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2019-10-12 04:31:19 PM  
The sun was there

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2019-10-12 04:33:50 PM  
You have to like how we have a Public Utility Commission in this state ... that has been completely usurped by revolving-door lobbyists. What was supposed to be a buffer of politicians and experts to protect us from scumbag corporate asshats has become the protection for scumbag corporate asshats. The PUC has allowed PG&E to run roughshod over customers. The PUC is also in charge of Internet and is currently being run by a former lobbyist for Comcast. Thus California is now suffering third-world power outages and our Internet, except for 'Frisco and parts of the Bay Area, is slower than parts of the Midwest. This has NOTHING to do with "Liberals" or "gays" or "hippies". This is what happens when the rich and powerful take over government and twist it into a monstrous ineffectual pariah.

/ Fark you, 'Frisco.
 
2019-10-12 04:37:54 PM  
Summary - I was inconvenienced.  Poor me.


Talk to a hurricane survivor.  Or better yet, prepare next time. There was more than a year's advance notice about the shut-offs happening.  1 point for not calling 911 to see when the power was coming back on.
 
2019-10-12 04:40:06 PM  
And then the murders began.
 
2019-10-12 04:40:23 PM  
I can't believe the Red Hot Chili Peppers haven't written a song about this yet.
 
2019-10-12 04:42:46 PM  

bigfire: Summary - I was inconvenienced.  Poor me.


Talk to a hurricane survivor.  Or better yet, prepare next time. There was more than a year's advance notice about the shut-offs happening.  1 point for not calling 911 to see when the power was coming back on.


That's what the article covered, yes - but it was all pretty wrapped up into, "If we don't change some shiat, this is going to become the new reality for everyone.  Y'all want that?"  I think you're you're perhaps not seeing the subject for the details.  I get where they're coming from, they have a point, and for many people the only way to make it real for them is to emphasize how farked up of a world they're going to end up with without some changes.  It's just an attempt to make it real for the hard of thinking
 
2019-10-12 04:46:20 PM  

bigfire: Summary - I was inconvenienced.  Poor me.


Talk to a hurricane survivor.  Or better yet, prepare next time. There was more than a year's advance notice about the shut-offs happening.  1 point for not calling 911 to see when the power was coming back on.


Hah, user name checks out!

I can't say I'd be as cheery and stalwart if my local power monopoly was pulling that sort of garbage and eating the 'inconviences' with a grin, I doubt you would either.
 
2019-10-12 04:47:40 PM  

CrazyCurt: You have to like how we have a Public Utility Commission in this state ... that has been completely usurped by revolving-door lobbyists. What was supposed to be a buffer of politicians and experts to protect us from scumbag corporate asshats has become the protection for scumbag corporate asshats. The PUC has allowed PG&E to run roughshod over customers. The PUC is also in charge of Internet and is currently being run by a former lobbyist for Comcast. Thus California is now suffering third-world power outages and our Internet, except for 'Frisco and parts of the Bay Area, is slower than parts of the Midwest. This has NOTHING to do with "Liberals" or "gays" or "hippies". This is what happens when the rich and powerful take over government and twist it into a monstrous ineffectual pariah.

/ Fark you, 'Frisco.


No one from California calls it Frisco.
 
2019-10-12 04:49:00 PM  

lymond01: CrazyCurt: You have to like how we have a Public Utility Commission in this state ... that has been completely usurped by revolving-door lobbyists. What was supposed to be a buffer of politicians and experts to protect us from scumbag corporate asshats has become the protection for scumbag corporate asshats. The PUC has allowed PG&E to run roughshod over customers. The PUC is also in charge of Internet and is currently being run by a former lobbyist for Comcast. Thus California is now suffering third-world power outages and our Internet, except for 'Frisco and parts of the Bay Area, is slower than parts of the Midwest. This has NOTHING to do with "Liberals" or "gays" or "hippies". This is what happens when the rich and powerful take over government and twist it into a monstrous ineffectual pariah.

/ Fark you, 'Frisco.

No one from California calls it Frisco.


Pretty sure Fark filters don't like many of the words Californians call San Francisco.
 
