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2020-02-08 8:47:00 PM  
They aren't wrong
 
2020-02-08 8:57:45 PM  
I don't think I can get a 2019-nCoV shot yet
 
2020-02-08 8:58:57 PM  
So is she telling us that we *should* panic?
 
2020-02-08 9:05:16 PM  
Had a bad cough yesterday, and woke up today with a cough, runny nose, a fever, and muscle aches, so getting a kick. My whole goddamn weekend cancelled. At least I don't have a sore throat.

Statistically it's basically impossible for me to have nCoV, but knowing that doesn't stave off a tinge of paranoia.
 
2020-02-08 9:05:34 PM  

SansNeural: So is she telling us that we *should* panic?


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2020-02-08 9:20:09 PM  
Some virus would say that.
 
2020-02-08 9:23:23 PM  

Sid_6.7: Had a bad cough yesterday, and woke up today with a cough, runny nose, a fever, and muscle aches, so getting a kick. My whole goddamn weekend cancelled. At least I don't have a sore throat.

Statistically it's basically impossible for me to have nCoV, but knowing that doesn't stave off a tinge of paranoia.


My best friend just came down with the flu, confirmed by doctor.  Just to get rid of some of your paranoia, if you need it.
 
2020-02-08 9:26:01 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Some virus would say that.


Hey, Roxanne may be a journalist for Wired but I'm pretty sure she's not a single-cell packet of RNA.
 
2020-02-08 9:34:02 PM  
The problem still goes back to accuracy and transparency.  Five years ago, if this had happened in most parts of the world, I would have no problem listening to the experts, media, and government types with a pretty good level of calmness.  These days, the fact that it's coming from China, and the media complicity in not demanding 100% accuracy with government statements, I'm very skeptical.  I simply don't trust my government, the press in either country, or the Chinese government.

Flu is a known quantity.  I know the risks, I mitigate them with good choices on my part, and have for many years.  OTOH, this hot mess in China is murky, and not getting clearer.  So until further notice, isolation and testing of possible carriers or victims is fine by me.  Once we have a bunch of countries with more normal heads of state and media reporting in, then I'll start thinking about coronavirus the way I think about other lethal but rare outbreaks around the world.
 
2020-02-08 9:36:23 PM  

Sid_6.7: Had a bad cough yesterday, and woke up today with a cough, runny nose, a fever, and muscle aches, so getting a kick. My whole goddamn weekend cancelled. At least I don't have a sore throat.

Statistically it's basically impossible for me to have nCoV, but knowing that doesn't stave off a tinge of paranoia.


Swallow this

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2020-02-08 10:26:21 PM  
It's not just diseases, it's any cause of death.  Whenever we have another mass shooting there's always some asshole who has to point out that more people die in car accidents "so let's have some perspective."

Of course, it's an idiotic point for a half-dozen reasons.  We don't have to choose a single cause of death to worry about, and it is not irrational to care about more than one---whereas it is derpy to dismiss something that is killing people because you can think of something else that is killing people.  Also, we're already doing something about influenza, just as we are already doing something about car accidents.

It also ignores the matter of a threat being current, pressing or rising.  If a serial killer is stalking your neighborhood right now, it's dumb to counter that heart disease is statistically a bigger threat in the long run.
 
2020-02-08 10:45:46 PM  

Xcott: It's not just diseases, it's any cause of death.  Whenever we have another mass shooting there's always some asshole who has to point out that more people die in car accidents "so let's have some perspective."

Of course, it's an idiotic point for a half-dozen reasons.  We don't have to choose a single cause of death to worry about, and it is not irrational to care about more than one---whereas it is derpy to dismiss something that is killing people because you can think of something else that is killing people.  Also, we're already doing something about influenza, just as we are already doing something about car accidents.

It also ignores the matter of a threat being current, pressing or rising.  If a serial killer is stalking your neighborhood right now, it's dumb to counter that heart disease is statistically a bigger threat in the long run.


What if a serial killer breaks into your neighbor's house, and scares him so bad that your neighbor has a heart attack? What then?
 
2020-02-08 10:47:25 PM  
What's all the fuss?  We shouldn't do anything to stop the spread of the Wuhan coronavirus.  Let everyone get infected and let God pick and choose whom He wants to take and whom He spares.


/not serious
 
2020-02-08 11:20:11 PM  

Sgygus: What's all the fuss?  We shouldn't do anything to stop the spread of the Wuhan coronavirus.  Let everyone get infected and let God pick and choose whom He wants to take and whom He spares.


/not serious


Two of the Department Heads in my last Department Heads meeting expressed the "More people die of the flu" and "let god sort 'em out" opinions just the other day.  The Fire/EMS Chief tried to reason with them, bless his heart.  But they're Trump Cultists, NRA Cultists, Evangelicals (funny how those things go together with insane ignorance...) and basically shouted him down.

