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2019-08-21 12:54:39 PM  
Nothing to see here, really. Just two media giants having it out. Nothing is settled until it is settled.  I imagine Sony will cave more because they need the MCU more than the MCU needs them (especially with FF and X-Men now under Disney's control)
 
2019-08-21 12:57:40 PM  
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2019-08-21 12:58:05 PM  
What "hoopla?" Did they cast a female minority again in lead roles?

GOLL-LEEE.
 
2019-08-21 01:04:10 PM  

whidbey: What "hoopla?" Did they cast a female minority again in lead roles?

GOLL-LEEE.


The imagined enemies in my head are being totally triggered by this thing I brought up out of the blue.  Heheh.  They're so mad right now.
 
2019-08-21 01:04:11 PM  
They want to have Spider-man in the venom movies.  That's what this is about right?
 
2019-08-21 01:04:58 PM  
Yes, Sony needs Disney's help more than Disney needs Spider-man, but Spider-man was a specific thing Kevin Feige wanted to do. It's very rare when one guy can get the world's largest media company to rent him a toy he wants to play w/, but kudos, he got what he wanted.
 
2019-08-21 01:05:01 PM  
Wait.. Feige is too busy for something or other now.. too many movies to produce?
 
2019-08-21 01:09:16 PM  
This whole thing is so quintessentially Sony. You can pretty much hear the Sony suits insisting they'd rather own 100% of a trash fire than 50% of a masterpiece, which is just how they do business re: Spider-Man.

I'm sure whatever solo Spidey flick they do next will make a respectable profit, but I don't doubt that whatever business it does, its profit will only be half of what they'd do when partnered with Marvel. I know I have no interest in seeing any Sony-only Spidey films*, so I'll be skipping it and possibly checking it out for free on streaming later, like I did with ASM, ASM2, and Venom (which were all garbage).
 
2019-08-21 01:09:30 PM  

Alphax: Wait.. Feige is too busy for something or other now.. too many movies to produce?


His priority is Disney IP, because his employer is Disney.
 
2019-08-21 01:09:47 PM  

Alphax: Wait.. Feige is too busy for something or other now.. too many movies to produce?


Apparently 5 movies and 5 miniseries is much more difficult to do than the previous 23 films.

I suspect this will all be resolved by Phase 5 or whenever the next Spider-Man appearance is supposed to be.
 
2019-08-21 01:10:23 PM  
I certainly didn't expect all the hoopla
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2019-08-21 01:13:12 PM  
That statement actually sounds pretty classy and it sounds like they would like to continue the relationship if Feige could only free up some time.
 
2019-08-21 01:13:24 PM  

Alphax: Wait.. Feige is too busy for something or other now.. too many movies to produce?


He's doing the new TV shows, and those take up more day to day time than a movie does, allegedly. And he's going full crossover event collector nerd, you'll have to watch the Wanda TV show to figure out what the hell is going on in Dr. Strange 2. It's the goddamn 90's all over again, all we need now are holofoil movie ticket stubs.
 
2019-08-21 01:14:07 PM  

JolobinSmokin: They want to have Spider-man in the venom movies.  That's what this is about right?


Marvel can't stop them from doing that. Sony has the rights to use Spider-Man. He could have been in the first Venom movie, if they wanted.

The issue is that Disney is now asking for a slice of the Spider-Man pie in movies they do together. For Homecoming and Far From Home, they co-produced the movies with Sony footing the bill and Marvel/Disney helping with the creative, Sony got the box office profits, and Marvel/Disney got to use Spidey in their own movies (Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame).

Now Disney wants to do a 50/50 split, with both sharing production costs AND profits of future Spider-Man movies.

Sony doesn't want to share the pie.

Which is understandable. Even if the MCU connection means Spider-Man movies would make more money, 100% of 6 is still better than 50% of 10. There isn't an upside for Sony there.

Still, fans, myself included, want Sony to suck it up and come to some sort of an agreement even if it means they don't get all the pie.

Anyway, no, wanting to use Spider-Man in Venom movies isn't the issue. They can already do that.
 
