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2019-10-18 07:40:07 PM  
Whatever you might think about the movie, this China shiat is not a good think for the industry.
 
2019-10-18 08:17:51 PM  
Sorry, honey, your dad was an American citizen. Brash, violent, loud, and braggardly.
It comes with the turf.

Yeah, being raised as a youngster in one country does not weigh as much as going through your 20s in California with California girls.
 
2019-10-18 08:53:13 PM  
An Army Special Forces soldier recently back from Vietnam using ugly, brutal, and efficient practical martial arts held his own against a guy whose martial arts are primarily used for looking cool on camera.

This is an outrage.
 
2019-10-18 09:22:02 PM  
The whole thing was in an alternate reality. That was not a portrayal of her father, it is the Bruce Lee from a universe that never existed.
 
2019-10-18 09:31:15 PM  
Quentin may not GAF.
 
2019-10-18 09:35:18 PM  
Which movie has more manufactured outrage, this one or Joker?
 
2019-10-18 09:37:16 PM  

Cagey B: Which movie has more manufactured outrage, this one or Joker?


They were both really good.
 
2019-10-18 09:48:47 PM  

Cagey B: Which movie has more manufactured outrage, this one or Joker?


I think the studio tried harder to manufacture outrage over Joker. I'm not saying it wasn't a good movie because it was but I think the studio would have preferred it if there were more shootings and more controversy. But it made its money so everyone's happy.

This Bruce Lee chick seems genuinely pissed off though.
 
2019-10-19 01:55:27 AM  
According to sources close to Bona and China's Film Bureau, Bruce Lee's daughter, Shannon Lee, made a direct appeal to China's National Film Administration, asking that it demand changes to her father's portrayal.

As noted by Mugato, this is terrible for the American film industry.  Tarantino probably doesn't give a damn, but virtually any other filmmaker is going to make sure they do nothing to offend China.  Got a great script based around the Cultural Revolution?   You better find a way to blame all those murders on the Soviets.  Not that anyone would dare to even make a movie that mentions the existence of the Cultural Revolution.

According to Wikipedia: Shannon Emery Lee (born April 19, 1969) is an American actress, martial artist and businesswoman. I'm not usually a fan of making people unemployable for some real or imagined offense but, if this story is true, then I hope Shannon Lee becomes unemployable in the American film industry.  And this isn't about Tarantino's movie (which, full disclosure, I *did* enjoy), it's about using an oppressive regime to influence American film content.  It's already happening, tacitly, too often.

If she can't find work here anymore, it sounds like she has some connections in the Chinese film industry who might have some work for her.
 
2019-10-19 02:01:37 AM  

vudukungfu: Sorry, honey, your dad was an American citizen. Brash, violent, loud, and braggardly.
It comes with the turf.

Yeah, being raised as a youngster in one country does not weigh as much as going through your 20s in California with California girls.


*citation required (quoting QT doesn't count)
 
2019-10-19 02:03:19 AM  

BadReligion: The whole thing was in an alternate reality. That was not a portrayal of her father, it is the Bruce Lee from a universe that never existed.


That would be ok and dandy, and that's the best answer. But when QT said that was exactly Bruce Lee in real life, an accurate depiction, he royally farked up.
 
2019-10-19 02:05:16 AM  

Naido: According to sources close to Bona and China's Film Bureau, Bruce Lee's daughter, Shannon Lee, made a direct appeal to China's National Film Administration, asking that it demand changes to her father's portrayal.

As noted by Mugato, this is terrible for the American film industry.  Tarantino probably doesn't give a damn, but virtually any other filmmaker is going to make sure they do nothing to offend China.  Got a great script based around the Cultural Revolution?   You better find a way to blame all those murders on the Soviets.  Not that anyone would dare to even make a movie that mentions the existence of the Cultural Revolution.

According to Wikipedia: Shannon Emery Lee (born April 19, 1969) is an American actress, martial artist and businesswoman. I'm not usually a fan of making people unemployable for some real or imagined offense but, if this story is true, then I hope Shannon Lee becomes unemployable in the American film industry.  And this isn't about Tarantino's movie (which, full disclosure, I *did* enjoy), it's about using an oppressive regime to influence American film content.  It's already happening, tacitly, too often.

If she can't find work here anymore, it sounds like she has some connections in the Chinese film industry who might have some work for her.


LOL! She hasn't acted in decades. She runs Bruce Lee Family enterprises, overlooking the business. I think she's doing ok.
 
2019-10-19 02:07:15 AM  
no about a time in china!

