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2019-10-11 04:15:04 PM  
Why does anyone give a shiat what "Keanu Reeves with wrong number of chromosomes" has to say about anything?
 
2019-10-11 04:40:46 PM  

Mugato: Why does anyone give a shiat what "Keanu Reeves with wrong number of chromosomes" has to say about anything?


He should follow in his father's footsteps?
 
2019-10-11 04:44:25 PM  
Han Solo gave the Falcon to a girl? Has he even seen the new movies?

/Han's dead (sorry, spoilers)
 
2019-10-11 04:45:56 PM  

ZMugg: Mugato: Why does anyone give a shiat what "Keanu Reeves with wrong number of chromosomes" has to say about anything?

He should follow in his father's footsteps?


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i mean, you're not wrong, but still.
 
2019-10-11 04:59:20 PM  
Shut up and play big band jazz, Iron Man.
 
2019-10-11 05:04:12 PM  

Mugato: Why does anyone give a shiat what "Keanu Reeves with wrong number of chromosomes" has to say about anything?


Because he was the jedi master in one of the best Star Wars properties?
 
2019-10-11 05:09:20 PM  
Didn't know Prinze had kids, thought his Purple Rain movie was ok.
 
2019-10-11 05:17:24 PM  

tom baker's scarf: ZMugg: Mugato: Why does anyone give a shiat what "Keanu Reeves with wrong number of chromosomes" has to say about anything?

He should follow in his father's footsteps?

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i mean, you're not wrong, but still.


Too soon.
 
2019-10-11 05:24:56 PM  
He lost me at "He gets a fairy godfather ... who teaches him how to use the force in no time flat". It showed how close minded (and gender fixated) he is since the entire complaint about Rey is NOT her gender, it is that Luke was trained over _2_ movies and she beat him without any training at all.

Those interviewers are horrible and should have called him out on the gender stuff.
 
2019-10-11 05:52:17 PM  

CommonName2: He lost me at "He gets a fairy godfather ... who teaches him how to use the force in no time flat". It showed how close minded (and gender fixated) he is since the entire complaint about Rey is NOT her gender, it is that Luke was trained over _2_ movies and she beat him without any training at all.

Those interviewers are horrible and should have called him out on the gender stuff.


I mean....I won't speak for you or your gripes, but there was a fair amount of misogyny out there around there being a woman lead....and an awful lot of racism about a black lead ....then there was the Whole Kellie Marie Tran thing...which was both.

There are certainly canon gripes to be had, but to deny that the internet was full of vitriol because the lead wasn't packing a dong and white is silly.
 
2019-10-11 06:02:05 PM  
Dude is passionate, but I'm thinking he spends way to much time reading Twitter.
 
2019-10-11 07:15:04 PM  

CommonName2: He lost me at "He gets a fairy godfather ... who teaches him how to use the force in no time flat". It showed how close minded (and gender fixated) he is since the entire complaint about Rey is NOT her gender, it is that Luke was trained over _2_ movies and she beat him without any training at all.

Those interviewers are horrible and should have called him out on the gender stuff.


So it's about ethics in Jedi training, right?
 
2019-10-11 07:48:34 PM  
Am I allowed to dislike the new movies without being called sexist or racist yet?
 
2019-10-11 07:54:45 PM  

CommonName2: He lost me at "He gets a fairy godfather ... who teaches him how to use the force in no time flat". It showed how close minded (and gender fixated) he is since the entire complaint about Rey is NOT her gender, it is that Luke was trained over _2_ movies and she beat him without any training at all.

Those interviewers are horrible and should have called him out on the gender stuff.


First of all, Freddie Prinze Jr. played a Jedi Knight in more Star Wars material than Mark Hamill, David Prowse, and Ian McDiarmid combined.

Second, he's 100% right. The Force isn't about training. It's about the will of the Force. One person can be more powerful than another without training because the force flows through them and wills it. It's about balance. When once side goes out of balance and gets too powerful, the Force will MAKE something or someone that will work to balance that out, and match it in terms of power.