2019-08-21 01:16:32 PM  

JolobinSmokin: They want to have Spider-man in the venom movies.  That's what this is about right?


No.

Sony already owns the rights to put SpiderMan in whatever movies they want to put him in.

Disney lacks the rights.

So Disney wants to give Sony far less %profits from the rights to the character than what they have been recieving, because they can make a more profitable movie than Sony could do alone.

Honestly, Sony screwing Disney over sounds like their best move. IF Disney doesn't offer a better deal.
 
2019-08-21 01:18:45 PM  

Captain Shaky: JolobinSmokin: They want to have Spider-man in the venom movies.  That's what this is about right?

No.

Sony already owns the rights to put SpiderMan in whatever movies they want to put him in.

Disney lacks the rights.

So Disney wants to give Sony far less %profits from the rights to the character than what they have been recieving, because they can make a more profitable movie than Sony could do alone.

Honestly, Sony screwing Disney over sounds like their best move. IF Disney doesn't offer a better deal.


See, that's what I clicked on TFA for, and the entire statement was about their relationship with Fiege.
 
2019-08-21 01:20:57 PM  

shoegaze99: JolobinSmokin: They want to have Spider-man in the venom movies.  That's what this is about right?

Marvel can't stop them from doing that. Sony has the rights to use Spider-Man. He could have been in the first Venom movie, if they wanted.

The issue is that Disney is now asking for a slice of the Spider-Man pie in movies they do together. For Homecoming and Far From Home, they co-produced the movies with Sony footing the bill and Marvel/Disney helping with the creative, Sony got the box office profits, and Marvel/Disney got to use Spidey in their own movies (Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame).

Now Disney wants to do a 50/50 split, with both sharing production costs AND profits of future Spider-Man movies.

Sony doesn't want to share the pie.

Which is understandable. Even if the MCU connection means Spider-Man movies would make more money, 100% of 6 is still better than 50% of 10. There isn't an upside for Sony there.

Still, fans, myself included, want Sony to suck it up and come to some sort of an agreement even if it means they don't get all the pie.

Anyway, no, wanting to use Spider-Man in Venom movies isn't the issue. They can already do that.


Yeah, I'm having trouble being mad at Sony over this one. Zero to 50/50 is a big leap.

I know the Mouse wants to vacuum up every dollar, but come on.
 
2019-08-21 01:21:56 PM  

no1curr: Alphax: Wait.. Feige is too busy for something or other now.. too many movies to produce?

Apparently 5 movies and 5 miniseries is much more difficult to do than the previous 23 films.

I suspect this will all be resolved by Phase 5 or whenever the next Spider-Man appearance is supposed to be.


That's 5 movies and 5 miniseries in 2 years. That's a lot, especially since the mini-series' will be roughly the length of 3 movies each. The 23 previous films were over the course of 11 years. I imagine that, as much as Feige loves Spiderman, he has to be a little bit relieved to not have 1-2 more movies thrown on his plate.

As I said in a previous thread if this ends with continued shared IP, but Sony runs the Spiderman franchise on their own, that's not unreasonable.
 
2019-08-21 01:21:57 PM  

shoegaze99: JolobinSmokin: They want to have Spider-man in the venom movies.  That's what this is about right?

Marvel can't stop them from doing that. Sony has the rights to use Spider-Man. He could have been in the first Venom movie, if they wanted.

The issue is that Disney is now asking for a slice of the Spider-Man pie in movies they do together. For Homecoming and Far From Home, they co-produced the movies with Sony footing the bill and Marvel/Disney helping with the creative, Sony got the box office profits, and Marvel/Disney got to use Spidey in their own movies (Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame).

Now Disney wants to do a 50/50 split, with both sharing production costs AND profits of future Spider-Man movies.

Sony doesn't want to share the pie.

Which is understandable. Even if the MCU connection means Spider-Man movies would make more money, 100% of 6 is still better than 50% of 10. There isn't an upside for Sony there.

Still, fans, myself included, want Sony to suck it up and come to some sort of an agreement even if it means they don't get all the pie.

Anyway, no, wanting to use Spider-Man in Venom movies isn't the issue. They can already do that.