2019-10-12 04:49:33 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: bigfire: Summary - I was inconvenienced.  Poor me.


Talk to a hurricane survivor.  Or better yet, prepare next time. There was more than a year's advance notice about the shut-offs happening.  1 point for not calling 911 to see when the power was coming back on.

That's what the article covered, yes - but it was all pretty wrapped up into, "If we don't change some shiat, this is going to become the new reality for everyone.  Y'all want that?"  I think you're you're perhaps not seeing the subject for the details.  I get where they're coming from, they have a point, and for many people the only way to make it real for them is to emphasize how farked up of a world they're going to end up with without some changes.  It's just an attempt to make it real for the hard of thinking


For me it comes down to addressing the two main issues. Accountability and Margin. PG&E isn't being held accountable for their choices. There is minimal  margin for error in their systems.  Same for the writer. They're not being Accountable for their lack of planning for an outage or having  fa margin for unforseen events.    Hold PG&E accountable. Ignore the asshat that can't provide for their family due to piss poor planning.
 
2019-10-12 04:49:45 PM  
...the causes are the same: First, our electric company, Pacific Gas and Electric, neglected to maintain its wires...

Sounds more like a capitalist dystopia to me.
 
2019-10-12 04:50:57 PM  

BumpInTheNight: bigfire: Summary - I was inconvenienced.  Poor me.


Talk to a hurricane survivor.  Or better yet, prepare next time. There was more than a year's advance notice about the shut-offs happening.  1 point for not calling 911 to see when the power was coming back on.

Hah, user name checks out!

I can't say I'd be as cheery and stalwart if my local power monopoly was pulling that sort of garbage and eating the 'inconviences' with a grin, I doubt you would either.


I was in the PG&E shutoffs. Generator ran for 47 hours. Still had to work.
 
2019-10-12 04:52:20 PM  

bigfire: There was more than a year's advance notice about the shut-offs happening


I was just thinking that.  You'd think that more people would have used the time to retrofit backup systems of some sort.  I wouldn't live in such a remote area without at least a 2kW solar array, an LP generator, and a 500 gallon LP tank.
 
2019-10-12 04:54:34 PM  

bigfire: BumpInTheNight: bigfire: Summary - I was inconvenienced.  Poor me.


Talk to a hurricane survivor.  Or better yet, prepare next time. There was more than a year's advance notice about the shut-offs happening.  1 point for not calling 911 to see when the power was coming back on.

Hah, user name checks out!

I can't say I'd be as cheery and stalwart if my local power monopoly was pulling that sort of garbage and eating the 'inconviences' with a grin, I doubt you would either.

I was in the PG&E shutoffs. Generator ran for 47 hours. Still had to work.


Just for giggles:  Were you running it in an apartment?  What would you suggest those types have done in the situation?  You're also quite lucky your line of work can still happen without power or internet.  Those jobs are getting fewer and fewer.
 
2019-10-12 05:01:44 PM  
Suitcase generators do great on a balcony or back porch. Light, quiet,efficient Honda units are awesome. Can even run them in series if you require more power. The town that the writer is from is super rural.

She have generator power for work as well for the phones and internet. Cell phones are up because we have network extenders.  If you live in BFE you plan for this stuff.
 
2019-10-12 05:02:31 PM  

bigfire: Talk to a hurricane survivor.


Like Irene? which cut the roads (and power) to my town (and 11 others, or was it 12?)..so MREs and water were being airlifted in by the national guard so people could eat and drink. no municipal water, all wells - so no power, no water.
There was a PBS special on my town.

Now I have solar on my house, and soon I will have the batteries too and I won't really care what happens on the gird (I'll still be grid tied, but not grid dependent)
 
2019-10-12 05:04:34 PM  
Well we all know it's impossible to account for heat, dryness, and high winds. That's why there's no electricity in Egypt, after all.
 
2019-10-12 05:09:09 PM  

Dinjiin: bigfire: There was more than a year's advance notice about the shut-offs happening

I was just thinking that.  You'd think that more people would have used the time to retrofit backup systems of some sort.  I wouldn't live in such a remote area without at least a 2kW solar array, an LP generator, and a 500 gallon LP tank.


