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(NBC News)   Hillary is advising Elizabeth Warren on how to beat Trump next year, thereby ensuring a second Trump term and at least three new book deals each for Warren and Hillary   (nbcnews.com) divider line
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2019-09-10 9:52:57 AM  
Well, she did get more votes than he did, so her advice is worth something.
 
2019-09-10 10:09:46 AM  
This will surely enrage the people who will be voting 3rd party in 2020 no matter who wins the nomination.
 
2019-09-10 11:07:35 AM  
Or maybe she learned from her mistakes. Go on the offensive and campaign more in the sticks.
 
2019-09-10 11:30:46 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Well, she did get more votes than he did, so her advice is worth something.


Because the Democrats might lose California this time?
 
2019-09-10 11:33:19 AM  
Running Warren will be worth it simply for the debate(s) with Trump.

/but I'm sure she has a plan for that
 
2019-09-10 11:34:16 AM  
As long as Robby Mook isn't in there to completely foul things up, it's probably not a big deal.

/provided she's not pushing 'triangulate with the gop' horseshiat
 
2019-09-10 11:35:06 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Well, she did get more votes than he did, so her advice is worth something.


Getting more votes was a stupid strategy. She should have been like electoral supergenius Donald Trump, who totally calculated the impact of every campaign event on a county by county basis to a 99.999% degree of accuracy. He could have had waaaaaay more votes than Hillary if he wanted to, but that wasn't the winning game plan.

Also, too, no democracy! Representative republic!
 
2019-09-10 11:38:14 AM  
I think I know the advice. When deciding where to campaign, Warren must ask herself 'does this state inspire joy within me?' Works for picking out pantsuits.
 
2019-09-10 11:38:31 AM  
The only reason why Hillary Clinton is vilified is because she was part of the team that exposed Nixon. This is a multi decade hit job born from the post WW2 strategy to influence votes. Add in gerrymandering and character assasination for simple things like riding in a tank or giving a yell at a rally.

Yet the petulant child gets a free pass. <spits on the floor>
 
2019-09-10 11:38:33 AM  

fernt: Running Warren will be worth it simply for the debate(s) with Trump.

/but I'm sure she has a plan for that


Even I know her plan: Act like the adult in the room.

Wanna make a TF bet on whether Trump can do the same?
 
2019-09-10 11:38:44 AM  

gameshowhost: /provided she's not pushing 'triangulate with the gop' horseshiat


I can't imagine Henry Kissinger's favorite Democrat doing that!
 
2019-09-10 11:38:48 AM  
This could be valuable. Listen to Hill, then do the opposite.
 
2019-09-10 11:39:48 AM  
Didn't we just read that Trump is not giving up the presidency in order to be a dictator for life?
 
2019-09-10 11:40:06 AM  
Is go and physically campaign in Minnesota or Wisconsin an option?
 
2019-09-10 11:40:12 AM  
The only advise that matters is, "Don't run after 30 years of near-non-stop attacks from Republicans."

Warren has that one down. Warren is so much smarter than Clinton, I'm sure Warren is just pretending to listen and nodding politely.
 
2019-09-10 11:40:17 AM  

Rwa2play: fernt: Running Warren will be worth it simply for the debate(s) with Trump.

/but I'm sure she has a plan for that

Even I know her plan: Act like the adult in the room.

Wanna make a TF bet on whether Trump can do the same?


Trump has no choice but to reduce it down to name-calling. Warren is way sharper and way faster than he is. She will shred him in a debate. And I must say, I look forward to that possibility
 
2019-09-10 11:43:52 AM  
Clinton thy name is hubris.
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2019-09-10 11:44:16 AM  
It's hard to know exactly how many times they've reached out to each other - or precisely what they've discussed - in part because neither camp wants to reveal much of anything about their interaction and in part because they have each other's phone numbers, and there are many ways for two high-powered politicians to communicate that don't involve their staffs.

That's some trenchant analysis there.
 
2019-09-10 11:44:38 AM  
Is Hillary going to run against Warren?  It worked for Obama. It worked for Trump. It can work for anyone else given those two polar opposites.
 
2019-09-10 11:44:58 AM  
Russia owns Hillary, right? So this should be good news to Trump supporters.
You know... Trumpers deny Russian interference in the 2016 elections, but suddenly believe in it if they hear from Fox News that Hillary will influence Warren on orders from her Russian handlers.

Remember, you gotta spin it into the absurd for the right wing nutters to get behind it.
 
2019-09-10 11:45:05 AM  
Well isn't that just like those crazy libs, to gather information and weigh the opinion of people who have experience and knowledge on a subject. I guarantee that Trump won't listen to others and fall into the thoughtfulness trap.
 
2019-09-10 11:46:44 AM  
iheartscotch is correct. It might not matter, but probably did.
 
2019-09-10 11:47:56 AM  

fernt: Running Warren will be worth it simply for the debate(s) with Trump.

