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2020-02-09 2:49:31 PM  
You're not kidding:

After chaos of Iowa, Democratic unity threatened by circular firing squad in New Hampshire

A yearlong quest to find the strongest candidate to challenge President Donald Trump is opening with strains of chaos and contention among Democrats, as the party braces for an epic battle of ideology, personality and electability that many party leaders fear could complicate the ultimate goal of winning back the White House.


...So candidates in an election are running against one another, like candidates do in every election, and somehow pundits are losing their mind over how weird and destructive this is.

It's like Iowa created the narrative that the Democratic party is collapsing, and literally everything the media sees, even the simple fact that a primary is taking place, is being seen through that lens.
 
2020-02-09 3:06:49 PM  
I often wonder how many people think this is their vote for President and then never show up in November.
 
2020-02-09 3:41:48 PM  

NewportBarGuy: I often wonder how many people think this is their vote for President and then never show up in November.


Surely none

Who is going to be so clued in on the process that you would vote in the primary but not the general
 
2020-02-09 4:57:22 PM  
I just got my FL primary mail in ballot.

1)  Pretty much everyone is still on it.
2)  It is SUPER unclear on when it needs to be mailed by/received.
 
2020-02-09 5:08:02 PM  

Diogenes: I just got my FL primary mail in ballot.

1)  Pretty much everyone is still on it.
2)  It is SUPER unclear on when it needs to be mailed by/received.


Ah Florida. Never change
 
2020-02-09 6:14:09 PM  
Yes. I remember the 2008 circular firing squad after Clinton's 3 am phone call ad. If not for such internal bickering Obama might have made Clinton Secretary of State or something. Because party members aren't allowed to disagree.
 
2020-02-09 7:14:44 PM  
It isn't voters who seem to think the whole thing should be decided after two tiny state primaries, CNN.
 
2020-02-09 7:16:23 PM  
Blood for the Blood God, skulls for the Skull Throne, milk for the Khorne Flakes, and horse races for the Bettors.
 
2020-02-09 7:16:36 PM  
It's like the 2008 election didn't happen.
 
2020-02-09 7:17:47 PM  
The candidates don't seem to harbor any ill will towards one another, and I'd bet they'll all support the eventual nominee.

Their respective supporters, not so much.
 
2020-02-09 7:20:40 PM  
Primaries are such a scam. The major parties found a way to make tax payers pay for their candidate selection process, while effectively shutting out third party challengers. It gives major party candidates an extra election to gain name recognition and raise funds.
 
2020-02-09 7:20:42 PM  
Sure, the Iowa Democrats farked up. But, I'm getting annoyed at pundits reading the tea leaves that that means something.
We still have a long way to go.
 
2020-02-09 7:20:51 PM  

Diogenes: I just got my FL primary mail in ballot.

1)  Pretty much everyone is still on it.
2)  It is SUPER unclear on when it needs to be mailed by/received.


Just fill it out and mail it in ASAP. You have to fill in one bubble, put 55¢ worth of postage on it, and mail it.  Not that hard.
There's a slip that comes with it that says if a candidate hasn't withdrawn by December 9th, then they'll be on the ballot. Some people will have to do a little research if they haven't been paying attention.
This isn't a complicated process.
 
2020-02-09 7:23:28 PM  
It's quite simple.  You start with the two of the whitest states, Iowa and New Hampshire.   Depending on your preference, it's all downhill from there, or uphill if you please.
 
2020-02-09 7:23:47 PM  
Democrats haven't come to a concensus on a candidate after 1 state has gone, it's the end of the party!
 
2020-02-09 7:24:44 PM  
Well, duh. Fark Poltab threads have plenty of people who don't know or care how primaries work.
 
2020-02-09 7:26:37 PM  

NewportBarGuy: I often wonder how many people think this is their vote for President and then never show up in November.


We could only wish that this is what the Republicans do
 
2020-02-09 7:26:57 PM  
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Dear CNN,
 
2020-02-09 7:28:04 PM  

Weatherkiss: Well, duh. Fark Poltab threads have plenty of people who don't know or care how primaries work.


Trolls and Russians.
 
2020-02-09 7:29:33 PM  

eiger: It's like the 2008 election didn't happen.


2016 screwed up everybody's awareness about what primaries are like.
 
2020-02-09 7:30:31 PM  
President Trump attacked everyone he ran against. People get over it if it means getting more power and riches.
 
2020-02-09 7:32:07 PM  
Yes "establishment" politics is bad. So let's vote a guy in who has been in congress for 30 years and accomplished nothing.  He'll fix it all for sure.
 
2020-02-09 7:34:52 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: eiger: It's like the 2008 election didn't happen.