Rey's power in the Force is a direct result/reaction to the return or resurgence of a powerful dark side user. As that dark side power gains, so does the light. There will ALWAYS be balance because it is the will of the Force. It's the very essence and nature of their galaxy.

Finally, REY DIDN'T "BEAT" LUKE.  How you got that out of that scene, I'll never know. Luke didn't want to fight at all and was mostly cut off from the Force, by choice. She started by striking him from behind (dick move, definitely) and then he countered every single attack she made, with ease, with a weather vane as a weapon.  He WON and disarmed her, casing aside his weapon ON PURPOSE in an attempt to end the conflict PEACEFULLY. Then Rey Force-pulled and ignited the only lightsaber on the island and Luke reacted by stepping backwards, hitting a rock, and stumbling. That was it. He didn't have a lightsaber, he was mostly cut off from the Force (though still using it a little, since he stopped his fall with the Force) and she didn't even swing the lightsaber. He didn't lose the fight. SHE lost the fight because after he easily beat her, she had to resort to holding up a lightsaber against an unarmed opponent who didn't want to fight in the first place.

And the fact that you don't get that is why you don't understand the Force (or at least didn't pay attention to the farking movie) at all. Her use of a lightsaber against a now-unarmed foe who had disarmed her without harming her was a FAILURE to win, just like Luke bringing the lightsaber into the Force cave on Dagobah was a failure.

Aggression is failure. She failed. He won. She never disarmed, hit, or harmed him. He only stumbled because he was surprised she would resort to pulling a damn lightsaber on him. Aggression. Anger. He was shocked by her ease with falling to actions that would be undoubtedly dark sided.
 
2019-10-11 07:56:11 PM  
I've been thinking about this for a while now since I frequent a lot of Star Wars forums and groups on different sites. Mostly just lurking and skimming the comments, and honestly gender and ethnicity of characters tends not to come up at all. You'll get more vitriol from the fandom if you infer that a character is a Grey Jedi, or that a Grey Jedi is even a thing, they're not, but that's not important right now. Women have always played a major role in Star Wars, from the movies to the EU.https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/C​ateg​ory:Females As for race, there are over 250 different races that have appeared in Star Wars. Anyone complaining about the race of a human character is probably doing the same about people in their daily lives. It's not a symptom of the fandom, just garbage people that also happen to feel passionate about a movie.

Honestly, the people screaming "go cry more fanboi" tend to bring up the topic of gender and race more than anyone else. I get it, you're tired of hearing people lament the current direction of a franchise that you probably really didn't care deeply about, and calling someone racist or misogynistic is an easy shutdown. Yeah, the racist and incels harassed actors and actresses off of social media; kind of like they do with anyone they see as an accessible high profile target, and that's terrible and indefensible. If you're that type of person, the real fans don't want anything to do with you.

Most of the hate I read about the Disney era is directed at the laziness of TFA, the atrocious writing from TLJ, and the disrespectful way they handled long established characters. It may not mean much to you, but some of us have really invested a lot of time & money and gotten a lot back from the franchise over the last 42 years, so we're a little protective of it. When we see it being handled carelessly, we speak up because we want it to keep being successful and keep bringing us and fans still to come joy for years.

/end rant
 
2019-10-11 07:59:30 PM  

CommonName2: He lost me at "He gets a fairy godfather ... who teaches him how to use the force in no time flat". It showed how close minded (and gender fixated) he is since the entire complaint about Rey is NOT her gender, it is that Luke was trained over _2_ movies and she beat him without any training at all.

Those interviewers are horrible and should have called him out on the gender stuff.


How much training did Luke get? He played with a remote for a few minutes and hopped around with  Yoda for a couple days. He knew how to move his lightsaber into his hand on Hoth without even seeing the trick done. And he held his own against Vader with no lightsaber training that we saw. You could argue that Vader held back but still
 
2019-10-11 07:59:46 PM  

Heavy Metal Nixon: Am I allowed to dislike the new movies without being called sexist or racist yet?


Considering the trilogy isn't over, you might want to wait until they're all out and the whole story is told before making a final decision.

