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2020-01-05 7:21:52 PM  
If only I watched anything on a TV or had any use for 4k or 8k conten .
 
2020-01-05 7:25:35 PM  
We bought our parents a 65" Samsung 4k for under $500 on BF.  Last we saw at Target, it was still on sale for that price.
 
2020-01-05 7:33:26 PM  
It's hard enough to find anything in 4K worth watching in 4K. What the hell is gonna be available in 8K?
 
2020-01-05 7:33:59 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: It's hard enough to find anything in 4K worth watching in 4K. What the hell is gonna be available in 8K?


/available in 4K, worth watching in 4K
 
2020-01-05 7:36:59 PM  
Until I have a 90 inch TV or larger, I'm physically unable to see the difference between 4k and 8k content while sitting on my couch.

Unless you've got better than 20/20 vision or sit one foot away from the screen, you probably can't either.
 
2020-01-05 7:42:42 PM  

enry: We bought our parents a 65" Samsung 4k for under $500 on BF.  Last we saw at Target, it was still on sale for that price.


I bought my mother a 4k tv at Target for $400 a year or 2 ago.
It was a decently rated LG.
She doesn't watch anything in 4k, it was just a cheap tv.
 
2020-01-05 7:42:52 PM  
Resolution isn't everything.  I'm waiting for 4K OLED televisions to start including 4K OTA tuners before I ditch my late-model plasma.  Every time I see those big 4K QLED televisions on display at Costco, I'm highly underwhelmed.

/more interested the wider color and brightness ranges of 4K/UHD than the improved resolution
 
2020-01-05 7:42:57 PM  
I can't wait to hook my Atari 2600 up to this thing!
 
2020-01-05 7:43:13 PM  
When they start shooting porn in 4K or 8K, I'll consider buying one of those TVs. Right now, I'm rocking a 5 year old, 65" Samsung HDTV from Sam's Club and it seems to be just fine.
Hell, ever since I cut the cord and went to streaming services, I watch a lot less television in general
 
2020-01-05 7:45:49 PM  
It didn't list the MSRP but I'd guess it's north of $10K right now. Once the adware packed version comes out it will retail for $500.
 
2020-01-05 7:49:04 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: When they start shooting porn in 4K or 8K, I'll consider buying one of those TVs. Right now, I'm rocking a 5 year old, 65" Samsung HDTV from Sam's Club and it seems to be just fine.
Hell, ever since I cut the cord and went to streaming services, I watch a lot less television in general


Pretty sure there is a bunch of porn in 4k.
 
2020-01-05 7:49:14 PM  
I don't think I have any 4k content. Is the Netflix stuff real 4k or upscaled?

But I can't imagine ever needing more resolution.

At what point is the tv a higher definition than my eyes
 
2020-01-05 7:50:37 PM  
I don't think my old eyes are worthy of 8 or 4K. I'm still waiting for my 2008 720P to die.
 
2020-01-05 7:53:42 PM  
Bit the bullet a couple months ago, after about 10 years (and only once having to replace the bulb for 50 bucks) of using a 73' mitsubishi DLP, bought the 75' sony bravia.  I will say this, video games and movies look amazing, but I would have used that DLP for another 10 years had the part that failed not cost almost 400 dollars.

hopefully this thing lasts me 10 years too, then we'll be at what... 16K? Infinity?
 
2020-01-05 7:53:49 PM  

MetaDeth: I can't wait to hook my Atari 2600 up to this thing!


Make sure to switch it over from "B&W" to "color."
 
2020-01-05 7:55:03 PM  

Uzzah: MetaDeth: I can't wait to hook my Atari 2600 up to this thing!

Make sure to switch it over from "B&W" to "color."


also choose channel 3 or 4.
 
2020-01-05 7:59:59 PM  
My father just bought a 8K QLED for his new house, 82" I think. I am fine with my 4K Q8, which was second from top of the lines a year ago.
 
2020-01-05 8:00:56 PM  
What is with this obsession with "bevel-less design?" I've never been watching TV and found myself thinking, "I really wish I could see what was happening on that particular 1/2 inch of my wall."
 
