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2019-09-11 10:27:48 AM  
Fair statement, subby. I'm on Twitter most nights (reading before I go to sleep), and the progressives are widely retweeted, but that's where it stops.
 
2019-09-11 10:40:33 AM  
Biden is a known quantity who wants to take people back to when they were comfortable. You can argue all day that they shouldn't have been comfortable, but they were.
 
2019-09-11 02:13:55 PM  
A Biden nomination affords progressives of a certain stripe their dream scenario: An opportunity for a protest vote/non-vote in the general, and four more years of slaking their thirst for outrage.
 
2019-09-11 03:05:16 PM  
The Biden camp says Biden is the best. They were liking Biden before it was cool to like Biden, and now they like Biden, again, because it's no longer cool to like Biden. But you won't get it.
 
2019-09-11 03:23:01 PM  
I really have nothing against Biden but he has the feel of one of those "let's just nominate the one with the longest resume" challengers like Walter Mondale, Bob Dole, John Kerry and Mitt Romney.

Still 100% committed to voting for him if he's nominated, though.
 
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2019-09-11 03:23:28 PM  
Biden says people like me don't understand his appeal. Well, they're right-- I don't. And I don't think that's a problem with me.
 
2019-09-11 03:23:46 PM  
Biden/Obama 2020?
 
2019-09-11 03:24:14 PM  

FortyHams: Biden is a known quantity who wants to take people back to when they were comfortable. You can argue all day that they shouldn't have been comfortable, but they were.


They weren't but they remember they were.
 
2019-09-11 03:25:04 PM  
I'm not confused by his resiliency compared to more progressive alternatives. I'm confused that he simultaneously has the greatest support among both black people and white, racially resentful people. How the hell can Biden be the best candidate for blacks AND the best candidate for whites who are offended by the perception that blacks are getting preferential treatment from the government?
 
2019-09-11 03:25:29 PM  
Biden is a naive old "centrist" moron, but he's leagues better than Trump. If he gets the nomination, I'll wade through farking floodwaters to vote for him.

I think Warren is our best bet, though. Younger than Trump (albeit not by much), has some actual backbone, scares the crap out of Wall Street, and has actual detailed plans.
 
2019-09-11 03:26:12 PM  

Jaws_Victim: Biden/Obama 2020?


Michelle would make a good VP.
 
2019-09-11 03:27:24 PM  
It's not about Twitter.

It's as simple as black people control the Dem nomination (despite white progressives' refusal to accept this), and they still trust Biden and they especially distrust the rest of you after 2016 (hence the sticking with the old white man bit). They went Obama over Clinton in 08, and Clinton over Bernie in 2016.  Whomever black Dem voters want is who will be the nominee in 2020.

Black Dem voters are not as far left as Gen Z whites.  Of course, if black Dem voters sense that Biden has lost it, or is otherwise not their best bet to beat the Cheeto, his polling will crater in ways unimaginable.
 
2019-09-11 03:27:40 PM  
I'm not confused in the slightest as to why an establishment piece of shiat and furthest right candidate running manages to stay on top
 
2019-09-11 03:28:27 PM  
Try reddit subby.

"I'm white youngish male, so everyone must think like me!!"
 
2019-09-11 03:28:54 PM  

Opiate of the Lasses: It's not about Twitter.

It's as simple as black people control the Dem nomination (despite white progressives' refusal to accept this), and they still trust Biden and they especially distrust the rest of you after 2016 (hence the sticking with the old white man bit). They went Obama over Clinton in 08, and Clinton over Bernie in 2016.  Whomever black Dem voters want is who will be the nominee in 2020.

Black Dem voters are not as far left as Gen Z whites.  Of course, if black Dem voters sense that Biden has lost it, or is otherwise not their best bet to beat the Cheeto, his polling will crater in ways unimaginable.


I'd like to ask black people who currently support Biden what they think about the finding that racially resentful white people support Biden more than every other alternative.
 
2019-09-11 03:29:13 PM  
"Nothing will fundamentally change if I am president."

So the wealthy power brokers of the party are happy. So they have that going for them.