You can dislike them, but if your entire critique boils down to "RARGH REY IS A MARY SUE AND HOLDO IS A BIATCH WHO SHOULD HAVE TOLD POE WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND ROSE IS AWFUL I HATE HER" then yeah, you're probably a sexist and/or racist, and might consider examining your reasons for hating the movies.
 
2019-10-11 08:07:10 PM  

Mugato: How much training did Luke get? He played with a remote for a few minutes and hopped around with  Yoda for a couple days. He knew how to move his lightsaber into his hand on Hoth without even seeing the trick done. And he held his own against Vader with no lightsaber training that we saw. You could argue that Vader held back but still


In defense of those "Luke had training" folks, technically, the trip from Tatooine to Alderaan is just under 2 days in the Millennium Falcon. The time passes without us seeing it, but we do see that he's spending that time doing some very basic training. We also have to assume he sleeps, eats, and does other things in that 2 days. So, realistically, he had (at most) 24 hours of actual time to train.

However, training does not matter. It's not about training. It's about the need and will of the Force. Training hones skills, but it's not necessary to be a powerful Force user. The Force chooses. The Force guides and enhances. Rey learned all she needed to learn to be able to do what she did in TFA and TLJ from her mind-meld with Kylo Ren. He unintentionally transferred much of his knowledge (and possibly some of his persona) into her, and she into him. After that exchange, she understand some of the Force abilities and was able to use them. She already had power. From him, she gained knowledge.

But you don't need to train. You just need to know it's possible, and then DO it. Just like Yoda always said. Luke's problem was that he didn't believe it. He was always a doubter. He had too much of his Uncle's pessimism and shiat-talking about the Force in him, and had to go through a "reset" of his brain and beliefs in order to truly embrace the Force and do everything he always could have done, if only he'd let himself go and accepted the will of the Force.

People crying "TRAINING!" have missed the point, entirely.
 
2019-10-11 08:18:37 PM  
Jaymi77:

Most of the hate I read about the Disney era is directed at the laziness of TFA, the atrocious writing from TLJ, and the disrespectful way they handled long established characters. It may not mean much to you, but some of us have really invested a lot of time & money and gotten a lot back from the franchise over the last 42 years, so we're a little protective of it.

Who was handled in a disrespectful manner?
Leia who was shown as absolute and well regarded leader of the opposition?
Han who got to show off as a badass at 72 capable of killing assholes wirhout batting an eye? (After Lucas had turned him into a pussy) And who got the death HARRISON FORD always wanted.
Luke, who did nothing Yoda or Obi Wan hadn't done before?
WHO WAS DISRESPECTED?
As for your investment of time and money? NOBODY OWES YOU A GODDAMNED THING.
 
2019-10-11 08:26:17 PM  

Bslim: Jaymi77:

Most of the hate I read about the Disney era is directed at the laziness of TFA, the atrocious writing from TLJ, and the disrespectful way they handled long established characters. It may not mean much to you, but some of us have really invested a lot of time & money and gotten a lot back from the franchise over the last 42 years, so we're a little protective of it.

Who was handled in a disrespectful manner?
Leia who was shown as absolute and well regarded leader of the opposition?
Han who got to show off as a badass at 72 capable of killing assholes wirhout batting an eye? (After Lucas had turned him into a pussy) And who got the death HARRISON FORD always wanted.
Luke, who did nothing Yoda or Obi Wan hadn't done before?
WHO WAS DISRESPECTED?
As for your investment of time and money? NOBODY OWES YOU A GODDAMNED THING.



Chewie didn't get a hug, dammit!
 
2019-10-11 08:48:48 PM  
And not for the first time I will reiterate several problems with the fanboy community (aparr from mental and dietary)
1. The EU influenced vision of what Luke should have been. Luke running an academy while boinking Mara Jade, Chewie babysitting the twins most of the time and Han grumpily serving as Leia's chauffeur. That shiat was tiresome in books, ultimately leads to the Yuuzhan Vong and would be wretched onscreen.
2. Star Wars does NOT belong to the fanboys nobody forced you to invest anything, so deal.
3. Fanboys had the chance to get EXACTLY what they wanted in Solo, a white guy hero with a hot babe flying a fast ship doing not Rey things. What did they do? They threw a tantrum and boycotted! Now the don't get SQUAT.
 