Didn't tfa say this was the poorest county in CA? I understand your point, but that shiat is costly and it's stuff they didn't require before so it's not purely a lack of planning or adjusting that put them in this situation.

Admittedly, I know next to nothing about this situation but I read a bit of the article and thought this was more backcountry than ritzy California.
 
2019-10-12 05:10:57 PM  

Dinjiin: bigfire: There was more than a year's advance notice about the shut-offs happening

I was just thinking that.  You'd think that more people would have used the time to retrofit backup systems of some sort.  I wouldn't live in such a remote area without at least a 2kW solar array, an LP generator, and a 500 gallon LP tank.


what they should have retrofitted was a utility company that does its farking job
 
2019-10-12 05:10:59 PM  

ar393: bigfire: Talk to a hurricane survivor.

Like Irene? which cut the roads (and power) to my town (and 11 others, or was it 12?)..so MREs and water were being airlifted in by the national guard so people could eat and drink. no municipal water, all wells - so no power, no water.
There was a PBS special on my town.

Now I have solar on my house, and soon I will have the batteries too and I won't really care what happens on the gird (I'll still be grid tied, but not grid dependent)


Mrs Fire and myself keep 3-4 weeks of nonperishable on hand, tons of Mason jar goodies, 30 gallons of drinking water, up to 25 gallons of gas for the generatorS (plural), 15 gallons of propane for the grill, Solar (still adding, only have 1k), plus some mountain house.  We're good for at least 45 days or more if the vehicles are full.
 
2019-10-12 05:13:07 PM  

Dinjiin: bigfire: There was more than a year's advance notice about the shut-offs happening

I was just thinking that.  You'd think that more people would have used the time to retrofit backup systems of some sort.  I wouldn't live in such a remote area without at least a 2kW solar array, an LP generator, and a 500 gallon LP tank.


Right.  Because all of that is so affordable.  And then there are the renters who don't have those options.
 
2019-10-12 05:13:27 PM  

BumpInTheNight: bigfire: BumpInTheNight: bigfire: Summary - I was inconvenienced.  Poor me.


Talk to a hurricane survivor.  Or better yet, prepare next time. There was more than a year's advance notice about the shut-offs happening.  1 point for not calling 911 to see when the power was coming back on.

Hah, user name checks out!

I can't say I'd be as cheery and stalwart if my local power monopoly was pulling that sort of garbage and eating the 'inconviences' with a grin, I doubt you would either.

I was in the PG&E shutoffs. Generator ran for 47 hours. Still had to work.

Just for giggles:  Were you running it in an apartment?  What would you suggest those types have done in the situation?  You're also quite lucky your line of work can still happen without power or internet.  Those jobs are getting fewer and fewer.


Appartment? Go be poor somewhere else.

Every response to; electric cars, power outages, decent housing, affordable housing, taxes, food avaiabalility, voting, voter registration, schools, police protection and forever a list.
 
2019-10-12 05:18:14 PM  
Donald Trump claims that the California climate change dystopia totally Exxonerates his anti-science positions because Democrats cause climate change.

The above statement is

a) true
b) false
c) very close to real bullshiat from the Mouth-Anus of Donald Trump.
 
2019-10-12 05:19:27 PM  
It's all background  noise until PG&E CEO and board is held, as individuals, criminally negligent for the wildfires and the prior decisions they made that exacerbated the tragedy.
 
2019-10-12 05:21:24 PM  

bigfire: It's all background  noise until PG&E CEO and board is held, as individuals, criminally negligent for the wildfires and the prior decisions they made that exacerbated the tragedy.


And for their seeming inability to monitor their lines and equipment despite charging a mountain of money for equipment and service fees.
 
2019-10-12 05:27:33 PM  

catmander: Dinjiin: bigfire: There was more than a year's advance notice about the shut-offs happening

I was just thinking that.  You'd think that more people would have used the time to retrofit backup systems of some sort.  I wouldn't live in such a remote area without at least a 2kW solar array, an LP generator, and a 500 gallon LP tank.

