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(Do You Remember)   Dollywood being sued for singing Charlie Brown's 'Christmas Time is Here'. Quote from the lawyer - 'Wah Wah Wahwahwah Wah Wah'   (doyouremember.com) divider line
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2019-10-10 06:18:23 PM  
No one from Dollywood bothered to secure the rights to use the song? What a bunch of boobs.
 
2019-10-10 06:54:43 PM  
They didn't get the rights to it first? Jesus Christ on a birthday cake! Whoever was in charge of what I imagine to be nothing more than a saccharine farce of Christmas cheer, needs to be fired, re-hired, slapped, and fired again.

You don't mess with billionaire copyright-holding corporations. Disney is the worst of them all. Had they stolen a Disney song for their production, it would've been shut down on day 2 and Dolly Parton would be working a ticket booth at Disneyland right now.

/music teacher
//hate Disney
///Peanuts characters are boring
 
2019-10-10 07:59:06 PM  
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2019-10-10 08:25:22 PM  
I find it unlikely they didn't secure rights. No doubt somebody just wants moar.
 
2019-10-10 09:37:39 PM  
God that song is farking awful. I'd put it up there with the worst of the worst Christmas songs, and there's a lot of pretty crappy Christmas songs.
 
2019-10-10 09:42:16 PM  
It has been reported that the copyright owners for the Charlie Brown Christmas theme song are suing Dollywood for using the song.

Did the copyright owners write the song? Then go create your own shiat, you farking leaches.
 
2019-10-10 09:48:11 PM  

edmo: I find it unlikely they didn't secure rights. No doubt somebody just wants moar.


I'd bet they bought some sort of license years ago, and the plaintiffs got screwed by their record company.
 
2019-10-10 09:48:47 PM  

Mugato: It has been reported that the copyright owners for the Charlie Brown Christmas theme song are suing Dollywood for using the song.

Did the copyright owners write the song? Then go create your own shiat, you farking leaches.


FTA
Lee Mendelson Film Productions is suing Dollywood for using one of their 'Charlie Brown Christmas' songs in live performances as early as 2007.
Lee Mendelson is the writer of the song in mention.



You'd think she's too savvy of a businesswoman to let this happen.  Perhaps an underling dropped the ball.
 
2019-10-10 09:49:56 PM  
I'm surprised it wasn't Cedar Fair going after them.

Their kiddie areas are Peanuts themed and two of their parks are close enough to be competing for those who have to drive a couple to few hours to get to a big theme park (Kings Island and Carowinds).
 
2019-10-10 09:57:33 PM  
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2019-10-10 10:07:41 PM  

Cndn Bacon: God that song is farking awful. I'd put it up there with the worst of the worst Christmas songs, and there's a lot of pretty crappy Christmas songs.

SIMPLY HAVING A WONDERFUL CHRISTMAS TIME!

 
2019-10-10 10:24:10 PM  
Hope they get it worked out.  I'd hate to see Dollywood go tits up.
 
2019-10-10 10:24:51 PM  

wellreadneck: Mugato: It has been reported that the copyright owners for the Charlie Brown Christmas theme song are suing Dollywood for using the song.

Did the copyright owners write the song? Then go create your own shiat, you farking leaches.

FTA
Lee Mendelson Film Productions is suing Dollywood for using one of their 'Charlie Brown Christmas' songs in live performances as early as 2007.
Lee Mendelson is the writer of the song in mention.


You'd think she's too savvy of a businesswoman to let this happen.  Perhaps an underling dropped the ball.


That bit is wrong. Mendelssohn didn't write the song. He owned the production company. He's a hollywood exec with a portfolia of intilectural property he owns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Men​d​elson
Vince Guraraldi wrote the song.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_G​u​araldi

I imagine Dolly is kind taking "So sue me you leaches" attitude for screwing over the author of the song for all these years because he worked for 'scale' as a song contractor at the time.

So nope...none of the author's family is missing a dime from this because they haven't gotten a time for this.
It's a production company that contracted the song and other songs from the author.
The author's estate gets nothing.
 
2019-10-10 10:30:48 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Cndn Bacon: God that song is farking awful. I'd put it up there with the worst of the worst Christmas songs, and there's a lot of pretty crappy Christmas songs.

SIMPLY HAVING A WONDERFUL CHRISTMAS TIME!




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2019-10-10 10:43:03 PM  

optikeye: wellreadneck: Mugato: It has been reported that the copyright owners for the Charlie Brown Christmas theme song are suing Dollywood for using the song.

Did the copyright owners write the song? Then go create your own shiat, you farking leaches.

FTA
Lee Mendelson Film Productions is suing Dollywood for using one of their 'Charlie Brown Christmas' songs in live performances as early as 2007.
Lee Mendelson is the writer of the song in mention.


