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2019-10-12 05:10:41 AM  
Friday was the day that the court cases finally wound their way up to the Supremes, where there might not be rules anymore.
 
2019-10-12 05:11:50 AM  
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2019-10-12 05:14:55 AM  
Couldn't have happened to a bigger asshole
 
2019-10-12 05:17:55 AM  

apocryphaandmyth: Friday was the day that the court cases finally wound their way up to the Supremes, where there might not be rules anymore.


America is being forced to learn what every nation has to learn eventually: "if the person who heads your government is an irredemable asshole, you have few options"
 
2019-10-12 05:18:23 AM  
Like I said in another thread this morning, Donnie almost always loses court cases because there is rarely any legal principles for his lawyers to use other than 'but I WANT to do that!'
 
2019-10-12 05:19:19 AM  
They had to aim very carefully to hit such a small target:

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2019-10-12 05:19:19 AM  
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2019-10-12 05:20:01 AM  
Drop your trousers, touch your toes, Chosen One....
 
2019-10-12 05:21:57 AM  

Uranus: Drop your trousers, touch your toes, Chosen One....


Can't touch what he can't see.
 
2019-10-12 05:23:17 AM  

apocryphaandmyth: Friday was the day that the court cases finally wound their way up to the Supremes, where there might not be rules anymore.


SCOTUS does not take on many cases. Maybe a hundred or so a year. Out of thousands that are kicked up to them. And they only take on cases that they feel they can safely overrule with minimal blowback.

Trump's crimes are so frequent and obvious that SCOTUS isn't going to see them all, and most of them are so slam-dunk that SCOTUS is not interested in the political ramifications of overruling them. In fact, they will very likely recuse themselves from most -- if not all -- of them.

That's the thing about the Supreme Court: It likes its independence. It is not going to become the partisan attack dog you think it will despite the prodding of the parties.
 
2019-10-12 05:26:14 AM  
The lone dissenter was a judge Trump appointed. Shocker, that one.

I'm concerned if this goes on long enough we will be stuck with an actual kangaroo court, set up by trump.
 
2019-10-12 05:32:49 AM  
Just before political movements end the become particularly virulent this is known as an extinction gasp. Lossing five cases in one day is a good indicator that Trump has almost drained the swamp and ended the deep-state.
 
2019-10-12 05:41:54 AM  
Who would have thought that the least popular president in modern times might have difficulty persuading the courts to aid and abet his madness.
 
2019-10-12 05:43:19 AM  

Ishkur: apocryphaandmyth: Friday was the day that the court cases finally wound their way up to the Supremes, where there might not be rules anymore.

SCOTUS does not take on many cases. Maybe a hundred or so a year. Out of thousands that are kicked up to them. And they only take on cases that they feel they can safely overrule with minimal blowback.

Trump's crimes are so frequent and obvious that SCOTUS isn't going to see them all, and most of them are so slam-dunk that SCOTUS is not interested in the political ramifications of overruling them. In fact, they will very likely recuse themselves from most -- if not all -- of them.

That's the thing about the Supreme Court: It likes its independence. It is not going to become the partisan attack dog you think it will despite the prodding of the parties.


This. Fark's concern trolls love to shout that Trump's Supreme Court is going to do everything he says, apparently out of the undying gratitude for having appointed two of them.
This is wishful thinking on their part.
These guys are appointed for life, and never have to kiss trump's ass again as long as they live.
SCOTUS justices have a DISMAL track record of fulfilling their appointing Presidents ambitions - in fact, they often end up voting against them.
And they are all smart enough to know what loyalty to Trump gets you. I do not, myself, believe that this court can be counted upon to deliver the rulings that Trump wants on command. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see the opposite.
Remember that Trump himself doesn't give a rats about conservative/liberal philosophy - only about getting his own way, whatever that may be in the whim of the moment.
 
2019-10-12 05:49:02 AM  

jso2897: This. Fark's concern trolls love to shout that Trump's Supreme Court is going to do everything he says, apparently out of the undying gratitude for having appointed two of them.
This is wishful thinking on their part.
These guys are appointed for life, and never have to kiss trump's ass again as long as they live.


