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2019-09-21 08:33:39 AM  
The Plague, I want to speak with your manager.
 
2019-09-21 08:46:15 AM  
While it is true that there have been medical practices in the past which it turned out weren't the best for the patient.

Vaccines are not one of those things.
 
2019-09-21 08:46:54 AM  
We need a vaccine for the virulent strain of stupid our species infected with.
 
2019-09-21 09:22:07 AM  
I love this state, but there are vast areas of derp outside of the few population centers. On maps anything north of Bangor should be labeled, "here be dragons."
 
2019-09-21 09:31:17 AM  
Vaccines are only one of the greatest advances in the history of medicine.  If you like lots of dead humans, by all means, oppose vaccines.
 
2019-09-21 09:35:30 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Vaccines are only one of the greatest advances in the history of medicine.  If you like lots of dead humans, by all means, oppose vaccines.


Yes but did you know that they are a con for making money. Big Pharma makes millions a year off vaccinating children and.... oh dick pills are worth billions a year.

Well, priorities I guess
 
2019-09-21 09:36:05 AM  
I've been thinking of getting a Karen talk-to-your-manager wig and a small urn and going as a parent of an unvaccinated child for Halloween.
 
2019-09-21 09:37:45 AM  

Gubbo: Marcus Aurelius: Vaccines are only one of the greatest advances in the history of medicine.  If you like lots of dead humans, by all means, oppose vaccines.

Yes but did you know that they are a con for making money. Big Pharma makes millions a year off vaccinating children and.... oh dick pills are worth billions a year.

Well, priorities I guess


Well, you can produce more children that will die of preventable diseases!

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2019-09-21 09:39:34 AM  
Some time in the future:

Should we rescind the reversal of the revocation of the repeal of the cancellation of the overturning of a state law eliminating nonmedical vaccine exemptions for school children?
 
2019-09-21 09:40:27 AM  

Raymond Perjurytrap: Some time in the future:

Should we rescind the reversal of the revocation of the repeal of the cancellation of the overturning of a state law eliminating nonmedical vaccine exemptions for school children?


I see you're familiar with ballot initiatives.
 
2019-09-21 09:42:36 AM  
They're not pro-disease.  They think they have better ways of dealing with diseases and/or building immunity.  Or they think the vaccine is more problematic than the disease.  They're wrong, but they're not aren't in favor of diseases.  This type of language is not helpful.  It's divisive and pushes people further towards the extreme and strengthens their resolve.
 
2019-09-21 09:44:26 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: They're not pro-disease.  They think they have better ways of dealing with diseases and/or building immunity.  Or they think the vaccine is more problematic than the disease.  They're wrong, but they're not aren't in favor of diseases.  This type of language is not helpful.  It's divisive and pushes people further towards the extreme and strengthens their resolve.


It would be nice if the diseases only infected them but sadly it doesn't work that way. That is why their intellectual betters have to mandate vaccinations for their own and the rest of our good. Basically, fark their feelings.
 
2019-09-21 09:46:54 AM  
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You're f*cked up in the head, Karen this is all in your mind.
 
2019-09-21 09:48:02 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: They're not pro-disease.  They think they have better ways of dealing with diseases and/or building immunity.  Or they think the vaccine is more problematic than the disease.  They're wrong, but they're not aren't in favor of diseases.  This type of language is not helpful.  It's divisive and pushes people further towards the extreme and strengthens their resolve.


They're not honest participants in debate. Their propaganda consists entirely of lies and willful ignorance. There is NOTHING supporting any of the positions they hold in any way shape or form.

They are either consciously or subconsciously advocating for more frequent and more severe epidemics, primarily ones that kill children.
 
2019-09-21 09:50:15 AM  

Diogenes: I've been thinking of getting a Karen talk-to-your-manager wig and a small urn and going as a parent of an unvaccinated child for Halloween.


Oh, that's good.
 
2019-09-21 09:51:08 AM  

Target Builder: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: They're not pro-disease.  They think they have better ways of dealing with diseases and/or building immunity.  Or they think the vaccine is more problematic than the disease.  They're wrong, but they're not aren't in favor of diseases.  This type of language is not helpful.  It's divisive and pushes people further towards the extreme and strengthens their resolve.

They're not honest participants in debate. Their propaganda consists entirely of lies and willful ignorance. There is NOTHING supporting any of the positions they hold in any way shape or form.

They are either consciously or subconsciously advocating for more frequent and more severe epidemics, primarily ones that kill children.