What you said and also that Disney is willing to shed Spidey now that they have X-men and FF.  I'm beginning to think that the Sony Spidey deal was done with the full knowledge that Disney/Marvel was going to go hard after Fox.  Spiderman was just a stopgap, with the upside that maybe Sony would cave on Disney's demands once Disney could bargain from (more of) a position of strength.
 
2019-08-21 01:22:22 PM  

Captain Shaky: JolobinSmokin: They want to have Spider-man in the venom movies.  That's what this is about right?

No.

Sony already owns the rights to put SpiderMan in whatever movies they want to put him in.

Disney lacks the rights.

So Disney wants to give Sony far less %profits from the rights to the character than what they have been recieving, because they can make a more profitable movie than Sony could do alone.

Honestly, Sony screwing Disney over sounds like their best move. IF Disney doesn't offer a better deal.


REVENUE. NOT PROFIT.
 
2019-08-21 01:23:04 PM  

Captain Shaky: JolobinSmokin: They want to have Spider-man in the venom movies.  That's what this is about right?

No.

Sony already owns the rights to put SpiderMan in whatever movies they want to put him in.

Disney lacks the rights.

So Disney wants to give Sony far less %profits from the rights to the character than what they have been recieving, because they can make a more profitable movie than Sony could do alone.

Honestly, Sony screwing Disney over sounds like their best move. IF Disney doesn't offer a better deal.


It's known that the current deal arrangements are that Sony gets 95% of the profits from solo Spidey films, and Disney gets the remaining 5%. The original source of the story (Deadline, IIRC) doesn't actually include quotes from Sony or Disney, just "reports" of what's going on, so the 50% thing remains rumour.

Even if it's true though, I don't think it's unreasonable for Disney to come back to the table and say to Sony "look, with our help the latest Spider-Man movie made twice as much as the last one you did on your own. We think we should be getting a bit more than 5%." I don't think there's any good reason why Sony opens with 5%, Disney with 50%, and they negotiate to somewhere in between.
 
2019-08-21 01:25:02 PM  

RyansPrivates: Nothing to see here, really. Just two media giants having it out. Nothing is settled until it is settled.  I imagine Sony will cave more because they need the MCU more than the MCU needs them (especially with FF and X-Men now under Disney's control)


Sony's decisions are in the hands of Tom Rothman, the man who decided to sew Deadpool's mouth shut, who refused to even consider a proper Deadpool film and who greenlit Fant4stic.

Do not expect rational decisions.
 
2019-08-21 01:25:55 PM  

EvilElecBlanket: shoegaze99: JolobinSmokin: They want to have Spider-man in the venom movies.  That's what this is about right?

Marvel can't stop them from doing that. Sony has the rights to use Spider-Man. He could have been in the first Venom movie, if they wanted.

The issue is that Disney is now asking for a slice of the Spider-Man pie in movies they do together. For Homecoming and Far From Home, they co-produced the movies with Sony footing the bill and Marvel/Disney helping with the creative, Sony got the box office profits, and Marvel/Disney got to use Spidey in their own movies (Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame).

Now Disney wants to do a 50/50 split, with both sharing production costs AND profits of future Spider-Man movies.

Sony doesn't want to share the pie.

Which is understandable. Even if the MCU connection means Spider-Man movies would make more money, 100% of 6 is still better than 50% of 10. There isn't an upside for Sony there.

Still, fans, myself included, want Sony to suck it up and come to some sort of an agreement even if it means they don't get all the pie.

Anyway, no, wanting to use Spider-Man in Venom movies isn't the issue. They can already do that.

Yeah, I'm having trouble being mad at Sony over this one. Zero to 50/50 is a big leap.

I know the Mouse wants to vacuum up every dollar, but come on.


You do have to take into consideration that the Spider-man franchise was kind of dead in the water before he went to the MCU. Disney reviving a rival studio's franchise for practically nothing doesn't make a lot of sense
 
2019-08-21 01:27:10 PM  

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2019-08-21 01:30:11 PM  
I'd heard Disney wanted to produce half, and take half the profit. Sony says Kevin Feige "is too busy" to produce half and take half the money. They corroborate what Disney's claims.
 