2020-01-05 8:05:09 PM  
Bovine Diarrhea Virus: When they start shooting porn in 4K or 8K,

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2020-01-05 8:06:28 PM  

AbuHashish: Uzzah: MetaDeth: I can't wait to hook my Atari 2600 up to this thing!

Make sure to switch it over from "B&W" to "color."

also choose channel 3 or 4.


Don't forget to slide the RF switch to "Game" from "TV" as well.

Those edges on the sword in Adventure will definitely look sharp enough to kill the ducks chasing you.

\I called it "The Duck Game" when I was little.
\\Mastered that game.
\\\Definitely the champion of Frogs and Flies
 
2020-01-05 8:06:38 PM  
Will 8K be practical to broadcast, or will the bandwidth needed make it impractical?
 
2020-01-05 8:07:14 PM  
In before someone posts a resolution/screen size/visual acuity chart that fails to take into account major aspects of the human visual system.
 
2020-01-05 8:09:34 PM  

Gubbo: I don't think I have any 4k content. Is the Netflix stuff real 4k or upscaled?

But I can't imagine ever needing more resolution.

At what point is the tv a higher definition than my eyes


Real 4K, though I think you have to pay for it
 
2020-01-05 8:09:42 PM  

Chemlight Battery: What is with this obsession with "bevel-less design?" I've never been watching TV and found myself thinking, "I really wish I could see what was happening on that particular 1/2 inch of my wall."


I think the no bevel thing is more for advertising or companies who want to create giant displays.

Bevels these days are small enough that they really don't take up that much extra space.
 
2020-01-05 8:10:52 PM  

wiseolddude: Will 8K be practical to broadcast, or will the bandwidth needed make it impractical?


1080p isn't practical to broadcast yet. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it's all upscaled 720p on tv broadcasts
 
2020-01-05 8:12:03 PM  

Gubbo: wiseolddude: Will 8K be practical to broadcast, or will the bandwidth needed make it impractical?

1080p isn't practical to broadcast yet. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it's all upscaled 720p on tv broadcasts


I get my 4K content from video games, UHD DVD's, and 4K streaming.
 
2020-01-05 8:12:40 PM  

Gubbo: Chemlight Battery: What is with this obsession with "bevel-less design?" I've never been watching TV and found myself thinking, "I really wish I could see what was happening on that particular 1/2 inch of my wall."

I think the no bevel thing is more for advertising or companies who want to create giant displays.

Bevels these days are small enough that they really don't take up that much extra space.


A small bevel is really important when creating a video wall.   A zero bezel TV (or likely monitor) will cost way more than one with a 1/2 inch bezel.  Most TVs don't have a consistent bezel size on the top and the bottom (with the bottom usually being larger).  When I did my video wall I had to flip half of the TVs to take advantage of the smaller bezel size.
 
2020-01-05 8:12:53 PM  
A year ago I bought myself a 55" Samsung HDTV on black friday.  I love the picture and sound.  I hate the UI and the remote.  Both are abominations that I suspect are from Marketing being 100% in charge of the final product.  I quickly took my "smart" TV off my internet, it was more interesting in selling me stuff than letting me watch stuff.

Actually, I don't think marketing had any input to the remote.  I suspect they hired an intern and told them how many buttons they had, what they needed to do, and set them free with no oversight.  I'm 61 years old, this is the worst remote I've used in my life.  Even after a year, unless I'm changing channels, volume, or muting, I have to turn on a light to use it.  The pisser?  The TV randomly changes sound input between PCM and bitstream.  Once I figured out the problem it only takes me a minute or so to switch it back, but jeez, why would a TV randomly change sound input formats?

It could be if I put my TV back on my internet (WiFi password) it might, emphasis might, download a firmware rev to fix the problem.  But from what I've seen of this TV while it may fix that problem, it will cause others.

/ damn, this turned into a rant
// you don't want to know how much ranty stuff I deleted to get here
/// if you buy a Samsung plan on spending more $$$ for a decent remote
 
2020-01-05 8:13:25 PM  

Gubbo: Chemlight Battery: What is with this obsession with "bevel-less design?" I've never been watching TV and found myself thinking, "I really wish I could see what was happening on that particular 1/2 inch of my wall."

I think the no bevel thing is more for advertising or companies who want to create giant displays.