2016 screwed up everybody's awareness about what primaries are like.


Democrats basically have PTSD after Trump's election and view any "disunity" in the party as a sign that Trump is going to win.

The opposite is almost certainly true (enforced unity hurts the party more than it helps).
 
2020-02-09 7:35:09 PM  

Xcott: You're not kidding:

After chaos of Iowa, Democratic unity threatened by circular firing squad in New Hampshire

A yearlong quest to find the strongest candidate to challenge President Donald Trump is opening with strains of chaos and contention among Democrats, as the party braces for an epic battle of ideology, personality and electability that many party leaders fear could complicate the ultimate goal of winning back the White House.

...So candidates in an election are running against one another, like candidates do in every election, and somehow pundits are losing their mind over how weird and destructive this is.

It's like Iowa created the narrative that the Democratic party is collapsing, and literally everything the media sees, even the simple fact that a primary is taking place, is being seen through that lens.


For the media it's all about the

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2020-02-09 7:37:25 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: Diogenes: I just got my FL primary mail in ballot.

1)  Pretty much everyone is still on it.
2)  It is SUPER unclear on when it needs to be mailed by/received.

Just fill it out and mail it in ASAP. You have to fill in one bubble, put 55¢ worth of postage on it, and mail it.  Not that hard.
There's a slip that comes with it that says if a candidate hasn't withdrawn by December 9th, then they'll be on the ballot. Some people will have to do a little research if they haven't been paying attention.
This isn't a complicated process.


Normally I would take this opportunity to make fun of Diogenes for his continuous mental decline being the cause of his centrism, but this is why mail-in presidential primaries don't work with early and middle states. A lot can happen in the 6 weeks between delivery of ballot and counting day. If you only get to vote for one candidate and you vote early and your candidate drops out between the time you drop your ballot in the mailbox and counting day, your vote is now wasted.
 
2020-02-09 7:38:00 PM  

eiger: Bith Set Me Up: eiger: It's like the 2008 election didn't happen.

2016 screwed up everybody's awareness about what primaries are like.

Democrats basically have PTSD after Trump's election and view any "disunity" in the party as a sign that Trump is going to win.

The opposite is almost certainly true (enforced unity hurts the party more than it helps).


Moderate Democrats seem to think debate and discourse are hindrances in politics instead of necessary parts of it.
 
2020-02-09 7:38:45 PM  

Corvus: Yes "establishment" politics is bad. So let's vote a guy in who has been in congress for 30 years and accomplished nothing.  He'll fix it all for sure.


Which I guess makes you a Pete fan since you more or less are describing all the others
 
2020-02-09 7:39:55 PM  

Corvus: Yes "establishment" politics is bad. So let's vote a guy in who has been in congress for 30 years and accomplished nothing.  He'll fix it all for sure.


Fighting for something good and not getting it is better than fighting for nothing and getting it.
 
2020-02-09 7:43:49 PM  

eiger: Bith Set Me Up: eiger: It's like the 2008 election didn't happen.

2016 screwed up everybody's awareness about what primaries are like.

Democrats basically have PTSD after Trump's election and view any "disunity" in the party as a sign that Trump is going to win.

The opposite is almost certainly true (enforced unity hurts the party more than it helps).


The pitch here should be pretty easy.

If you don't vote prepare to live under a Trump dictatorships as he consolidates power and tries to keep himself out of prison.

/Bets that he'll use his position to help Trump Jr. win in 2024
 
2020-02-09 7:48:21 PM  

NewportBarGuy: I often wonder how many people think this is their vote for President and then never show up in November.


Just about every American citizen that lives on the island of Puerto Rico.

(assuming "this" refers to any primary, not specifically the NH primary)
 
2020-02-09 7:49:57 PM  

misanthropicsob: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: Diogenes: I just got my FL primary mail in ballot.

1)  Pretty much everyone is still on it.
2)  It is SUPER unclear on when it needs to be mailed by/received.

Just fill it out and mail it in ASAP. You have to fill in one bubble, put 55¢ worth of postage on it, and mail it.  Not that hard.
There's a slip that comes with it that says if a candidate hasn't withdrawn by December 9th, then they'll be on the ballot. Some people will have to do a little research if they haven't been paying attention.
This isn't a complicated process.

Normally I would take this opportunity to make fun of Diogenes for his continuous mental decline being the cause of his centrism, but this is why mail-in presidential primaries don't work with early and middle states. A lot can happen in the 6 weeks between delivery of ballot and counting day. If you only get to vote for one candidate and you vote early and your candidate drops out between the time you drop your ballot in the mailbox and counting day, your vote is now wasted.


