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2019-10-12 6:35:40 PM  

UNC_Samurai: FlashHarry: In before a certain Farker white-knights her...

Which one?  There's already one zombie troll in here pimping her.


Not phygz. Once you see a post, you'll know.
 
2019-10-12 6:36:42 PM  

FlashHarry: In before a certain Farker white-knights her...


Too late
 
2019-10-12 6:43:51 PM  

GardenWeasel: Obvious useful tool is obvious.


OBVIOUS TOOL IS OBVIOUSLY IN THE ARMY!!!
 
2019-10-12 6:44:51 PM  

mrshowrules: I don't like Gabbard.  I hope she loses and drops out soon.  However, this:

"Richard B. Spencer, the white nationalist leader, says he could vote for her."

Is just bullshiat stunts nazis do/say to get media time and see relevant.  Don't take the bait.


For it being a stunt she's pulled a lot of support from the neoconfederate and Nazi factions over the years.
 
2019-10-12 6:45:27 PM  

Corydon: Marcus Aurelius: As has been said before, she's the new Jill Stein.  She's being funded by the Russians to siphon votes from the Democrats.

How the heck does this logic even work? She's running in the Democratic primary, not in the general election as a third party candidate. She's not siphoning votes from anyone.

I'm frankly a bit surprised that an anti-war Democrat (like a certain past senator from Illinois used to be) apparently is a Russian stooge rather than a great patriot now that Trump is the face of the GOP instead of GWB.

In any case, her campaign is going nowhere. If she's backed by Russian resources, they're not getting much return on their investment.


There is talk to get her in a Dem administration.
 
2019-10-12 6:46:53 PM  

holdmybones: Naido: holdmybones: I see one critical weak point to this plan.

Nobody on the left likes her. Her support (financial and otherwise) comes from the right/Russia/what's the f*cking difference.

I know at least 2 actual liberals (as in I've known them for 20 years) who have her on their short list, though she's in 3rd place for both.  There really are longtime liberals who are isolationists, it used to be a pretty standard liberal position, and prioritized drug decriminalization, another pretty standard liberal belief.  A lot of liberals have turned against isolationism merely because Trump is *for* it.  But a lot of, again, longtime liberals have always believed that *any* intervention in the Middle East is a proxy conflict for the oil-grabbers.  There's a significant market for this and most candidates aren't courting it

Full disclosure, my mom actually liked her at first. My mom is definitely moderate dem, and probably puts too much stock in appearance. I sent her a few articles and hinted at her being Stein2.0 and she seems to have cooled on it.

Other than her and the trolls around here, I've never heard anyone speak of her irl.


She has ads running on FARK.
 
2019-10-12 6:50:23 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: holdmybones: Naido: holdmybones: I see one critical weak point to this plan.

Nobody on the left likes her. Her support (financial and otherwise) comes from the right/Russia/what's the f*cking difference.

I know at least 2 actual liberals (as in I've known them for 20 years) who have her on their short list, though she's in 3rd place for both.  There really are longtime liberals who are isolationists, it used to be a pretty standard liberal position, and prioritized drug decriminalization, another pretty standard liberal belief.  A lot of liberals have turned against isolationism merely because Trump is *for* it.  But a lot of, again, longtime liberals have always believed that *any* intervention in the Middle East is a proxy conflict for the oil-grabbers.  There's a significant market for this and most candidates aren't courting it

Full disclosure, my mom actually liked her at first. My mom is definitely moderate dem, and probably puts too much stock in appearance. I sent her a few articles and hinted at her being Stein2.0 and she seems to have cooled on it.

Other than her and the trolls around here, I've never heard anyone speak of her irl.

She has ads running on FARK.


She does??  I'd think you'd have to be raising a lot money than she is to see it as worthwhile to target the 500 people hanging out here.
 