Bevels these days are small enough that they really don't take up that much extra space.


That... actually makes a lot of sense. Holy shiat, I actually learned something on Fark.
 
2020-01-05 8:13:34 PM  

Gubbo: 1080p isn't practical to broadcast yet. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it's all upscaled 720p on tv broadcasts


Fox is the only one doing 720p.  Everyone else (NBC, CBS, ABC) have been 1080i for quite a while.
 
2020-01-05 8:23:09 PM  

mjbok: Gubbo: 1080p isn't practical to broadcast yet. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it's all upscaled 720p on tv broadcasts

Fox is the only one doing 720p.  Everyone else (NBC, CBS, ABC) have been 1080i for quite a while.


1080i? That's not all that big a step up.

But suffice to say 4k broadcasts are very far away if 1080i is the best at the moment
 
2020-01-05 8:23:44 PM  

Chemlight Battery: Gubbo: Chemlight Battery: What is with this obsession with "bevel-less design?" I've never been watching TV and found myself thinking, "I really wish I could see what was happening on that particular 1/2 inch of my wall."

I think the no bevel thing is more for advertising or companies who want to create giant displays.

Bevels these days are small enough that they really don't take up that much extra space.

That... actually makes a lot of sense. Holy shiat, I actually learned something on Fark.


Every once in a while it happens. My advice is to not let it scare you and just move on to the rest of the nonsense we post
 
2020-01-05 8:25:20 PM  

enry: We bought our parents a 65" Samsung 4k for under $500 on BF.  Last we saw at Target, it was still on sale for that price.


Damn it must be nice living in the US where retailers don't rape you senseless.
Here's a search for a similar tv at the local Best Buy.
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2020-01-05 8:26:00 PM  

Dinjiin: Resolution isn't everything.  I'm waiting for 4K OLED televisions to start including 4K OTA tuners before I ditch my late-model plasma.  Every time I see those big 4K QLED televisions on display at Costco, I'm highly underwhelmed.

/more interested the wider color and brightness ranges of 4K/UHD than the improved resolution


Samsung is supposedly releasing TVs with 4k receivers.
Not sure if any OTA stations are transmitting in 4k.
 
2020-01-05 8:26:59 PM  

Snotnose: A year ago I bought myself a 55" Samsung HDTV on black friday.  I love the picture and sound.  I hate the UI and the remote.  Both are abominations that I suspect are from Marketing being 100% in charge of the final product.  I quickly took my "smart" TV off my internet, it was more interesting in selling me stuff than letting me watch stuff.

Actually, I don't think marketing had any input to the remote.  I suspect they hired an intern and told them how many buttons they had, what they needed to do, and set them free with no oversight.  I'm 61 years old, this is the worst remote I've used in my life.  Even after a year, unless I'm changing channels, volume, or muting, I have to turn on a light to use it.  The pisser?  The TV randomly changes sound input between PCM and bitstream.  Once I figured out the problem it only takes me a minute or so to switch it back, but jeez, why would a TV randomly change sound input formats?

It could be if I put my TV back on my internet (WiFi password) it might, emphasis might, download a firmware rev to fix the problem.  But from what I've seen of this TV while it may fix that problem, it will cause others.

/ damn, this turned into a rant
// you don't want to know how much ranty stuff I deleted to get here
/// if you buy a Samsung plan on spending more $$$ for a decent remote


I have a samsung smart tv. it's never tried to sell me a thing.

My remote is terrible though. As are the menus. But that goes for every tv ever.
 
2020-01-05 8:27:58 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: It's hard enough to find anything in 4K worth watching in 4K. What the hell is gonna be available in 8K?


Not sure if you saw that thread about a horror movie featuring a giant asshole in the woods, but... I heard they're filming it in 8k. Must see tv!
 
2020-01-05 8:30:21 PM  

Gubbo: Snotnose: A year ago I bought myself a 55" Samsung HDTV on black friday.  I love the picture and sound.  I hate the UI and the remote.  Both are abominations that I suspect are from Marketing being 100% in charge of the final product.  I quickly took my "smart" TV off my internet, it was more interesting in selling me stuff than letting me watch stuff.

