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(Newsweek)   And then there were 20. Rochester becomes 20th US Catholic diocese to file for bankruptcy due to not being able to pay abuse victims   (newsweek.com) divider line
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2019-10-12 09:21:02 AM  
The thing that amazes me with this is seeing the groups  once considered essentially untouchable break. If somebody said they were going to report a problem to the diocese, that was treated like it was being sent directly to the Vatican when I was going to Catholic school as a kid. The bishop was treated as something borderline ethereal.

Seeing an archdiocese have to go bankrupt is amazing. That's the group that covers an entire state, and they have an incredible amount of resources.
 
2019-10-12 09:23:24 AM  
Boo. Farking. Hoo
 
2019-10-12 09:26:08 AM  
They're not declaring bankruptcy because they can't pay.  They're filing bankruptcy because they refuse to pay.
 
2019-10-12 09:39:22 AM  
What is wrong with a picture where no tax is paid and bankruptcy is protecting the castle?
 
2019-10-12 10:22:18 AM  
Surely they have some golden idols they could sell.
 
2019-10-12 10:38:39 AM  

grokca: Surely they have some golden idols they could sell.


The churches themselves should become the property of the victims.  Let them do what the f$ck they want with them or parishioners can pay rent until the debt is repaid.

Whatever can't be repaid should be collected from Rome itself or they forfeit their tax exemption status in the US because they are no longer operating as a true non-for-profit organization because they are shield profits given to an international corporation.
 
2019-10-12 10:46:28 AM  
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2019-10-12 10:49:04 AM  

mrshowrules: grokca: Surely they have some golden idols they could sell.

The churches themselves should become the property of the victims.  Let them do what the f$ck they want with them or parishioners can pay rent until the debt is repaid.

Whatever can't be repaid should be collected from Rome itself or they forfeit their tax exemption status in the US because they are no longer operating as a true non-for-profit organization because they are shield profits given to an international corporation.


Sounds fair.
 
2019-10-12 11:01:08 AM  
It's almost like not reporting crimes and attempting to cover them up is bad for business. At least this part of the system isn't failing... yet.
 
2019-10-12 11:31:26 AM  
"Let us pray.  Suffer the little children to come.... ah, f*ck it!  Get me a bankruptcy lawyer."
 
2019-10-12 11:47:57 AM  
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2019-10-12 12:06:24 PM  
Good. fark 'em.

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2019-10-12 12:06:29 PM  
We rape children, don't pay taxes, hide behind "forgiveness" and firmly believe we are holier than thou.

And yes, we're Trumpers
 
2019-10-12 12:07:11 PM  
Try passing that offering plate around on the interwebs. Good luck.
 
2019-10-12 12:07:57 PM  
If only there were some sort of umbrella parent organization which has been amassing wealth for centuries...
 
2019-10-12 12:10:36 PM  
Thoughts and prayers.
 
2019-10-12 12:11:51 PM  

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2019-10-12 12:13:47 PM  
Sieze their farking assets and auction their property off from the courthouse steps like you would with any other group of criminals.

Every dime these guys own comes from lying to and exploiting vulnerable people.  I only wish the hell they preach about was real so that every one of them could burn there for eternity.
 
2019-10-12 12:14:04 PM  
My Aunt is a nun in that Diocese. I wonder what happens? Do they take away her convent, or is her Order seperate?

Hmm, gonna send off an email, brb.
 
2019-10-12 12:15:14 PM  
My heart bleeds

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2019-10-12 12:16:38 PM  
Think maybe they should have thought of that before they started raping children?
 
2019-10-12 12:17:00 PM  
I'm still waiting and wondering when the shiat is going to hit the fan for the Jehovah's Witnesses. I've heard they have a major, major problem with sexual abuse, but has been litigating every case in court to try and fend off compensation claims.
 
2019-10-12 12:17:20 PM  
This might seem a win, yet it feels more like underhanded vatican plays. Namely the vatican is still solvent and has always kept the diocese(s?) nearly broke, siphoning much the wealth back to rome.

/ I could be wrong, things may have changed.
// and who knows maybe rome will be forced to pay out, the conspiracy certainly went all the way to the top.
 