Justice Dudebro may be the exception.. they may have put him on the court precisely because he's so obviously flawed and compromised, so they could impeach him for defying them, and most of us decent people want to do so already.

But he can't do it alone.
 
2019-10-12 05:49:31 AM  
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Ah, ha, ha...
 
2019-10-12 05:57:06 AM  

jso2897: Ishkur: apocryphaandmyth: Friday was the day that the court cases finally wound their way up to the Supremes, where there might not be rules anymore.

SCOTUS does not take on many cases. Maybe a hundred or so a year. Out of thousands that are kicked up to them. And they only take on cases that they feel they can safely overrule with minimal blowback.

Trump's crimes are so frequent and obvious that SCOTUS isn't going to see them all, and most of them are so slam-dunk that SCOTUS is not interested in the political ramifications of overruling them. In fact, they will very likely recuse themselves from most -- if not all -- of them.

That's the thing about the Supreme Court: It likes its independence. It is not going to become the partisan attack dog you think it will despite the prodding of the parties.

This. Fark's concern trolls love to shout that Trump's Supreme Court is going to do everything he says, apparently out of the undying gratitude for having appointed two of them.
This is wishful thinking on their part.
These guys are appointed for life, and never have to kiss trump's ass again as long as they live.
SCOTUS justices have a DISMAL track record of fulfilling their appointing Presidents ambitions - in fact, they often end up voting against them.
And they are all smart enough to know what loyalty to Trump gets you. I do not, myself, believe that this court can be counted upon to deliver the rulings that Trump wants on command. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see the opposite.
Remember that Trump himself doesn't give a rats about conservative/liberal philosophy - only about getting his own way, whatever that may be in the whim of the moment.


You know what I did there?  I forgot it was rampant unfunded optimism week.  Well, rooty toot toot, we got him now!
 
2019-10-12 06:07:00 AM  

Alphax: jso2897: This. Fark's concern trolls love to shout that Trump's Supreme Court is going to do everything he says, apparently out of the undying gratitude for having appointed two of them.
This is wishful thinking on their part.
These guys are appointed for life, and never have to kiss trump's ass again as long as they live.

Justice Dudebro may be the exception.. they may have put him on the court precisely because he's so obviously flawed and compromised, so they could impeach him for defying them, and most of us decent people want to do so already.

But he can't do it alone.


Justice Dudebro may be the most free. They used so much capital to get him across the line they can't impeach him. It would look ridiculous and likely damage the base.
 
2019-10-12 06:11:55 AM  

Ishkur: apocryphaandmyth: Friday was the day that the court cases finally wound their way up to the Supremes, where there might not be rules anymore.

SCOTUS does not take on many cases. Maybe a hundred or so a year. Out of thousands that are kicked up to them. And they only take on cases that they feel they can safely overrule with minimal blowback.

Trump's crimes are so frequent and obvious that SCOTUS isn't going to see them all, and most of them are so slam-dunk that SCOTUS is not interested in the political ramifications of overruling them. In fact, they will very likely recuse themselves from most -- if not all -- of them.

That's the thing about the Supreme Court: It likes its independence. It is not going to become the partisan attack dog you think it will despite the prodding of the parties.


Hey, did somebody say party, son?

*Louie Louie starts blaring, beer kegs, guys in Hawaiin shirts, and women in bathing suits fill the Supreme Court chamber*

/Let's say I have my doubts about them
//if they can get people to take 'originalism' seriously, they're capable of anything.
 
2019-10-12 06:20:48 AM  

not enough beer: Justice Dudebro may be the most free. They used so much capital to get him across the line they can't impeach him. It would look ridiculous and likely damage the base.


He has the job for life, whether he ever does anything Trump likes again or not.
Why would he do what Trump wants - loyalty?
I don't think he's that stupid.
 