/but I'm sure she has a plan for that


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2019-09-10 11:48:26 AM  

Mugato: Or maybe she learned from her mistakes. Go on the offensive and campaign more in the sticks.



She learned from her mistakes against Obama in the primary and came ready the second time around. Obviously, Bernie wasn't Obama. Still, he gave her a run for her money. But she was ready that time. She ran a tighter campaign, didn't ignore caucus states, and she leveraged he party insider position even more. Obama caught her completely unprepared.

Her campaign against Trump wasn't particularly bad. The problem was a lack of get out the vote initiatives across key states. You gotta get grassroots involved to register people *and* make sure they actually go out and vote. Local party organizations either know (or need to learn) how to do that by tackling issues like transportation, encouraging mail-in (where available), and informing voters, who may be apathetic towards the presidential race, about various races and ballot initiatives that affect them directly. Funding from the party needs to flow to these actions at local level.
 
2019-09-10 11:48:55 AM  

DeaH: The only advise that matters is, "Don't run after 30 years of near-non-stop attacks from Republicans."

Warren has that one down. Warren is so much smarter than Clinton, I'm sure Warren is just pretending to listen and nodding politely.


Not enough love for this.

Also, it's OK to appeal a bit to the middle, but the only middle who will vote for her are those who lean left to begin with. In other words, appeal to the dem base that's broader than that on the right. Energize the left and GOTfV.
 
2019-09-10 12:07:24 PM  

Mugato: Or maybe she learned from her mistakes. Go on the offensive and campaign more in the sticks.


Hillary's platform (and that of the Democratic Party circa 2016) played remarkably well in the sticks, largely because it was just Obama's platform over again, which also played really well in the sticks.

This election's Democratic platform does not play well in the sticks. Warren would only be wasting her time correcting Hillary's 2016 shortcomings, on account of her campaign being focused solely on turning out a population-center referendum vote.
 
2019-09-10 12:10:00 PM  
Why doesn't Hillary just run again?
 
2019-09-10 12:12:32 PM  
This makes me think of how, every time the Democrats look like they're going to win, Republican pundits come out and say, "It's still possibly that they could blow it. The only way they can win is to abandon all of the policies that everyone wants and do whatever the Republicans would do."
 
2019-09-10 12:12:57 PM  
And Warren still has my vote ..
 
2019-09-10 12:23:04 PM  

fernt: Running Warren will be worth it simply for the debate(s) with Trump.

/but I'm sure she has a plan for that


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2019-09-10 12:23:20 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: Why doesn't Hillary just run again?


I'm not so certain she can afford to buy a second nomination.
 
2019-09-10 12:24:22 PM  

DeaH: The only advise that matters is, "Don't run after 30 years of near-non-stop attacks from Republicans."

Warren has that one down. Warren is so much smarter than Clinton, I'm sure Warren is just pretending to listen and nodding politely.


Based on what?  Clinton's problem was never intelligence.  They both are very smart, they both did well in University and in their chosen fields.  They share some of the same weaknesses and strengths if they are talking Warren wouldn't just pretend to listen.
 
2019-09-10 12:33:51 PM  

fernt: Running Warren will be worth it simply for the debate(s) with Trump.

/but I'm sure she has a plan for that


Trump won't make it past the primaries, if he allows them to even happen.
 
2019-09-10 12:37:12 PM  

Rwa2play: fernt: Running Warren will be worth it simply for the debate(s) with Trump.

/but I'm sure she has a plan for that

Even I know her plan: Act like the adult in the room.

Wanna make a TF bet on whether Trump can do the same?


He'll say Pocahontas 3 times in the first minute.  That's all he's got.
 
2019-09-10 12:37:31 PM  

iheartscotch: Is go and physically campaign in Minnesota or Wisconsin an option?


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No doubt she should've pushed harder here. But as a Wisconsinite, I still say anyone who looked at the stakes and rejected Hillary for not coming for more rubber chicken dinners can go piss up a rope.
 
2019-09-10 12:43:09 PM  
This is not a bad thing.  Hillary's team mostly likely did a retrospective and found areas where they blundered.  Learning from past mistakes will actually make Warren, Biden, Sanders, whoever the nominee is, better.

One thing the dem nominee needs to remember is not to take the 'blue wall' for granted.  Go to all your states and rally your people, don;t ignore them.  And done waste time chilling while your opponent is out and about (hell Hillary waited 2 months after getting the nomination before she kicked off her general election run, Trump was all over the bloody place in that two months.)

Lots can be learned.  As long as Warren has the knowledge she can use it how she sees fit,
 
2019-09-10 12:44:27 PM  

WhiskeySticks: fernt: Running Warren will be worth it simply for the debate(s) with Trump.

/but I'm sure she has a plan for that

Trump won't make it past the primaries, if he allows them to even happen.


The GOP is already trying to stop them.

He has 70-80% approval form the GOP, Trump will be the nominee.
 
