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2019-08-22 10:06:06 PM  
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2019-08-23 1:35:09 AM  
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2019-08-23 4:22:43 AM  
What else did he get massaged?
 
2019-08-23 4:39:45 AM  
This guy better be careful with his revelations or he's going to be suicided too.
 
2019-08-23 4:42:16 AM  
Remember he was never there......
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2019-08-23 4:57:36 AM  
That's not a foot. Six inches maybe, seven at the most.
 
2019-08-23 4:58:08 AM  
That farker should be banished to Pitcairn Island for the rest of his life...
 
2019-08-23 5:06:25 AM  

LarrySouth: That farker should be banished to Pitcairn Island for the rest of his life...


...where a third of the adult male population got busted for kiddie diddling: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/​wiki/Pitcai​rn_sexual_assault_trial_of_2004
 
2019-08-23 5:08:47 AM  
The palace declined to comment on the contents of the email on Thursday night but reiterated its previous statement: "Any suggestion of impropriety with underage minors is categorically untrue."

The overly specific denial. Expect to hear more about the definition of "underage".
 
2019-08-23 5:13:51 AM  
So Prince Andrew was hanging around with a pedophile, before and after his very public conviction as such. He's ridden the "Lolita Express" multiple times. He's seen pictured with one of the victims. He's accused by one of the victims and known to have been in the same location as victim on a number of occasions. He's pictured in Epstein's company a number of times. And now thanks to a name dropping agent we know he's getting foot massages from some young Ukranian girl.

No wonder he's "appalled". Not because he's just discovered Epstein was a nonce, but because he's up to his neck in this too.

As for this agent, I foresee multiple subpoenas in his future requiring him to retain every single communication relating to Epstein or his inner circle.
 
2019-08-23 5:26:48 AM  

Kalashinator: LarrySouth: That farker should be banished to Pitcairn Island for the rest of his life...

...where a third of the adult male population got busted for kiddie diddling: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w​iki/Pitcairn_sexual_assault_trial_of_2​004


People vs Christian, Christian, Christian, Christian, Christian, Christian and Christian
 
2019-08-23 5:35:25 AM  
The picture of the "intellectual elite" selling themselves to a sole publisher for "handsome advances" and "sumptuous dinners" is just lovely.
 
2019-08-23 5:45:51 AM  

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I remeber Bob Saget once joking about celebrating his marriage with his wife of seven years.

"...thats how old she is."
 
2019-08-23 6:20:18 AM  
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is this the beginning?
 
2019-08-23 6:23:39 AM  
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2019-08-23 6:24:02 AM  
It's good to see the Guardian isn't letting any actual facts get in the way of a good story. A good friends 12 year old daughter gave me a big hug when they were going away after a month-long visit. I suppose that makes me a worse monster than Hitler.
 
2019-08-23 6:29:11 AM  
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Foot massage you say.....
 
2019-08-23 6:32:57 AM  
It's about ethics in kiddie-diddling.
 
2019-08-23 6:33:09 AM  

cynicalbastard: It's good to see the Guardian isn't letting any actual facts get in the way of a good story. A good friends 12 year old daughter gave me a big hug when they were going away after a month-long visit. I suppose that makes me a worse monster than Hitler.


Lotta princely defenders here who seem to have selective reading comprehension and an agenda.

FTFA:

It was in Maxwell's London home that a photograph was taken in 2001 capturing Andrew with his arm around Virginia Giuffre - a 17-year-old*, then known as Virginia Roberts, who has alleged in court documents that Epstein coerced her into "sexual relations" with Andrew in London, New York and on Epstein's private island in the US Virgin Islands.

*here's where that oddly specific denial comes into play...what's a minor really?

Your prince is a pedo.
 
2019-08-23 6:37:21 AM  

drxym: As for this agent, I foresee multiple subpoenas in his future requiring him to retain every single communication relating to Epstein or his inner circle.


Who is going to issue a subpoena to the youngest son of the Queen of England?  The monarchy is above the law, and the only thing that keeps them within it is their desire to stay in the public's good graces (because they learned from what Russia and France did).
 
2019-08-23 6:38:51 AM  

cynicalbastard: It's good to see the Guardian isn't letting any actual facts get in the way of a good story. A good friends 12 year old daughter gave me a big hug when they were going away after a month-long visit. I suppose that makes me a worse monster than Hitler.


Do you have a tendency to party with and bring along underage girls on your travels?  Because I suspect that's the difference.
 
2019-08-23 6:52:55 AM  

asmodeus224: cynicalbastard: It's good to see the Guardian isn't letting any actual facts get in the way of a good story. A good friends 12 year old daughter gave me a big hug when they were going away after a month-long visit. I suppose that makes me a worse monster than Hitler.