Right.  Because all of that is so affordable.  And then there are the renters who don't have those options.


Writer said they went out with drinks with friends. If they did this instead over the course of a year, they would have had power.   https://mendocino.craigslist.org/ele​/d​/calpella-generator/6996454098.html
 
2019-10-12 05:29:57 PM  

bigfire: It's all background  noise until PG&E CEO and board is held, as individuals, criminally negligent for the wildfires and the prior decisions they made that exacerbated the tragedy.


On this, we agree.  They are infamous in the industry for being too cheap to pay for proper maintenance of their transmission lines, and even their generation facilities.
 
2019-10-12 05:32:40 PM  

Boojum2k: lymond01: CrazyCurt: You have to like how we have a Public Utility Commission in this state ... that has been completely usurped by revolving-door lobbyists. What was supposed to be a buffer of politicians and experts to protect us from scumbag corporate asshats has become the protection for scumbag corporate asshats. The PUC has allowed PG&E to run roughshod over customers. The PUC is also in charge of Internet and is currently being run by a former lobbyist for Comcast. Thus California is now suffering third-world power outages and our Internet, except for 'Frisco and parts of the Bay Area, is slower than parts of the Midwest. This has NOTHING to do with "Liberals" or "gays" or "hippies". This is what happens when the rich and powerful take over government and twist it into a monstrous ineffectual pariah.

/ Fark you, 'Frisco.

No one from California calls it Frisco.

Pretty sure Fark filters don't like many of the words Californians call San Francisco.


It is "The City", thank you very much.
 
2019-10-12 05:34:04 PM  
Thank the dipshiat CA lawmakers that came up with Inverse Condemnation. You can, literally, shoot out a transformer and cause a fire that destroys an entire town (Ahem, Paradise CA [Oh, you didn't hear that part of the story?]) and CA law still holds the public utility financially responsible. So, yeah, the wind blows a little bit and you damn well bet your life that the Electric company's gonna shut off the power.
 
2019-10-12 05:35:28 PM  

bigfire: It's all background  noise until PG&E CEO and board is held, as individuals, criminally negligent for the wildfires and the prior decisions they made that exacerbated the tragedy.


Thanks for letting us know you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
 
2019-10-12 05:37:20 PM  

catmander: bigfire: It's all background  noise until PG&E CEO and board is held, as individuals, criminally negligent for the wildfires and the prior decisions they made that exacerbated the tragedy.

On this, we agree.  They are infamous in the industry for being too cheap to pay for proper maintenance of their transmission lines, and even their generation facilities.


Another moron speaking out of his/her ass.
 
2019-10-12 05:37:51 PM  
Sounds like the author lives in Lakeport, or thereabouts. The entire town was evacuated last year, during the Medocino Complex fire, which burned over 700 square miles of Lake and Medocino counties. I currently live in the town of Clearlake. I evacuated to Petaluma, my old stomping grounds, to keep my mom on dialysis, since we were at risk of a week without power.

But thanks to PG&E's long history of not maintaining their lines, this is it. This is the new normal. Massive, deadly fires, or long power outages. Lake County especially has a reason to be worried. More than half the county has burned in the last 7 years.

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Oh, and for those of you talking about solar and generators and all that, what part of, "poorest county in California," didn't you understand?
 
2019-10-12 05:38:39 PM  
Just burn the turds on the street for heat and light. It's no big deal.
 
2019-10-12 05:42:05 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: Boojum2k: lymond01: CrazyCurt: You have to like how we have a Public Utility Commission in this state ... that has been completely usurped by revolving-door lobbyists. What was supposed to be a buffer of politicians and experts to protect us from scumbag corporate asshats has become the protection for scumbag corporate asshats. The PUC has allowed PG&E to run roughshod over customers. The PUC is also in charge of Internet and is currently being run by a former lobbyist for Comcast. Thus California is now suffering third-world power outages and our Internet, except for 'Frisco and parts of the Bay Area, is slower than parts of the Midwest. This has NOTHING to do with "Liberals" or "gays" or "hippies". This is what happens when the rich and powerful take over government and twist it into a monstrous ineffectual pariah.