2019-08-21 01:32:10 PM  

TDWCom29: EvilElecBlanket: shoegaze99: JolobinSmokin: They want to have Spider-man in the venom movies.  That's what this is about right?

Marvel can't stop them from doing that. Sony has the rights to use Spider-Man. He could have been in the first Venom movie, if they wanted.

The issue is that Disney is now asking for a slice of the Spider-Man pie in movies they do together. For Homecoming and Far From Home, they co-produced the movies with Sony footing the bill and Marvel/Disney helping with the creative, Sony got the box office profits, and Marvel/Disney got to use Spidey in their own movies (Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame).

Now Disney wants to do a 50/50 split, with both sharing production costs AND profits of future Spider-Man movies.

Sony doesn't want to share the pie.

Which is understandable. Even if the MCU connection means Spider-Man movies would make more money, 100% of 6 is still better than 50% of 10. There isn't an upside for Sony there.

Still, fans, myself included, want Sony to suck it up and come to some sort of an agreement even if it means they don't get all the pie.

Anyway, no, wanting to use Spider-Man in Venom movies isn't the issue. They can already do that.

Yeah, I'm having trouble being mad at Sony over this one. Zero to 50/50 is a big leap.

I know the Mouse wants to vacuum up every dollar, but come on.

You do have to take into consideration that the Spider-man franchise was kind of dead in the water before he went to the MCU. Disney reviving a rival studio's franchise for practically nothing doesn't make a lot of sense


I agree. I just think Disney came into this waving their dick around a bit too much. This is the problem now since everyone is the little guy compared to Disney. They are going to steamroller over everybody if no one stands up to them.
 
2019-08-21 01:32:13 PM  
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2019-08-21 01:35:24 PM  

EvilElecBlanket: TDWCom29: EvilElecBlanket: shoegaze99: JolobinSmokin: They want to have Spider-man in the venom movies.  That's what this is about right?

Marvel can't stop them from doing that. Sony has the rights to use Spider-Man. He could have been in the first Venom movie, if they wanted.

The issue is that Disney is now asking for a slice of the Spider-Man pie in movies they do together. For Homecoming and Far From Home, they co-produced the movies with Sony footing the bill and Marvel/Disney helping with the creative, Sony got the box office profits, and Marvel/Disney got to use Spidey in their own movies (Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame).

Now Disney wants to do a 50/50 split, with both sharing production costs AND profits of future Spider-Man movies.

Sony doesn't want to share the pie.

Which is understandable. Even if the MCU connection means Spider-Man movies would make more money, 100% of 6 is still better than 50% of 10. There isn't an upside for Sony there.

Still, fans, myself included, want Sony to suck it up and come to some sort of an agreement even if it means they don't get all the pie.

Anyway, no, wanting to use Spider-Man in Venom movies isn't the issue. They can already do that.

Yeah, I'm having trouble being mad at Sony over this one. Zero to 50/50 is a big leap.

I know the Mouse wants to vacuum up every dollar, but come on.

You do have to take into consideration that the Spider-man franchise was kind of dead in the water before he went to the MCU. Disney reviving a rival studio's franchise for practically nothing doesn't make a lot of sense

I agree. I just think Disney came into this waving their dick around a bit too much. This is the problem now since everyone is the little guy compared to Disney. They are going to steamroller over everybody if no one stands up to them.


The 50% line is from the Deadline article. It has not been corroborated by either party, so it's only a rumour until one of them says otherwise. And even then, it's an opening negotiating position - Sony outrageously says 5%, Disney outrageously says 50%, then they negotiate to somewhere in between. It's just bazaar haggling, writ large.
 
2019-08-21 01:35:45 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: Captain Shaky: JolobinSmokin: They want to have Spider-man in the venom movies.  That's what this is about right?

No.

Sony already owns the rights to put SpiderMan in whatever movies they want to put him in.

Disney lacks the rights.

So Disney wants to give Sony far less %profits from the rights to the character than what they have been recieving, because they can make a more profitable movie than Sony could do alone.