Actually, I don't think marketing had any input to the remote.  I suspect they hired an intern and told them how many buttons they had, what they needed to do, and set them free with no oversight.  I'm 61 years old, this is the worst remote I've used in my life.  Even after a year, unless I'm changing channels, volume, or muting, I have to turn on a light to use it.  The pisser?  The TV randomly changes sound input between PCM and bitstream.  Once I figured out the problem it only takes me a minute or so to switch it back, but jeez, why would a TV randomly change sound input formats?

It could be if I put my TV back on my internet (WiFi password) it might, emphasis might, download a firmware rev to fix the problem.  But from what I've seen of this TV while it may fix that problem, it will cause others.

/ damn, this turned into a rant
// you don't want to know how much ranty stuff I deleted to get here
/// if you buy a Samsung plan on spending more $$$ for a decent remote

I have a samsung smart tv. it's never tried to sell me a thing.

My remote is terrible though. As are the menus. But that goes for every tv ever.


My Samsung Q8 came with a tiny remote that is very easy to use, has good voice recognition, and is Bluetooth so no need to point it at the TV.

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2020-01-05 8:32:56 PM  
I still have a 1080p receiver for my tv/stereo and I'm not upgrading to whatever-K until that kicks the bucket.
 
2020-01-05 8:36:29 PM  

Chemlight Battery: What is with this obsession with "bevel-less design?" I've never been watching TV and found myself thinking, "I really wish I could see what was happening on that particular 1/2 inch of my wall."


It's part of a long-term strategy. First they convince you that a smaller bevel = better, then they introduce the idea of a negative bevel, and before you know it you're buying a 60-inch screen advertised as an 80-inch with a -20-inch bevel.

Don't think it will happen? Well, manufacturers used to list response times in terms of BTB and then abruptly changed to GTG, which is a lower number. Or how HD and Full HD refer to the vertical resolutions of 720 and 1080 respectively, but now TVs are sold as 4K, which refers to the (rounded-up from 3840) horizontal resolution.
 
2020-01-05 8:41:05 PM  

Gubbo: I have a samsung smart tv. it's never tried to sell me a thing.


You are the product. They sell detailed data on your viewing habits to advertisers.
 
2020-01-05 8:42:13 PM  

Snotnose: A year ago I bought myself a 55" Samsung HDTV on black friday.  I love the picture and sound.  I hate the UI and the remote.  Both are abominations that I suspect are from Marketing being 100% in charge of the final product.  I quickly took my "smart" TV off my internet, it was more interesting in selling me stuff than letting me watch stuff.


My last TV was a Samsung, it was aight, and the Windows software for streaming stuff to it worked OK.

Got an LG, with WebOS these days, and it's complete dogshiat. If you want to yearn for the heady days of having a usable TV, give LG a shot.
 
2020-01-05 8:43:56 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Gubbo: I have a samsung smart tv. it's never tried to sell me a thing.

You are the product. They sell detailed data on your viewing habits to advertisers.


Them and literally everything else I own.

In this case though, all they can sell is that I own an Xbox and a PC and only use those

In turn the Xbox and PC can sell my data I guess.
 
2020-01-05 8:44:08 PM  

mjbok: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: When they start shooting porn in 4K or 8K, I'll consider buying one of those TVs. Right now, I'm rocking a 5 year old, 65" Samsung HDTV from Sam's Club and it seems to be just fine.
Hell, ever since I cut the cord and went to streaming services, I watch a lot less television in general

Pretty sure there is a bunch of porn in 4k.


Yep, pretty much type in the name of your particular fetish plus "4K.com" at the end into your browser address bar and it'll take you right there.

This is NOT hyperbole.
 
2020-01-05 8:45:20 PM  

Mad_Radhu: mjbok: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: When they start shooting porn in 4K or 8K, I'll consider buying one of those TVs. Right now, I'm rocking a 5 year old, 65" Samsung HDTV from Sam's Club and it seems to be just fine.
Hell, ever since I cut the cord and went to streaming services, I watch a lot less television in general

Pretty sure there is a bunch of porn in 4k.

Yep, pretty much type in the name of your particular fetish plus "4K.com" at the end into your browser address bar and it'll take you right there.

This is NOT hyperbole.


There are just some things that I'm happy to have in lower resolution....
 