/ Fark you, 'Frisco.

No one from California calls it Frisco.

Pretty sure Fark filters don't like many of the words Californians call San Francisco.

It is "The City", thank you very much.


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Oakland isjusta collection of houses....
 
2019-10-12 05:43:37 PM  

limboslam: Thank the dipshiat CA lawmakers that came up with Inverse Condemnation. You can, literally, shoot out a transformer and cause a fire that destroys an entire town (Ahem, Paradise CA [Oh, you didn't hear that part of the story?]) and CA law still holds the public utility financially responsible. So, yeah, the wind blows a little bit and you damn well bet your life that the Electric company's gonna shut off the power.


Funny. That's not what the official Calfire investigation found. The transformer was in Concow. Not I. Pulga where the origin of the fire was. Sorry your stock price went down shill.
 
2019-10-12 05:44:33 PM  

limboslam: Thank the dipshiat CA lawmakers that came up with Inverse Condemnation. You can, literally, shoot out a transformer and cause a fire that destroys an entire town (Ahem, Paradise CA [Oh, you didn't hear that part of the story?]) and CA law still holds the public utility financially responsible. So, yeah, the wind blows a little bit and you damn well bet your life that the Electric company's gonna shut off the power.


Uhm, yeah, you mean the second ignition source area?   You might want to go back and reread the findings.   I know you got this thing about "Inverse Condemnation", I see you post it a lot.   But PGE screwed to pooch...again, no matter how much you try to deflect.
 
2019-10-12 05:45:22 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Sounds like the author lives in Lakeport, or thereabouts. The entire town was evacuated last year, during the Medocino Complex fire, which burned over 700 square miles of Lake and Medocino counties. I currently live in the town of Clearlake. I evacuated to Petaluma, my old stomping grounds, to keep my mom on dialysis, since we were at risk of a week without power.

But thanks to PG&E's long history of not maintaining their lines, this is it. This is the new normal. Massive, deadly fires, or long power outages. Lake County especially has a reason to be worried. More than half the county has burned in the last 7 years.

[ca-times.brightspotcdn.com image 840x937]

Oh, and for those of you talking about solar and generators and all that, what part of, "poorest county in California," didn't you understand?


Hey dummy, the fire, which was part of a larger blaze called the Mendocino Complex, "was caused by a spark or hot metal fragment landing in a receptive fuel bed," the agency said, adding the spark came from a hammer driving a metal stake into the ground by a private property owner. The Pawnee fire was another fire caused by target shooting.
 
2019-10-12 05:45:30 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: Boojum2k: lymond01: CrazyCurt: You have to like how we have a Public Utility Commission in this state ... that has been completely usurped by revolving-door lobbyists. What was supposed to be a buffer of politicians and experts to protect us from scumbag corporate asshats has become the protection for scumbag corporate asshats. The PUC has allowed PG&E to run roughshod over customers. The PUC is also in charge of Internet and is currently being run by a former lobbyist for Comcast. Thus California is now suffering third-world power outages and our Internet, except for 'Frisco and parts of the Bay Area, is slower than parts of the Midwest. This has NOTHING to do with "Liberals" or "gays" or "hippies". This is what happens when the rich and powerful take over government and twist it into a monstrous ineffectual pariah.

/ Fark you, 'Frisco.

No one from California calls it Frisco.

Pretty sure Fark filters don't like many of the words Californians call San Francisco.

It is "The City", thank you very much.


Or something that rhymes with that, at least.
 
2019-10-12 05:45:38 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: limboslam: Thank the dipshiat CA lawmakers that came up with Inverse Condemnation. You can, literally, shoot out a transformer and cause a fire that destroys an entire town (Ahem, Paradise CA [Oh, you didn't hear that part of the story?]) and CA law still holds the public utility financially responsible. So, yeah, the wind blows a little bit and you damn well bet your life that the Electric company's gonna shut off the power.

