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2019-11-15 6:25:39 PM  
26 votes:
I'm very liberal when it comes to social issues, and I'm very much a supporter of LGBTQ issues. I was righteously pissed off about the 'gay ban' on giving blood, so I decided to do some research and crunch some math.

What I discovered is that men who engage in sex with other men are somewhere between 4000% to 9000% more likely to contract HIV than the general population, depending on what specific sources you look at. Add to the fact that HIV can take months to show up on a test, and that gay and bisexual men make up a fairly small percentage of the population, I ended up changing my mind.

I concluded that the policy is unfortunate but logical given the facts.
 
2019-11-15 5:57:02 PM  
16 votes:

Kalyco Jack: Has anyone ever actually been prosecuted for donating gay blood?


No. They just tell men who have sex with men they aren't able to donate because their chance of having HIV is statistically vastly higher than any other demographic, particularly more than men who only have sex with women and don't use iv drugs.
 
2019-11-15 5:57:17 PM  
11 votes:

pikov.yndropov: LGBTQnation

I thought it was LGBTQAPXRS now.


Ya know, the less people the heteros discriminate against, the less people that have to be included in a group fighting for equality.
 
2019-11-15 5:20:04 PM  
9 votes:
The deferral period is 12 months in the U.S.

I guess I'll just keep my universal donor blood all to myself, then.
 
2019-11-15 7:05:03 PM  
8 votes:
The bans are for medical, not religious or moral reasons, so stop claiming discrimination.  AIDS doesn't discriminate.
 
2019-11-15 6:04:00 PM  
7 votes:
As long as they are getting very specific with individual acts and behaviors, recognizing that not every sexual act has the same chance at HIV transmission, this is a good idea.

Men who engage in only oral sex with another man in a monogamous relationship absolutely dont have the same chance at HIV transmission as men who bareback bottom for random Grindr hookups, for instance. But they do need to recognize that not every sex act has the same chances of disease transmission.
 
2019-11-15 9:18:39 PM  
6 votes:

meanmutton: As long as they are getting very specific with individual acts and behaviors, recognizing that not every sexual act has the same chance at HIV transmission, this is a good idea.

Men who engage in only oral sex with another man in a monogamous relationship absolutely dont have the same chance at HIV transmission as men who bareback bottom for random Grindr hookups, for instance. But they do need to recognize that not every sex act has the same chances of disease transmission.


I worked in a state hospital when AIDS first came on the scene. I attended a meeting at which we discussed enhanced protocol with at-risk patients for blood and body fluid handling and disposal. A guy I worked with, with whom I got along just fine and who was gay, tried to hijack the meeting by complaining about discrimination and homophobia and so on.

The clinical director shut him down and said, "Listen, those are good questions and a valuable discussion, but not here. There's a great deal we don't yet know about this virus, and we will be following these new JCAH guidelines, for your safety and our patients' safety."

Several months later we attended another meeting for more protocol changes, these about handling sharps (electric razor heads, disposable razors, syringes and so on. They also mentioned the updated policies about donating and using blood products. This set my friend off again, but the director shut him down even faster: "This is NOT the time and place for this discussion! Surgical patients all over the country are contracting HIV from tainted blood, so your grandstanding is unprofessional. Either you get with the program here or you find another job."

My friend decided to keep his job, but he and I discussed it a number of times. His position was that all these new restrictions were just good excuses to persecute gay people;  mine was that in the absence of an effective screening apparatus, it was totally possible to take steps to keep tainted blood out of circulation without persecuting gay people.

Sometime soon after that they came out with the guidelines saying that if you shouldn't be donating you could check a box saying you wanted to donate anyway, but the blood bank should throw it out.

At first I couldn't imagine WTF such a rule was passed, but my friend said some people, such as firefighters or cops, were often obliged to join donor drives and this way gay firefighters or cops could avoid being outed but keep the blood supply safe.

I get that, but as someone else pointed out, some of these guidelines rely on the assumption that everyone involved wants to do the right thing, and that no one who was infected but didn't know it yet would ever slip through.

Anyway, things have obviously improved radically since then, but I think some of these activists need to stop making it all about themselves.
 
2019-11-15 6:10:30 PM  
6 votes:
They adjusted the mad cow restrictions a few years ago.  As long as they are being scientific about it, and erring on the side of caution, I'm ok with it.

Of course, donors carry the moral obligation to be truthful when they fill out the donation form.