2019-10-12 7:04:18 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: As has been said before, she's the new Jill Stein.  She's being funded by the Russians to siphon votes from the Democrats.


citationneeded.jpg
 
2019-10-12 7:05:28 PM  

Corydon: Marcus Aurelius: As has been said before, she's the new Jill Stein.  She's being funded by the Russians to siphon votes from the Democrats.

How the heck does this logic even work? She's running in the Democratic primary, not in the general election as a third party candidate. She's not siphoning votes from anyone.

I'm frankly a bit surprised that an anti-war Democrat (like a certain past senator from Illinois used to be) apparently is a Russian stooge rather than a great patriot now that Trump is the face of the GOP instead of GWB.

In any case, her campaign is going nowhere. If she's backed by Russian resources, they're not getting much return on their investment.


Obama was anti stupid war, not pure antiwar. He increased troop levels in Afghanistan when he came into office.
 
2019-10-12 7:15:39 PM  

dsmith42: Obama was anti stupid war


Syria.
 
2019-10-12 7:27:27 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Corydon: Marcus Aurelius: As has been said before, she's the new Jill Stein.  She's being funded by the Russians to siphon votes from the Democrats.

How the heck does this logic even work? She's running in the Democratic primary, not in the general election as a third party candidate. She's not siphoning votes from anyone.

I'm frankly a bit surprised that an anti-war Democrat (like a certain past senator from Illinois used to be) apparently is a Russian stooge rather than a great patriot now that Trump is the face of the GOP instead of GWB.

In any case, her campaign is going nowhere. If she's backed by Russian resources, they're not getting much return on their investment.

There is talk to get her in a Dem administration.


No fooling, that's not a bad idea.

She'd probably be a good secretary of the VA.
 
2019-10-12 7:30:22 PM  

Naido: RussianPotato: And what's wrong with Borscht?  It's a fantastic soup that is rich in flavor and very satisfying.

Username checks out.

A Russian lady made one for a work get-together once and it was godawful.  I've forced down a lot of lousy food in the name of being polite, but that was one of the worst


With a sample size of one, by all means assume it's all bad.

Maybe a bad batch. Maybe you have burned out all your taste buds. Maybe try Mennonite borscht. Dill makes everything better.
 
2019-10-12 7:30:34 PM  

Corydon: Marcus Aurelius: As has been said before, she's the new Jill Stein.  She's being funded by the Russians to siphon votes from the Democrats.

How the heck does this logic even work? She's running in the Democratic primary, not in the general election as a third party candidate. She's not siphoning votes from anyone.

I'm frankly a bit surprised that an anti-war Democrat (like a certain past senator from Illinois used to be) apparently is a Russian stooge rather than a great patriot now that Trump is the face of the GOP instead of GWB.

In any case, her campaign is going nowhere. If she's backed by Russian resources, they're not getting much return on their investment.


"I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war."[2]
 
2019-10-12 7:35:44 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: holdmybones: Naido: holdmybones: I see one critical weak point to this plan.

Nobody on the left likes her. Her support (financial and otherwise) comes from the right/Russia/what's the f*cking difference.

I know at least 2 actual liberals (as in I've known them for 20 years) who have her on their short list, though she's in 3rd place for both.  There really are longtime liberals who are isolationists, it used to be a pretty standard liberal position, and prioritized drug decriminalization, another pretty standard liberal belief.  A lot of liberals have turned against isolationism merely because Trump is *for* it.  But a lot of, again, longtime liberals have always believed that *any* intervention in the Middle East is a proxy conflict for the oil-grabbers.  There's a significant market for this and most candidates aren't courting it

Full disclosure, my mom actually liked her at first. My mom is definitely moderate dem, and probably puts too much stock in appearance. I sent her a few articles and hinted at her being Stein2.0 and she seems to have cooled on it.

Other than her and the trolls around here, I've never heard anyone speak of her irl.

She has ads running on FARK.


There are no trolls ads on Fark.
 