Uhm, yeah, you mean the second ignition source area?   You might want to go back and reread the findings.   I know you got this thing about "Inverse Condemnation", I see you post it a lot.   But PGE screwed to pooch...again, no matter how much you try to deflect.


Or project.
 
2019-10-12 05:46:32 PM  
Lake county used to have a nice modern rural infrastructure and industry,

Then it all burned down

They scrimped, borrowed, took out long-term bonds , and used the money to rebuild.

Then it all burned down again.

With no tax base and the debt from before, and as many morebonds as they could get away with they scraped together another rebuild.

I think that's pretty much where it is, with a "plus the time they half rebuilt and it all burned again" arguably thrown in.

Some retirees and I think geothermal stuff.
 
2019-10-12 05:47:31 PM  

limboslam: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Sounds like the author lives in Lakeport, or thereabouts. The entire town was evacuated last year, during the Medocino Complex fire, which burned over 700 square miles of Lake and Medocino counties. I currently live in the town of Clearlake. I evacuated to Petaluma, my old stomping grounds, to keep my mom on dialysis, since we were at risk of a week without power.

But thanks to PG&E's long history of not maintaining their lines, this is it. This is the new normal. Massive, deadly fires, or long power outages. Lake County especially has a reason to be worried. More than half the county has burned in the last 7 years.

[ca-times.brightspotcdn.com image 840x937]

Oh, and for those of you talking about solar and generators and all that, what part of, "poorest county in California," didn't you understand?

Hey dummy, the fire, which was part of a larger blaze called the Mendocino Complex, "was caused by a spark or hot metal fragment landing in a receptive fuel bed," the agency said, adding the spark came from a hammer driving a metal stake into the ground by a private property owner. The Pawnee fire was another fire caused by target shooting.


Well, sh*t for brains, I didn't blame PG&E for it, did I? So go back to the investors and tell them so.
 
2019-10-12 05:55:25 PM  

lysdexic: Dewey Fidalgo: Boojum2k: lymond01: CrazyCurt: You have to like how we have a Public Utility Commission in this state ... that has been completely usurped by revolving-door lobbyists. What was supposed to be a buffer of politicians and experts to protect us from scumbag corporate asshats has become the protection for scumbag corporate asshats. The PUC has allowed PG&E to run roughshod over customers. The PUC is also in charge of Internet and is currently being run by a former lobbyist for Comcast. Thus California is now suffering third-world power outages and our Internet, except for 'Frisco and parts of the Bay Area, is slower than parts of the Midwest. This has NOTHING to do with "Liberals" or "gays" or "hippies". This is what happens when the rich and powerful take over government and twist it into a monstrous ineffectual pariah.

/ Fark you, 'Frisco.

No one from California calls it Frisco.

Pretty sure Fark filters don't like many of the words Californians call San Francisco.

It is "The City", thank you very much.

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Oakland isjusta collection of houses....


Love Eddie.  But *shrug*, I lived 5 or 6 hours north of "the City".   When someone said they were going to "the city", they meant SF.  If we were going to Oakland, we said we were going to Oakland.  Or San Jose.  Or Daly City (don't ask).  Don't know why SF is known as "the city", but it is.
 
2019-10-12 05:57:25 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: lysdexic: Dewey Fidalgo: Boojum2k: lymond01: CrazyCurt: You have to like how we have a Public Utility Commission in this state ... that has been completely usurped by revolving-door lobbyists. What was supposed to be a buffer of politicians and experts to protect us from scumbag corporate asshats has become the protection for scumbag corporate asshats. The PUC has allowed PG&E to run roughshod over customers. The PUC is also in charge of Internet and is currently being run by a former lobbyist for Comcast. Thus California is now suffering third-world power outages and our Internet, except for 'Frisco and parts of the Bay Area, is slower than parts of the Midwest. This has NOTHING to do with "Liberals" or "gays" or "hippies". This is what happens when the rich and powerful take over government and twist it into a monstrous ineffectual pariah.

/ Fark you, 'Frisco.

No one from California calls it Frisco.

Pretty sure Fark filters don't like many of the words Californians call San Francisco.

