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2019-09-17 10:50:33 PM  
Keene
 
2019-09-17 10:57:42 PM  
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2019-09-17 11:02:48 PM  

TomTudbury: Keene


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2019-09-17 11:03:17 PM  
Two men designated as safety officers at the Cheshire County Shooting Sports Education Foundation suffered gunshot wounds when one of them mistook a loaded gun for a training gun during a presentation on Sunday, according to police.

The only activity listed for that day on the club's calendar was the "Republican Shoot," also known as the Al Kulas Shoot - a Republican committee fundraiser named in honor of deceased local radio host Al Kulas.


More and more I favor flooding the U.S. market with ammo and letting things sort themselves out.

Then I remember in the hands of even the most developmentally-disabled person, the muzzle of the weapon points outward.
 
2019-09-17 11:04:56 PM  
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2019-09-17 11:06:46 PM  
*insert Dick Cheney joke here*
 
2019-09-17 11:07:18 PM  
Drew took up shooting?
 
2019-09-17 11:08:55 PM  
"It was clearly an accident," Tenney said.

a-n a-c-c-i-d-e-n-t is a strange way to misspell negligence.
 
2019-09-17 11:09:36 PM  
The stupid.

These were the safety officers breaking, well, pretty much every rule of gun safety. Assume it's loaded. Keep it pointed in a safe direction. Don't point it at anything you don't intend to shoot. And until you're ready to fire, keep your booger picker off the trigger.
 
2019-09-17 11:12:43 PM  
Two men designated as safety officers at the Cheshire County Shooting Sports Education Foundation suffered gunshot wounds when one of them mistook a loaded gun for a training gun during a presentation on Sunday, according to police.

"Designated"? I think they meant to say "disguised".
 
2019-09-17 11:15:44 PM  
The gun went off...

Guns seem to have a high propensity for this.
 
2019-09-17 11:17:06 PM  
"It was clearly an accident," Tenney said.

This is going to trigger some people.
 
2019-09-17 11:17:23 PM  

trappedspirit: The gun went off...

Guns seem to have a high propensity for this.


Technically, it's what they are designed to do.
 
2019-09-17 11:18:29 PM  
"Shooting events have become a popular fundraising method. "


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2019-09-17 11:18:51 PM  

mcmnky: The stupid.

These were the safety officers breaking, well, pretty much every rule of gun safety. Assume it's loaded. Keep it pointed in a safe direction. Don't point it at anything you don't intend to shoot. And until you're ready to fire, keep your booger picker off the trigger.


Came here to chant "The gun is always loaded".

How did BOTH of these numskulls get injured?
 
2019-09-17 11:19:18 PM  
The gun went off during the presentation and one trainer was shot in the hand, and the other in the abdomen, Tenney said.

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2019-09-17 11:20:02 PM  

trappedspirit: "It was clearly an accident," Tenney said.

This is going to trigger some people.


It already did. They were called "safety officers" for some reason. Hopefully, they'll at least lose that dubious designation.
 
2019-09-17 11:20:29 PM  

mcmnky: The stupid.

These were the safety officers breaking, well, pretty much every rule of gun safety. Assume it's loaded. Keep it pointed in a safe direction. Don't point it at anything you don't intend to shoot. And until you're ready to fire, keep your booger picker off the trigger.


They're officers, duh. Rules don't apply to them because they're 'highly' 'trained'
 
2019-09-17 11:21:00 PM  

skinink: "Shooting events have become a popular fundraising method. "
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Prevention is very, very important.
I'd also look into the "regularly happens" bit.
 
2019-09-17 11:22:15 PM  

Resident Muslim: mcmnky: The stupid.

These were the safety officers breaking, well, pretty much every rule of gun safety. Assume it's loaded. Keep it pointed in a safe direction. Don't point it at anything you don't intend to shoot. And until you're ready to fire, keep your booger picker off the trigger.

Came here to chant "The gun is always loaded".

How did BOTH of these numskulls get injured?


At least one of them mistook a real gun for a training gun. Which raises the question, "Why does a training gun have to look like a real gun? Can't they paint it orange or something so it looks different?"
 
2019-09-17 11:23:04 PM  
"safety officers"
"military intelligence"
"jumbo shrimp"
 
2019-09-17 11:23:52 PM  
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2019-09-17 11:24:37 PM  

Running Wild: "It was clearly an accident," Tenney said.

a-n a-c-c-i-d-e-n-t is a strange way to misspell negligence.