True, but I look at the primary as "which Democrat do you like best". I'm pulling for Buttigieg, so I voted for him. If he drops out then I vote for the guy who won the primary in the general. Maybe I should take the primary more seriously, but that's how I look at it.
 
2020-02-09 7:50:23 PM  
My link was approved! I feel like Pete Buttigieg. I hope none of you find out about my partner Chas
 
2020-02-09 7:52:55 PM  

J.R. 'Bob' Chinaski: eiger: Bith Set Me Up: eiger: It's like the 2008 election didn't happen.

2016 screwed up everybody's awareness about what primaries are like.

Democrats basically have PTSD after Trump's election and view any "disunity" in the party as a sign that Trump is going to win.

The opposite is almost certainly true (enforced unity hurts the party more than it helps).

The pitch here should be pretty easy.

If you don't vote prepare to live under a Trump dictatorships as he consolidates power and tries to keep himself out of prison.

/Bets that he'll use his position to help Trump Jr. win in 2024


Except (shockingly!) that's a shiatty pitch that is more likely to fail than a positive vision of what will happen if the dems win.

BTW, I meant the "shockingly" in all seriousness. To me it's a pretty compelling pitch, but there's a lot of evidence that it's not actually particularly effective.
 
2020-02-09 7:55:06 PM  

Diogenes: 1) Pretty much everyone is still on it.


Some states make it incredibly hard to get your name off the ballot once it is on there.

In Kentucky in 2008, the May 20th Primary still had John Edwards on the ballot even though he withdrew on January 30th.
 
2020-02-09 7:55:42 PM  

Xcott: You're not kidding:

After chaos of Iowa, Democratic unity threatened by circular firing squad in New Hampshire

A yearlong quest to find the strongest candidate to challenge President Donald Trump is opening with strains of chaos and contention among Democrats, as the party braces for an epic battle of ideology, personality and electability that many party leaders fear could complicate the ultimate goal of winning back the White House.

...So candidates in an election are running against one another, like candidates do in every election, and somehow pundits are losing their mind over how weird and destructive this is.

It's like Iowa created the narrative that the Democratic party is collapsing, and literally everything the media sees, even the simple fact that a primary is taking place, is being seen through that lens.


What part of HORSE RACE don't you understand?
 
2020-02-09 7:55:52 PM  

Corvus: Yes "establishment" politics is bad. So let's vote a guy in who has been in congress for 30 years and accomplished nothing.  He'll fix it all for sure.


Well, the "establishment" managed to lose to Donald Trump, one of the greatest political humiliations in world history.

So... yeah....
 
2020-02-09 7:57:48 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: misanthropicsob: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: Diogenes: I just got my FL primary mail in ballot.

1)  Pretty much everyone is still on it.
2)  It is SUPER unclear on when it needs to be mailed by/received.

Just fill it out and mail it in ASAP. You have to fill in one bubble, put 55¢ worth of postage on it, and mail it.  Not that hard.
There's a slip that comes with it that says if a candidate hasn't withdrawn by December 9th, then they'll be on the ballot. Some people will have to do a little research if they haven't been paying attention.
This isn't a complicated process.

Normally I would take this opportunity to make fun of Diogenes for his continuous mental decline being the cause of his centrism, but this is why mail-in presidential primaries don't work with early and middle states. A lot can happen in the 6 weeks between delivery of ballot and counting day. If you only get to vote for one candidate and you vote early and your candidate drops out between the time you drop your ballot in the mailbox and counting day, your vote is now wasted.

True, but I look at the primary as "which Democrat do you like best". I'm pulling for Buttigieg, so I voted for him. If he drops out then I vote for the guy who won the primary in the general. Maybe I should take the primary more seriously, but that's how I look at it.


I've got backups.

Let's say I liked Biden best, but Mayor Pete second. If I was a good citizen and turned in my ballot when I got it, and where I voted for Biden, and Biden drops out between now and March 17 (counting day), then my vote has become lost. I don't get a chance to vote for Mayor Pete. And all my efforts will have been for naught.

That's why I support run off balloting. I even support caucusing because, in a caucus, you can state your support for Losing Candidate A but when your candidate becomes unviable you still gather round Candidate B. But mail-in ballots on multiple primary days is just a very poor CX.
 
2020-02-09 8:01:31 PM  

eiger: Corvus: Yes "establishment" politics is bad. So let's vote a guy in who has been in congress for 30 years and accomplished nothing.  He'll fix it all for sure.

Well, the "establishment" managed to lose to Donald Trump, one of the greatest political humiliations in world history.

So... yeah....


And that same "establishment" lost to George W. Bush. Twice.
 