Honestly, Sony screwing Disney over sounds like their best move. IF Disney doesn't offer a better deal.

It's known that the current deal arrangements are that Sony gets 95% of the profits from solo Spidey films, and Disney gets the remaining 5%. The original source of the story (Deadline, IIRC) doesn't actually include quotes from Sony or Disney, just "reports" of what's going on, so the 50% thing remains rumour.

Even if it's true though, I don't think it's unreasonable for Disney to come back to the table and say to Sony "look, with our help the latest Spider-Man movie made twice as much as the last one you did on your own. We think we should be getting a bit more than 5%." I don't think there's any good reason why Sony opens with 5%, Disney with 50%, and they negotiate to somewhere in between.


It works like this......

Sony has the rights. They can sell or lend the rights to this creative property as they choose. They would likely do so if the purchaser is willing to pay them more than they can make without them.

It is up to Disney alone to meet their price or not.


Blaiming the people who own the property for not selling under terms that you think are good enough for them is bullshiat.

As an artist myself, I feel this is Sony's business to do whatever they want with their intellectual property. Feel free to think they are daft for it. But they get no blame for a deal not happening.
 
2019-08-21 01:37:57 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: This whole thing is so quintessentially Sony. You can pretty much hear the Sony suits insisting they'd rather own 100% of a trash fire than 50% of a masterpiece, which is just how they do business re: Spider-Man.

I'm sure whatever solo Spidey flick they do next will make a respectable profit, but I don't doubt that whatever business it does, its profit will only be half of what they'd do when partnered with Marvel. I know I have no interest in seeing any Sony-only Spidey films*, so I'll be skipping it and possibly checking it out for free on streaming later, like I did with ASM, ASM2, and Venom (which were all garbage).


Here's more Disney dick sucking.

No, the issue is Disney clawing even more revenue out of a property that they can. Their business practices are shiat. Not to defend Sony, but this is Disney greed through and through.
 
2019-08-21 01:41:42 PM  

Captain Shaky: NeedlesslyCanadian: Captain Shaky: JolobinSmokin: They want to have Spider-man in the venom movies.  That's what this is about right?

No.

Sony already owns the rights to put SpiderMan in whatever movies they want to put him in.

Disney lacks the rights.

So Disney wants to give Sony far less %profits from the rights to the character than what they have been recieving, because they can make a more profitable movie than Sony could do alone.

Honestly, Sony screwing Disney over sounds like their best move. IF Disney doesn't offer a better deal.

It's known that the current deal arrangements are that Sony gets 95% of the profits from solo Spidey films, and Disney gets the remaining 5%. The original source of the story (Deadline, IIRC) doesn't actually include quotes from Sony or Disney, just "reports" of what's going on, so the 50% thing remains rumour.

Even if it's true though, I don't think it's unreasonable for Disney to come back to the table and say to Sony "look, with our help the latest Spider-Man movie made twice as much as the last one you did on your own. We think we should be getting a bit more than 5%." I don't think there's any good reason why Sony opens with 5%, Disney with 50%, and they negotiate to somewhere in between.

It works like this......

Sony has the rights. They can sell or lend the rights to this creative property as they choose. They would likely do so if the purchaser is willing to pay them more than they can make without them.

It is up to Disney alone to meet their price or not.


Blaiming the people who own the property for not selling under terms that you think are good enough for them is bullshiat.

As an artist myself, I feel this is Sony's business to do whatever they want with their intellectual property. Feel free to think they are daft for it. But they get no blame for a deal not happening.


You're not incorrect, but that's also a fundamental misunderstanding of how negotiating works. Sony isn't selling a product at a fixed price like a store, this is haggling for terms, like a bazaar. The idea is to reach an agreement that's most beneficial to both parties. Yes Sony will still make money in the future, but this move will hurt them, whereas partnership with Marvel benefits them.

50% (if it's even true, it's not confirmed yet) is probably unreasonable, but it's an opening gambit to ask for more than 5%. It's not Disney's sole demand, it's an opening ask.
 