Make no mistake. The progressive wing of the party will have to rip power from the corporate base.
 
2019-09-11 03:29:14 PM  
The electorate hit the snooze button on him the other two times he ran, and that was when the party as a whole was much closer to his politics.  Those Obama coattails must be pretty sturdy.
 
2019-09-11 03:29:14 PM  
It's true. There's a whole nation of Dems who are not EXTREMELY ONLINE, and they tend to be more moderate. I think a lot of them can be persuaded to support someone like Warren, because she seems like the other adult in the room. But hell, I will vote for Biden's eye clot if it comes to that.
 
2019-09-11 03:29:17 PM  

sigdiamond2000: A Biden nomination affords progressives of a certain stripe their dream scenario: An opportunity for a protest vote/non-vote in the general, and four more years of slaking their thirst for outrage.


How densely self-obsessed does someone have to be to see the world in terms like this? To be so unwilling to consider other's positions that you have to assign them fantastically outrageous motivations to make any sense of them. Epic cynicism.
 
2019-09-11 03:29:32 PM  

LarryDan43: FortyHams: Biden is a known quantity who wants to take people back to when they were comfortable. You can argue all day that they shouldn't have been comfortable, but they were.

They weren't but they remember they were.


No, most were objectively more comfortable. But, Biden's policies have ensured that the same class of people are less comfortable. Biden is promising a fix to a problem he himself helped create. It's called job security.

Unless we're talking about Biden being a president to throw us back to a time when we didn't talk about race and gender and sexuality, and were content when gays were kicked out of the military or jailed, women were told to shut up about pubic hairs on their soda cans, brown people were forcibly deported and black people knew enough to stay in their school districts.
 
2019-09-11 03:29:37 PM  

Serious Black: I'm confused that he simultaneously has the greatest support among both black people and white, racially resentful people


It makes perfect sense. Black people who want a Dem to win will support the best Dem to beat 45, eg., the one who can win back some of the racist whites who generally vote Dem but defected to vote for the Cheeto.

/we always have to account for y'all
 
2019-09-11 03:31:29 PM  
And Fark.
 
2019-09-11 03:31:51 PM  
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I'm not voting for Slow Biden of Comcast.
/Not voting for Trump either.
 
2019-09-11 03:32:01 PM  

misanthropicsob: LarryDan43: FortyHams: Biden is a known quantity who wants to take people back to when they were comfortable. You can argue all day that they shouldn't have been comfortable, but they were.

They weren't but they remember they were.

No, most were objectively more comfortable. But, Biden's policies have ensured that the same class of people are less comfortable. Biden is promising a fix to a problem he himself helped create. It's called job security.

Unless we're talking about Biden being a president to throw us back to a time when we didn't talk about race and gender and sexuality, and were content when gays were kicked out of the military or jailed, women were told to shut up about pubic hairs on their soda cans, brown people were forcibly deported and black people knew enough to stay in their school districts.


That sounds a lot like MAGA country.
 
2019-09-11 03:32:10 PM  

FortyHams: Biden is a known quantity who wants to take people back to when they were comfortable. You can argue all day that they shouldn't have been comfortable, but they were.


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And finally this one, where he was speaking to a room full of the .01%. I've seen people defend this one by saying that he was talking to the rich when he said it and not the poor as if that actually made it better.

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2019-09-11 03:32:20 PM  
Crazy, I thought it was because he's the least liberal candidate on the ticket and isn't advocating for the actual uncomfortable changes we need to make, sooner, rather than later.

The boomer generation are, frankly, a bunch of cowards who'd rather kick the can to their kids and grandkids than possibly be inconvenienced financially. Once their SSI gets cut in 2032ish, they'll suddenly wonder how everything got so bad and find a way to blame millenials for not working hard enough to support them.
 
2019-09-11 03:32:37 PM  

Opiate of the Lasses: It's not about Twitter.

It's as simple as black people control the Dem nomination (despite white progressives' refusal to accept this), and they still trust Biden and they especially distrust the rest of you after 2016 (hence the sticking with the old white man bit). They went Obama over Clinton in 08, and Clinton over Bernie in 2016.  Whomever black Dem voters want is who will be the nominee in 2020.

