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(Some Guy)   "US Navy has dismantled its Task Force on Climate Change, which was designed to use the best available science to prepare naval leadership for global shifts in sea levels, melting ice sheets and ocean temperatures"   (ucsusa.org) divider line
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2020-02-06 5:57:37 PM  
Just shoot the icebergs. Duh
 
2020-02-06 6:02:50 PM  
They have boats, why do they care about more water?
 
2020-02-06 6:04:56 PM  
This plays into Russia's hands as well . They might be the first to lay claim to the north
 
2020-02-06 6:05:22 PM  
West passage.

Whoops
 
2020-02-06 6:06:42 PM  

feckingmorons: They have boats, why do they care about more water?


Ships and boats park at docks.   Facilities around said docks are at sea level.

That doesn't even begin to touch the geo-political implications of  stressed populations leading to unrest and international tensions as climate change alters the availability of water.

Also, weather.
 
2020-02-06 6:07:35 PM  

sithon: This plays into Russia's hands as well . They might be the first to lay claim to the north


Also..this.   The political maneuvering around the Arctic is already an issue.
 
2020-02-06 6:15:25 PM  
Farking dominionists trying to bring about the end of days.
 
2020-02-06 6:20:10 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: feckingmorons: They have boats, why do they care about more water?

Ships and boats park at docks.   Facilities around said docks are at sea level.

That doesn't even begin to touch the geo-political implications of  stressed populations leading to unrest and international tensions as climate change alters the availability of water.

Also, weather.


And then there's this;
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/06/09/eu​r​ope/britain-royal-navy-warships/index.​html

Ships' cooling systems breaking down due to the water being warmer than the engineers thought it would be.
 
2020-02-06 6:23:36 PM  
Well maybe they can put that money into actual crew training so they stop running into other ships. And just get rid of the Littoral Combat Ship.
 
2020-02-06 6:37:32 PM  
No problem.  The squids can just guess where the thermoclines are.  What's the worst that can happen?
 
2020-02-06 6:38:19 PM  
Who needs a navy now that we have SPACE FORCE?
 
2020-02-06 6:56:55 PM  

sithon: West passage.

Whoops


No you could have put a period after North. It's not a bug, it's a feature.
 
2020-02-06 7:00:23 PM  
This sounds like the work of a

Great. Smart. Stable. Sustainable. Stark-raving mad. Genius.




/ To quote Grr, from Invader Zim:  "Yaaaay! We're doooooomed!"
 
2020-02-06 8:22:07 PM  

Jack Sabbath: Farking dominionists trying to bring about the end of days.


This. It's so screamingly obvious now. They are leading the entire world to Jonestown so they can meet Jesus in their lifetime. I wish I was making that up.

/ I'd like to spend the time to find the quotes from the fanatics saying exactly that, including Pompeo saying exactly that, but I'd rather play computer games at this moment.
 
2020-02-06 9:28:27 PM  
Cool, now the new software will bring up "Here there be Tygers" when they plot in navigation.
 
2020-02-06 9:29:34 PM  
'Murica.
 
2020-02-06 9:32:40 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Just shoot the icebergs. Duh


Seriously. The Navy blows things up. Climate is NOAA.
 
2020-02-06 9:32:53 PM  
Because climate change means absolutely nothing to the navy. In 100 years, maybe. But today? No.
 
2020-02-06 9:33:19 PM  
"I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS FAKE. I AM VERY INTELLIGENT."
 
2020-02-06 9:34:17 PM  
Why worry about something that isn't going to happen?
 
2020-02-06 9:34:18 PM  

CrazyCurt: Jack Sabbath: Farking dominionists trying to bring about the end of days.

This. It's so screamingly obvious now. They are leading the entire world to Jonestown so they can meet Jesus in their lifetime. I wish I was making that up.

/ I'd like to spend the time to find the quotes from the fanatics saying exactly that, including Pompeo saying exactly that, but I'd rather play computer games at this moment.


I say we give them all a ride straight to Jehovah.  Our treat.
 
2020-02-06 9:39:39 PM  

CrazyCurt: Jack Sabbath: Farking dominionists trying to bring about the end of days.

This. It's so screamingly obvious now. They are leading the entire world to Jonestown so they can meet Jesus in their lifetime. I wish I was making that up.

/ I'd like to spend the time to find the quotes from the fanatics saying exactly that, including Pompeo saying exactly that, but I'd rather play computer games at this moment.


But when I suggest it might be preferable to have a war against fascism instead of allow them world domination and destruction, I am the one called bloodthirsty.
 
2020-02-06 9:40:32 PM  
Actually, I'm doing more than suggesting it. I'm saying without the will for it, we all really are doomed. Because the enemy is already waging war.
 
2020-02-06 9:41:41 PM  
Future generations are so farked.
 
2020-02-06 9:44:26 PM  

Kirablue42: CrazyCurt: Jack Sabbath: Farking dominionists trying to bring about the end of days.