2020-02-09 8:02:49 PM  
Well duh.

Where does the vast majority of money from political campaigns go?  THE MEDIA.  Media buys, Facebook advertisements, other website ads.  Of course Media Company A isn't going to say it's all over and one candidate is going to be smoked, because that just means that candidate is less likely to throw them money and instead throw it in other directions.  Well, except the hyper-partisan media like FOX News, which picks their candidates up front and isn't going to be getting money from the Democrats anyway.
 
2020-02-09 8:05:20 PM  

eiger: J.R. 'Bob' Chinaski: eiger: Bith Set Me Up: eiger: It's like the 2008 election didn't happen.

2016 screwed up everybody's awareness about what primaries are like.

Democrats basically have PTSD after Trump's election and view any "disunity" in the party as a sign that Trump is going to win.

The opposite is almost certainly true (enforced unity hurts the party more than it helps).

The pitch here should be pretty easy.

If you don't vote prepare to live under a Trump dictatorships as he consolidates power and tries to keep himself out of prison.

/Bets that he'll use his position to help Trump Jr. win in 2024

Except (shockingly!) that's a shiatty pitch that is more likely to fail than a positive vision of what will happen if the dems win.

BTW, I meant the "shockingly" in all seriousness. To me it's a pretty compelling pitch, but there's a lot of evidence that it's not actually particularly effective.


Whynotboth
 
2020-02-09 8:05:57 PM  
Just wait until the chaos of the Republican primaries!

/keep waiting...
 
2020-02-09 8:08:55 PM  
With voting finally underway in the Democratic race, the party may be unified around the desire of defeating Trump, but it has found virtually no consensus for how -- and who -- is best to do it.

Yes?

That's why we're having a primary?

That's... what literally every primary any party has ever held for any position was for?

// I know a hundred other people have said this, but it bears repeating, yo.
// The primary has already soundly rejected Biden's brand of right-wing politics thinly cloaked with obviously empty claims of populist-flavored centrism from a man who voted for the iraq war, the crime bill, and the patriot act.  That's significant progress toward answering the question here-- the fact that the right-wing Dem coming into NH with an actual probability of winning it is a nephyte with no public service record who's had no opportunity to actually do any of his ill-defined right-leaning shiat in the past kind of summarizes how popular faux-"centrist" neoliberal actions actually are, no matter how much people claim to value 'centrism' and 'compromise'.
 
2020-02-09 8:09:17 PM  
And this is why the United States election process does not work. I have never heard of North Korea having these problems.
 
2020-02-09 8:10:16 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: Yes. I remember the 2008 circular firing squad after Clinton's 3 am phone call ad. If not for such internal bickering Obama might have made Clinton Secretary of State or something. Because party members aren't allowed to disagree.


Pepperidge Farm remembers
 
2020-02-09 8:20:13 PM  

Diogenes: I just got my FL primary mail in ballot.

1)  Pretty much everyone is still on it.
2)  It is SUPER unclear on when it needs to be mailed by/received.


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I thought absentee ballots had to be postmarked by the election date. But I'm not sure, so you better send it in a week earlier or so. Not impossible your choice might withdraw in that week, but should be more obvious if that's a possibility in 3 weeks.
 
2020-02-09 8:30:11 PM  

aleister_greynight: Whynotboth


Of course, but I would lean more towards the positive and make the negative a secondary argument. One of Hillary's biggest problems is she hammered the negative so hard without giving a compelling positive case for her candidacy.
 
2020-02-09 8:37:33 PM  
I know how primaries work. Ya'll argue amongst yourselves, and then by the time it's my time to vote the decision has already been made.

/9th most populous state, but hey, we don't need a say
 
2020-02-09 8:38:20 PM  
Hey... you know what's super funny? The 1996 Telecommunications Act. Ahahaha. Ahh. ahaha what a great piece of legislation that totally isn't directly responsible for concentrated corporate mainstream media's incentive to make money by pushing false narratives about our elections.

haha. boy, whoever pulled that one on us sure is a jokester.
 
2020-02-09 8:40:08 PM  

GoldSpider: The candidates don't seem to harbor any ill will towards one another, and I'd bet they'll all support the eventual nominee.

Their respective supporters, not so much.


No, by and large their supporters will support one another.

A couple idiots on the internet doesn't change that.
 
2020-02-09 8:44:09 PM  
POTUS hijacks the entire government including the SCOTUS, sells the country to Russia, rigs an Impeachment trial, blames the other side for all of it then begins enacting revenge on them while ensuring no further investigations will be done by anyone other than his henchmen.

But the real reason people are sick of politics is a software bug in a Dem primary.

The "liberal media", folks.
 
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