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2019-09-21 09:51:47 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Vaccines are only one of the greatest advances in the history of medicine.  If you like lots of dead humans, by all means, oppose vaccines.


lots of dead humans does not sound like such a bad thing
 
2019-09-21 09:52:35 AM  

NuclearPenguins: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: They're not pro-disease.  They think they have better ways of dealing with diseases and/or building immunity.  Or they think the vaccine is more problematic than the disease.  They're wrong, but they're not aren't in favor of diseases.  This type of language is not helpful.  It's divisive and pushes people further towards the extreme and strengthens their resolve.

It would be nice if the diseases only infected them but sadly it doesn't work that way. That is why their intellectual betters have to mandate vaccinations for their own and the rest of our good. Basically, fark their feelings.


I'm not arguing against that.  I'm not saying they're right.  In fact, I said very clearly that they're wrong.  My point is that intentionally mischaracterizing them for the sake of a quick cheap shot puts people into a "fight back" mode.  It closes the door to communication rather than keeping helping them understand the reality of the situation.  It's counter productive.
 
2019-09-21 09:57:03 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: They're not pro-disease.  They think they have better ways of dealing with diseases and/or building immunity.  Or they think the vaccine is more problematic than the disease.  They're wrong, but they're not aren't in favor of diseases.  This type of language is not helpful.  It's divisive and pushes people further towards the extreme and strengthens their resolve.


Suckers are going to get suckered is the rule in play here.  Nothing short of changing human nature can ever impede that rule.
 
2019-09-21 09:59:10 AM  

Target Builder: They're not honest participants in debate. Their propaganda consists entirely of lies and willful ignorance. There is NOTHING supporting any of the positions they hold in any way shape or form.

They are either consciously or subconsciously advocating for more frequent and more severe epidemics, primarily ones that kill children.


But think of the people who are on the fence that might be reading something like this.  They're leaning a little toward antivax and they're getting bad information, but it sounds good because it's coming from a friend.  Then internet people say "They're pro disease!".  Then the seasoned antivaxer friend says, "See?  They're lying about that." (and they're right.  It is a lie) "Why should we believe anything they say?".  And that helps galvanize the new antivaxer.  Do that a few times and you helped build another tried and true antivaxer.  That sort of language is counter productive.
 
2019-09-21 10:02:26 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Target Builder: They're not honest participants in debate. Their propaganda consists entirely of lies and willful ignorance. There is NOTHING supporting any of the positions they hold in any way shape or form.

They are either consciously or subconsciously advocating for more frequent and more severe epidemics, primarily ones that kill children.

But think of the people who are on the fence that might be reading something like this.  They're leaning a little toward antivax and they're getting bad information, but it sounds good because it's coming from a friend.  Then internet people say "They're pro disease!".  Then the seasoned antivaxer friend says, "See?  They're lying about that." (and they're right.  It is a lie) "Why should we believe anything they say?".  And that helps galvanize the new antivaxer.  Do that a few times and you helped build another tried and true antivaxer.  That sort of language is counter productive.


Most Farkers have zero interest in bridging any sort of ideological divide. It's much more fun and easy to take those cheap shots than to invest time and effort into a real solution.
 
2019-09-21 10:03:04 AM  
BTW, I'm just sitting here think how weird it is that we've come to place where I say, "When arguing an important point, don't lie if you want people to believe you." and folks rush in to explain why it's fine.
 
2019-09-21 10:10:44 AM  
"Karens"? That's a thing, huh?
 
2019-09-21 10:16:44 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Then internet people say "They're pro disease!". Then the seasoned antivaxer friend says, "See? They're lying about that." (and they're right. It is a lie)


I'm sorry, but the very act of opposing vaccines is pro-disease.  No amount of logical contortion will change that fact.
 
2019-09-21 10:17:46 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Then internet people say "They're pro disease!". Then the seasoned antivaxer friend says, "See? They're lying about that." (and they're right. It is a lie)

I'm sorry, but the very act of opposing vaccines is pro-disease.  No amount of logical contortion will change that fact.


Medical reasons?
 
2019-09-21 10:18:10 AM  

BgJonson79: Most Farkers have zero interest in bridging any sort of ideological divide. It's much more fun and easy to take those cheap shots than to invest time and effort into a real solution.


I can't change their minds via evidence, logic, or facts, so what would you suggest?
 
2019-09-21 10:18:12 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: They're not pro-disease.  They think they have better ways of dealing with diseases and/or building immunity.  Or they think the vaccine is more problematic than the disease.  They're wrong, but they're not aren't in favor of diseases.  This type of language is not helpful.  It's divisive and pushes people further towards the extreme and strengthens their resolve.