This. It's so screamingly obvious now. They are leading the entire world to Jonestown so they can meet Jesus in their lifetime. I wish I was making that up.

/ I'd like to spend the time to find the quotes from the fanatics saying exactly that, including Pompeo saying exactly that, but I'd rather play computer games at this moment.

But when I suggest it might be preferable to have a war against fascism instead of allow them world domination and destruction, I am the one called bloodthirsty.


Not me. I'm down with ya on that one.
 
2020-02-06 9:45:09 PM  

Birnone: Why worry about something that isn't going to happen?


no one's worried about you ever making a coherent post
 
2020-02-06 9:47:48 PM  
It's one thing to argue the cause of global warming....but to bury your head in the sand and deny that there are some major climate changes occuring seems a bit idiotic
 
2020-02-06 9:51:17 PM  

Sliding Carp: No problem.  The squids can just guess where the thermoclines are.  What's the worst that can happen?


Sadly, it's not the first time wingnut have put politics ahead of Navy research.

/roast in hell, Trent Lott
 
2020-02-06 9:52:28 PM  

redly1: It's one thing to argue the cause of global warming....but to bury your head in the sand and deny that there are some major climate changes occuring seems a bit idiotic


Good thing the Navy doesn't have any shore-based facilities that will be affected by sea level rise...
 
2020-02-06 9:53:19 PM  

sithon: This plays into Russia's hands as well . They might be the first to lay claim to the north


It plays into both our hands.
It's all part of the deal.
Unless you're not rich, I mean.
 
2020-02-06 9:54:43 PM  

redly1: It's one thing to argue the cause of global warming....but to bury your head in the sand and deny that there are some major climate changes occuring seems a bit idiotic


What's the difference?
How is the first part not idiotic?
 
2020-02-06 9:56:08 PM  
Please tell me that there wasn't really such a task force.
 
2020-02-06 9:56:53 PM  

mainsail: Dewey Fidalgo: feckingmorons: They have boats, why do they care about more water?

Ships and boats park at docks.   Facilities around said docks are at sea level.

That doesn't even begin to touch the geo-political implications of  stressed populations leading to unrest and international tensions as climate change alters the availability of water.

Also, weather.

And then there's this;
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/06/09/eur​ope/britain-royal-navy-warships/index.​html

Ships' cooling systems breaking down due to the water being warmer than the engineers thought it would be.


Oh you fatking idiot. The ships were not intended for the Persian Gulf where they are deployed..  your point is so moot yo mama called asking where you put the cheese whiz
 
2020-02-06 9:59:54 PM  

sithon: This plays into Russia's hands as well . They might be the first to lay claim to the north


You'd think the Navy would be aware of World War II Napoleonic overall history regarding Russia and climate hassles. Then again, there is Trump and his recent pomposity towards the Pentagon.
 
2020-02-06 10:05:18 PM  
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2020-02-06 10:08:06 PM  
Was this post like a beacon to numbskulls? It's like they all came running to see who could make the dumbest, most uninformed statement. Derp, boats float. Why they care how high they float?
 
2020-02-06 10:08:16 PM  
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2020-02-06 10:10:35 PM  
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2020-02-06 10:12:42 PM  
Why do we need a Space Force either, come to think of it? You can just walk onto the back of the turtle, idiot libs.
 
2020-02-06 10:15:03 PM  
 
2020-02-06 10:16:26 PM  

sithon: This plays into Russia's hands as well . They might be the first to lay claim to the north


And get stuck.
 
2020-02-06 10:16:56 PM  
Just in time!
 
2020-02-06 10:18:50 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: Please tell me that there wasn't really such a task force.


Yes, task forces and research groups like it in every DoD branch.  Have a friend who was involved in the Army War College report which is very clear in why it's very important for planning.
 
2020-02-06 10:26:39 PM  
That's the kind of thing that happens when the commander in chief openly denies climate change is a thing, and goes out of his way to roll back any measures made by his predecessors to combat it.

/Never elect someone as dumb as a rock yet who is convinced he's always the smartest person in any room
//Experts Schmexperts.
 
2020-02-06 10:27:00 PM  
Maybe there is something new and worse to worry about, we just don't know yet.