2019-10-12 12:17:49 PM  
right at the end of TFA

"A bankruptcy filing does come with some drawbacks for victims: All civil suits against the diocese would be halted and merged into the bankruptcy proceedings, making the victims creditors.
The "discovery" phase of those suits, when evidence is brought forward, is stopped. As a result the full extent of the wrongdoing the diocese is accused of, and the total number of victims, may not become public."


How convenient.
 
2019-10-12 12:19:26 PM  

winedrinkingman: Sieze their farking assets and auction their property off from the courthouse steps like you would with any other group of criminals.

Every dime these guys own comes from lying to and exploiting vulnerable people.  I only wish the hell they preach about was real so that every one of them could burn there for eternity.


Point of order...my aunt is probably the most kind and decent person I know. She's spent her life serving others with compassion and humor, as all of her fellow sisters I know. The previous Bishop of Rochester, Matthew Clark, was also a genuinely kind and decent person, and good friends with my aunt. He does all our family weddings and funerals.

Let's hold those responsible, responsible, and vilify them, but punishing those who are actually doing good helps no one.
 
2019-10-12 12:20:52 PM  

SharkInfested: My Aunt is a nun in that Diocese. I wonder what happens? Do they take away her convent, or is her Order seperate?

Hmm, gonna send off an email, brb.


Did she get a pre-nup?
 
2019-10-12 12:23:42 PM  
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That would make one hell of a dance club.
 
2019-10-12 12:25:36 PM  
The dioceses in the United States are very wealthy. Why can't the courts take diocese property and sell them off to pay the victims?
 
2019-10-12 12:30:42 PM  

SharkInfested: winedrinkingman: Sieze their farking assets and auction their property off from the courthouse steps like you would with any other group of criminals.

Every dime these guys own comes from lying to and exploiting vulnerable people.  I only wish the hell they preach about was real so that every one of them could burn there for eternity.

Point of order...my aunt is probably the most kind and decent person I know. She's spent her life serving others with compassion and humor, as all of her fellow sisters I know. The previous Bishop of Rochester, Matthew Clark, was also a genuinely kind and decent person, and good friends with my aunt. He does all our family weddings and funerals.

Let's hold those responsible, responsible, and vilify them, but punishing those who are actually doing good helps no one.


There is a saying about good deeds.
If only I could remember it.
 
2019-10-12 12:32:50 PM  

Xzano: maybe rome will be forced to pay out, the conspiracy certainly went all the way to the top


I share your hope, but American churches are incorporated as domestic nonprofit corporations, making them technically separate from the Vatican, which legally speaking is categorized as a foreign nation.

So, there's very little way for Rome to be held directly legally accountable for its churches, except bringing all of their asses to the Hague and prosecuting them for international war crimes.

And as other Farkers have noted, bankruptcy protects the physical assets that the church accumulated over the years and stops discovery, so this is not the good news that it would seem to be at first.

This is just another tactic that the Roman Catholic Church uses to force people to accept financial payouts and shut up.
 
2019-10-12 12:33:40 PM  

SharkInfested: My Aunt is a nun in that Diocese. I wonder what happens? Do they take away her convent, or is her Order seperate?

Hmm, gonna send off an email, brb.


She's stripped of her habit.
 
2019-10-12 12:34:43 PM  
Funny how a biz that can't pay its promised pensions, or a church getting sued for abuse can hide behind bankruptcy but an out-of-work guy living off credit cards? He'll be picked clean

/not funny, sad
 
2019-10-12 12:35:19 PM  

snocone: SharkInfested: winedrinkingman: Sieze their farking assets and auction their property off from the courthouse steps like you would with any other group of criminals.

Every dime these guys own comes from lying to and exploiting vulnerable people.  I only wish the hell they preach about was real so that every one of them could burn there for eternity.

Point of order...my aunt is probably the most kind and decent person I know. She's spent her life serving others with compassion and humor, as all of her fellow sisters I know. The previous Bishop of Rochester, Matthew Clark, was also a genuinely kind and decent person, and good friends with my aunt. He does all our family weddings and funerals.

Let's hold those responsible, responsible, and vilify them, but punishing those who are actually doing good helps no one.

There is a saying about good deeds.
If only I could remember it.


They are done dirt cheap? shiat, that's dirty deeds.
 