/said with accent
 
2019-10-19 02:07:20 AM  
It always comes down to powerful peoples feelings getting hurt.
 
2019-10-19 02:14:51 AM  
To add, my thoughts are that the film will get a release in China regardless. It's not that the PRC are fans of someone more associated with Hong Kong and America, than China. As much as I admire someone like Bruce, I do think Shannon is over-reaching here. She had her say. It's been well reported. We get it. But let it go.

Anyway, possibly there will be a compromise and cuts will be made - the Bruce stuff as well as any violence - which surely will be interesting to see how QT and the studio / Hollywood react.
 
2019-10-19 02:16:02 AM  

Mugato: Whatever you might think about the movie, this China shiat is not a good think for the industry.


Odds on China eventually getting tired of big dumb American movies and Hollywood being farked because the US moviegoers have abandoned them, too?
 
2019-10-19 02:16:11 AM  
Respect to the US Constitution. China sucks.
 
2019-10-19 02:18:26 AM  

edmo: Quentin may not GAF.


You appear to be correct

Quentin Tarantino Won't Recut 'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' for China

It's weird since the article I linked is from before TFA and it's from the same site.
 
2019-10-19 02:19:06 AM  

crazydave023: It always comes down to powerful peoples feelings getting hurt.


Indeed. A lot of farkers must be "powerful people" as they consistently like to rage against their anti-tribe.
 
2019-10-19 03:06:24 AM  

Buck Dancer: crazydave023: It always comes down to powerful peoples feelings getting hurt.

Indeed. A lot of farkers must be "powerful people" as they consistently like to rage against their anti-tribe.


Even Tarantino thinks this is too much projection.
 
2019-10-19 04:00:59 AM  
WTF Fark, this was her dad.
 
2019-10-19 04:47:10 AM  
We don't need China's gov't censorship.
I was able to not give Tarantino a dime for that flick, of my own accord, without their meddling.
I doubt the citizens there will look any more kindly on disrespect for the late, great, Bruce Lee than I did.

Pulp Fiction was great and all, but I'd take Bruce's collected works over Tarantino's any day of the week.
And *without* PF that race would be a laugher.

/He should watch out.  If people make a movie after he passes that shows him as an asshole, no one will find it controversial.  Because it would be totally believable.
//I'd find it hard to believe that people are white knighting him and shiatting on Lee...
///But this is Fark.
 
2019-10-19 06:25:34 AM  
Dont worry though. Im sure everyone here would be calm and rational if a chinese movie said it was total fact that, say....., morgan freeman was a racist black panther who raped white women left and right after he died. No one here woukf have any reason to be wanting the movie changed right?


Oh wait, this entire thread is racist farkbags trying to whitewash one of chinas movie heros just because the racist dickbag eho made it said its ok
 
2019-10-19 06:41:21 AM  

lifeslammer: Dont worry though. Im sure everyone here would be calm and rational if a chinese movie said it was total fact that, say....., morgan freeman was a racist black panther who raped white women left and right after he died. No one here woukf have any reason to be wanting the movie changed right?


Oh wait, this entire thread is racist farkbags trying to whitewash one of chinas movie heros just because the racist dickbag eho made it said its ok


Ladies and gentlemen, I'm coining a new portmanteau:  Wokehole.
 
2019-10-19 07:14:54 AM  

Sgt Otter: An Army Special Forces soldier recently back from Vietnam using ugly, brutal, and efficient practical martial arts held his own against a guy whose martial arts are primarily used for looking cool on camera.

This is an outrage.


Look, you can't say Kung Fu or any of the traditional Chinese martial arts are bad in China without The Party bringing down the hammer.

It is like the power is in the hands of the cockwombles who get bent out of shape when you say Jefferson was a rapist and Washington a giant hypocrite.
 
2019-10-19 07:59:17 AM  

Mugato: Whatever you might think about the movie, this China shiat is not a good think for the industry.


I'm shocked nobody saw this coming.  Once China had firmly entrenched itself as a major financial backer it was only a matter of time until it started demanding more than just surface level propaganda.
 
2019-10-19 08:40:35 AM  

Cagey B: Which movie has more manufactured outrage, this one or Joker?


ur statement is outrageous!!
 
2019-10-19 08:42:25 AM  

Mugato: Cagey B: Which movie has more manufactured outrage, this one or Joker?

I think the studio tried harder to manufacture outrage over Joker. I'm not saying it wasn't a good movie because it was but I think the studio would have preferred it if there were more shootings and more controversy. But it made its money so everyone's happy.