Lotta princely defenders here who seem to have selective reading comprehension and an agenda.

FTFA:

It was in Maxwell's London home that a photograph was taken in 2001 capturing Andrew with his arm around Virginia Giuffre - a 17-year-old*, then known as Virginia Roberts, who has alleged in court documents that Epstein coerced her into "sexual relations" with Andrew in London, New York and on Epstein's private island in the US Virgin Islands.

*here's where that oddly specific denial comes into play...what's a minor really?

Your prince is a pedo.


Glad you're in possession of all the facts.

"in possession" "all" "facts"

You go, girl.
 
2019-08-23 7:09:41 AM  

Kraig57: That's not a foot. Six inches maybe, seven at the most.


Size doesn't matter ...

girth matters
 
2019-08-23 7:26:58 AM  

jaytkay: The palace declined to comment on the contents of the email on Thursday night but reiterated its previous statement: "Any suggestion of impropriety with underage minors is categorically untrue."

The overly specific denial. Expect to hear more about the definition of "underage".


Perhaps they meant to write "underage miners" instead.
 
2019-08-23 7:28:55 AM  
 
2019-08-23 7:35:47 AM  

jaytkay: The palace declined to comment on the contents of the email on Thursday night but reiterated its previous statement: "Any suggestion of impropriety with underage minors is categorically untrue."

The overly specific denial. Expect to hear more about the definition of "underage".


In the UK, that is 15 or under.

17? No problems.
 
2019-08-23 7:37:36 AM  
It runs in the family.

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2019-08-23 7:41:43 AM  

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Aaaand we're done.
 
2019-08-23 7:44:13 AM  

asmodeus224: cynicalbastard: It's good to see the Guardian isn't letting any actual facts get in the way of a good story. A good friends 12 year old daughter gave me a big hug when they were going away after a month-long visit. I suppose that makes me a worse monster than Hitler.

Lotta princely defenders here who seem to have selective reading comprehension and an agenda.

FTFA:

It was in Maxwell's London home that a photograph was taken in 2001 capturing Andrew with his arm around Virginia Giuffre - a 17-year-old*, then known as Virginia Roberts, who has alleged in court documents that Epstein coerced her into "sexual relations" with Andrew in London, New York and on Epstein's private island in the US Virgin Islands.

*here's where that oddly specific denial comes into play...what's a minor really?

Your prince is a pedo.


17 is not underage in London.

You don't have to obey laws that apply in countries you are not in. I am not sure you will understand that though. I will try again, as though I am speaking to a child.

The drinking age in the USA (in a few places) is 21. That does not make it illegal for an 18-year-old to drink in a pub in the UK. US laws do not apply in the UK.

The age of consent in the UK is 16, that means it is not paedophilia to have sex with 17-year-olds.

The prince may well be a paedophile, but not because he had sex with someone in London who was 17 at the time.
 
2019-08-23 7:45:47 AM  

jaytkay: The palace declined to comment on the contents of the email on Thursday night but reiterated its previous statement: "Any suggestion of impropriety with underage minors is categorically untrue."

The overly specific denial. Expect to hear more about the definition of "underage".


Are there overage minors?
 
2019-08-23 7:49:23 AM  
I've seen some foot massage videos on the internet and sometimes it's the foot doing the massaging!!

What will they think of next.
 
2019-08-23 7:49:26 AM  

dready zim: asmodeus224: cynicalbastard: It's good to see the Guardian isn't letting any actual facts get in the way of a good story. A good friends 12 year old daughter gave me a big hug when they were going away after a month-long visit. I suppose that makes me a worse monster than Hitler.

Lotta princely defenders here who seem to have selective reading comprehension and an agenda.

FTFA:

It was in Maxwell's London home that a photograph was taken in 2001 capturing Andrew with his arm around Virginia Giuffre - a 17-year-old*, then known as Virginia Roberts, who has alleged in court documents that Epstein coerced her into "sexual relations" with Andrew in London, New York and on Epstein's private island in the US Virgin Islands.

*here's where that oddly specific denial comes into play...what's a minor really?

Your prince is a pedo.

17 is not underage in London.

You don't have to obey laws that apply in countries you are not in. I am not sure you will understand that though. I will try again, as though I am speaking to a child.

The drinking age in the USA (in a few places) is 21. That does not make it illegal for an 18-year-old to drink in a pub in the UK. US laws do not apply in the UK.

The age of consent in the UK is 16, that means it is not paedophilia to have sex with 17-year-olds.