2020-01-05 8:45:28 PM  
My 58" 1080p Plasma still makes people comment on how nice it looks. I'd challenge anybody to pick out a pixel watching something like Samsara or Koyaanisqatsi as eye candy on the screen, at any distance over a few inches.

Still, it's starting to show its age, but anything less than an OLED or QLED display to replace it would be a let down. I have 3 4k screens already in my household.... my computer monitors. :) PCMR and all that.
 
2020-01-05 8:46:55 PM  

mjbok: Gubbo: Chemlight Battery: What is with this obsession with "bevel-less design?" I've never been watching TV and found myself thinking, "I really wish I could see what was happening on that particular 1/2 inch of my wall."

I think the no bevel thing is more for advertising or companies who want to create giant displays.

Bevels these days are small enough that they really don't take up that much extra space.

A small bevel is really important when creating a video wall.   A zero bezel TV (or likely monitor) will cost way more than one with a 1/2 inch bezel.  Most TVs don't have a consistent bezel size on the top and the bottom (with the bottom usually being larger).  When I did my video wall I had to flip half of the TVs to take advantage of the smaller bezel size.


Don't they generally have pro models that are designed with small, consistent bezels expressly for the purpose of creating video walls?
 
2020-01-05 8:54:27 PM  

Gubbo: mjbok: Gubbo: 1080p isn't practical to broadcast yet. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it's all upscaled 720p on tv broadcasts

Fox is the only one doing 720p.  Everyone else (NBC, CBS, ABC) have been 1080i for quite a while.

1080i? That's not all that big a step up.

But suffice to say 4k broadcasts are very far away if 1080i is the best at the moment


1080i is actually a step down because deinterlacing the video for a flat panel display is harder to do than simply upscaling a progressive scan video. Most TVs do it pretty well, but you could wind up with some artifacts in certain circumstances.

It's just really weird they'd continue broadcasting in 1080i when tube type TVs have been pretty much extinct in the wild for almost a decade.
 
2020-01-05 8:59:57 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: Dinjiin: Resolution isn't everything.  I'm waiting for 4K OLED televisions to start including 4K OTA tuners before I ditch my late-model plasma.  Every time I see those big 4K QLED televisions on display at Costco, I'm highly underwhelmed.

/more interested the wider color and brightness ranges of 4K/UHD than the improved resolution

Samsung is supposedly releasing TVs with 4k receivers.
Not sure if any OTA stations are transmitting in 4k.


You are talking about ATSC 3.0.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATSC_​3​.0

It isn't live in many markets.

It comes with out great friends "targeted advertising" and "watermarking" AKA "we know who you are and what you watch and when you record and what you upload".
 
2020-01-05 9:07:02 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: When they start shooting porn in 4K or 8K, I'll consider buying one of those TVs. Right now, I'm rocking a 5 year old, 65" Samsung HDTV from Sam's Club and it seems to be just fine.
Hell, ever since I cut the cord and went to streaming services, I watch a lot less television in general


8K porn will allow you to diagnose serious diseases deep inside people. No one wants that.
 
2020-01-05 9:11:37 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Gubbo: mjbok: Gubbo: 1080p isn't practical to broadcast yet. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it's all upscaled 720p on tv broadcasts

Fox is the only one doing 720p.  Everyone else (NBC, CBS, ABC) have been 1080i for quite a while.

1080i? That's not all that big a step up.

But suffice to say 4k broadcasts are very far away if 1080i is the best at the moment

1080i is actually a step down because deinterlacing the video for a flat panel display is harder to do than simply upscaling a progressive scan video. Most TVs do it pretty well, but you could wind up with some artifacts in certain circumstances.

It's just really weird they'd continue broadcasting in 1080i when tube type TVs have been pretty much extinct in the wild for almost a decade.


That is because that is what the ATSC 1.0 standard permits.

ATSC 3.0 is on the way.

Y'all need to understand a TV station OTA has 6MHz of frequency spectrum to work with and the signal has to have a certain modulation for the data and the data has to have a certain format.  You can't just start sending 4K H.265 in the bitstream and expect 10 year old TVs to work along with Grandma's digital converter box.  They are even changing the modulation between 1.0 and 3.0 from 8VSB to OFDM.
 
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