This Bruce Lee chick seems genuinely pissed off though.


i suspect part of the outrage is from the 1% who own the critics who are outraged.
 
2019-10-19 08:44:41 AM  

Naido: According to sources close to Bona and China's Film Bureau, Bruce Lee's daughter, Shannon Lee, made a direct appeal to China's National Film Administration, asking that it demand changes to her father's portrayal.

As noted by Mugato, this is terrible for the American film industry.  Tarantino probably doesn't give a damn, but virtually any other filmmaker is going to make sure they do nothing to offend China.  Got a great script based around the Cultural Revolution?   You better find a way to blame all those murders on the Soviets.  Not that anyone would dare to even make a movie that mentions the existence of the Cultural Revolution.

According to Wikipedia: Shannon Emery Lee (born April 19, 1969) is an American actress, martial artist and businesswoman. I'm not usually a fan of making people unemployable for some real or imagined offense but, if this story is true, then I hope Shannon Lee becomes unemployable in the American film industry.  And this isn't about Tarantino's movie (which, full disclosure, I *did* enjoy), it's about using an oppressive regime to influence American film content.  It's already happening, tacitly, too often.

If she can't find work here anymore, it sounds like she has some connections in the Chinese film industry who might have some work for her.


no one can afford to push the New China around any more.
 
2019-10-19 08:45:54 AM  

GungFu: BadReligion: The whole thing was in an alternate reality. That was not a portrayal of her father, it is the Bruce Lee from a universe that never existed.

That would be ok and dandy, and that's the best answer. But when QT said that was exactly Bruce Lee in real life, an accurate depiction, he royally farked up.


She should sue him for slander, then. But targeting the movie -- particularly a movie that is clearly operating in an alternate reality -- is a dick move.
 
2019-10-19 08:46:04 AM  

crazydave023: It always comes down to powerful peoples feelings getting hurt.


hence Joker too.
 
2019-10-19 08:47:53 AM  

Buck Dancer: Respect to the US Constitution. China sucks.


and the US is the shining light on the hill.
 
2019-10-19 08:53:10 AM  
Wait, you mean I wasn't supposed to laugh out loud when Bruce Lee got thrown into that car?
 
2019-10-19 09:23:30 AM  

someonelse: GungFu: BadReligion: The whole thing was in an alternate reality. That was not a portrayal of her father, it is the Bruce Lee from a universe that never existed.

That would be ok and dandy, and that's the best answer. But when QT said that was exactly Bruce Lee in real life, an accurate depiction, he royally farked up.

She should sue him for slander, then. But targeting the movie -- particularly a movie that is clearly operating in an alternate reality -- is a dick move.


I don't think that's how the law works. Look into it.
 
2019-10-19 09:41:44 AM  
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, F*CK YOU, COKEHEAD!
 
2019-10-19 10:10:41 AM  

lifeslammer: Dont worry though. Im sure everyone here would be calm and rational if a chinese movie said it was total fact that, say....., morgan freeman was a racist black panther who raped white women left and right after he died. No one here woukf have any reason to be wanting the movie changed right?


Oh wait, this entire thread is racist farkbags trying to whitewash one of chinas movie heros just because the racist dickbag eho made it said its ok


A movie about zombie Morgan Freeman raping white women?  Not exactly my cup of tea, but I'd probably give it a watch.

But really that is a shiatty comparison.  Bruce Lee wasn't being portrayed as a rapist, he was being portrayed as having a different attitude.  Lots of people aren't exactly happy with how they're portrayed in movies and tv.
 
2019-10-19 10:15:25 AM  
And Tarantino has no one to blame but Tarantino. He handled the situation like a royal tool. He badically told the dead guy's daughter to STFU because he knew better. He could have defended his "vision" without being an asshole.
 
2019-10-19 10:17:40 AM  

Sgt Otter: An Army Special Forces soldier recently back from Vietnam using ugly, brutal, and efficient practical martial arts held his own against a guy whose martial arts are primarily used for looking cool on camera.

This is an outrage.


Bruce Lee would have cleaned his clock.  Bruce didn't just do martial arts on camera, he was a world champion competition guy, if I remember correctly.  Yes the army and Army special forces teach a lot of brutal and efficient martial arts, but beating people with your firsts is not how the US Special Forces primarily fights wars.  They are more about using overwhelming firepower to subdue the enemy.  To them martial arts is something they occasionally practice, so that they can get out of a tight jam.  Bruce Lee was always practicing martial arts.  Even if most of his stuff was flashy nonsense, the practical stuff he knew would have given him the edge.
 