The prince may well be a paedophile, but not because he had sex with someone in London who was 17 at the time.


https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos​/​extraterritorial-sexual-exploitation-c​hildren
 
2019-08-23 7:50:19 AM  

dready zim: asmodeus224: cynicalbastard: It's good to see the Guardian isn't letting any actual facts get in the way of a good story. A good friends 12 year old daughter gave me a big hug when they were going away after a month-long visit. I suppose that makes me a worse monster than Hitler.

Lotta princely defenders here who seem to have selective reading comprehension and an agenda.

FTFA:

It was in Maxwell's London home that a photograph was taken in 2001 capturing Andrew with his arm around Virginia Giuffre - a 17-year-old*, then known as Virginia Roberts, who has alleged in court documents that Epstein coerced her into "sexual relations" with Andrew in London, New York and on Epstein's private island in the US Virgin Islands.

*here's where that oddly specific denial comes into play...what's a minor really?

Your prince is a pedo.

17 is not underage in London.

You don't have to obey laws that apply in countries you are not in. I am not sure you will understand that though. I will try again, as though I am speaking to a child.

The drinking age in the USA (in a few places) is 21. That does not make it illegal for an 18-year-old to drink in a pub in the UK. US laws do not apply in the UK.

The age of consent in the UK is 16, that means it is not paedophilia to have sex with 17-year-olds.

The prince may well be a paedophile, but not because he had sex with someone in London who was 17 at the time.


Good point, and raises an interesting question: what was the law on Epstein's "island" and were people aware of it?
 
2019-08-23 7:52:26 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Good point, and raises an interesting question: what was the law on Epstein's "island" and were people aware of it?


Doesn't matter. As a U.S. Citizen, he is forbidden from having sex with anyone under 18 anywhere in the world.

(See my link above your post for info).
 
2019-08-23 7:53:24 AM  

GrailOfThunder: dready zim: asmodeus224: cynicalbastard: It's good to see the Guardian isn't letting any actual facts get in the way of a good story. A good friends 12 year old daughter gave me a big hug when they were going away after a month-long visit. I suppose that makes me a worse monster than Hitler.

Lotta princely defenders here who seem to have selective reading comprehension and an agenda.

FTFA:

It was in Maxwell's London home that a photograph was taken in 2001 capturing Andrew with his arm around Virginia Giuffre - a 17-year-old*, then known as Virginia Roberts, who has alleged in court documents that Epstein coerced her into "sexual relations" with Andrew in London, New York and on Epstein's private island in the US Virgin Islands.

*here's where that oddly specific denial comes into play...what's a minor really?

Your prince is a pedo.

17 is not underage in London.

You don't have to obey laws that apply in countries you are not in. I am not sure you will understand that though. I will try again, as though I am speaking to a child.

The drinking age in the USA (in a few places) is 21. That does not make it illegal for an 18-year-old to drink in a pub in the UK. US laws do not apply in the UK.

The age of consent in the UK is 16, that means it is not paedophilia to have sex with 17-year-olds.

The prince may well be a paedophile, but not because he had sex with someone in London who was 17 at the time.

https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos / extraterritorial-sexual-exploitation-c hildren



From your link:

Federal law prohibits an American citizen or resident to travel to a foreign country with intent to engage in any form of sexual conduct with a minor

Prince Andrew is neither of those. Epstein would be guilty but US laws still only apply to US citizens or residents.
 
2019-08-23 7:53:39 AM  

GrailOfThunder: Gyrfalcon: Good point, and raises an interesting question: what was the law on Epstein's "island" and were people aware of it?

Doesn't matter. As a U.S. Citizen, he is forbidden from having sex with anyone under 18 anywhere in the world.

(See my link above your post for info).


Clarification - was referring to Epstein (being the US citizen), not the Prince. I don't know if the UK has a law similar to that of the US in regards to extraterritorial sex.
 
2019-08-23 7:55:36 AM  

dready zim: GrailOfThunder: dready zim: asmodeus224: cynicalbastard: It's good to see the Guardian isn't letting any actual facts get in the way of a good story. A good friends 12 year old daughter gave me a big hug when they were going away after a month-long visit. I suppose that makes me a worse monster than Hitler.

Lotta princely defenders here who seem to have selective reading comprehension and an agenda.

FTFA:

It was in Maxwell's London home that a photograph was taken in 2001 capturing Andrew with his arm around Virginia Giuffre - a 17-year-old*, then known as Virginia Roberts, who has alleged in court documents that Epstein coerced her into "sexual relations" with Andrew in London, New York and on Epstein's private island in the US Virgin Islands.

*here's where that oddly specific denial comes into play...what's a minor really?

Your prince is a pedo.

17 is not underage in London.

You don't have to obey laws that apply in countries you are not in. I am not sure you will understand that though. I will try again, as though I am speaking to a child.