2019-10-11 08:49:44 PM  

WilderKWight: Mugato: How much training did Luke get? He played with a remote for a few minutes and hopped around with  Yoda for a couple days. He knew how to move his lightsaber into his hand on Hoth without even seeing the trick done. And he held his own against Vader with no lightsaber training that we saw. You could argue that Vader held back but still

In defense of those "Luke had training" folks, technically, the trip from Tatooine to Alderaan is just under 2 days in the Millennium Falcon. The time passes without us seeing it, but we do see that he's spending that time doing some very basic training. We also have to assume he sleeps, eats, and does other things in that 2 days. So, realistically, he had (at most) 24 hours of actual time to train.

However, training does not matter. It's not about training. It's about the need and will of the Force. Training hones skills, but it's not necessary to be a powerful Force user. The Force chooses. The Force guides and enhances. Rey learned all she needed to learn to be able to do what she did in TFA and TLJ from her mind-meld with Kylo Ren. He unintentionally transferred much of his knowledge (and possibly some of his persona) into her, and she into him. After that exchange, she understand some of the Force abilities and was able to use them. She already had power. From him, she gained knowledge.

But you don't need to train. You just need to know it's possible, and then DO it. Just like Yoda always said. Luke's problem was that he didn't believe it. He was always a doubter. He had too much of his Uncle's pessimism and shiat-talking about the Force in him, and had to go through a "reset" of his brain and beliefs in order to truly embrace the Force and do everything he always could have done, if only he'd let himself go and accepted the will of the Force.

People crying "TRAINING!" have missed the point, entirely.


Eh, Luke couldn't have been on the Falcon for more than an hour. But no, training apparently doesn't matter, like I said. No one told Luke he could move shiat with his mind but he did it on Hoth.
 
2019-10-11 09:03:45 PM  
I get his point. People ruin shiat for dumb reasons; yeah, the Ewoks and Jar Jar sucked. But he *gets* the underlying pathos of "The Force." It's not magical germs that float in your blood per se, but it is incredibly connected to Eastern Toaism and Yin/Tang. Just look at some of the early drafts of Darth Vader's costume. He was a Samurai!

The dark side and the Empire represent the idea of martial thinking, of a Machiavellian idea that force is the ultimate way to bring order. The light side/Alliance represents freedom of choice, and sometimes chaos. It represents the idea that sometimes our shared histories and aspirations can bring light and wisdom.

These two opposites coexist in our world, to this day. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. I think the arc of Star Wars storytelling adheres to that, much in the same way that Tolkien mirrored the experience of WW1.
 
2019-10-11 10:38:15 PM  
Freddie Prinze Jr.?

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2019-10-11 11:16:14 PM  

WilderKWight: Then Rey Force-pulled and ignited the only lightsaber on the island


Nope.
 
2019-10-11 11:51:50 PM  

Mugato: CommonName2: He lost me at "He gets a fairy godfather ... who teaches him how to use the force in no time flat". It showed how close minded (and gender fixated) he is since the entire complaint about Rey is NOT her gender, it is that Luke was trained over _2_ movies and she beat him without any training at all.

Those interviewers are horrible and should have called him out on the gender stuff.

How much training did Luke get? He played with a remote for a few minutes and hopped around with  Yoda for a couple days. He knew how to move his lightsaber into his hand on Hoth without even seeing the trick done. And he held his own against Vader with no lightsaber training that we saw. You could argue that Vader held back but still


It's not very clear in Empire, but after the asteroid chase, Han says something like "Bespin is a long way from here but we can make it."   I believe it's in the novel that it takes them six months reach Cloud City without light speed, so Luke did spend a lot of time with Yoda.

YMMV with that answer.
 
2019-10-12 12:10:52 AM  

EvilElecBlanket: It's not very clear in Empire, but after the asteroid chase, Han says something like "Bespin is a long way from here but we can make it." I believe it's in the novel that it takes them six months reach Cloud City without light speed, so Luke did spend a lot of time with Yoda.

YMMV with that answer.