So, they're pro-disease, they just don't know it.

Got it.
 
2019-09-21 10:19:38 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: BgJonson79: Most Farkers have zero interest in bridging any sort of ideological divide. It's much more fun and easy to take those cheap shots than to invest time and effort into a real solution.

I can't change their minds via evidence, logic, or facts, so what would you suggest?


Ignore then. Zero is greater than a negative number, which I believe cheap shots and name calling to be.
 
2019-09-21 10:23:48 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: "Karens"? That's a thing, huh?


Ive been thinking that it must suck to be named Karen right now.
 
2019-09-21 10:24:30 AM  

BgJonson79: Marcus Aurelius: BgJonson79: Most Farkers have zero interest in bridging any sort of ideological divide. It's much more fun and easy to take those cheap shots than to invest time and effort into a real solution.

I can't change their minds via evidence, logic, or facts, so what would you suggest?

Ignore then. Zero is greater than a negative number, which I believe cheap shots and name calling to be.


Derision and scorn is all I have left, and it's more effective than facts and logic, in any case.  Anti-vaxxers have fallen for a con, and as such, are just as likely to admit their mistake as someone that gave Bernie Madoff all their money and are making 10% returns every year.
 
2019-09-21 10:25:25 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Vaccines are only one of the greatest advances in the history of medicine.  If you like lots of dead humans, by all means, oppose vaccines.


I'm not anti vaccine, but the notion that we need to save every person on this planet and cure every disease is going to end up killing us all.  There aren't infinite resources on this planet, and trying to sustain everyone is killing the planet.  People need to die for the good of everyone.
 
2019-09-21 10:26:32 AM  

Jeebus Saves: Marcus Aurelius: Vaccines are only one of the greatest advances in the history of medicine.  If you like lots of dead humans, by all means, oppose vaccines.

I'm not anti vaccine, but the notion that we need to save every person on this planet and cure every disease is going to end up killing us all.  There aren't infinite resources on this planet, and trying to sustain everyone is killing the planet.  People need to die for the good of everyone.


I see we have another volunteer.
 
2019-09-21 10:26:51 AM  
The best thing of anti vaxxers is their kids are the first to die, meaning in the future there will be less by attrition.
 
2019-09-21 10:28:49 AM  

Jeebus Saves: Marcus Aurelius: Vaccines are only one of the greatest advances in the history of medicine.  If you like lots of dead humans, by all means, oppose vaccines.

I'm not anti vaccine, but the notion that we need to save every person on this planet and cure every disease is going to end up killing us all.  There aren't infinite resources on this planet, and trying to sustain everyone is killing the planet.  People need to die for the good of everyone.


Look, I like dying as much as the next person.  In fact one of the great pleasures I get out of life is knowing everyone is going to die eventually.  It lets me sleep at night.  But I do not want to get measles, mumps, or whooping cough, thanks.  Death is for other people, in my opinion.
 
2019-09-21 10:30:29 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Target Builder: They're not honest participants in debate. Their propaganda consists entirely of lies and willful ignorance. There is NOTHING supporting any of the positions they hold in any way shape or form.

They are either consciously or subconsciously advocating for more frequent and more severe epidemics, primarily ones that kill children.

But think of the people who are on the fence that might be reading something like this.  They're leaning a little toward antivax and they're getting bad information, but it sounds good because it's coming from a friend.  Then internet people say "They're pro disease!".  Then the seasoned antivaxer friend says, "See?  They're lying about that." (and they're right.  It is a lie) "Why should we believe anything they say?".  And that helps galvanize the new antivaxer.  Do that a few times and you helped build another tried and true antivaxer.  That sort of language is counter productive.


They are pro-disease in the exact same way Southern sheriffs were pro-rope. They want children to die unnecessarily.  That isn't a lie.  That is the direct consequence of their policies.  We didn't invent vaccines on some lark.  We did it because people were farking dying.  If you are against vaccines, you are directly advocating people farking die, because that is what happens without vaccines - nasty diseases crawl into people and farking kill them.  If someone being told these people are what they are - evil, farking murderer wannabes makes that people want to join them - then good.  I want to know who my enemies are.  I want the ones who need to be removed from interacting with children - any children, including and especially their own - to be clearly marked.
 
2019-09-21 10:30:54 AM  
If you believe your snowflakes don't need vaccinating, I believe you don't need snowflakes.
 
2019-09-21 10:31:14 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: BgJonson79: Most Farkers have zero interest in bridging any sort of ideological divide. It's much more fun and easy to take those cheap shots than to invest time and effort into a real solution.