2019-10-12 7:45:37 PM  

andrewagill: GreatGlavinsGhost: Corydon: Marcus Aurelius: As has been said before, she's the new Jill Stein.  She's being funded by the Russians to siphon votes from the Democrats.

How the heck does this logic even work? She's running in the Democratic primary, not in the general election as a third party candidate. She's not siphoning votes from anyone.

I'm frankly a bit surprised that an anti-war Democrat (like a certain past senator from Illinois used to be) apparently is a Russian stooge rather than a great patriot now that Trump is the face of the GOP instead of GWB.

In any case, her campaign is going nowhere. If she's backed by Russian resources, they're not getting much return on their investment.

There is talk to get her in a Dem administration.

No fooling, that's not a bad idea.

She'd probably be a good secretary of the VA.


lol

No she wouldn't. VA should be Duckworth.
 
2019-10-12 7:46:36 PM  

Befuddled: Does anyone know how her antics are playing in Hawaii? Is she flying under the radar there so there's zero chance of a primary challenger? Because she really should be voted out of office.


Apparently a Hawaii state senator named Kai Kahele has his eyes on her seat is planning to primary her.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kai-ka​h​ele-tulsi-gabbard-hawaii-2020_n_5d9503​dbe4b0f5bf796ea5c8
 
2019-10-12 7:47:22 PM  

BitwiseShift: Spenser, Bannon, Ron Paul, and Graham in the opening paragraph.  What -- was Satan too busy to return the phone call?


Off topic, but my favorite depictions of both Satan and Yahweh in fiction is in "Job: A Comedy of Justice" by Heinlein.
 
2019-10-12 7:50:38 PM  

Garza and the Supermutants: while others worry about supportive signs from online bot activity and the Russian news media.

Or we just mark them in Red 1 and mock them relentlessly.


That's why I have this:

i.imgur.comView Full Size


readily available. Especially for the one post then vanish guys.
 
2019-10-12 8:00:20 PM  

TomTudbury: Garza and the Supermutants: while others worry about supportive signs from online bot activity and the Russian news media.

Or we just mark them in Red 1 and mock them relentlessly.

That's why I have this:

[i.imgur.com image 850x982]

readily available. Especially for the one post then vanish guys.


That's awesome.  Is it wrong that I'm actually sort of in awe of the chimney-shiatter?  That's some serious prank effort
 
2019-10-12 8:06:03 PM  

Naido: TomTudbury: Garza and the Supermutants: while others worry about supportive signs from online bot activity and the Russian news media.

Or we just mark them in Red 1 and mock them relentlessly.

That's why I have this:

[i.imgur.com image 850x982]

readily available. Especially for the one post then vanish guys.

That's awesome.  Is it wrong that I'm actually sort of in awe of the chimney-shiatter?  That's some serious prank effort


Could you imagine climbing up there with a turd prairie dogging you the whole time?
 
2019-10-12 8:12:27 PM  

TomTudbury: Naido: TomTudbury: Garza and the Supermutants: while others worry about supportive signs from online bot activity and the Russian news media.

Or we just mark them in Red 1 and mock them relentlessly.

That's why I have this:

[i.imgur.com image 850x982]

readily available. Especially for the one post then vanish guys.

That's awesome.  Is it wrong that I'm actually sort of in awe of the chimney-shiatter?  That's some serious prank effort

Could you imagine climbing up there with a turd prairie dogging you the whole time?


No doubt.  But it was either that or get up there and spend significant time coaxing out something that lacked immediately, which would increase the risk.  Truly this guy is a world class prankster.  I hope they caught him, and congratulated him
 
2019-10-12 8:17:47 PM  

Squid_for_Brains: She (or I should say, her cult leader and handlers) is not good at this. I honestly think she'd rather be surfing. There's not much to her. She was never given the freedom to develop a personality.

Her handlers are authoritarians and opportunists. They'll get nowhere running her as a Republican or an Independent. Dems are more likely to vote for a brown woman.