2019-10-12 06:22:12 AM  

born_yesterday: Ishkur: apocryphaandmyth: Friday was the day that the court cases finally wound their way up to the Supremes, where there might not be rules anymore.

SCOTUS does not take on many cases. Maybe a hundred or so a year. Out of thousands that are kicked up to them. And they only take on cases that they feel they can safely overrule with minimal blowback.

Trump's crimes are so frequent and obvious that SCOTUS isn't going to see them all, and most of them are so slam-dunk that SCOTUS is not interested in the political ramifications of overruling them. In fact, they will very likely recuse themselves from most -- if not all -- of them.

That's the thing about the Supreme Court: It likes its independence. It is not going to become the partisan attack dog you think it will despite the prodding of the parties.

Hey, did somebody say party, son?

*Louie Louie starts blaring, beer kegs, guys in Hawaiin shirts, and women in bathing suits fill the Supreme Court chamber*

/Let's say I have my doubts about them
//if they can get people to take 'originalism' seriously, they're capable of anything.


Nothing sadder than a black guy who's an Originalist...I guess Thomas just wants to be owned by a white guy.

Personally, I'm opposed to slavery, but I'd be willing to make an exception.
 
2019-10-12 06:22:53 AM  

apocryphaandmyth: You know what I did there? I forgot it was rampant unfunded optimism week. Well, rooty toot toot, we got him now!


Just to clarify - I am not making any predictions about how the court WILL vote.
My whole point is that that is an exercise in futility.
 
2019-10-12 06:25:06 AM  

jso2897: not enough beer: Justice Dudebro may be the most free. They used so much capital to get him across the line they can't impeach him. It would look ridiculous and likely damage the base.

He has the job for life, whether he ever does anything Trump likes again or not.
Why would he do what Trump wants - loyalty?
I don't think he's that stupid.


Exactly and the republicans aren't going to waste impeachment to satisfy Trump.
 
2019-10-12 06:32:54 AM  

jso2897: apocryphaandmyth: You know what I did there? I forgot it was rampant unfunded optimism week. Well, rooty toot toot, we got him now!

Just to clarify - I am not making any predictions about how the court WILL vote.
My whole point is that that is an exercise in futility.


The court decisions that make the news always seem to be exactly along partisan lines.  I get depressed at how often the finest legal minds in America come down 5-4 on every point of law.
 
2019-10-12 06:39:41 AM  

PunGent: born_yesterday: Ishkur: apocryphaandmyth: Friday was the day that the court cases finally wound their way up to the Supremes, where there might not be rules anymore.

SCOTUS does not take on many cases. Maybe a hundred or so a year. Out of thousands that are kicked up to them. And they only take on cases that they feel they can safely overrule with minimal blowback.

Trump's crimes are so frequent and obvious that SCOTUS isn't going to see them all, and most of them are so slam-dunk that SCOTUS is not interested in the political ramifications of overruling them. In fact, they will very likely recuse themselves from most -- if not all -- of them.

That's the thing about the Supreme Court: It likes its independence. It is not going to become the partisan attack dog you think it will despite the prodding of the parties.

Hey, did somebody say party, son?

*Louie Louie starts blaring, beer kegs, guys in Hawaiin shirts, and women in bathing suits fill the Supreme Court chamber*

/Let's say I have my doubts about them
//if they can get people to take 'originalism' seriously, they're capable of anything.

Nothing sadder than a black guy who's an Originalist...I guess Thomas just wants to be owned by a white guy.

Personally, I'm opposed to slavery, but I'd be willing to make an exception.


I'm still waiting for him to declare himself 3/5ths of a vote, but that might need to wait until he can declare his marriage illegal.
 
2019-10-12 06:45:44 AM  

apocryphaandmyth: jso2897: apocryphaandmyth: You know what I did there? I forgot it was rampant unfunded optimism week. Well, rooty toot toot, we got him now!

Just to clarify - I am not making any predictions about how the court WILL vote.
My whole point is that that is an exercise in futility.