I can't change their minds via evidence, logic, or facts, so what would you suggest?


Moar memes!
 
2019-09-21 10:34:24 AM  

Barfmaker: We need a vaccine for the virulent strain of stupid our species infected with.


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That exists.
 
2019-09-21 10:36:29 AM  

Jeebus Saves: Marcus Aurelius: Vaccines are only one of the greatest advances in the history of medicine.  If you like lots of dead humans, by all means, oppose vaccines.

I'm not anti vaccine, but the notion that we need to save every person on this planet and cure every disease is going to end up killing us all.  There aren't infinite resources on this planet, and trying to sustain everyone is killing the planet.  People need to die for the good of everyone.


Username che.....hmmmm never mind
 
2019-09-21 10:36:37 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Target Builder: They're not honest participants in debate. Their propaganda consists entirely of lies and willful ignorance. There is NOTHING supporting any of the positions they hold in any way shape or form.

They are either consciously or subconsciously advocating for more frequent and more severe epidemics, primarily ones that kill children.

But think of the people who are on the fence that might be reading something like this.  They're leaning a little toward antivax and they're getting bad information, but it sounds good because it's coming from a friend.  Then internet people say "They're pro disease!".  Then the seasoned antivaxer friend says, "See?  They're lying about that." (and they're right.  It is a lie) "Why should we believe anything they say?".  And that helps galvanize the new antivaxer.  Do that a few times and you helped build another tried and true antivaxer.  That sort of language is counter productive.


Dude, there is a cornucopia of friendly data based info out there preaching the good work of vaccines. Doctors professionally trained in bedside manner, public health figures, school teachers and administrators, tons of friendly, relatable people singing the praises of vaccines.

If Fark and facebook are where you are going for you medical infomation, you not only deserve all the ridicule you get, but frankly for the sake of humanity you should be required to tie yourself to a large rock and take a long walk off the short ledge of a tall cliff that may or may not have a river at the bottom.
 
2019-09-21 10:38:16 AM  
They're already upset that Trashcan Man burned up old lady Semple's pension check.
 
2019-09-21 10:38:17 AM  

Jeebus Saves: Marcus Aurelius: Vaccines are only one of the greatest advances in the history of medicine.  If you like lots of dead humans, by all means, oppose vaccines.

I'm not anti vaccine, but the notion that we need to save every person on this planet and cure every disease is going to end up killing us all.  There aren't infinite resources on this planet, and trying to sustain everyone is killing the planet.  People need to die for the good of everyone.


Also. At no point have we ever cared about trying to save every person on the planet, so you're safe there.

In addition, we have eradicated exactly one disease, and while it was an extraordinary achievement, it's still just one.

/ok two if we count cowpox but humans get catch that one
 
2019-09-21 10:39:28 AM  

tjsands1118: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Target Builder: They're not honest participants in debate. Their propaganda consists entirely of lies and willful ignorance. There is NOTHING supporting any of the positions they hold in any way shape or form.

They are either consciously or subconsciously advocating for more frequent and more severe epidemics, primarily ones that kill children.

But think of the people who are on the fence that might be reading something like this.  They're leaning a little toward antivax and they're getting bad information, but it sounds good because it's coming from a friend.  Then internet people say "They're pro disease!".  Then the seasoned antivaxer friend says, "See?  They're lying about that." (and they're right.  It is a lie) "Why should we believe anything they say?".  And that helps galvanize the new antivaxer.  Do that a few times and you helped build another tried and true antivaxer.  That sort of language is counter productive.

Dude, there is a cornucopia of friendly data based info out there preaching the good work of vaccines. Doctors professionally trained in bedside manner, public health figures, school teachers and administrators, tons of friendly, relatable people singing the praises of vaccines.

If Fark and facebook are where you are going for you medical infomation, you not only deserve all the ridicule you get, but frankly for the sake of humanity you should be required to tie yourself to a large rock and take a long walk off the short ledge of a tall cliff that may or may not have a river at the bottom.


You mock people for getting their information from Facebook, and you're correct that it is a terrible source. But a huge number of people rely on Facebook for exactly this purpose.
 
2019-09-21 10:43:16 AM  
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2019-09-21 10:44:08 AM  

BgJonson79: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Target Builder: They're not honest participants in debate. Their propaganda consists entirely of lies and willful ignorance. There is NOTHING supporting any of the positions they hold in any way shape or form.

They are either consciously or subconsciously advocating for more frequent and more severe epidemics, primarily ones that kill children.