Per Lucasfilm the film novelizations (as long as they don't contradict the movies) are canon.  Luke trained with Yoda for several weeks and still got his ass handed to him by Vader.  Vader was toying with him (fighting one handed) and then Luke landed a couple of lucky shots and Vader said fark this and finished him off.

Yoda stresses how important the training is (and finishing it) so I think we can take Yoda's opinion of whether or not training is needed.  Look how long it takes Ezra to come into his own with the force.  It isn't immediate.
 
2019-10-12 03:58:29 AM  
Jaymi77: I've been thinking about this for a while now since I frequent a lot of Star Wars forums and groups on different sites. Mostly just lurking and skimming the comments, and honestly gender and ethnicity of characters tends not to come up at all. You'll get more vitriol from the fandom if you infer that a character is a Grey Jedi, or that a Grey Jedi is even a thing, they're not, but that's not important right now. Women have always played a major role in Star Wars, from the movies to the EU.https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ca​tegory:Females As for race, there are over 250 different races that have appeared in Star Wars. Anyone complaining about the race of a human character is probably doing the same about people in their daily lives. It's not a symptom of the fandom, just garbage people that also happen to feel passionate about a movie.

The gender and race doesn't come up explicitly, but isn't it funny that the main characters that aren't white men started getting hate from day 1? And that's despite Star Wars having strong female characters, and a generally diverse universe. It's almost like people who are racist and sexist know that it's not okay to just flat out say they are racist and sexist.

Honestly, the people screaming "go cry more fanboi" tend to bring up the topic of gender and race more than anyone else. I get it, you're tired of hearing people lament the current direction of a franchise that you probably really didn't care deeply about, and calling someone racist or misogynistic is an easy shutdown. Yeah, the racist and incels harassed actors and actresses off of social media; kind of like they do with anyone they see as an accessible high profile target, and that's terrible and indefensible. If you're that type of person, the real fans don't want anything to do with you.

By categorizing the racists and the sexists as "not real Star Wars fans" and separate from the community, then all you are doing is washing your hands of something that even you acknowledge is a legitimate problem. Maybe "real Star Wars fans" can't solve racism and sexism, but where the hell are you guys to even speak out against it?

Most of the hate I read about the Disney era is directed at the laziness of TFA, the atrocious writing from TLJ, and the disrespectful way they handled long established characters. It may not mean much to you, but some of us have really invested a lot of time & money and gotten a lot back from the franchise over the last 42 years, so we're a little protective of it. When we see it being handled carelessly, we speak up because we want it to keep being successful and keep bringing us and fans still to come joy for years.

All else aside, I find it fascinating that you will claim that the "real fans" will "speak up" if they don't like the quality of the movies because they feel owed, invested. However the rampant racism and sexism is just hand waved away. Fascinating.
 
2019-10-12 10:56:26 AM  

WilderKWight: Heavy Metal Nixon: Am I allowed to dislike the new movies without being called sexist or racist yet?

Considering the trilogy isn't over, you might want to wait until they're all out and the whole story is told before making a final decision.

You can dislike them, but if your entire critique boils down to "RARGH REY IS A MARY SUE AND HOLDO IS A BIATCH WHO SHOULD HAVE TOLD POE WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND ROSE IS AWFUL I HATE HER" then yeah, you're probably a sexist and/or racist, and might consider examining your reasons for hating the movies.


While I do think that rei is a Mary Sue i think that's the writters fault for wanting to take the lazy route by just making her better for reasons that don't make sense, she feels like a badly done DMPC in a D&D game.

The holdo thing I couldn't care less about.

I hate how the last Jedi handled fin, his character arc in TFA to me looked like he was going to also be a Jedi but have serious trouble with many aspects of it and at the same time develope a rivalry with rei that turns romantic which I would have really liked to have seen. If I had to make a criticism of rose it would be that to she feels like her entire character exists so that the rei and kylo relationship could be written in while pawning fin off somewhere else and throwing out most of the emotional buildup.
 
2019-10-12 11:11:31 AM  
Oh, good. I was looking forward to seeing how this whole thing dies, and it's apparently "torn asunder by multiple competing interests in an effort to get what they want out of it."
 
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