The court decisions that make the news always seem to be exactly along partisan lines.  I get depressed at how often the finest legal minds in America come down 5-4 on every point of law.


Yeah, this.  I'm dubious of the suggestion that dolts like Alito and Thomas and Gorsuch are going to do anything other than vote along party lines.  Same with freaking Kavanaugh, who is bought and paid for.  Roberts is the only Republican justice with even an ounce of integrity.
 
2019-10-12 06:48:49 AM  
One bright spot for Trump came back in Washington, where Judge Neomi Rao dissented in the tax records case, blasting House Democrats in no uncertain terms as operating a personal inquiry against the President under the guise of legislative oversight.

Rao was appointed to the bench by President Donald Trump this year and took the former seat of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh. She is a former clerk to Justice Clarence Thomas and like him looks to the original meaning of the Constitution when analyzing cases.


So she gets to keep her job
 
2019-10-12 06:52:53 AM  

Ishkur: apocryphaandmyth: Friday was the day that the court cases finally wound their way up to the Supremes, where there might not be rules anymore.

SCOTUS does not take on many cases. Maybe a hundred or so a year. Out of thousands that are kicked up to them. And they only take on cases that they feel they can safely overrule with minimal blowback.


Came here to say this. The SC is not obligated to hear every case of Trump lackeys whining about something.

Most of these cases don't have long-term relevance. They might rule on the tax thing, but I'm skeptical that the court would want to neuter Congressional subpoena power forever.
 
2019-10-12 06:53:16 AM  

apocryphaandmyth: jso2897: apocryphaandmyth: You know what I did there? I forgot it was rampant unfunded optimism week. Well, rooty toot toot, we got him now!

Just to clarify - I am not making any predictions about how the court WILL vote.
My whole point is that that is an exercise in futility.

The court decisions that make the news always seem to be exactly along partisan lines.  I get depressed at how often the finest legal minds in America come down 5-4 on every point of law.


If it pleases you to make predictions, make them. I won't be contradicting you with predictions of my own.
And then, the actual future will happen, without any input from either of us.
 
2019-10-12 07:16:35 AM  
The next stop could be the Supreme Court.

And that's where Fratboy McRapey blocks the shot for his boss.
 
2019-10-12 07:16:37 AM  

jso2897: apocryphaandmyth: jso2897: apocryphaandmyth: You know what I did there? I forgot it was rampant unfunded optimism week. Well, rooty toot toot, we got him now!

Just to clarify - I am not making any predictions about how the court WILL vote.
My whole point is that that is an exercise in futility.

The court decisions that make the news always seem to be exactly along partisan lines.  I get depressed at how often the finest legal minds in America come down 5-4 on every point of law.

If it pleases you to make predictions, make them. I won't be contradicting you with predictions of my own.
And then, the actual future will happen, without any input from either of us.


Of course you're right.  The way I have a good time is to think about a situation, try to dredge up anything I've learned that might apply, try to make a prediction about how things are going to unfold, then check reality against what I thought and try to learn something new.
Someday I'll ascend to a higher plane of enlightenment and become totally zen about it.
 
2019-10-12 07:24:50 AM  

Beginning of the end: The lone dissenter was a judge Trump appointed. Shocker, that one.

I'm concerned if this goes on long enough we will be stuck with an actual kangaroo court, set up by trump.


I came to point out that even his win came from a personal hire.

I also can't resist posting the description of this judge from tfa...

Rao was appointed to the bench by President Donald Trump this year and took the former seat of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh. She is a former clerk to Justice Clarence Thomas

It's a trifecta of awful.
 
2019-10-12 07:28:01 AM  
Welcome to the 5 Timer's club, Don.

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2019-10-12 07:33:12 AM  

apocryphaandmyth: Someday I'll ascend to a higher plane of enlightenment and become totally zen about it.