2019-08-21 01:42:27 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: NeedlesslyCanadian: This whole thing is so quintessentially Sony. You can pretty much hear the Sony suits insisting they'd rather own 100% of a trash fire than 50% of a masterpiece, which is just how they do business re: Spider-Man.

I'm sure whatever solo Spidey flick they do next will make a respectable profit, but I don't doubt that whatever business it does, its profit will only be half of what they'd do when partnered with Marvel. I know I have no interest in seeing any Sony-only Spidey films*, so I'll be skipping it and possibly checking it out for free on streaming later, like I did with ASM, ASM2, and Venom (which were all garbage).

Here's more Disney dick sucking.

No, the issue is Disney clawing even more revenue out of a property that they can. Their business practices are shiat. Not to defend Sony, but this is Disney greed through and through.


Sony hasn't made a good Spider-Man movie on their own since Spider-Man 2. Cry more.
 
2019-08-21 01:45:34 PM  
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FFS, these hourly articles about mega-conglomos slap-fighting over intellectual property has to stop.
 
2019-08-21 01:45:34 PM  

TDWCom29: You do have to take into consideration that the Spider-man franchise was kind of dead in the water before he went to the MCU. Disney reviving a rival studio's franchise for practically nothing doesn't make a lot of sense


Exactly.

If we hadn't been introduced to Spiderman in Civil War, Sony would have gone ahead and done something with the IP, but people would not have watched it.

We dove into Homecoming because of what Marvel was able to do with that character in the limited scope in CW and we went to Far from Home because of how the character was used in the subsequent movies.

Last Spiderman movie we paid to see in the theaters was Spiderman 2 with Tobey Maguire.  We didn't watch number 3, and we didn't watch Andrew Garfield.

So sure Sony, go ahead and hold things up because you want all the money.  I understand you have the responsibility to shareholders or something.  But is it really smart to take all the possible money off the table?
 
2019-08-21 01:46:58 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Not to defend Sony, but this is Disney greed through and through.


Sony made 5 Spider-Man films before loaning Holland to Disney, not a-one of them did half as well as the pair Disney's had input on. (And Into the Spider-Verse, which came out after Homecoming and was not supposed to be as big a deal as it was, likely benefited from the deal as well.)

Sony might have made a sweet pile of cash from the others, but it would seem Disney's newly inflated sense of worth has some dollars-and-sense behind it.

Why, in Disney's mind, should they get paid peanuts for making Sony a few hundred mil?

// if you're a star dev for Apple and you decide to loan yourself out to Google's Android team, if the first two projects you worked on made Android WAY better and people loved them, wouldn't it make sense to ask for a raise before the third?
 
2019-08-21 01:49:03 PM  
Could be worse. Could be Warner Bros.
 
2019-08-21 01:50:00 PM  

Trocadero: Alphax: Wait.. Feige is too busy for something or other now.. too many movies to produce?

He's doing the new TV shows, and those take up more day to day time than a movie does, allegedly. And he's going full crossover event collector nerd, you'll have to watch the Wanda TV show to figure out what the hell is going on in Dr. Strange 2. It's the goddamn 90's all over again, all we need now are holofoil movie ticket stubs.


And I know I'll be buying at least 2 tickets so I can keep one pristine because it's sure to increase in value, right? I mean they only printed something like 2.5 million or so copies of X-Force #1, each with a collectible trading card.... you mean, they oversaturated the marked and I could get more value from actual shiat? Oh... my whole retirement plan..
 
2019-08-21 01:57:37 PM  

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FFS, these hourly articles about mega-conglomos slap-fighting over intellectual property has to stop.


You do know you don't have to read any of this, right?
 
2019-08-21 02:01:36 PM  

TDWCom29: You do have to take into consideration that the Spider-man franchise was kind of dead in the water before he went to the MCU. Disney reviving a rival studio's franchise for practically nothing doesn't make a lot of sense


I am sticking with the theory that this was a "stopgap" while Disney was eying the real prize of the Fox assets.
 
2019-08-21 02:02:59 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Not to defend Sony, but this is Disney greed through and through.

Sony made 5 Spider-Man films before loaning Holland to Disney, not a-one of them did half as well as the pair Disney's had input on.