You'd think she's too savvy of a businesswoman to let this happen.  Perhaps an underling dropped the ball.

That bit is wrong. Mendelssohn didn't write the song. He owned the production company. He's a hollywood exec with a portfolia of intilectural property he owns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Mend​elson
Vince Guraraldi wrote the song.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Gu​araldi

I imagine Dolly is kind taking "So sue me you leaches" attitude for screwing over the author of the song for all these years because he worked for 'scale' as a song contractor at the time.

So nope...none of the author's family is missing a dime from this because they haven't gotten a time for this.
It's a production company that contracted the song and other songs from the author.
The author's estate gets nothing.


I kind of feel bad that I'm relieved to know the author got screwed over,
but at least not by her.
 
2019-10-10 10:58:40 PM  
I think its likely the people whose job it is to put the shows together either willfully did not get the license or was/is a complete idiot and thought the song was public domain.    Dolly herself is too smart to make a screw up like this.
 
2019-10-10 11:01:11 PM  

wellreadneck: I kind of feel bad that I'm relieved to know the author got screwed over,


Welll.....not really screwed over...aparently the Author and Producer where good friends and both of those are people are dead, it's the production company fighting it out here with Dolly

At that time in history. Production companies would hire authors to write things for them. The production company would own the rights. The production company would own the rights...the author did their contract job and 'bye bye'.So the Author isn't a dog in this fight.

And this is also tangled up with 'rights' and the definition of the rights at the time. Like rights for digital media, internet, etc, DVDs etc. (which didn't exist the time of contracts)....

And also blanket "Rights" .
Okay...walk into most bars and there's jutebox playing songs. Even Dolly Parton Songs...(and I gurentendamtee you she knows how this works).
Those boxes would be loaded by "rack jobbers"...but the royality  for the record was originally the cost of the record in that machine.....THUS ASCAP was created. So artists got a Pay Per Listen, from jute boxes. In theory.

With ASCAP royalities would be pooled and then distributed to artists based on 'page hits' kidna model.
(most bars will have a ASCAP sticker showing they paid the money to the gang)
But that payoff will give the bar/theme park/etc unlimited rights to use that stuff....the live performance thing seems to issue where.

Well, it's complicated and big rabbit hole to go down. But ultimately, it's the production company that gets the money and the artist gets the shaft.
 
2019-10-10 11:11:34 PM  

grimlock1972: I think its likely the people whose job it is to put the shows together either willfully did not get the license or was/is a complete idiot and thought the song was public domain.    Dolly herself is too smart to make a screw up like this.


There's a blanket right to music most places like Dollywood, or even your local bar pay.
But here's the thing....the Christmas time....was music piece. Which could be covered by playing it under ASCAP rules. But here's the other thing, it's a live performance...which again should be covered under the 1970's era ASCAP rules.
So, this sounds like the production company is trying to shoehorn some 'altering the deal' with licensing.

So...well, here's the current 'deal' https://www.ascap.com/help/as​cap-licen​sing
 
2019-10-10 11:46:17 PM  

optikeye: grimlock1972: I think its likely the people whose job it is to put the shows together either willfully did not get the license or was/is a complete idiot and thought the song was public domain.    Dolly herself is too smart to make a screw up like this.

There's a blanket right to music most places like Dollywood, or even your local bar pay.
But here's the thing....the Christmas time....was music piece. Which could be covered by playing it under ASCAP rules. But here's the other thing, it's a live performance...which again should be covered under the 1970's era ASCAP rules.
So, this sounds like the production company is trying to shoehorn some 'altering the deal' with licensing.

So...well, here's the current 'deal' https://www.ascap.com/help/asca​p-licensing


An ASCAP licence does not cover the rights to a song used as a part of a dramatic performance. Those rights need to be secured on an individual basis per song performed.
 
2019-10-10 11:53:47 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Peanuts characters are boring


They have potential.

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2019-10-11 12:12:04 AM  

Gordon Bennett: optikeye: grimlock1972: I think its likely the people whose job it is to put the shows together either willfully did not get the license or was/is a complete idiot and thought the song was public domain.    Dolly herself is too smart to make a screw up like this.

There's a blanket right to music most places like Dollywood, or even your local bar pay.
But here's the thing....the Christmas time....was music piece. Which could be covered by playing it under ASCAP rules. But here's the other thing, it's a live performance...which again should be covered under the 1970's era ASCAP rules.
So, this sounds like the production company is trying to shoehorn some 'altering the deal' with licensing.

So...well, here's the current 'deal' https://www.ascap.com/help/asca​p-licensing

An ASCAP licence does not cover the rights to a song used as a part of a dramatic performance. Those rights need to be secured on an individual basis per song performed.