And Tenney oddly rhymes with Cheney
 
2019-09-17 11:25:33 PM  
I notice a distinct lack of names listed for the 'safety' 'officers'

Bob: Hey Jim, what was it that killed Brandon Lee again?

Jim: Well technically I think it was a prop gun but there's no way one of those could kill you

Bob: I know, right? Check this out *bang*

Jim: ....
 
2019-09-17 11:26:49 PM  

Johnny Stalker Black: trappedspirit: "It was clearly an accident," Tenney said.

This is going to trigger some people.

It already did. They were called "safety officers" for some reason. Hopefully, they'll at least lose that dubious designation.


Well, the kids did learn an important lesson.

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2019-09-17 11:30:07 PM  

Johnny Stalker Black: Resident Muslim: mcmnky: The stupid.

These were the safety officers breaking, well, pretty much every rule of gun safety. Assume it's loaded. Keep it pointed in a safe direction. Don't point it at anything you don't intend to shoot. And until you're ready to fire, keep your booger picker off the trigger.

Came here to chant "The gun is always loaded".

How did BOTH of these numskulls get injured?

At least one of them mistook a real gun for a training gun. Which raises the question, "Why does a training gun have to look like a real gun? Can't they paint it orange or something so it looks different?"


Think about the sequence of events that had to occur for this to happen to way they claim. One of the "safety officers" allowed a loaded fire arm out of his control and into a position where it was confused for a training model. Essentially three card monty but the red queen was a loaded gun.

In the same situation, I might just say I shot the guy on purpose rather than admit to being that negligent, careless, thoughtless, and irresponsible with a deadly weapon.
 
2019-09-17 11:30:18 PM  
The gun went off during the presentation and one trainer was shot in the hand, and the other in the abdomen...

Can't you get pregnant from that?

/I'm only assuming he wanks with his off hand
 
2019-09-17 11:31:59 PM  

TomTudbury: Johnny Stalker Black: trappedspirit: "It was clearly an accident," Tenney said.

This is going to trigger some people.

It already did. They were called "safety officers" for some reason. Hopefully, they'll at least lose that dubious designation.

Well, the kids did learn an important lesson.

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That's how my dad taught me not to play with matches. He let me play with matches.
 
2019-09-17 11:32:42 PM  
Now hang on a second...how were BOTH officers shot when 1 training gun was in play?

Now I'm picturing a couple of glocks with little tiny training wheels on the handles
 
2019-09-17 11:36:09 PM  
Guns work. That's why you don't see any derogatory Muhammad cartons in major newspaper. The power of the pen vs. reality.
 
2019-09-17 11:38:21 PM  

mcmnky: Johnny Stalker Black: Resident Muslim: mcmnky: The stupid.

These were the safety officers breaking, well, pretty much every rule of gun safety. Assume it's loaded. Keep it pointed in a safe direction. Don't point it at anything you don't intend to shoot. And until you're ready to fire, keep your booger picker off the trigger.

Came here to chant "The gun is always loaded".

How did BOTH of these numskulls get injured?

At least one of them mistook a real gun for a training gun. Which raises the question, "Why does a training gun have to look like a real gun? Can't they paint it orange or something so it looks different?"

Think about the sequence of events that had to occur for this to happen to way they claim. One of the "safety officers" allowed a loaded fire arm out of his control and into a position where it was confused for a training model. Essentially three card monty but the red queen was a loaded gun.

In the same situation, I might just say I shot the guy on purpose rather than admit to being that negligent, careless, thoughtless, and irresponsible with a deadly weapon.


One leads to a courtroom, the other just makes you a "responsible gun owner" (which is, apparently, a demotion for "safety officers").

Now, in all seriousness, I know there are a few bona fide responsible gun owners on Fark. But like "good cops" who clam up when the overzealous staffer police officer does something blatantly illegal, I bet none of the responsible gun owners who were at the gun range when Goofus and Gallant Goofus-er were giving the demo spoke up about how they violated one of the cardinal rules of gun safety. That makes them complicit.
 
2019-09-17 11:41:05 PM  

TorpedoOrca: Now hang on a second...how were BOTH officers shot when 1 training gun was in play?

Now I'm picturing a couple of glocks with little tiny training wheels on the handles


That was my first question. The second is why was there a second injury. As soon as one happened that should have been an instant EndEx. Unless they both had real, loaded guns and the first one to be injured pulled the trigger as a reflex. That would imply doible-triple safety failure.
 
2019-09-17 11:42:23 PM  
Farking seriously?

ALL GUNS ARE LOADED ALL THE TIME.