It is "The City", thank you very much.

[Fark user image 300x225]
Oakland isjusta collection of houses....

Love Eddie.  But *shrug*, I lived 5 or 6 hours north of "the City".   When someone said they were going to "the city", they meant SF.  If we were going to Oakland, we said we were going to Oakland.  Or San Jose.  Or Daly City (don't ask).  Don't know why SF is known as "the city", but it is.


"The City By The Bay" or simply, The City
 
2019-10-12 06:01:22 PM  
What? You want my input? Don't mind if I do...

PG&E are assholes, of that there is no doubt. I "buy my electricity" from a source that only uses sustainable generation methods (for roughly 50% of PG&E cost), and it gets transferred over PG&E's infrastructure and they charge 100% for this service, the same price if they were generating or buying the power themselves. This means I pay 150% the cost if I would only buy from PG&E.
They say maintenance and service fees justify this, but yet when the Tubbs fire damn near burned down my house 2 years ago, the CEO said they were at over 90% with line maintenance. An independent source came up with less than 10%. Here is the kicker...

The Pacific Gas and Electric Company is an American investor-owned utility with publicly traded stock

We have a farking for profit, publicly traded public utility. Gee, nothing could go wrong with that...


OK, back to snowflake's concerns here... PG&E's greed and bullschitt aside, Evan here should invest in bootstraps immediately.
Please look at this map. Lake County is around Clearlake and Lakeport, and fairly remote; that nearest other town, Ukiah, has about 15,000 inhabitants.
My point is, for California, this is somewhat isolated.

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This power outage was a planned exercise, and we were warned in advance, about 2 days IIRC, and no way you couldn't have heard about it unless you are a shut-in, and even then, Evan here works with Wi-Fi.
They posted interactive maps so you could determine if you were considered to be affected... we had warning of this, and that's not something us Californians are used to; this should be easy!

Evan has at least two kids, and apparently he didn't have flashlights? Apparently he doesn't have a BBQ of any kind, since he can't cook any food? No way to generate/store energy? Does he have a basic medical kit?
Why doesn't he have a simple "emergency" kit, because schitt does happen, and he had better be able to provide for his kids.
Seriously, $500 would set up a bin of supplies that would take care of the basic necessities, and then it is just like camping at home with all your other stuff. For example, this simple little thing can boil water remarkably fast, and even be used for "normal" cooking.
https://www.amazon.com/%C3%9Cberleben​-​Collapsible-Stainless-Emergency-Backpa​cking/dp/B071GMCSQ1/ref=sr_1_16?dchild​=1&keywords=emergency+stove&qid=157091​4990&sr=8-16

Since he seems to be so electrocentric, he should pop a little more money...
$330 200w solar panels, charge controller, mounts and wiring. Panels
$340 2x$170 100Ah sealed AGM deep cycle batteries. Battery
$300 2,000W true sine power inverter Power inverter
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$970+(other things you always need)=$1,200 for an emergency set up you can use even when it isn't an emergency. That would run a fridge or full sized microwave for a bit, especially if you had full sun. Meanwhile, you have lights, can power your phone line, charge all devices/batteries, watch movies, electroshock the kids... or wife. That's basically 1/2 the system I have, and it powers 1/2 my garage including mini-fridge and chest freezer.
Yes, these things cost money, but this isn't about needful things, this is about comfort and security; a form of insurance. Something fairly important if you are out in the boonies... come on people, at least try FFS!

Let's be honest here, Evan is pissed that the local stores weren't open, he couldn't easily order food, and driving 10 miles for gas was an ordeal not to be suffered. Evan takes too much for granted.
And if he needed WiFi, was his phone down too, because why didn't he just use it as a hotspot?

Oh, almost forgot. Evan is... prone to exaggeration, I suspect... possibly.