2019-09-10 12:44:48 PM  

fernt: Running Warren will be worth it simply for the debate(s) with Trump.

/but I'm sure she has a plan for that

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2019-09-10 12:47:14 PM  
- Hillary got more votes than her opponents in the primary and general election
- Those who voted for her are able to vote in 2020
- Most of those who voted for her still like her

In a very narrow scenario a candidate might be able to win the primary without Hillary voters. You cannot win the general election without them.
 
2019-09-10 12:48:03 PM  

EyeballKid: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: Why doesn't Hillary just run again?

I'm not so certain she can afford to buy a second nomination.


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2019-09-10 12:49:40 PM  

someonelse: iheartscotch: Is go and physically campaign in Minnesota or Wisconsin an option?

[Fark user image 425x267]No doubt she should've pushed harder here. But as a Wisconsinite, I still say anyone who looked at the stakes and rejected Hillary for not coming for more rubber chicken dinners can go piss up a rope.


Her biggest Noose for this area was NAFTA.

Her not saying 'it was a mistake for my husband to pass this, and my team and i will be looking into fixing the issues with it.' was something that really weighed her down.

If you used ot work in an auto plant in this area, but it closed due to Nafta.  The wife of the president who passed this, but is not looking at is as a mistake, vs a guy who says it was a mistake and he will fix it iif you give him a chance. (he didn;t)  You have bene struggling for 20 years, your kids have been also, and you hear that message form Trump, you migth think 'yea.. if he can fix it i'll get bakc to the best job i ever had..' and you might give him the chance.

That was the biggest issue in this area.  Trump now doens;t have the ammo.  The ONLY thing that will keep trump a float is the economy, and that looks like its heading to a cliff.  "But they keep adding jobs! its roring!" a river runs really fast and crazy before a water fall.  Recesstion is coming.
 
2019-09-10 12:54:12 PM  

DarkDawg: WhiskeySticks: fernt: Running Warren will be worth it simply for the debate(s) with Trump.

/but I'm sure she has a plan for that

Trump won't make it past the primaries, if he allows them to even happen.

The GOP is already trying to stop them.

He has 70-80% approval form the GOP, Trump will be the nominee.


just lol at the thought of voting for a guy with biatch tits, lol. Strong everything GOP.
 
2019-09-10 1:03:00 PM  

fernt: Running Warren will be worth it simply for the debate(s) with Trump.

/but I'm sure she has a plan for that


The plan is probably to destroy him with policy arguments while he tries to make fun of her by calling her Pocahontas or some stupid thing.
 
2019-09-10 1:08:58 PM  

raius: DeaH: The only advise that matters is, "Don't run after 30 years of near-non-stop attacks from Republicans."

Warren has that one down. Warren is so much smarter than Clinton, I'm sure Warren is just pretending to listen and nodding politely.

Based on what?  Clinton's problem was never intelligence.  They both are very smart, they both did well in University and in their chosen fields.  They share some of the same weaknesses and strengths if they are talking Warren wouldn't just pretend to listen.


--
Clinton is not an idiot and neither is Warren. Warren will not disregard Clinton's advice.
 
2019-09-10 1:14:11 PM  
lol this thread


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2019-09-10 1:17:07 PM  
Why are y'all angry at Hillary? I thought it was Russia's fault Trump won.
 
2019-09-10 1:20:53 PM  
I really don't care who they nominate, because I will vote for whoever that is. I just hope they nominate someone who the swing states will also vote for, because that's what matters
 
2019-09-10 1:26:48 PM  

EdwardTellerhands: It's hard to know exactly how many times they've reached out to each other - or precisely what they've discussed - in part because neither camp wants to reveal much of anything about their interaction and in part because they have each other's phone numbers, and there are many ways for two high-powered politicians to communicate that don't involve their staffs.

That's some trenchant analysis there.


actually there is.  if there is a hint that Hillary is helping Warren then it turns into "Warren is just a puppet for Hillary" and all the negative stigma about Hillary can then be transferred to Warren.  Personally, I would want to hear Hillary's advice, but not have that be known.

similar to how every democratic representative candidate was really just a puppet for Pelosi.  If I didn't know better last election, I would have thought I was in Pelosi's district for as many times I heard her name mentioned in campaign ads.

Now in the spirit of the thread, some good advice would be to do as few public campaign appearances and speeches as possible.  Let Trump talk on TV as much as possible in the hopes he eventually says something so stupid that no one could seriously vote for him.
 
2019-09-10 1:35:48 PM  

Hyjamon: Now in the spirit of the thread, some good advice would be to do as few public campaign appearances and speeches as possible.  Let Trump talk on TV as much as possible in the hopes he eventually says something so stupid that no one could seriously vote for him.


"Too stupid for American approval" does not exist in any measure.
 
2019-09-10 1:43:47 PM  
Analysis: Neither camp wants to talk about it, but the two women have recently grown closer.

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