1967 - Dire famine by 1975
1969 - Everyone will disappear in a cloud of blue steam by 1989 - New York Times
1970 - Ice age by 2000 - Boston Globe
1970 - water rationing by 1974, food rationing by 1980 - Redlands Daily Facts
1971 - New Ice Age Coming in the next 50 years - The Washington Post
1972 - New Ice Age by 2070 - Brown University department of geological sciences, NOAA data
1974 - New Ice Age coming fast - The Guardian
1974 - Another Ice age is coming - Time
I guess no body was buying it so...
1974 - Ozone depletion a great peril to life
1976 - "The Cooling" New York Times Book review
1978 - No end in sight to 30 year cooling trend - New York Times
Mmmm no takers....
1980 - Acid Rain kills life - Noblesville Ledger
1988 - Midwest drought is coming in the 90s - The Miami News (It's been wet)
1988 - Washington DC prepare for summers over 90F. (Cooling trend since then)
1988 - Maldives completely under water in 30 years - Canberra Times (Agence France Press)
1989 - Rising seas to obliterate nations by 2000 - AP
2000 - Children won't know what snow is - The Independent
2001 - New York City's West side under water by 2019 - Salon
2002 - Famine in 10 years - The Guardian
2004 - Britain to have Siberian climate by 2020 - The Guardian
2008 - The artic will be ice-free by 2018 - Seth Borenstein AP Science writer
2008, and I'm cereal - Al Gore warns of ice-free arctic by 2013
2009 - Prince Charles says we have 8 years to save the planet.
2009 - Gordon Brown says hold my beer, we have 50 days to save the planet
2014 - French foreign minister says we have 500 days to avoid climate chaos.
 
2020-02-06 10:29:51 PM  
F*ckin' dickheads.
 
2020-02-06 10:35:54 PM  
i read an article a few years ago.
some top admiral talked about the need for a TRILLION dollars to revamp the U.S. Navy for the next century:
*retro-fitting bases for a rising sea level
*refugee rescue resources (different ships and training)
*the coastal seas will be loaded with desperate climate refugees

my young son is on a Navy Sea Air Rescue squad.
if he chooses to become an officer and make it a career, he'll experience a completely different naval experience than past generations.

who knows what the fark will happen.
nothing makes sense today.
maybe tomorrow?
 
2020-02-06 10:36:20 PM  

mrinfoguy: mainsail: Dewey Fidalgo: feckingmorons: They have boats, why do they care about more water?

Ships and boats park at docks.   Facilities around said docks are at sea level.

That doesn't even begin to touch the geo-political implications of  stressed populations leading to unrest and international tensions as climate change alters the availability of water.

Also, weather.

And then there's this;
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/06/09/eur​ope/britain-royal-navy-warships/index.​html

Ships' cooling systems breaking down due to the water being warmer than the engineers thought it would be.

Oh you fatking idiot. The ships were not intended for the Persian Gulf where they are deployed..  your point is so moot yo mama called asking where you put the cheese whiz


User name is hilarious.

"Another controversy arose when it was revealed that due to a design flaw on the Northrop Grumman intercooler which, when attached to the Rolls-Royce WR-21 gas turbines and functioning in the warm climate of the Persian Gulf, power availability was diminished considerably;[21][22] and it quickly became apparent that the class was not operating as originally envisioned.[23] A refit will take place from 2019-21 to fully resolve the problems with the six ships in the class.[24]"
 
2020-02-06 10:36:59 PM  

gameshowhost: sithon: This plays into Russia's hands as well . They might be the first to lay claim to the north

Yep.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/k​remlins-key-world-dominance-climate-ch​ange-43942

and this is from *irving friggin kristol's* outlet

others

https://www.economist.com/europe/2019/​09/19/why-russia-is-ambivalent-about-g​lobal-warming

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08​/29/russia-china-climate-change-169169​8


Of course the great irony is that if the Greenland Ice Sheet collapses and shuts down the Gulf Stream then the Siberian coast will still be icebound
 
2020-02-06 10:41:06 PM  

sithon: This plays into Russia's hands as well . They might be the first to lay claim to the north


sithon: West passage.

Whoops


They already did.

reader.chathamhouse.orgView Full Size


There is a bunch of ice rapidly disappearing in the middle.  RE:

highnorthnews.comView Full Size


Note which side will become viable for transit first.  To completely secure it, Russia would either need a willing puppet controlling both Greenland and Alaska or to take both; but they have more than enough firepower pointed at it to effectively blockade it and force whatever travel costs they want at least.

Also note, this has been true for years and unless South America and Australia become major industrial exporters the NW passage when it finally opens would make US interests in the Panama Canal AND as a center of commerce effectively moot.  Depending on how fast it cascades we'll have years or decades where large parts of the year it's still more viable to land on one coast then ship to the other, and for some countries still cheaper to ship passing through American distribution.  Eventually we'll only be a consumer, and not even useful for our own internal shipping except from the coasts into flyover territory.

Again.  Years.  Practically a decade at least that we've known it's coming.  And people are still saying things like, "The Russians *might* take control of the NW passage".

I've said repeatedly there were some very difficult decisions that needed to be made by the time of Obama's first term at the very latest, but we got farked into cleaning up yet another every 16 years Republican economic looting.  If it was even possible to fix them at that time, to create a new economic standard and completely reorient our economy I don't know.  But I am increasingly concerned it is no longer possible to fix it without a complete disintegration, and what's more the very fact that these ideas are a surprise to anyone at all proves that we have been completely ignoring the truth of it.

But hey, single payer health care will be at lot easier when the single payer can pay full 12 year degree doctors with a loaf of bread so their family doesn't starve one more day.
 
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