But think of the people who are on the fence that might be reading something like this.  They're leaning a little toward antivax and they're getting bad information, but it sounds good because it's coming from a friend.  Then internet people say "They're pro disease!".  Then the seasoned antivaxer friend says, "See?  They're lying about that." (and they're right.  It is a lie) "Why should we believe anything they say?".  And that helps galvanize the new antivaxer.  Do that a few times and you helped build another tried and true antivaxer.  That sort of language is counter productive.

Most Farkers have zero interest in bridging any sort of ideological divide. It's much more fun and easy to take those cheap shots than to invest time and effort into a real solution.


The real solution is vaccinating the damn kids.  The options are (1) let kids die in entirely and easily preventable ways, or (2) we let them live.  So what is your halfway solution?  How many children should we execute to appease the anti-vaxxers?  Because that is the direct result of their policies - children farking die.  So what is the goddamned number?  Let's do this half-way solution.  You give me the number of acceptable sacrifices and I will make sure they die in as quick and painless a way as possible, so at least they don't suffer through weeks or months of debilitating sickness.  Or, at least let me give them something particularly quick like ebola so that the Nurgleites are happy with the method and the kids are gone in a few days.  So, what is the number?  Just tell me the number of kids you want dead.
 
2019-09-21 10:46:46 AM  
Also being the millitary, I see zero chance of a religious freedom exemption, as they need soilders to be ready for anything and even if smallpox were just mild, it still has the potential of putting 10-15% of soilders on bed rest for a week or two, which would be problematic regularly and in times of war, down right crippling.

And you think the religious point of "thou shall not kill" would disqualify any religious person from joining the millitary anyways, but I suppose they are chaplains.
 
2019-09-21 10:47:11 AM  
"WHEN DO WE WANT OUR KIDS VACCINATED? AFTER WE SPEAK TO THE MANAGER!"
 
2019-09-21 10:48:39 AM  

Gubbo: Jeebus Saves: Marcus Aurelius: Vaccines are only one of the greatest advances in the history of medicine.  If you like lots of dead humans, by all means, oppose vaccines.

I'm not anti vaccine, but the notion that we need to save every person on this planet and cure every disease is going to end up killing us all.  There aren't infinite resources on this planet, and trying to sustain everyone is killing the planet.  People need to die for the good of everyone.

Also. At no point have we ever cared about trying to save every person on the planet, so you're safe there.

In addition, we have eradicated exactly one disease, and while it was an extraordinary achievement, it's still just one.

/ok two if we count cowpox but humans get catch that one


We have vaccines for stupid shiat like chicken pox and the flu.  Life expectancy has gone way up as we do our best to cure cancer and push healthy lifestyles.  We work pretty hard and pour billions of dollars into trying to keep people alive.  So while not having hospitals filled with polio patients is good, at some point we have to let nature do its thing.
 
2019-09-21 10:51:06 AM  
I have some bad news for you rational people.
The RFRA plus Trump's judicial appointments mean we are going to lose this one.
Superstition is the law of the land now.
Elections have consequences.
Hope y'all get "inspired" next time around.
 
2019-09-21 10:51:26 AM  

Gubbo: tjsands1118: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Target Builder: They're not honest participants in debate. Their propaganda consists entirely of lies and willful ignorance. There is NOTHING supporting any of the positions they hold in any way shape or form.

They are either consciously or subconsciously advocating for more frequent and more severe epidemics, primarily ones that kill children.

But think of the people who are on the fence that might be reading something like this.  They're leaning a little toward antivax and they're getting bad information, but it sounds good because it's coming from a friend.  Then internet people say "They're pro disease!".  Then the seasoned antivaxer friend says, "See?  They're lying about that." (and they're right.  It is a lie) "Why should we believe anything they say?".  And that helps galvanize the new antivaxer.  Do that a few times and you helped build another tried and true antivaxer.  That sort of language is counter productive.

Dude, there is a cornucopia of friendly data based info out there preaching the good work of vaccines. Doctors professionally trained in bedside manner, public health figures, school teachers and administrators, tons of friendly, relatable people singing the praises of vaccines.

If Fark and facebook are where you are going for you medical infomation, you not only deserve all the ridicule you get, but frankly for the sake of humanity you should be required to tie yourself to a large rock and take a long walk off the short ledge of a tall cliff that may or may not have a river at the bottom.

You mock people for getting their information from Facebook, and you're correct that it is a terrible source. But a huge number of people rely on Facebook for exactly this purpose.


If you told me a large amount of people go blind from staring at the sun, I would still mock staring at the sun.

Just because people do stupid things doesn't make those things any less stupid. It just means those people are stupid.
 
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