????

The first Spiderman movie made more domestically than either of the last two MCU versions, even before inflation which really takes it to another level. And 2 made about the same amount as FFH. Amazing Spiderman was a definite downgrade in box office, but the first 3 were absolute smashes.
 
2019-08-21 02:03:04 PM  

Mike_LowELL: whidbey: What "hoopla?" Did they cast a female minority again in lead roles?

GOLL-LEEE.

The imagined enemies in my head are being totally triggered by this thing I brought up out of the blue.  Heheh.  They're so mad right now.


Ha ha! This is every comment thread on this site.

Well done.
 
2019-08-21 02:05:58 PM  

whidbey: What "hoopla?" Did they cast a female minority again in lead roles?

GOLL-LEEE.


Well, if you want to be technical, removing Spider-Man from the MCU made it more likely that Captain Marvel would be the Avenger team leader not Spider-Man.

I'm good with no more MCU Spider-Man. In fact you can remove other MCU characters like the Hulk, Hawkeye, and Dr. Strange. Leave X-men and FF in the untouched for a few years.
 
2019-08-21 02:07:54 PM  

Captain Shaky: NeedlesslyCanadian: Captain Shaky: JolobinSmokin: They want to have Spider-man in the venom movies.  That's what this is about right?

No.

Sony already owns the rights to put SpiderMan in whatever movies they want to put him in.

Disney lacks the rights.

So Disney wants to give Sony far less %profits from the rights to the character than what they have been recieving, because they can make a more profitable movie than Sony could do alone.

Honestly, Sony screwing Disney over sounds like their best move. IF Disney doesn't offer a better deal.

It's known that the current deal arrangements are that Sony gets 95% of the profits from solo Spidey films, and Disney gets the remaining 5%. The original source of the story (Deadline, IIRC) doesn't actually include quotes from Sony or Disney, just "reports" of what's going on, so the 50% thing remains rumour.

Even if it's true though, I don't think it's unreasonable for Disney to come back to the table and say to Sony "look, with our help the latest Spider-Man movie made twice as much as the last one you did on your own. We think we should be getting a bit more than 5%." I don't think there's any good reason why Sony opens with 5%, Disney with 50%, and they negotiate to somewhere in between.

It works like this......

Sony has the rights. They can sell or lend the rights to this creative property as they choose. They would likely do so if the purchaser is willing to pay them more than they can make without them.

It is up to Disney alone to meet their price or not.


Blaiming the people who own the property for not selling under terms that you think are good enough for them is bullshiat.

As an artist myself, I feel this is Sony's business to do whatever they want with their intellectual property. Feel free to think they are daft for it. But they get no blame for a deal not happening.


You're partially correct.  It's completely within Sony's rights to destroy the franchise. But they absolutely deserve the blame for it if/when that happens.
 
2019-08-21 02:09:23 PM  

TDWCom29: Dr Dreidel: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Not to defend Sony, but this is Disney greed through and through.

Sony made 5 Spider-Man films before loaning Holland to Disney, not a-one of them did half as well as the pair Disney's had input on.

????

The first Spiderman movie made more domestically than either of the last two MCU versions, even before inflation which really takes it to another level. And 2 made about the same amount as FFH. Amazing Spiderman was a definite downgrade in box office, but the first 3 were absolute smashes.


https://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchi​s​es/chart/?id=spiderman.htm

Just for reference
 
2019-08-21 02:13:32 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: NeedlesslyCanadian: This whole thing is so quintessentially Sony. You can pretty much hear the Sony suits insisting they'd rather own 100% of a trash fire than 50% of a masterpiece, which is just how they do business re: Spider-Man.

I'm sure whatever solo Spidey flick they do next will make a respectable profit, but I don't doubt that whatever business it does, its profit will only be half of what they'd do when partnered with Marvel. I know I have no interest in seeing any Sony-only Spidey films*, so I'll be skipping it and possibly checking it out for free on streaming later, like I did with ASM, ASM2, and Venom (which were all garbage).

Here's more Disney dick sucking.