That's the number one gun safety rule.  NEVER treat a gun as if it's not real unless you are 100% certain that it's not loaded, and even then never farking point it at somebody.

My personal test is that I will remove the magazine and stick my pinky finger in the chamber.  Yes, there's a risk that I'll drop the slide and pinch myself.  But if my finger fits in there, there's not a bullet in there.  And I'm STILL not gonna point it at anything living.

If my pinky won't go in the chamber, then it's farking loaded.

But even if it will, I'm not gonna point it at anybody.
 
2019-09-17 11:51:21 PM  

Shrapnel: The gun went off during the presentation and one trainer was shot in the hand, and the other in the abdomen...

Can't you get pregnant from that?

/I'm only assuming he wanks with his off hand


A man went to his doctor complaining about severe pain in his toes. The doctor examined the man's feet and announced, "you have a very rare ailment...gonorrhea of the toes."

The man was flabbergasted. "That's incredible, doc," he said. "I bet you've never seen anything as unusual in your life,"

"Yes I have," said the doctor. "Why, just yesterday I treated a patient with athlete's vagina."
 
2019-09-17 11:52:23 PM  

TomTudbury: trappedspirit: The gun went off...

Guns seem to have a high propensity for this.

Technically, it's what they are designed to do.


Usually they are designed to require some outside influence before going off.  I guess there may be the outlier.  But didn't think their main design was to just go off.
 
2019-09-18 12:03:31 AM  
Another example of political projectile dysfunction.
 
2019-09-18 12:44:32 AM  

Hoopy Frood: Two men designated as safety officers at the Cheshire County Shooting Sports Education Foundation suffered gunshot wounds when one of them mistook a loaded gun for a training gun during a presentation on Sunday, according to police.

"Designated"? I think they meant to say "disguised".


Any time I am gonna pull the trigger on a gun that I am not  intimately familiar with (I haven't personally unloaded and kept with me since I did) and I dont want it to go ban,, I check it to see if the magazine is clear and its unloaded. Then I check it again. Then I check one more time.

If it *is* a weapon I've personally unloaded and kept with me the whole time, and I want to pull the trigger but I don't want it to go bang, I check to make sure the magazine is clear and the weapon unloaded. Then I check it again.
 
2019-09-18 12:45:37 AM  
This was not "an accident"; this was negligence.

Someone was careless with a loaded gun, put it down and walked away

Someone picked up an unknown gun and failed to clear it

Someone pointed a gun and pulled the trigger without being certain of their backstop

To me, here's the real kicker, "training guns" (used in classrooms and for demonstrations) should always be blue or orange solid plastic (with the exception of maintenance training). They look like real guns in terms of size and shape, but definitely weigh less, have no moving parts are are made of colored plastic. It's impossible to mistake a real gun for a proper training gun.

My guesses?
1) someone was too cheap or lazy to get a proper training gun so they decided to use a real gun
2) said real gun was loaded when it was offered up for use and the guy who provided it did not clear it
3) the trainer failed to clear it properly

It would not surprise me if alcohol was involved and/or if one of the "safety officers" was an actual cop (familiarity breeds contempt).
 
2019-09-18 12:49:16 AM  

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The hell madness is that? Dogs dont mind their tails being chopped off if you use a high enough quality axe?
"Oh shiat! Its tail docking day! How am I gonna get out of....oh shiat! Is that a Keen axe? It mothafarking is! Damn son! You a player for sure! Go on with your bad self, and give that tail a chop! Didn't like it anyway, yo. Never could catch that biatch.

/dont know why my dog talks like that.
 
2019-09-18 12:53:32 AM  

trappedspirit: "It was clearly an accident," Tenney said.

This is going to trigger some people.


But guns don't fire themselves whargarbl.
 
2019-09-18 01:19:10 AM  

Johnny Stalker Black: mcmnky: Johnny Stalker Black: Resident Muslim: mcmnky: The stupid.

These were the safety officers breaking, well, pretty much every rule of gun safety. Assume it's loaded. Keep it pointed in a safe direction. Don't point it at anything you don't intend to shoot. And until you're ready to fire, keep your booger picker off the trigger.

Came here to chant "The gun is always loaded".

How did BOTH of these numskulls get injured?

At least one of them mistook a real gun for a training gun. Which raises the question, "Why does a training gun have to look like a real gun? Can't they paint it orange or something so it looks different?"

Think about the sequence of events that had to occur for this to happen to way they claim. One of the "safety officers" allowed a loaded fire arm out of his control and into a position where it was confused for a training model. Essentially three card monty but the red queen was a loaded gun.