2019-10-19 10:24:08 AM  

winedrinkingman: Sgt Otter: An Army Special Forces soldier recently back from Vietnam using ugly, brutal, and efficient practical martial arts held his own against a guy whose martial arts are primarily used for looking cool on camera.

This is an outrage.

Bruce Lee would have cleaned his clock.  Bruce didn't just do martial arts on camera, he was a world champion competition guy, if I remember correctly.  Yes the army and Army special forces teach a lot of brutal and efficient martial arts, but beating people with your firsts is not how the US Special Forces primarily fights wars.  They are more about using overwhelming firepower to subdue the enemy.  To them martial arts is something they occasionally practice, so that they can get out of a tight jam.  Bruce Lee was always practicing martial arts.  Even if most of his stuff was flashy nonsense, the practical stuff he knew would have given him the edge.


It's almost like what we see in the movies isn't how things work in the real world.
 
2019-10-19 10:28:54 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Mugato: Whatever you might think about the movie, this China shiat is not a good think for the industry.

Odds on China eventually getting tired of big dumb American movies and Hollywood being farked because the US moviegoers have abandoned them, too?


China will never tire of big, dumb movies.

Really dumb movies. These are idiots raised on propaganda. They can't handle the subtlety and nuance of dumb American action films. It's pathetic.
 
2019-10-19 10:44:34 AM  
Fark the Chinese government, say it loud
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2019-10-19 11:11:22 AM  
Bruce Lee was an arrogant dick.


Those of you spouting off like you know are REALLY annoying.
 
2019-10-19 11:14:36 AM  

winedrinkingman: Sgt Otter: An Army Special Forces soldier recently back from Vietnam using ugly, brutal, and efficient practical martial arts held his own against a guy whose martial arts are primarily used for looking cool on camera.

This is an outrage.

Bruce Lee would have cleaned his clock.  Bruce didn't just do martial arts on camera, he was a world champion competition guy, if I remember correctly.  Yes the army and Army special forces teach a lot of brutal and efficient martial arts, but beating people with your firsts is not how the US Special Forces primarily fights wars.  They are more about using overwhelming firepower to subdue the enemy.  To them martial arts is something they occasionally practice, so that they can get out of a tight jam.  Bruce Lee was always practicing martial arts.  Even if most of his stuff was flashy nonsense, the practical stuff he knew would have given him the edge.


I've seen a lot of guys who haven't trained a particular martial art kick the crap out of lifetime martial artist in the UFC.  How many Kung Fu martial artists are UFC champions?
 
2019-10-19 11:21:29 AM  

winedrinkingman: Sgt Otter: An Army Special Forces soldier recently back from Vietnam using ugly, brutal, and efficient practical martial arts held his own against a guy whose martial arts are primarily used for looking cool on camera.

This is an outrage.

Bruce Lee would have cleaned his clock.  Bruce didn't just do martial arts on camera, he was a world champion competition guy, if I remember correctly.  Yes the army and Army special forces teach a lot of brutal and efficient martial arts, but beating people with your firsts is not how the US Special Forces primarily fights wars.  They are more about using overwhelming firepower to subdue the enemy.  To them martial arts is something they occasionally practice, so that they can get out of a tight jam.  Bruce Lee was always practicing martial arts.  Even if most of his stuff was flashy nonsense, the practical stuff he knew would have given him the edge.


Bruce would indeed likely have cleaned a stuntsman's clock - withut martial arts, they aren't going to test someone who is. He wasn't a champion of anything in martial arts though - high schools champion at boxing as a kid, or HK cha-cha champ in his teens only. The martial arts he prefered was 'the real shiat' (my expression), and included jabbing the eyes, groin kicks, even biting (though that was mentioned and shown in one fight on film, iirc, I have doubts that he would have done it in real life; but it is interesting the kind of barbarity he thought would be involved in a real fight).

It's kind of detrimental to his true martial arts prowess that he was so much thought of in TV and film terms, and most people perceive what they see in them as his real fighting skill. It isn't. There are flashes, of course, of what Bruce can do, but a lot of the jumping around, spinning shiat, wasn't what he was training in real life for. In reality, he was much more direct in that - his whole martial arts concept, JKD, was based on that directness of action, to take your opponent out as quickly as possible without unnessary bullshiat found in most martial arts. For the movies, it was mostly flashy shiat that looked great on the screen but as mentioned above, he would have taken your eyes out to open the attack rather than do flips, or pull out his nunchucks.