Black-Nosed Buddha

A nun who was searching for enlightenment made a statue of Buddha and covered it with gold leaf. Wherever she went she carried this golden Buddha with her.
Years passed and, still carrying her Buddha, the nun came to live in a small temple in a country where there were many Buddhas, each one with its own particular shrine.
The nun wished to burn incense before her golden Buddha. Not liking the idea of the perfume straying to the others, she devised a funnel through which the smoke would ascend only to her statue. This blackened the nose of the golden Buddha, making it especially ugly.
 
2019-10-12 07:51:17 AM  
And the presidents response?

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Just like every day.
 
2019-10-12 07:51:46 AM  
I always read SC as South Carolina and at this point they're pretty much synonymous anyway.
 
2019-10-12 07:52:53 AM  

Number 216: And the presidents response?

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Just like every day.


He and his followers are sore losers AND sore winners.
 
2019-10-12 08:02:29 AM  

Beginning of the end: The lone dissenter was a judge Trump appointed. Shocker, that one.

I'm concerned if this goes on long enough we will be stuck with an actual kangaroo court, set up by trump.


Read the dissent. It skewers trump to be impeached.
 
2019-10-12 08:29:41 AM  

jso2897: Ishkur: apocryphaandmyth: Friday was the day that the court cases finally wound their way up to the Supremes, where there might not be rules anymore.

SCOTUS does not take on many cases. Maybe a hundred or so a year. Out of thousands that are kicked up to them. And they only take on cases that they feel they can safely overrule with minimal blowback.

Trump's crimes are so frequent and obvious that SCOTUS isn't going to see them all, and most of them are so slam-dunk that SCOTUS is not interested in the political ramifications of overruling them. In fact, they will very likely recuse themselves from most -- if not all -- of them.

That's the thing about the Supreme Court: It likes its independence. It is not going to become the partisan attack dog you think it will despite the prodding of the parties.

This. Fark's concern trolls love to shout that Trump's Supreme Court is going to do everything he says, apparently out of the undying gratitude for having appointed two of them.
This is wishful thinking on their part.
These guys are appointed for life, and never have to kiss trump's ass again as long as they live.
SCOTUS justices have a DISMAL track record of fulfilling their appointing Presidents ambitions - in fact, they often end up voting against them.
And they are all smart enough to know what loyalty to Trump gets you. I do not, myself, believe that this court can be counted upon to deliver the rulings that Trump wants on command. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see the opposite.
Remember that Trump himself doesn't give a rats about conservative/liberal philosophy - only about getting his own way, whatever that may be in the whim of the moment.


I feel like you haven't been around for the last twenty years.
 
2019-10-12 08:55:05 AM  
One day.  One day he gets tired of winning and looks what happens.
 
2019-10-12 09:07:36 AM  

Ishkur: apocryphaandmyth: Friday was the day that the court cases finally wound their way up to the Supremes, where there might not be rules anymore.

SCOTUS does not take on many cases. Maybe a hundred or so a year. Out of thousands that are kicked up to them. And they only take on cases that they feel they can safely overrule with minimal blowback.

Trump's crimes are so frequent and obvious that SCOTUS isn't going to see them all, and most of them are so slam-dunk that SCOTUS is not interested in the political ramifications of overruling them. In fact, they will very likely recuse themselves from most -- if not all -- of them.

That's the thing about the Supreme Court: It likes its independence. It is not going to become the partisan attack dog you think it will despite the prodding of the parties.


It's also useful to think of a couple of points:

A. Judges like rules and precedent and tend to follow them.
B. You need at least 4 Justices who want to hear the case to be picked up.
C. The court rarely picks up and even more rarely disagrees with a case that has multiple lower courts in agreement.
D. The court doesn't want to get too preachy on separation of powers and limiting powers not specify in the Constitution. After all the court itself is very poorly defined in the Constitution. They have no explicit power to declare that laws are or are not Constitutional. A precedent like that would limit their own future rulings drastically.
 
2019-10-12 09:35:21 AM  

Alphax: Like I said in another thread this morning, Donnie almost always loses court cases because there is rarely any legal principles for his lawyers to use other than 'but I WANT to do that!'