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2019-10-12 06:06:43 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Dewey Fidalgo: lysdexic: Dewey Fidalgo: Boojum2k: lymond01: CrazyCurt: You have to like how we have a Public Utility Commission in this state ... that has been completely usurped by revolving-door lobbyists. What was supposed to be a buffer of politicians and experts to protect us from scumbag corporate asshats has become the protection for scumbag corporate asshats. The PUC has allowed PG&E to run roughshod over customers. The PUC is also in charge of Internet and is currently being run by a former lobbyist for Comcast. Thus California is now suffering third-world power outages and our Internet, except for 'Frisco and parts of the Bay Area, is slower than parts of the Midwest. This has NOTHING to do with "Liberals" or "gays" or "hippies". This is what happens when the rich and powerful take over government and twist it into a monstrous ineffectual pariah.

/ Fark you, 'Frisco.

No one from California calls it Frisco.

Pretty sure Fark filters don't like many of the words Californians call San Francisco.

It is "The City", thank you very much.

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Oakland isjusta collection of houses....

Love Eddie.  But *shrug*, I lived 5 or 6 hours north of "the City".   When someone said they were going to "the city", they meant SF.  If we were going to Oakland, we said we were going to Oakland.  Or San Jose.  Or Daly City (don't ask).  Don't know why SF is known as "the city", but it is.

"The City By The Bay" or simply, The City


Oh thanks, now I have that song earworming me.
 
2019-10-12 06:12:09 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Dewey Fidalgo: lysdexic: Dewey Fidalgo: Boojum2k: lymond01: CrazyCurt: You have to like how we have a Public Utility Commission in this state ... that has been completely usurped by revolving-door lobbyists. What was supposed to be a buffer of politicians and experts to protect us from scumbag corporate asshats has become the protection for scumbag corporate asshats. The PUC has allowed PG&E to run roughshod over customers. The PUC is also in charge of Internet and is currently being run by a former lobbyist for Comcast. Thus California is now suffering third-world power outages and our Internet, except for 'Frisco and parts of the Bay Area, is slower than parts of the Midwest. This has NOTHING to do with "Liberals" or "gays" or "hippies". This is what happens when the rich and powerful take over government and twist it into a monstrous ineffectual pariah.

/ Fark you, 'Frisco.

No one from California calls it Frisco.

Pretty sure Fark filters don't like many of the words Californians call San Francisco.

It is "The City", thank you very much.

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Oakland isjusta collection of houses....

Love Eddie.  But *shrug*, I lived 5 or 6 hours north of "the City".   When someone said they were going to "the city", they meant SF.  If we were going to Oakland, we said we were going to Oakland.  Or San Jose.  Or Daly City (don't ask).  Don't know why SF is known as "the city", but it is.

"The City By The Bay" or simply, The City

Oh thanks, now I have that song earworming me.


And I am not going down by myself.

Journey - Lights (Official Video)
Youtube tNG62fULYgI


God damn, I know California is full, expensive and burny (or floody), but I miss it so much sometimes it hurts.   Also, PG&E has always sucked. The last account I had with them was 42 years ago and I still hate them from then.
 
2019-10-12 06:16:25 PM  
No utility can maintain their right of way to the point where trees will never touch a line. You can reduce the chances, sure, but you'll never eliminate it.
 
2019-10-12 06:21:22 PM  

SoupGuru: No utility can maintain their right of way to the point where trees will never touch a line. You can reduce the chances, sure, but you'll never eliminate it.


Wasn't a tree
It was a broke C-hook.  A piece of their old equipment that was not maintained or replaced before it failed. Put off maintenance, pay the price. Oh wait, State legislature said it was ok for PG&E to raise rates to cover for the impending lawsuits from the Tubbs and Paradise fires. Customers will pay the price now.
 
2019-10-12 06:21:34 PM  
Protip: Maybe next time don't build houses in regions prone to wild fires.
 
2019-10-12 06:21:55 PM  
About a year ago, I was hanging out with some worldly, intelligent and hip retirees that lived in suburban Palo Alto.  While talking about the role of government, the monsters at greedy capitalist firms, the rights of the individual and other groovy things, I pointed out that they had about half a dozen trees with branches actually touching the power line.

They mentioned that although it was on their private property, and a hazard to the neighborhood, that no one had the right to trim back the trees because of some bs reasons.

I'm getting along great now in Ohio
 
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