Anyway, writing about this doing the man a disservice. Watch his technique here, as I said, there are flashes of what he was great at in film, and they are fascinating to watch and dissect. Any martial arts - and Farker - without ego would recognise this guy was for real in terms of martial arts skill, even from a choreographed persective. By all accounts, he was even faster and more skilled in real life. That's not only impressive, but damn impressive.

Bruce Lee's Unnoticed Movements
Youtube cWj-zU8koes
 
2019-10-19 11:25:08 AM  

fastfxr: Bruce Lee was an arrogant dick.


Those of you spouting off like you know are REALLY annoying.


Oh, and YOU knew him? Dafuq outta my face with that bullshiat. Tarantino distespected a dead man's daughter.
 
2019-10-19 11:27:42 AM  
Sorry for all the typos in the above post. Here's another great breakdown using the only surviving colour footage of him sparring. The guy doing the breakdown is a well known analysis of boxing and martial arts, so well respected in fact, he's the guy Kenny Florian ripped off without credit in one of his articles and got caught and had to apologise to.

How Good Really was Bruce Lee? | Real Sparring Analysis
Youtube _5KBnA-2NBg
 
2019-10-19 11:33:34 AM  

JolobinSmokin: winedrinkingman: Sgt Otter: An Army Special Forces soldier recently back from Vietnam using ugly, brutal, and efficient practical martial arts held his own against a guy whose martial arts are primarily used for looking cool on camera.

This is an outrage.

Bruce Lee would have cleaned his clock.  Bruce didn't just do martial arts on camera, he was a world champion competition guy, if I remember correctly.  Yes the army and Army special forces teach a lot of brutal and efficient martial arts, but beating people with your firsts is not how the US Special Forces primarily fights wars.  They are more about using overwhelming firepower to subdue the enemy.  To them martial arts is something they occasionally practice, so that they can get out of a tight jam.  Bruce Lee was always practicing martial arts.  Even if most of his stuff was flashy nonsense, the practical stuff he knew would have given him the edge.

I've seen a lot of guys who haven't trained a particular martial art kick the crap out of lifetime martial artist in the UFC.  How many Kung Fu martial artists are UFC champions?


Strange logic you got there, bud. How many guys who haven't trained a particular martial art are UFC champions?

Anyway, MMA is a sport. It's not 'real' fighting. And this recurring idea of Bruce in the Octagon is pure fantasy, and somewhat silly. Bruce's martial arts was developing in the 60s and 70s. That's 40 to 50 years ago. Think about that.
 
2019-10-19 11:39:52 AM  

GungFu: JolobinSmokin: winedrinkingman: Sgt Otter: An Army Special Forces soldier recently back from Vietnam using ugly, brutal, and efficient practical martial arts held his own against a guy whose martial arts are primarily used for looking cool on camera.

This is an outrage.

Bruce Lee would have cleaned his clock.  Bruce didn't just do martial arts on camera, he was a world champion competition guy, if I remember correctly.  Yes the army and Army special forces teach a lot of brutal and efficient martial arts, but beating people with your firsts is not how the US Special Forces primarily fights wars.  They are more about using overwhelming firepower to subdue the enemy.  To them martial arts is something they occasionally practice, so that they can get out of a tight jam.  Bruce Lee was always practicing martial arts.  Even if most of his stuff was flashy nonsense, the practical stuff he knew would have given him the edge.

I've seen a lot of guys who haven't trained a particular martial art kick the crap out of lifetime martial artist in the UFC.  How many Kung Fu martial artists are UFC champions?

Strange logic you got there, bud. How many guys who haven't trained a particular martial art are UFC champions?

Anyway, MMA is a sport. It's not 'real' fighting. And this recurring idea of Bruce in the Octagon is pure fantasy, and somewhat silly. Bruce's martial arts was developing in the 60s and 70s. That's 40 to 50 years ago. Think about that.


It appears I have been watching mixed martial arts much longer than you.  And you're the first person to ever downplay fighting in the octagon to me, so congrats.
 
2019-10-19 11:40:03 AM  

Bslim: fastfxr: Bruce Lee was an arrogant dick.


Those of you spouting off like you know are REALLY annoying.

Oh, and YOU knew him? Dafuq outta my face with that bullshiat. Tarantino distespected a dead man's daughter.


We're all some dead persons k8d in the grand scheme.

Your appeal to decency is hard to care sbout when she's all grown up and making headlines and dick moves of her own.

But.... you already knew that
 
2019-10-19 11:44:28 AM  

fastfxr: Bruce Lee was an arrogant dick.


Those of you spouting off like you know are REALLY annoying.


welcome to FARK?
 
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