No, the issue is Disney clawing even more revenue out of a property that they can. Their business practices are shiat. Not to defend Sony, but this is Disney greed through and through.

Sony hasn't made a good Spider-Man movie on their own since Spider-Man 2. Cry more.


Spiderverse was better than Far From Home and Homecoming. However, even I'll admit that's an outlier, and w/o Lord and Miller, I don't trust Sony at all. Just like Fox, Logan and Deadpool are total outliers from their usual X-Men output. Sometimes you actually need to read reviews.
 
2019-08-21 02:13:45 PM  

TDWCom29: Dr Dreidel: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Not to defend Sony, but this is Disney greed through and through.

Sony made 5 Spider-Man films before loaning Holland to Disney, not a-one of them did half as well as the pair Disney's had input on.

????

The first Spiderman movie made more domestically than either of the last two MCU versions, even before inflation which really takes it to another level. And 2 made about the same amount as FFH. Amazing Spiderman was a definite downgrade in box office, but the first 3 were absolute smashes.


I was going from memory. Which was incorrect. Spider-Man (Maguire #1) is apparently still the top grossing one.

Worldwide take, FFH is #1 and Homecoming is #3 - which still doesn't make my point exactly (especially since the adjusted numbers, domestically speaking, show the original trilogy as the top 3), but it's at least closer to supporting my argument.

Oh well.

// there's also the fact that a cookie-cutter comics flick was fine in 2002, but 15 years later, audiences want more than just pearls hitting pavement and a meaningful speech about power and responsibility
// but that's also a tangent
// I also did not expect that Into the Spider-Verse did the worst of the bunch
 
2019-08-21 02:21:04 PM  
Well I for one am excited to see the continued adventures of Tom Holland as "Night Monkey" in the MCU.

Damn Shame about that spider fella.
 
2019-08-21 02:39:39 PM  

browneye: DecemberNitro: [media.tenor.com image 500x280]

FFS, these hourly articles about mega-conglomos slap-fighting over intellectual property has to stop.

You do know you don't have to read any of this, right?


YES I DO
 
2019-08-21 02:42:27 PM  

TDWCom29: EvilElecBlanket: shoegaze99: JolobinSmokin: They want to have Spider-man in the venom movies.  That's what this is about right?

Marvel can't stop them from doing that. Sony has the rights to use Spider-Man. He could have been in the first Venom movie, if they wanted.

The issue is that Disney is now asking for a slice of the Spider-Man pie in movies they do together. For Homecoming and Far From Home, they co-produced the movies with Sony footing the bill and Marvel/Disney helping with the creative, Sony got the box office profits, and Marvel/Disney got to use Spidey in their own movies (Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame).

Now Disney wants to do a 50/50 split, with both sharing production costs AND profits of future Spider-Man movies.

Sony doesn't want to share the pie.

Which is understandable. Even if the MCU connection means Spider-Man movies would make more money, 100% of 6 is still better than 50% of 10. There isn't an upside for Sony there.

Still, fans, myself included, want Sony to suck it up and come to some sort of an agreement even if it means they don't get all the pie.

Anyway, no, wanting to use Spider-Man in Venom movies isn't the issue. They can already do that.

Yeah, I'm having trouble being mad at Sony over this one. Zero to 50/50 is a big leap.

I know the Mouse wants to vacuum up every dollar, but come on.

You do have to take into consideration that the Spider-man franchise was kind of dead in the water before he went to the MCU. Disney reviving a rival studio's franchise for practically nothing doesn't make a lot of sense


Also spidey and all his friends and foes "belong" in the mcu.
Imho Sony is holding him hostage.
 
2019-08-21 02:43:04 PM  

Dimensio: RyansPrivates: Nothing to see here, really. Just two media giants having it out. Nothing is settled until it is settled.  I imagine Sony will cave more because they need the MCU more than the MCU needs them (especially with FF and X-Men now under Disney's control)

Sony's decisions are in the hands of Tom Rothman, the man who decided to sew Deadpool's mouth shut, who refused to even consider a proper Deadpool film and who greenlit Fant4stic.

Do not expect rational decisions.


Fox owned Deadpool until Disney just bought them...
 
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