But her handlers also seem to think that, amongst Dems and maybe the world, women of color get an unfair advantage. That they're handed everything and can't be criticized. That they're somehow untouchable. They were banking on this, and much to their surprise, it's not working. Because these ideas are the fantasies of the privileged and aggrieved. They are not the thought processes  of progressives.

Tulsi is effectively the Black Friend of the alt-right.


username checks out

This thread is full of conjecture and light on qualified reasoning.
 
2019-10-12 8:28:30 PM  
Sorry I'm late. Does she stink on ice?
 
2019-10-12 8:45:32 PM  

Palined Parenthood: Sorry I'm late. Does she stink on ice?


If you swallow the DNC blue pill, she becomes a monster that does indeed emit a vociferous odor while chilled.
 
2019-10-12 8:49:13 PM  

Murkanen: mrshowrules: I don't like Gabbard.  I hope she loses and drops out soon.  However, this:

"Richard B. Spencer, the white nationalist leader, says he could vote for her."

Is just bullshiat stunts nazis do/say to get media time and see relevant.  Don't take the bait.

For it being a stunt she's pulled a lot of support from the neoconfederate and Nazi factions over the years.


did that really swing the vote for her in Hawaii?
 
2019-10-12 10:06:39 PM  
::: scans thread for pictures of Tulsi naked, leaves:::
 
2019-10-12 10:09:29 PM  
Holy shiat Batman.  Three years of red flagging suspected Russian shills has turned this thread as colorful as an Arizona sunset.  How strange it is to see you all posting at once.  Normally you guys make a post or two and head for the hills forever.

Until now.
 
2019-10-12 10:21:49 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: holdmybones: Naido: holdmybones: I see one critical weak point to this plan.

Nobody on the left likes her. Her support (financial and otherwise) comes from the right/Russia/what's the f*cking difference.

I know at least 2 actual liberals (as in I've known them for 20 years) who have her on their short list, though she's in 3rd place for both.  There really are longtime liberals who are isolationists, it used to be a pretty standard liberal position, and prioritized drug decriminalization, another pretty standard liberal belief.  A lot of liberals have turned against isolationism merely because Trump is *for* it.  But a lot of, again, longtime liberals have always believed that *any* intervention in the Middle East is a proxy conflict for the oil-grabbers.  There's a significant market for this and most candidates aren't courting it

Full disclosure, my mom actually liked her at first. My mom is definitely moderate dem, and probably puts too much stock in appearance. I sent her a few articles and hinted at her being Stein2.0 and she seems to have cooled on it.

Other than her and the trolls around here, I've never heard anyone speak of her irl.

She has ads running on FARK.


Outside of paid greenlights, I have not seen that because I pay for BareFark.  Not seeing ads is great, and I applaud Drew for giving us that in instead of having to pay for all that ToralFark nonsense.
 
2019-10-12 10:58:43 PM  

andrewagill: Marcus Aurelius: As has been said before, she's the new Jill Stein.  She's being funded by the Russians to siphon votes from the Democrats.

TBH I can't imagine any Dems who would vote for her if she ran third party anyway.


Her only supporters are from the alt-right, she'd take more votes from trump than any democrat
 
2019-10-12 11:39:14 PM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Holy shiat Batman.  Three years of red flagging suspected Russian shills has turned this thread as colorful as an Arizona sunset.  How strange it is to see you all posting at once.  Normally you guys make a post or two and head for the hills forever.

Until now.


Thanks for helping me update my "maroons who think Russia is under the bed" list
 
2019-10-13 12:27:50 AM  

Naido: GreatGlavinsGhost: holdmybones: Naido: holdmybones: I see one critical weak point to this plan.

Nobody on the left likes her. Her support (financial and otherwise) comes from the right/Russia/what's the f*cking difference.