It was spooky.
 
2020-02-08 11:28:33 PM  

bobtheme: Sid_6.7: Had a bad cough yesterday, and woke up today with a cough, runny nose, a fever, and muscle aches, so getting a kick. My whole goddamn weekend cancelled. At least I don't have a sore throat.

Statistically it's basically impossible for me to have nCoV, but knowing that doesn't stave off a tinge of paranoia.

My best friend just came down with the flu, confirmed by doctor.  Just to get rid of some of your paranoia, if you need it.


It doesn't feel that bad.
 
2020-02-08 11:42:04 PM  

Sid_6.7: At least I don't have a sore throat.


F*ck, I spoke too soon.
 
2020-02-09 1:04:49 AM  
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2020-02-09 1:35:06 AM  
Evolution in action. Should we mess with it, or let the human race develop immunity by taking the susceptible out of the gene pool?
 
2020-02-09 1:35:06 AM  

Sid_6.7: Had a bad cough yesterday, and woke up today with a cough, runny nose, a fever, and muscle aches, so getting a kick. My whole goddamn weekend cancelled. At least I don't have a sore throat.

Statistically it's basically impossible for me to have nCoV, but knowing that doesn't stave off a tinge of paranoia.


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2020-02-09 1:35:15 AM  
"Coronavirus Is Bad. Comparing It to the Flu Is Worse".  How many people have died from a severe case of comparing the coronavirus to the flu?
 
2020-02-09 1:36:50 AM  

cherryl taggart: The problem still goes back to accuracy and transparency.  Five years ago, if this had happened in most parts of the world, I would have no problem listening to the experts, media, and government types with a pretty good level of calmness.  These days, the fact that it's coming from China, and the media complicity in not demanding 100% accuracy with government statements, I'm very skeptical.  I simply don't trust my government, the press in either country, or the Chinese government.

Flu is a known quantity.  I know the risks, I mitigate them with good choices on my part, and have for many years.  OTOH, this hot mess in China is murky, and not getting clearer.  So until further notice, isolation and testing of possible carriers or victims is fine by me.  Once we have a bunch of countries with more normal heads of state and media reporting in, then I'll start thinking about coronavirus the way I think about other lethal but rare outbreaks around the world.


Or stop being racist
 
2020-02-09 1:38:20 AM  

Xcott: It's not just diseases, it's any cause of death.  Whenever we have another mass shooting there's always some asshole who has to point out that more people die in car accidents "so let's have some perspective."

Of course, it's an idiotic point for a half-dozen reasons.  We don't have to choose a single cause of death to worry about, and it is not irrational to care about more than one---whereas it is derpy to dismiss something that is killing people because you can think of something else that is killing people.  Also, we're already doing something about influenza, just as we are already doing something about car accidents.

It also ignores the matter of a threat being current, pressing or rising.  If a serial killer is stalking your neighborhood right now, it's dumb to counter that heart disease is statistically a bigger threat in the long run.


But statistically speaking heart disease is the bigger concern
 
2020-02-09 1:38:32 AM  
The coronavirus drank my milk and then put the empty container back in the fridge.
 
2020-02-09 1:38:55 AM  

Sgygus: What's all the fuss?  We shouldn't do anything to stop the spread of the Wuhan coronavirus.  Let everyone get infected and let God pick and choose whom He wants to take and whom He spares.


/not serious


Sounds like a plan 👍😊
 
2020-02-09 1:39:13 AM  

crumblecat: Evolution in action. Should we mess with it, or let the human race develop immunity by taking the susceptible out of the gene pool?


Yeah, evolution doesn't work that way.
 
2020-02-09 1:40:03 AM  
I'm 60 history of bronchitis. I hope they get a grip on this or I'll go Coronavirus on all of ya'
 
2020-02-09 1:40:43 AM  

crumblecat: Evolution in action. Should we mess with it, or let the human race develop immunity by taking the susceptible out of the gene pool?


????
Are there people not susceptible to the plague?????
 
2020-02-09 1:41:26 AM  

i ignore u: "Coronavirus Is Bad. Comparing It to the Flu Is Worse".  How many people have died from a severe case of comparing the coronavirus to the flu?


If people die every day from food poisoning and nobody catches it
 
2020-02-09 1:41:54 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: crumblecat: Evolution in action. Should we mess with it, or let the human race develop immunity by taking the susceptible out of the gene pool?

Yeah, evolution doesn't work that way.


This
 
2020-02-09 1:42:05 AM  

waxbeans: crumblecat: Evolution in action. Should we mess with it, or let the human race develop immunity by taking the susceptible out of the gene pool?

????
Are there people not susceptible to the plague?????


Corpses, zombies, and cyborgs. Oh, my.
 