That one time with the hairy guy in the bar restroom still happened, even if you've lied to yourself that it didn't really count since you were drunk and angry with your boyfriend.
 
2019-11-15 6:10:24 PM  
6 votes:

jaytkay: Wouldn't they be testing all blood anyway for HIV and lots of other things?


Yes, but it's prohibitively expensive to test each one separately. So they mix several donations and test that. If a blood borne pathogen is found the entire batch is destroyed and no further testing is done.
 
2019-11-15 7:59:49 PM  
5 votes:

Diogenes: The deferral period is 12 months in the U.S.

I guess I'll just keep my universal donor blood all to myself, then.


If you didn't know that it was 12 months (down from any male-male sexual contact since 1977) you weren't donating anyway so save me your false indignation.

/will have donated 100 units next year.
 
2019-11-15 6:10:02 PM  
3 votes:

jaytkay: Moreover, HIV testing has improved over the last several decades - tests are reliable three weeks after possible exposure now.

Wouldn't they be testing all blood anyway for HIV and lots of other things?

/ I had A LOT of blood tests done before donating a kidney and results were negative for ALL the things
// I considered getting tattoos for the Good Housekeeping seal and Underwriters Labs
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And by doing so you would be banned from donating for a time. I think it would be worth it...
 
2019-11-15 5:45:56 PM  
3 votes:
I'm AB

you're all my blood bags.
 
2019-11-16 12:08:43 AM  
2 votes:
What a depressing thread. It's almost like you all forgot that people can and do lie on these forms. If every batch of blood was tested, this would never be an issue, plain and simple. Instead, we have a lot of misinformation and fear mongering by those who seem to be stuck in the 1980s.
 
2019-11-15 11:42:49 PM  
2 votes:

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2019-11-15 9:14:18 PM  
2 votes:

3rd Burglar: pikov.yndropov: LGBTQnation

I thought it was LGBTQAPXRS now.

Ya know, the less people the heteros discriminate against, the less people that have to be included in a group fighting for equality.


It's like arguing for a "stright pride" parade. They don't NEED one, because nobody's killing them just for being straight. We LGBT people need to celebrate every year we get to be not murdered.
 
2019-11-15 8:04:08 PM  
2 votes:

FrancoFile: Of course, donors carry the moral obligation to be truthful when they fill out the donation form.


People lie. But they also forget, misunderstand the question, give the answer they think is "right" or what the interviewer wants to hear, make mistakes, have differing view of what exactly is "sex", etc.

I would not trust self-reporting, and it isn't because of any moral considerations.
 
2019-11-15 6:23:07 PM  
2 votes:

Kalyco Jack: Has anyone ever actually been prosecuted for donating gay blood?


Iirc, a gay man in Canada got charged for lying on the questionaire after announcing his blood donation.
Citation needed though.
 
2019-11-16 2:41:49 PM  
1 vote:

slantsix: What a depressing thread. It's almost like you all forgot that people can and do lie on these forms. If every batch of blood was tested, this would never be an issue, plain and simple. Instead, we have a lot of misinformation and fear mongering by those who seem to be stuck in the 1980s.


Every batch of blood IS tested. Every single one. It's tested for Hepatitis , HIV, Syphilis, West Nile, Zika, and more.

But it's tested in batches because testing isn't cheap. My blood is mixed with samples from a dozen other donors and they are tested as a group, so if you have Hepatitis and donate anyway my blood gets dumped if my blood happens to get tested with yours.
 
2019-11-16 8:48:22 AM  
1 vote:

berylman: Random side note: Interestingly the primary oxygen absorbing component of your red blood cells in heme porphyrin is capable of displaying a remarkable spectra of colors in the presence of different metals in which normal cases is iron and just blue and red.
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x218] Crustaceans get funky with the Cu2+ and go green and purple


I think crustaceans use magnesium in the middle for blue blood. Put a copper in there and you get chlorophyll, which can be green or red or purple.
 
2019-11-15 9:58:04 PM  
1 vote:

Sensei Can You See: 0z79: just good excuses to persecute gay people;  mine was that in the absence of an effective screening apparatus, it was totally possible to take steps to keep tainted blood out of circul ...


You never closed your parenthetical.

I never opened one.


Several months later we attended another meeting for more protocol changes, these about handling sharps (electric razor heads, disposable razors, syringes and so on. They also mentioned the updated policies about donating and using blood products. This set my friend off again, but the director shut him down even faster: "This is NOT the time and place for this discussion! Surgical patients all over the country are contracting HIV from tainted blood, so your grandstanding is unprofessional. Either you get with the program here or you find another job."