2019-10-12 12:35:58 PM  
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Nobody dropping hunnies in the pass the around basket.  Bishop, please.
 
2019-10-12 12:37:06 PM  
Victim advocates throughout the state of New York have been begging the dioceses to not do this for months, as it will deny victims the chance to be heard. This has been coming, however, since NYS implemented the Child Victim Act, which effectively dismissed the Statute of Limitations in cases of this nature.

Long story short? F*ck the Church twice as hard for their cowardice. The only way you can hurt them is through their pockets and they have taken every opportunity possible to protect their coffers at the expense of damaged lives, psyches and families.

There are not enough Hail Marys, Our Fathers or Acts of Contrition to wipe this clean.
 
2019-10-12 12:38:42 PM  
RICO the Vatican.
 
2019-10-12 12:40:00 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: They're not declaring bankruptcy because they can't pay.  They're filing bankruptcy because they refuse to pay.


THIS

Resources have been moved within the organization now, time to let this tiny little portion of a giant multinational test the waters and see what it can get away with in terms of avoiding accountability for its crimes.
 
2019-10-12 12:42:06 PM  
And nothing of value was lost.
 
2019-10-12 12:43:12 PM  
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2019-10-12 12:44:11 PM  

Gubbo: Boo. Farking. Hoo


Bankrupt all of them.

/ posting this from the cathedral of Segovia so getting a kick, etc
 
2019-10-12 12:44:43 PM  

SharkInfested: winedrinkingman: Sieze their farking assets and auction their property off from the courthouse steps like you would with any other group of criminals.

Every dime these guys own comes from lying to and exploiting vulnerable people.  I only wish the hell they preach about was real so that every one of them could burn there for eternity.

Point of order...my aunt is probably the most kind and decent person I know. She's spent her life serving others with compassion and humor, as all of her fellow sisters I know. The previous Bishop of Rochester, Matthew Clark, was also a genuinely kind and decent person, and good friends with my aunt. He does all our family weddings and funerals.

Let's hold those responsible, responsible, and vilify them, but punishing those who are actually doing good helps no one.


Counterpoint: the Trump Family Charities. They exist. So that means everything else that family is doing is fine and dandy?

I guarantee you the former Bishop of Rochester participated in the shuffling of pedophile priests. It was corporate policy. But that aside, and I say this as a former monastic Observer, the entire thing is corrupt top-to-bottom. There are good individuals in the Catholic Church, yes. But good individuals do not make an evil entity acceptable.
 
2019-10-12 12:44:53 PM  

grokca: Surely they have some golden idols they could sell.


Been to Spain?

Found all the gold that got looted from the Americas...
 
2019-10-12 12:45:28 PM  

AeAe: The dioceses in the United States are very wealthy. Why can't the courts take diocese property and sell them off to pay the victims?


Because it's God's house. That's why they won't. I sincerely wish I were joking.
 
2019-10-12 12:48:57 PM  
Not sure why this is in politics, it should be in a new tab called "oh fark you assholes".
 
2019-10-12 12:55:01 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: They're not declaring bankruptcy because they can't pay.  They're filing bankruptcy because they refuse to pay.


Yeah this. The Catholic Church's national wealth is estimated at 30 billion, and I'd hazard a guess that's just the tip of the iceberg.
 
2019-10-12 12:57:09 PM  

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2019-10-12 12:57:22 PM  

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No, I think they used their own penis for that
 
2019-10-12 01:02:25 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: AeAe: The dioceses in the United States are very wealthy. Why can't the courts take diocese property and sell them off to pay the victims?

Because it's God's house. That's why they won't. I sincerely wish I were joking.


That's b.s. of course. There are real victims here.
 
2019-10-12 01:04:39 PM  
You ever want to crush a christian? Ask him to explain child molestation. Then when they say "free will", ask them how their supposedly noble and all loving god can allow little children to be hurt like that. Almost always shuts them the fark up.
 
2019-10-12 01:09:19 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: AeAe: The dioceses in the United States are very wealthy. Why can't the courts take diocese property and sell them off to pay the victims?

Because it's God's house. That's why they won't. I sincerely wish I were joking.


Well then God can come down and claim it. If he can't make it to stop the auction, or stand in front of the bulldozers I guess he really didn't care about this house to begin with.
 
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