I know at least 2 actual liberals (as in I've known them for 20 years) who have her on their short list, though she's in 3rd place for both.  There really are longtime liberals who are isolationists, it used to be a pretty standard liberal position, and prioritized drug decriminalization, another pretty standard liberal belief.  A lot of liberals have turned against isolationism merely because Trump is *for* it.  But a lot of, again, longtime liberals have always believed that *any* intervention in the Middle East is a proxy conflict for the oil-grabbers.  There's a significant market for this and most candidates aren't courting it

Full disclosure, my mom actually liked her at first. My mom is definitely moderate dem, and probably puts too much stock in appearance. I sent her a few articles and hinted at her being Stein2.0 and she seems to have cooled on it.

Other than her and the trolls around here, I've never heard anyone speak of her irl.

She has ads running on FARK.

She does??  I'd think you'd have to be raising a lot money than she is to see it as worthwhile to target the 500 people hanging out here.


Here ya go, grabbed just a minute ago:
Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2019-10-13 12:29:53 AM  
I mean, seriously, it's not difficult to see that the biggest Gabbard boosters are the same people who struggle to find a place to air their views since 8chan went offline and The_Donald was quarantined.

It's just a shame they don't get that everyone else has that figured out.
 
2019-10-13 1:02:22 AM  

mrshowrules: Murkanen: mrshowrules: I don't like Gabbard.  I hope she loses and drops out soon.  However, this:

"Richard B. Spencer, the white nationalist leader, says he could vote for her."

Is just bullshiat stunts nazis do/say to get media time and see relevant.  Don't take the bait.

For it being a stunt she's pulled a lot of support from the neoconfederate and Nazi factions over the years.

did that really swing the vote for her in Hawaii?


The only thing that swung the vote for her in Hawaii was changing her party registration from Republican to Democrat.
 
2019-10-13 1:54:11 AM  

phygz: backhand.slap.of.reason: Holy shiat Batman.  Three years of red flagging suspected Russian shills has turned this thread as colorful as an Arizona sunset.  How strange it is to see you all posting at once.  Normally you guys make a post or two and head for the hills forever.

Until now.

Thanks for helping me update my "maroons who think Russia is under the bed" list


No worries.  Your sorry задница was on mine already.
 
2019-10-13 1:58:56 AM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: phygz: backhand.slap.of.reason: Holy shiat Batman.  Three years of red flagging suspected Russian shills has turned this thread as colorful as an Arizona sunset.  How strange it is to see you all posting at once.  Normally you guys make a post or two and head for the hills forever.

Until now.

Thanks for helping me update my "maroons who think Russia is under the bed" list

No worries.  Your sorry задница was on mine already.


So you think people are being paid by Russia  to influence public opinion by commenting on Fark?
 
2019-10-13 2:01:08 AM  

Murkanen: mrshowrules: Murkanen: mrshowrules: I don't like Gabbard.  I hope she loses and drops out soon.  However, this:

"Richard B. Spencer, the white nationalist leader, says he could vote for her."

Is just bullshiat stunts nazis do/say to get media time and see relevant.  Don't take the bait.

For it being a stunt she's pulled a lot of support from the neoconfederate and Nazi factions over the years.

did that really swing the vote for her in Hawaii?

The only thing that swung the vote for her in Hawaii was changing her party registration from Republican to Democrat.


Per Wikipedia, she won a primary against 5 Democrats.  They say that people were skeptical toward her changing her tune on gay marriage, but they voted for her anyway.  My guess is that being an attractive, young veteran was helpful

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_​U​nited_States_House_of_Representatives_​elections_in_Hawaii
 
2019-10-13 8:53:33 AM  

Naido: backhand.slap.of.reason: phygz: backhand.slap.of.reason: Holy shiat Batman.  Three years of red flagging suspected Russian shills has turned this thread as colorful as an Arizona sunset.  How strange it is to see you all posting at once.  Normally you guys make a post or two and head for the hills forever.

Until now.

Thanks for helping me update my "maroons who think Russia is under the bed" list

No worries.  Your sorry задница was on mine already.