Black Dem voters are not as far left as Gen Z whites.  Of course, if black Dem voters sense that Biden has lost it, or is otherwise not their best bet to beat the Cheeto, his polling will crater in ways unimaginable.


Much like white voters, progressiveism is on an inverse scale with age.

Old black voters are practically Republicans while young black voters are progressive enough to hang with Bernie and Liz.

Typically, the young ones don't vote in the primaries though.
 
2019-09-11 03:33:00 PM  
 
2019-09-11 03:33:04 PM  
OVER 400 FARKING DAYS UNTIL THE ELECTION.
 
2019-09-11 03:33:15 PM  

LarryDan43: misanthropicsob: LarryDan43: FortyHams: Biden is a known quantity who wants to take people back to when they were comfortable. You can argue all day that they shouldn't have been comfortable, but they were.

They weren't but they remember they were.

No, most were objectively more comfortable. But, Biden's policies have ensured that the same class of people are less comfortable. Biden is promising a fix to a problem he himself helped create. It's called job security.

Unless we're talking about Biden being a president to throw us back to a time when we didn't talk about race and gender and sexuality, and were content when gays were kicked out of the military or jailed, women were told to shut up about pubic hairs on their soda cans, brown people were forcibly deported and black people knew enough to stay in their school districts.

That sounds a lot like MAGA country.


Biden is MAGA for Democrats.
 
2019-09-11 03:33:59 PM  

Serious Black: Opiate of the Lasses: It's not about Twitter.

It's as simple as black people control the Dem nomination (despite white progressives' refusal to accept this), and they still trust Biden and they especially distrust the rest of you after 2016 (hence the sticking with the old white man bit). They went Obama over Clinton in 08, and Clinton over Bernie in 2016.  Whomever black Dem voters want is who will be the nominee in 2020.

Black Dem voters are not as far left as Gen Z whites.  Of course, if black Dem voters sense that Biden has lost it, or is otherwise not their best bet to beat the Cheeto, his polling will crater in ways unimaginable.

I'd like to ask black people who currently support Biden what they think about the finding that racially resentful white people support Biden more than every other alternative.


Biden gets a lot of support from being Obama's veep. Not only that, they were and are close friends. That wasn't fake. And as a voting bloc, African Americans have a solid history of backing whoever is seen as having the best chance of winning. So he wins on personal connection and he wins on pragmatism, theoretically.
 
2019-09-11 03:34:18 PM  

misanthropicsob: LarryDan43: FortyHams: Biden is a known quantity who wants to take people back to when they were comfortable. You can argue all day that they shouldn't have been comfortable, but they were.

They weren't but they remember they were.

No, most were objectively more comfortable. But, Biden's policies have ensured that the same class of people are less comfortable. Biden is promising a fix to a problem he himself helped create. It's called job security.

Unless we're talking about Biden being a president to throw us back to a time when we didn't talk about race and gender and sexuality, and were content when gays were kicked out of the military or jailed, women were told to shut up about pubic hairs on their soda cans, brown people were forcibly deported and black people knew enough to stay in their school districts.


You mean the guy who pushed Obama to come out for gay marriage?
 
2019-09-11 03:34:20 PM  

Purple_Urkle: [Fark user image 425x303]
I'm not voting for Slow Biden of Comcast.
/Not voting for Trump either.


Both of these can't be true in a practical sense, genius.
 
2019-09-11 03:34:38 PM  

Serious Black: Opiate of the Lasses: It's not about Twitter.

It's as simple as black people control the Dem nomination (despite white progressives' refusal to accept this), and they still trust Biden and they especially distrust the rest of you after 2016 (hence the sticking with the old white man bit). They went Obama over Clinton in 08, and Clinton over Bernie in 2016.  Whomever black Dem voters want is who will be the nominee in 2020.

Black Dem voters are not as far left as Gen Z whites.  Of course, if black Dem voters sense that Biden has lost it, or is otherwise not their best bet to beat the Cheeto, his polling will crater in ways unimaginable.