2020-02-09 1:43:21 AM  
public trust in the media ????

public trust in the media is a unicorn, that should be shot, like Bambi in a Disney snuff flick.
 
2020-02-09 1:43:58 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: crumblecat: Evolution in action. Should we mess with it, or let the human race develop immunity by taking the susceptible out of the gene pool?

Yeah, evolution doesn't work that way.


Yes it does.
 
2020-02-09 1:44:37 AM  

waxbeans: crumblecat: Evolution in action. Should we mess with it, or let the human race develop immunity by taking the susceptible out of the gene pool?

????
Are there people not susceptible to the plague?????


Let's meet later?
 
2020-02-09 1:45:34 AM  

waxbeans: crumblecat: Evolution in action. Should we mess with it, or let the human race develop immunity by taking the susceptible out of the gene pool?

????
Are there people not susceptible to the plague?????


Who mentioned the plague?

There are certainly people who are not susceptible to novel coronavirus.
 
2020-02-09 1:45:55 AM  

jamspoon: Sid_6.7: Had a bad cough yesterday, and woke up today with a cough, runny nose, a fever, and muscle aches, so getting a kick. My whole goddamn weekend cancelled. At least I don't have a sore throat.

Statistically it's basically impossible for me to have nCoV, but knowing that doesn't stave off a tinge of paranoia.

Swallow this

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Dude. No. That's a suppository.
 
2020-02-09 1:46:00 AM  
The thing that worries me the most is what if China is downplaying the deaths and after effects? The freaking doctor who raised the alarm freaking died.  What are the odds of that happening? Then you have a shiat ton of Chinese people living in rural areas that don't have access to hospitals. I think we wont no for sure unless the coronavirus hits the same levels in another developed country of course by then it will be too late.
 
2020-02-09 1:46:10 AM  

waxbeans: cherryl taggart: The problem still goes back to accuracy and transparency.  Five years ago, if this had happened in most parts of the world, I would have no problem listening to the experts, media, and government types with a pretty good level of calmness.  These days, the fact that it's coming from China, and the media complicity in not demanding 100% accuracy with government statements, I'm very skeptical.  I simply don't trust my government, the press in either country, or the Chinese government.

Flu is a known quantity.  I know the risks, I mitigate them with good choices on my part, and have for many years.  OTOH, this hot mess in China is murky, and not getting clearer.  So until further notice, isolation and testing of possible carriers or victims is fine by me.  Once we have a bunch of countries with more normal heads of state and media reporting in, then I'll start thinking about coronavirus the way I think about other lethal but rare outbreaks around the world.

Or stop being racist


Err, you are confusing racism with distrusting a communist government with a known hostory of saying 'Everything is fine' as the house burns down.

That punishes officials and citizens for leaking bad news, and conversely, executing them for not dealing with said bad news before it got out of hand and made world news.  If you dont think there are going to executiOns for this, you live in a dream world.

Anything that makes the party look bad is censored....  so yes, lets wait for a country with some known history of honesty to start producing reliable numbers.
 
2020-02-09 1:46:49 AM  

waxbeans: i ignore u: "Coronavirus Is Bad. Comparing It to the Flu Is Worse".  How many people have died from a severe case of comparing the coronavirus to the flu?

If people die every day from food poisoning and nobody catches it


...does it still make a sound when a bear poops on a pope in the woods?
 
2020-02-09 1:48:33 AM  

waxbeans: Sid_6.7: Had a bad cough yesterday, and woke up today with a cough, runny nose, a fever, and muscle aches, so getting a kick. My whole goddamn weekend cancelled. At least I don't have a sore throat.

Statistically it's basically impossible for me to have nCoV, but knowing that doesn't stave off a tinge of paranoia.

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2020-02-09 1:48:44 AM  
Thanks to comparing the coronavirus to the flu I'm now terrified of everyone I love and me dying of the flu so every time I sneeze or hear someone else sneeze I squirt myself with enough hand sanitizer to stink like a Russian gutter. I didn't need to know how lethal the flu is.
 
2020-02-09 1:48:59 AM  
You WILL panic citizen.
 
2020-02-09 1:49:48 AM  

Theory Of Null: The thing that worries me the most is what if China is downplaying the deaths and after effects? The freaking doctor who raised the alarm freaking died.  What are the odds of that happening? Then you have a shiat ton of Chinese people living in rural areas that don't have access to hospitals. I think we wont no for sure unless the coronavirus hits the same levels in another developed country of course by then it will be too late.


Sounds racist. Just saying. Seems to be a lot of China bashing going on.
 
2020-02-09 1:51:49 AM  
I'm more concerned about one piggybacking the other.

One year I got two different strains of flue pretty much back to back.

First one knocked me down, second clobbered me.

I think this year getting the flue followed by carnovirus would be a fatal one two punch.
 