You most certainly DID.
 
2019-11-15 9:22:48 PM  
1 vote:

Sensei Can You See: meanmutton: As long as they are getting very specific with individual acts and behaviors, recognizing that not every sexual act has the same chance at HIV transmission, this is a good idea.

Men who engage in only oral sex with another man in a monogamous relationship absolutely dont have the same chance at HIV transmission as men who bareback bottom for random Grindr hookups, for instance. But they do need to recognize that not every sex act has the same chances of disease transmission.

I worked in a state hospital when AIDS first came on the scene. I attended a meeting at which we discussed enhanced protocol with at-risk patients for blood and body fluid handling and disposal. A guy I worked with, with whom I got along just fine and who was gay, tried to hijack the meeting by complaining about discrimination and homophobia and so on.

The clinical director shut him down and said, "Listen, those are good questions and a valuable discussion, but not here. There's a great deal we don't yet know about this virus, and we will be following these new JCAH guidelines, for your safety and our patients' safety."

Several months later we attended another meeting for more protocol changes, these about handling sharps (electric razor heads, disposable razors, syringes and so on. They also mentioned the updated policies about donating and using blood products. This set my friend off again, but the director shut him down even faster: "This is NOT the time and place for this discussion! Surgical patients all over the country are contracting HIV from tainted blood, so your grandstanding is unprofessional. Either you get with the program here or you find another job."

My friend decided to keep his job, but he and I discussed it a number of times. His position was that all these new restrictions were just good excuses to persecute gay people;  mine was that in the absence of an effective screening apparatus, it was totally possible to take steps to keep tainted blood out of circul ...


You never closed your parenthetical.
 
2019-11-15 9:05:25 PM  
1 vote:

Destructor: berylman: Crustaceans get funky with the Cu2+ and go green and purple

Just like Vulcans.


Vulcans, hell!  That's the Drazi!

/"Green must fight Purple, Purple must fight Green!"
//"But I'm not even Drazi!  I'm Human!"
///"Rules for conflict predate contact with other civilizations.  Rules change caught up in committee."
 
2019-11-15 7:36:07 PM  
1 vote:

FirstNationalBastard: We Ate the Necco Wafers: I've got that sweet rhesus monkey blood in me.

So, you're full of Rhesus pieces?


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2019-11-15 6:56:55 PM  
1 vote:

Thosw: An upcoming convention I'm going to is allowing the Red Cross come in to take donations. After the announcement, we had someone claim that the convention was homophobic for allowing the Red Cross access. Their argument was that *no one* should be able to donate until restrictions on his donating were lifted.


Twenty years ago some jerk wrote to the campus newspaper about the current blood drive and how he was going to lie to donate because the policy was wrong in his not-medical-at-all opinion.
 
2019-11-15 6:34:08 PM  
1 vote:
An upcoming convention I'm going to is allowing the Red Cross come in to take donations. After the announcement, we had someone claim that the convention was homophobic for allowing the Red Cross access. Their argument was that *no one* should be able to donate until restrictions on his donating were lifted.
 
2019-11-15 6:30:52 PM  
1 vote:
"The blood will not actually be used in a clinical setting. UNILAD says they're trying to make a point about how much blood could be donated if the gay blood ban were lifted and how safe it would be with their individualized risk assessment approach."


So this is literally just a ritual blood sacrifice, and for their purposes, the more blood sacrificed, the better.

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2019-11-15 6:17:53 PM  
1 vote:
Random side note: Interestingly the primary oxygen absorbing component of your red blood cells in heme porphyrin is capable of displaying a remarkable spectra of colors in the presence of different metals in which normal cases is iron and just blue and red.
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Crustaceans get funky with the Cu2+ and go green and purple
 
2019-11-15 5:57:32 PM  
1 vote:
Moreover, HIV testing has improved over the last several decades - tests are reliable three weeks after possible exposure now.

Wouldn't they be testing all blood anyway for HIV and lots of other things?

/ I had A LOT of blood tests done before donating a kidney and results were negative for ALL the things
// I considered getting tattoos for the Good Housekeeping seal and Underwriters Labs
///
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2019-11-15 5:51:28 PM  
1 vote:
Has anyone ever actually been prosecuted for donating gay blood?
 
2019-11-15 5:50:38 PM  
1 vote:
LGBTQnation

I thought it was LGBTQAPXRS now.
 
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