So you think people are being paid by Russia  to influence public opinion by commenting on Fark?


I think people like phlegm are pretending to be idiots and shills on Fark, because they think it's cute.  And at this point on the internet, if you're going to act like a ratfarker you should be treated as one.
 
2019-10-13 9:15:41 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Naido: backhand.slap.of.reason: phygz: backhand.slap.of.reason: Holy shiat Batman.  Three years of red flagging suspected Russian shills has turned this thread as colorful as an Arizona sunset.  How strange it is to see you all posting at once.  Normally you guys make a post or two and head for the hills forever.

Until now.

Thanks for helping me update my "maroons who think Russia is under the bed" list

No worries.  Your sorry задница was on mine already.

So you think people are being paid by Russia  to influence public opinion by commenting on Fark?

I think people like phlegm are pretending to be idiots and shills on Fark, because they think it's cute.  And at this point on the internet, if you're going to act like a ratfarker you should be treated as one.


You're absolutely adorable. And as incorrect a anyone else who thinks Russia is hiding under the bed.
 
2019-10-13 9:21:39 AM  

Murkanen: mrshowrules: Murkanen: mrshowrules: I don't like Gabbard.  I hope she loses and drops out soon.  However, this:

"Richard B. Spencer, the white nationalist leader, says he could vote for her."

Is just bullshiat stunts nazis do/say to get media time and see relevant.  Don't take the bait.

For it being a stunt she's pulled a lot of support from the neoconfederate and Nazi factions over the years.

did that really swing the vote for her in Hawaii?

The only thing that swung the vote for her in Hawaii was changing her party registration from Republican to Democrat.


That's fair and for the record - I really don't like her.
 
2019-10-13 1:46:04 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: andrewagill: GreatGlavinsGhost: Corydon: Marcus Aurelius: As has been said before, she's the new Jill Stein.  She's being funded by the Russians to siphon votes from the Democrats.

How the heck does this logic even work? She's running in the Democratic primary, not in the general election as a third party candidate. She's not siphoning votes from anyone.

I'm frankly a bit surprised that an anti-war Democrat (like a certain past senator from Illinois used to be) apparently is a Russian stooge rather than a great patriot now that Trump is the face of the GOP instead of GWB.

In any case, her campaign is going nowhere. If she's backed by Russian resources, they're not getting much return on their investment.

There is talk to get her in a Dem administration.

No fooling, that's not a bad idea.

She'd probably be a good secretary of the VA.

lol

No she wouldn't. VA should be Duckworth.


Fair enough.  Maybe Under Secretary of Veterans Affairs for Memorial Affairs?  You want to bring her in so that she isn't outside the administration criticising it, and you want to give her a job that sounds really important so that she can't publicly refuse it.
 
2019-10-14 3:31:34 AM  

andrewagill: GreatGlavinsGhost: andrewagill: GreatGlavinsGhost: Corydon: Marcus Aurelius: As has been said before, she's the new Jill Stein.  She's being funded by the Russians to siphon votes from the Democrats.

How the heck does this logic even work? She's running in the Democratic primary, not in the general election as a third party candidate. She's not siphoning votes from anyone.

I'm frankly a bit surprised that an anti-war Democrat (like a certain past senator from Illinois used to be) apparently is a Russian stooge rather than a great patriot now that Trump is the face of the GOP instead of GWB.

In any case, her campaign is going nowhere. If she's backed by Russian resources, they're not getting much return on their investment.

There is talk to get her in a Dem administration.

No fooling, that's not a bad idea.

She'd probably be a good secretary of the VA.

lol

No she wouldn't. VA should be Duckworth.

Fair enough.  Maybe Under Secretary of Veterans Affairs for Memorial Affairs?  You want to bring her in so that she isn't outside the administration criticising it, and you want to give her a job that sounds really important so that she can't publicly refuse it.


No.

You want to keep her and her cult as far from the White House as possible.
 
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