2020-02-09 1:54:28 AM  

waxbeans: Theory Of Null: The thing that worries me the most is what if China is downplaying the deaths and after effects? The freaking doctor who raised the alarm freaking died.  What are the odds of that happening? Then you have a shiat ton of Chinese people living in rural areas that don't have access to hospitals. I think we wont no for sure unless the coronavirus hits the same levels in another developed country of course by then it will be too late.

Sounds racist. Just saying. Seems to be a lot of China bashing going on.


Again, you seem hung up on the racism angle.

We dont trust the communist government. That censors everything that protrays it in a bad light?  How does that equate to race?

Or is there some genetic link to being communist (ha, kinda...) to being chinese that I am unaware of?
 
2020-02-09 1:54:44 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Sgygus: What's all the fuss?  We shouldn't do anything to stop the spread of the Wuhan coronavirus.  Let everyone get infected and let God pick and choose whom He wants to take and whom He spares.


/not serious

Two of the Department Heads in my last Department Heads meeting expressed the "More people die of the flu" and "let god sort 'em out" opinions just the other day.  The Fire/EMS Chief tried to reason with them, bless his heart.  But they're Trump Cultists, NRA Cultists, Evangelicals (funny how those things go together with insane ignorance...) and basically shouted him down.

It was spooky.


"Ass cancer, heart disease, diabeetus... all diseases of the sin of gluttony. Let 'em die"

/That'll shut them up
 
2020-02-09 1:55:15 AM  

Sid_6.7: Had a bad cough yesterday, and woke up today with a cough, runny nose, a fever, and muscle aches, so getting a kick. My whole goddamn weekend cancelled. At least I don't have a sore throat.

Statistically it's basically impossible for me to have nCoV, but knowing that doesn't stave off a tinge of paranoia.


I just started a medication that could cause my skin to fall off. The earliest symptoms mimic flu symptoms.

It's the middle of flu season. I have flu-like symptoms. I'm paranoid as all hell right now.
 
2020-02-09 1:56:07 AM  

GrogSmash: waxbeans: Theory Of Null: The thing that worries me the most is what if China is downplaying the deaths and after effects? The freaking doctor who raised the alarm freaking died.  What are the odds of that happening? Then you have a shiat ton of Chinese people living in rural areas that don't have access to hospitals. I think we wont no for sure unless the coronavirus hits the same levels in another developed country of course by then it will be too late.

Sounds racist. Just saying. Seems to be a lot of China bashing going on.

Again, you seem hung up on the racism angle.

We dont trust the communist government. That censors everything that protrays it in a bad light?  How does that equate to race?

Or is there some genetic link to being communist (ha, kinda...) to being chinese that I am unaware of?


I think he's (very badly) failing at being funny, but stubbornly not taming the point that he failed yet.
 
2020-02-09 1:56:10 AM  

GrogSmash: Err, you are confusing racism with distrusting a communist government with a known hostory of saying 'Everything is fine' as the house burns down.

That punishes officials and citizens for leaking bad news, and conversely, executing them for not dealing with said bad news before it got out of hand and made world news.  If you dont think there are going to executiOns for this, you live in a dream world.

Anything that makes the party look bad is censored....  so yes, lets wait for a country with some known history of honesty to start producing reliable numbers.


My point is, many other nations take better care of their sick than the United States.
Thus, a lot of the China bashing, seems a touch hyperbolic.  Full on rhetoric.     Can we stop focusing on the commie angle? I just disregard anything that includes it.

Why? Why do I do it?
Because of white elephants.
Apparently hosting an Olympics leaves you with unwanted buildings.
These white elephant buildings exist in booth capitalistic Nations and communistic Nations.
Which leaves me to suspect our differences may be superficial and overstated.


Maybe? Politics is just a facade? A facade that is expose by white elephants.
 
2020-02-09 1:56:32 AM  

Amoment: I'm 60 history of bronchitis. I hope they get a grip on this or I'll go Coronavirus on all of ya'


I got you beat by 10 years with COPD . I would most likely succumb.
Wouldn't it be nice if we could partner up with China and throw some money at this ? I would think that it would be more  than cost effective.
I just had a bout with the flu and was sick about a week, I also had a senior flu shot so I had that working for me.
Good luck and don't sneeze on me
 
2020-02-09 1:57:27 AM  

aevorea: Sid_6.7: Had a bad cough yesterday, and woke up today with a cough, runny nose, a fever, and muscle aches, so getting a kick. My whole goddamn weekend cancelled. At least I don't have a sore throat.

Statistically it's basically impossible for me to have nCoV, but knowing that doesn't stave off a tinge of paranoia.

I just started a medication that could cause my skin to fall off. The earliest symptoms mimic flu symptoms.

It's the middle of flu season. I have flu-like symptoms. I'm paranoid as all hell right now.


Don't be you won't remember. Coronavirus is quick. Window seat
 
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