The drinking age in the USA (in a few places) is 21. That does not make it illegal for an 18-year-old to drink in a pub in the UK. US laws do not apply in the UK.

The age of consent in the UK is 16, that means it is not paedophilia to have sex with 17-year-olds.

The prince may well be a paedophile, but not because he had sex with someone in London who was 17 at the time.

https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos / extraterritorial-sexual-exploitation-c hildren


From your link:

Federal law prohibits an American citizen or resident to travel to a foreign country with intent to engage in any form of sexual conduct with a minor

Prince Andrew is neither of those. Epstein would be guilty but US laws still only apply to US citizens or residents.


Yeah, was referring to Epstein, sorry I should have made that more clear. While the alcohol thing would be legal, underage sex (for a US Citizen) isn't - anywhere.
 
2019-08-23 7:55:39 AM  
And he was forced to divorce his wife over her having her toes sucked by some dude.

Huh.
 
2019-08-23 7:57:37 AM  

GrailOfThunder: Gyrfalcon: Good point, and raises an interesting question: what was the law on Epstein's "island" and were people aware of it?

Doesn't matter. As a U.S. Citizen, he is forbidden from having sex with anyone under 18 anywhere in the world.

(See my link above your post for info).



AKA the Rush Limbaugh please don't fark kids statute.
 
2019-08-23 7:59:23 AM  

GrailOfThunder: f the UK has a law similar to that of the US in regards to extraterritorial sex.


there might be a law, but..........

there won't *ever* be a prosecution of a member of the inner royal family for it.
 
2019-08-23 8:06:25 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: I remeber Bob Saget once joking about celebrating his marriage with his wife of seven years.


Bob Saget is a filthy motherfarker. I don't know if he was always a dirty comic or if he's over-compensating for the whole Full House/ Funniest Home Videos thing but he's farking funny.
 
2019-08-23 8:09:38 AM  

Gyrfalcon: what was the law on Epstein's "island"


If there's grass on the field, play ball? Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed?
 
2019-08-23 8:13:01 AM  

MagicChicken: Perhaps they meant to write "underage miners" instead.


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2019-08-23 8:14:19 AM  

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Done in 2.

Leaving satisfied
 
2019-08-23 8:20:06 AM  

cynicalbastard: It's good to see the Guardian isn't letting any actual facts get in the way of a good story. A good friends 12 year old daughter gave me a big hug when they were going away after a month-long visit. I suppose that makes me a worse monster than Hitler.


If by "good friend" you mean a known pedophile, and by "12 year old daughter" you mean underage trafficked sex slave, then you have a point.
 
2019-08-23 8:23:42 AM  
Seriously, I don't even understand why Britain puts up with their Monarchy's bullshiat.  They don't even have any real power, they soak up tax dollars, and Andy is literally getting away with crimes.   Why aren't they more outraged.

//Yeah, I know you could say the same thing about America and Trump, but unlike Trump, the monarchy isn't really running the country.
 
2019-08-23 8:33:00 AM  

Gyrfalcon: jaytkay: The palace declined to comment on the contents of the email on Thursday night but reiterated its previous statement: "Any suggestion of impropriety with underage minors is categorically untrue."

The overly specific denial. Expect to hear more about the definition of "underage".

Are there overage minors?


Yes, in the UK at least.

You can have sex legally at 16 but you're legally considered a minor until you're 18, so you can be over the age of consent and still a minor - aka an overage minor.
 
2019-08-23 8:38:37 AM  

GrailOfThunder: Yeah, was referring to Epstein, sorry I should have made that more clear. While the alcohol thing would be legal, underage sex (for a US Citizen) isn't - anywhere.


Although, if Andrew then went to new york and did the same thing there, that would be illegal (Which TFA suggests did happen)
 
2019-08-23 8:44:21 AM  

Averam: Gyrfalcon: jaytkay: The palace declined to comment on the contents of the email on Thursday night but reiterated its previous statement: "Any suggestion of impropriety with underage minors is categorically untrue."

The overly specific denial. Expect to hear more about the definition of "underage".

Are there overage minors?

Yes, in the UK at least.

You can have sex legally at 16 but you're legally considered a minor until you're 18, so you can be over the age of consent and still a minor - aka an overage minor.


AFAIK once not a minor and 18-25, you are still regarded as 'vulnerable'

Even when 25-30 you are still 'young'

So in the UK, a 'young woman' could be anywhere from 16 to 30 depending on the agenda of the newspaper.

Sometimes, depending on the media outlet, the same person is described as a minor, vulnerable, or young and also a girl or a woman.
 
2019-08-23 8:45:14 AM  
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