Yes today it does..no denying that...but has it always been that way?

Because, if you go full lawyer with .that's the end of drag at the gay bar.
And Karaoke . ( not loss there)
 
2019-10-11 12:57:32 AM  

optikeye: Yes today it does..no denying that...but has it always been that way?


I don't know. As this case refers to shows performed from 2007 onwards I assume the present contract applies.

Because, if you go full lawyer with .that's the end of drag at the gay bar.
And Karaoke . ( not loss there)


This is where it gets a bit vague. A blanket ACSAP licence does cover karaoke and covers played by a live performer doing a set. It's when the songs are used as part of a scripted theatrical performance, a film or video or a video game that they need to be cleared individually. ASCAP's rationale is that songs specifically chosen to be part of a set story have more artistic significance than music played for background atmosphere thus should pay individual royalties. I suspect the real reason is that people staging a show will bring in ticket money while a bar hiring a cover band to play or hosting a karaoke night won't, and they don't want to deal with the backlash of suing bars and restaurants over those things.
 
2019-10-11 01:12:25 AM  
Now she's going to send out her elves to find places playing her works.
 
2019-10-11 01:27:26 AM  
They didn't even bother getting sued for the good one.

/my hands hurt today from overuse trying to learn this thing, that left hand is a relentless, pitiless monster

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2019-10-11 01:47:32 AM  
God, how I would shag that plastic granny.
 
2019-10-11 02:30:21 AM  
"I got a hundred thousand dollar settlement."

"I got a million dollar settlement."

"I got a rock."
 
2019-10-11 05:24:27 AM  
My sister lives in that neck of the woods and says Dollywood is great. I don't know if it'd be my bag but Dolly's supposedly a great gal and a genuinely nice person. So fark them.

Christmas music, fark. I'm holding on to Halloween like grim death.
 
2019-10-11 06:41:24 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: Cndn Bacon: God that song is farking awful. I'd put it up there with the worst of the worst Christmas songs, and there's a lot of pretty crappy Christmas songs.

SIMPLY HAVING A WONDERFUL CHRISTMAS TIME!


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2019-10-11 08:01:44 AM  
How long until crap like this goes in the public domain?
Its like having to license jingle bells.
 
2019-10-11 08:10:59 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: Cndn Bacon: God that song is farking awful. I'd put it up there with the worst of the worst Christmas songs, and there's a lot of pretty crappy Christmas songs.

SIMPLY HAVING A WONDERFUL CHRISTMAS TIME!


Was there a thread about worst Christmas songs last year?
 
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2019-10-11 09:52:39 AM  

RoLleRKoaSTeR: OtherLittleGuy: Cndn Bacon: God that song is farking awful. I'd put it up there with the worst of the worst Christmas songs, and there's a lot of pretty crappy Christmas songs.

SIMPLY HAVING A WONDERFUL CHRISTMAS TIME!

Was there a thread about worst Christmas songs last year?


Isn't there a sort if contest to see if you can make it to Xmas without hearing that song? Last year I managed to not hear it. Pretty easy since I dislike Xmas muzak. In high school I worked at Macy*s for the Xmas season. 5 nights a week getting the same songs played over and over. I now avoid it as much as I can.
 
2019-10-11 10:36:12 AM  

Mugato: My sister lives in that neck of the woods and says Dollywood is great. I don't know if it'd be my bag but Dolly's supposedly a great gal and a genuinely nice person. So fark them.

Christmas music, fark. I'm holding on to Halloween like grim death.


The Dixie Stampede is a bit...whitewashy, heh. I hear they've made some changes, like just calling it Dolly Parton's Stampede. No word on if they are going to change the storylines to mention slavery or no longer letting the South win...
 
2019-10-11 11:03:13 AM  

Mugato: My sister lives in that neck of the woods and says Dollywood is great. I don't know if it'd be my bag but Dolly's supposedly a great gal and a genuinely nice person. So fark them.

Christmas music, fark. I'm holding on to Halloween like grim death.


Dollywood is clean and well run with substantial investments made in attractions and rides and an emphasis on friendly service and creating a safe environment for a family outing. So, in those respects, it is absolutely nothing like Six Flags.
 
2019-10-11 02:20:07 PM  

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2019-10-11 06:54:34 PM  

lewintn: Dollywood is clean and well run with substantial investments made in attractions and rides and an emphasis on friendly service and creating a safe environment for a family outing. So, in those respects, it is absolutely nothing like Six Flags.


It's like Six Flags for white people.
 
2019-10-12 09:01:33 AM  

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I do love how their go-to music for depression was a Christmas song.

Jeez that song sucks.
 
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