Unfortunately there are 4 people on the SC who think the President is above the law (if he's a Republican), and one who thinks the President is mostly above the law.
 
2019-10-12 09:36:44 AM  

Ishkur: apocryphaandmyth: Friday was the day that the court cases finally wound their way up to the Supremes, where there might not be rules anymore.

SCOTUS does not take on many cases. Maybe a hundred or so a year. Out of thousands that are kicked up to them. And they only take on cases that they feel they can safely overrule with minimal blowback.

Trump's crimes are so frequent and obvious that SCOTUS isn't going to see them all, and most of them are so slam-dunk that SCOTUS is not interested in the political ramifications of overruling them. In fact, they will very likely recuse themselves from most -- if not all -- of them.

That's the thing about the Supreme Court: It likes its independence. It is not going to become the partisan attack dog you think it will despite the prodding of the parties.


Ohwaityoureseriousletmelaughharder.jpg
 
2019-10-12 09:40:14 AM  

apocryphaandmyth: jso2897: apocryphaandmyth: You know what I did there? I forgot it was rampant unfunded optimism week. Well, rooty toot toot, we got him now!

Just to clarify - I am not making any predictions about how the court WILL vote.
My whole point is that that is an exercise in futility.

The court decisions that make the news always seem to be exactly along partisan lines.  I get depressed at how often the finest legal minds in America come down 5-4 on every point of law.


"Finest"

[Citation needed]
 
2019-10-12 09:48:50 AM  
Trump will have some to to wallow and tweet about this a little later. Unless he's playing golf.

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2019-10-12 10:08:54 AM  
Trump got his ass kicked yesterday, but likely the only thing he understands is that the one "mean" reporter from Fox News that he doesn't like, resigned.
 
2019-10-12 10:32:05 AM  

BlueDWarrior: apocryphaandmyth: Friday was the day that the court cases finally wound their way up to the Supremes, where there might not be rules anymore.

America is being forced to learn what every nation has to learn eventually: "if the person who heads your government is an irredemable asshole, you have few options"


But most nations don't combine head of state and head of government into a single, super powerful position, or have any confusion about whether the head of government can be subject to an criminal trial. And many democracies have the option of parliamentary votes of no confidence.
 
2019-10-12 10:47:17 AM  

Ishkur: apocryphaandmyth: Friday was the day that the court cases finally wound their way up to the Supremes, where there might not be rules anymore.

SCOTUS does not take on many cases. Maybe a hundred or so a year. Out of thousands that are kicked up to them. And they only take on cases that they feel they can safely overrule with minimal blowback.

Trump's crimes are so frequent and obvious that SCOTUS isn't going to see them all, and most of them are so slam-dunk that SCOTUS is not interested in the political ramifications of overruling them. In fact, they will very likely recuse themselves from most -- if not all -- of them.

That's the thing about the Supreme Court: It likes its independence. It is not going to become the partisan attack dog you think it will despite the prodding of the parties.


This seems relevant here:

The Most Important Supreme Court Cases of 2019 (Real Law Review) // LegalEagle
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Spoiler: They ruled in favor of "fuct".
 
2019-10-12 11:02:24 AM  
Maybe Congress should do their job instead of using the President as a lightening rod for decades incompetence and partisan politics.
 
2019-10-12 11:12:22 AM  

Ishkur: apocryphaandmyth: Friday was the day that the court cases finally wound their way up to the Supremes, where there might not be rules anymore.

SCOTUS does not take on many cases. Maybe a hundred or so a year. Out of thousands that are kicked up to them. And they only take on cases that they feel they can safely overrule with minimal blowback.

Trump's crimes are so frequent and obvious that SCOTUS isn't going to see them all, and most of them are so slam-dunk that SCOTUS is not interested in the political ramifications of overruling them. In fact, they will very likely recuse themselves from most -- if not all -- of them.

That's the thing about the Supreme Court: It likes its independence. It is not going to become the partisan attack dog you think it will despite the prodding of the parties.


That's a breathtaking collection of random errors.

Google is your friend.
 
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