/donald-trump-tax-breaks-real-est​ate.html

Normal people call this socialism.
 
2020-02-11 2:12:33 PM  
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2020-02-11 2:12:35 PM  
Fun fact: The countries we like to point to with universal healthcare and free education (Canada, Germany, Sweden, Norway, etc...) are all Democratic Capitalist countries with free trade and private property rights.

"Democratic Socialism" IS Capitalism, just marketed to people who think Capitalism is bad.

So yeah, talk about something everyone agrees on until you say the name...
 
2020-02-11 2:12:39 PM  

Magruda: Well it's a damn good thing that (Democratic Socialist != Socialist).


You actually expect the average voter to make any distinction between the two?

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2020-02-11 2:13:44 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Then give it a kickass name and market the sh*t out of it.

This is America, that's how you do it.


Are you a bad enough brochacho to take on the Berninator and smash your vote for Medicare? Are you?!
 
2020-02-11 2:13:50 PM  

Magruda: lilplatinum: Magruda: Well it's a damn good thing that (Democratic Socialist != Socialist).

Seems like a poor marketing strategy to not name it something else.

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What?  Why would you possibly not just name your economic theory something without less baggage amongst the audience your trying to get to buy it.

Notice how McDonalds doesn't call them "Deep friend mechanically separated chicken meat, bones, connective tissue, nerves, and blood vessels" and instead opts for "all white meat chicken nuggets"?
 
2020-02-11 2:15:41 PM  
Then Sanders walked into enemy territory and explained what his stances were. And he got applauded for it.

/it's almost as if it's not a hard sell, and that the corporate media wants you to believe otherwise
//BOOGABOOGA
 
2020-02-11 2:17:33 PM  

anjin-san: Fun fact: The countries we like to point to with universal healthcare and free education (Canada, Germany, Sweden, Norway, etc...) are all Democratic Capitalist countries with free trade and private property rights.

"Democratic Socialism" IS Capitalism, just marketed to people who think Capitalism is bad.

So yeah, talk about something everyone agrees on until you say the name...


Germany actually went with "Social Market Economy" which I think would be a slightly better sell than "Democratic Socialists" amongst mouth breathers in America.
 
2020-02-11 2:19:55 PM  
• "Would you support ensuring that nobody literally dies from being poor?"

Of course! I'm not a monster!

• "Would you support a guarantee of health care, good nutrition, a quality education, and safe housing for all children?"

Yes, no child should have basic needs go unmet because their parents are poor.

"Would you support making sure the disabled can live in dignity, even if they can't work?"

That only makes sense.

"Even if it means rich people have to pay more in taxes?"

Obviously. Nobody should go hungry just so a rich person can get richer.

"Would you vote for a socialist?"

WUT? NOW WAIT JUST A GODDAM MINNIT
 
2020-02-11 2:21:58 PM  
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2020-02-11 2:22:30 PM  
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2020-02-11 2:25:47 PM  
The irony is that most of those who say they wouldn't vote for a "socialist" have that reaction because of the decades of the Cold War where a "socialist" was feared because they would help the Russians or the Chinese take over America.

In 2020, if you don't vote for the socialist (assume Bernie is the nominee), you'll be helping the Russians and the Chinese take over America through their puppets Trump and McConnell.

/is irony the right term there? Maybe "f*cking shame" works better.
 
2020-02-11 2:27:21 PM  

lilplatinum: Magruda: lilplatinum: Magruda: Well it's a damn good thing that (Democratic Socialist != Socialist).

Seems like a poor marketing strategy to not name it something else.

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What?  Why would you possibly not just name your economic theory something without less baggage amongst the audience your trying to get to buy it.

Notice how McDonalds doesn't call them "Deep friend mechanically separated chicken meat, bones, connective tissue, nerves, and blood vessels" and instead opts for "all white meat chicken nuggets"?


Probably because it's not in socialism's nature to redress something misleading in an attempt to try and sell it. That's capitalism.
 
2020-02-11 2:29:52 PM  

Magruda: lilplatinum: Magruda: lilplatinum: Magruda: Well it's a damn good thing that (Democratic Socialist != Socialist).

Seems like a poor marketing strategy to not name it something else.

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What?  Why would you possibly not just name your economic theory something without less baggage amongst the audience your trying to get to buy it.

Notice how McDonalds doesn't call them "Deep friend mechanically separated chicken meat, bones, connective tissue, nerves, and blood vessels" and instead opts for "all white meat chicken nuggets"?

Probably because it's not in socialism's nature to redress something misleading in an attempt to try and sell it. That's capitalism.


There is no "nature" of socialism, socialism can mean any of several dozen different economic and political philosophies.  But hey, an unwillingness to budge in order to deal with political reality certainly epitomizes the Sanders strain of it.
 
2020-02-11 2:34:34 PM  
Oooh, oooh, now poll them how they feel about neoliberalism.
 
2020-02-11 2:36:48 PM  

ColdFusion: Oooh, oooh, now poll them how they feel about neoliberalism.


They probably think it has something to do with the Matrix.
 
2020-02-11 2:39:43 PM  

lilplatinum: Why would you possibly not just name your economic theory something without less baggage amongst the audience your trying to get to buy it.


because it's only got baggage to boomers and early gen-xers whose brains have been poisoned by red scare propaganda and lead.
 
2020-02-11 2:44:51 PM  
I'm gonna guess it's "Just the tip".
 
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