In the same situation, I might just say I shot the guy on purpose rather than admit to being that negligent, careless, thoughtless, and irresponsible with a deadly weapon.

One leads to a courtroom, the other just makes you a "responsible gun owner" (which is, apparently, a demotion for "safety officers").

Now, in all seriousness, I know there are a few bona fide responsible gun owners on Fark. But like "good cops" who clam up when the overzealous staffer police officer does something blatantly illegal, I bet none of the responsible gun owners who were at the gun range when Goofus and Gallant Goofus-er were giving the demo spoke up about how they violated one of the cardinal rules of gun safety. That makes them complicit.


No, they are probably super pissed at these two guys and will likely want them banned.
 
2019-09-18 01:54:11 AM  
Probably went through the hand and into the abdomen.
 
2019-09-18 01:59:52 AM  
Sounds like this so-called "Republican shoot" lived up to it's name. Much like how one does not want to be a turkey at a turkey shoot, you probably don't want to be a Republican at a Republican shoot.
 
2019-09-18 06:23:02 AM  

toddalmighty: Probably went through the hand and into the abdomen.


Someone cheated and read TFA.
 
2019-09-18 07:06:42 AM  
I've been there.   They've held primitive biathlons there twice, and it's within reasonable driving distance from me.

Last time the course was much tougher than the first time.  First time you actually needed snowshoes because the snow was literally hip-deep, and not enough competitors to keep it packed down, but the course was reasonable

This last time?  No real snow, but definitely harder.   I didn't realize you could have a swamp on a hill-side.  My dad and I helped a guy who couldn't get his flintlock to shoot.  He needed a new flint, and to keep his vent clear.

I hope it wasn't Jean.
 
2019-09-18 07:25:44 AM  

Resident Muslim: mcmnky: The stupid.

These were the safety officers breaking, well, pretty much every rule of gun safety. Assume it's loaded. Keep it pointed in a safe direction. Don't point it at anything you don't intend to shoot. And until you're ready to fire, keep your booger picker off the trigger.

Came here to chant "The gun is always loaded".

How did BOTH of these numskulls get injured?


Better question is who designated them as safety officers.
 
2019-09-18 07:35:48 AM  

p89tech: This was not "an accident"; this was negligence.

Someone was careless with a loaded gun, put it down and walked away

Someone picked up an unknown gun and failed to clear it

Someone pointed a gun and pulled the trigger without being certain of their backstop

To me, here's the real kicker, "training guns" (used in classrooms and for demonstrations) should always be blue or orange solid plastic (with the exception of maintenance training). They look like real guns in terms of size and shape, but definitely weigh less, have no moving parts are are made of colored plastic. It's impossible to mistake a real gun for a proper training gun.

My guesses?
1) someone was too cheap or lazy to get a proper training gun so they decided to use a real gun
2) said real gun was loaded when it was offered up for use and the guy who provided it did not clear it
3) the trainer failed to clear it properly

It would not surprise me if alcohol was involved and/or if one of the "safety officers" was an actual cop (familiarity breeds contempt).


As someone who did a 2 day pistol course this weekend, there are points where the real thing is needed which was mostly the trainer demonstrating what he wanted us to do which was pretty much all the time, he was very diligent in making sure the gun was unloaded when not needing to go bang and didn't point it at anyone. Kind of expect that of someone who has SWAT and govt (as in high level) protection on his resume.  If it was a course involving how to defend yourself against someone with a gun then yeah training guns would be a must.
 
2019-09-18 08:16:35 AM  
Keene has some of the most unqualified " cops" I've ever seen. Most of them are straight out of high school and weened on Murdoch cop shows. And they are very fond of topping a person on the slimmest of pretexts and issuing tickets for bullschit to fund their latest model cop cars including those armored militarized assault vehicles for a town of some 20,000 and a very low crime rate.
 
2019-09-18 08:26:34 AM  
So... the safety officer holding the gun put his free hand over the end of the barrel and pointed it at the other officer's abdomen, then pulled the trigger?

Or he shot himself in the hand and as he tried to drop the gun he flailed wildly and fired again, striking the other man.

Can you imagine the casualties at that place if they had other types of munitions there?
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2019-09-18 09:10:27 AM  
Let's stop for a minute, and think about all the people who are affected by gun violence and silenced by the night.  Is it any wonder that everybody's changing their opinions on gun issues?   Somewhere, only we know what the best path really is.  Everyone says, "This is the last time", but, then we have another incident, this time in Keene.
 
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