I'd like to ask black people who currently support Biden what they think about the finding that racially resentful white people support Biden more than every other alternative.


Username kinda checks out
 
2019-09-11 03:36:40 PM  
Biden needs to appeal to those voters if he wants to win.
 
2019-09-11 03:36:49 PM  

someonelse: African Americans have a solid history of backing whoever is seen as having the best chance of winning.


Explains why there are so many black Patriots and Yankees fans here in Chicago.
 
2019-09-11 03:36:50 PM  

Serious Black: I'm not confused by his resiliency compared to more progressive alternatives. I'm confused that he simultaneously has the greatest support among both black people and white, racially resentful people. How the hell can Biden be the best candidate for blacks AND the best candidate for whites who are offended by the perception that blacks are getting preferential treatment from the government?


Either Trump offends them more, or they're so flighty and disconnected that they don't yet realize that they're signing on with the black man's candidate.

My money is the latter is more true.
 
2019-09-11 03:37:23 PM  
Please, honey. Progressives are not confused at all. We're just wishful thinkers.

Democrats love love love taking credit for the Civil Rights era successes. Reality check, they were dragged kicking and screaming. By progressives. By *black people* not even in the Democratic party. So ya know,v you're welcome.

Meanwhile Southern Strategy Republicans were all, fark ya, take those Democratic racists into our camp!! They have a home here!
 
2019-09-11 03:37:24 PM  
"How do you tear down the front-runner that everyone actually likes?"

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2019-09-11 03:37:43 PM  

ElwoodCuse: I'm not confused in the slightest as to why an establishment piece of shiat and furthest right candidate running manages to stay on top


So Obama wasn't some far-left candidate in 2008 like I was led to believe?
 
2019-09-11 03:38:30 PM  

Opiate of the Lasses: Purple_Urkle: [Fark user image 425x303]
I'm not voting for Slow Biden of Comcast.
/Not voting for Trump either.

Both of these can't be true in a practical sense, genius.


It's a primary.
 
2019-09-11 03:39:14 PM  
Question 1 - what does Extremely Online even mean?

Question 2 - what determines whether you are "woke" or not?

Question 3 - does anyone really care what a TikTok is?
 
2019-09-11 03:41:14 PM  

Takeatrumponmychest: Crazy, I thought it was because he's the least liberal candidate on the ticket and isn't advocating for the actual uncomfortable changes we need to make, sooner, rather than later.

The boomer generation are, frankly, a bunch of cowards who'd rather kick the can to their kids and grandkids than possibly be inconvenienced financially. Once their SSI gets cut in 2032ish, they'll suddenly wonder how everything got so bad and find a way to blame millenials for not working hard enough to support them.


I wish i could smart this 10x. They are so decadent. It's obnoxious.

Every time I read or hear Baby Boomer, I think of the Star Trek Next Generation episode about compulsory suicide.
 
2019-09-11 03:41:28 PM  

Opiate of the Lasses: It's not about Twitter.

It's as simple as black people control the Dem nomination (despite white progressives' refusal to accept this), and they still trust Biden and they especially distrust the rest of you after 2016 (hence the sticking with the old white man bit). They went Obama over Clinton in 08, and Clinton over Bernie in 2016.  Whomever black Dem voters want is who will be the nominee in 2020.

Black Dem voters are not as far left as Gen Z whites.  Of course, if black Dem voters sense that Biden has lost it, or is otherwise not their best bet to beat the Cheeto, his polling will crater in ways unimaginable.


That's kind of an overstatement.

The black vote is more reactive in a general nature - Clinton was favored by black voters in 2008 up until Obama did well enough in IA and NH (both 90%+ white states) to provide some credence to the idea that white D's would vote for a black person. Soon after, his polling went up with black voters.

This is a three or four person race at this point - and Biden has < 50% of the black vote as a whole. Moreover, while people make too much out of the IA/NH battles, SC isn't a harbinger of things to come either, black voters in NY, CA, IL, etc. aren't the same as those in SC, AL, GA, etc., the younger black voters aren't as keen to Biden as people let on, etc.

There is no demographic that controls the primary, long story short. It's a moving engine, and the winner of the primary would do best to realize that instead of banking on a single demographic alone to carry through.
 
2019-09-11 03:41:32 PM  

Super Chronic: I really have nothing against Biden but he has the feel of one of those "let's just nominate the one with the longest resume" challengers like Walter Mondale, Bob Dole, John Kerry and Mitt Romney.

Still 100% committed to voting for him if he's nominated, though.


I live in Alaska. My vote never counts. But I vote anyway. Because I have to believe the little lies to maintain the illusion that I matter at all. Even if only to myself.
 
2019-09-11 03:43:22 PM  

misanthropicsob: Opiate of the Lasses: It's not about Twitter.

It's as simple as black people control the Dem nomination (despite white progressives' refusal to accept this), and they still trust Biden and they especially distrust the rest of you after 2016 (hence the sticking with the old white man bit). They went Obama over Clinton in 08, and Clinton over Bernie in 2016.  Whomever black Dem voters want is who will be the nominee in 2020.

Black Dem voters are not as far left as Gen Z whites.  Of course, if black Dem voters sense that Biden has lost it, or is otherwise not their best bet to beat the Cheeto, his polling will crater in ways unimaginable.

Much like white voters, progressiveism is on an inverse scale with age.

Old black voters are practically Republicans while young black voters are progressive enough to hang with Bernie and Liz.

Typically, the young ones don't vote in the primaries though.


Yup.  The older black electorate (that has considerable sway over the primaries) is one of the most pragmatic cohorts in the Democratic party...and frankly, in the entire country.  They certainly know that a guy like Biden is at best worth half a loaf of promises, but they also believe (for now) that he's the choice most likely to win.  They accept half-a-loaf guys because they're old enough to remember multiple previous generations of full-loaf guys losing spectacularly in the general.  This dynamic was part of the reason why they went so strongly for Clinton over Sanders in 2016, though it didn't help that his attempts at outreach to the black (esp. Southern) community were rather...disorganized and overly late.

Whether they're right about Biden being the best choice in 2020 is a matter of debate.  I'm not convinced. But I believe that is the thinking anyway.
 
2019-09-11 03:44:12 PM  

Opiate of the Lasses: Black Dem voters are not as far left as Gen Z whites.  Of course, if black Dem voters sense that Biden has lost it, or is otherwise not their best bet to beat the Cheeto, his polling will crater in ways unimaginable.


And this is precisely what's going to happen when he comes in third behind Warren and Sanders in Iowa and NH.  That's why people are saying his "resilient" support is actually very thin.  Because it is.
 
2019-09-11 03:44:32 PM  

Opiate of the Lasses: Purple_Urkle: [Fark user image 425x303]
I'm not voting for Slow Biden of Comcast.
/Not voting for Trump either.

Both of these can't be true in a practical sense, genius.


Give people something to vote for, or they're going to disengage.
That's just the way it is, and you won't shame anyone into voting for a candidate that offers them nothing.
And the old canard, "You have to think about the people Trump is hurting." doesn't mean shiat if Biden is willing to work with those guys, rather than hold anyone accountable, or treats Trump as a fluke. It's just setting up Republicans to "elect" someone worse in 2024.
 
2019-09-11 03:44:49 PM  

Opiate of the Lasses: Serious Black: I'm confused that he simultaneously has the greatest support among both black people and white, racially resentful people

It makes perfect sense. Black people who want a Dem to win will support the best Dem to beat 45, eg., the one who can win back some of the racist whites who generally vote Dem but defected to vote for the Cheeto.

/we always have to account for y'all


That's farking condescending of you.

And frankly, it's the wrong perspective to take from an election where turnout among blacks was down 8% from the previous election even though, as you yourself noted, blacks decisively sided with Clinton, the Democratic nominee for president. Do yourself a favor and vote for the candidate who you think would do the best job as president, not the one you think crackers will vote for.
 
2019-09-11 03:45:36 PM  
When, in reality, the Democratic Party only exists in fund raisers in gated communities.
 
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