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2019-08-21 10:53:00 AM  
I suppose if they piss off China they will have few options to build their shiatty merch for slave wages!  Where will they go?

Mexico?  Malaysia?  Vietnam?  Cambodia? Thailand? Hong Kong? India? Bangladesh? Philippines?
 
2019-08-21 11:34:46 AM  
And apparently they managed to fark up Star Wars Land. But I think they'll survive
 
2019-08-21 01:22:08 PM  
That movie came out years ago. Why would any one care? ...Wait. Is there yet another live action remake I haven't heard about?
 
2019-08-21 01:22:12 PM  
Mugato:

And apparently they managed to fark up Star Wars Land
 
2019-08-21 01:25:48 PM  

TylerParry: Mugato:

And apparently they managed to fark up Star Wars Land


If I say it once I will say it again...

Go make your own Star Wars movie with black jack and hookers.
 
2019-08-21 01:27:26 PM  
China's just a country:

"The World Is a Business, Mr. Beale"
Youtube V9XeyBd_IuA
 
2019-08-21 01:29:21 PM  

alice_600: TylerParry: Mugato:

And apparently they managed to fark up Star Wars Land

If I say it once I will say it again...

Go make your own Star Wars movie with black jack and hookers.


I have no idea what that means. I just meant that Disney reported a loss of attendance after opening SW Land.
 
2019-08-21 01:30:14 PM  
Well since it's money Disney values the most then just don't say anything at all, the internet will move on in a few days, the Chinese government however will have a much longer memory if they're pissed off.
 
2019-08-21 01:30:44 PM  
How's kowtowing to Beijing working out for you?
 
2019-08-21 01:31:21 PM  
Just replace the current actress with a white man and this conversation will change.
 
2019-08-21 01:35:30 PM  

Mugato: And apparently they managed to fark up Star Wars Land. But I think they'll survive


Yeah, let's concentrate on that bullshiat instead of human rights abuses.
 
2019-08-21 01:36:35 PM  
This may have cost them the very vocal Hong Kong market. But that isn't China, not any more.
 
2019-08-21 01:39:16 PM  
You gotta figure Disney is pissed off at her for even thinking of weighing in, regardless of which side she took.

Hope they like the movie in China.
 
2019-08-21 01:42:03 PM  

Invincible: This may have cost them the very vocal Hong Kong market. But that isn't China, not any more.


The concern is blowback costing them market in the west.
 
2019-08-21 01:42:47 PM  

Invincible: This may have cost them the very vocal Hong Kong market. But that isn't China, not any more.


Hard to build your female empowerment film on the back of slaughtered human rights protestors.
 
2019-08-21 01:43:08 PM  
The sad thing is that there is no way to know what her real opinion is on the matter.  China has showed that it is perfectly willing to lock up and torture its celebs and their families, on trumped up charges, so no one is going to cross Beijing from that community.
 
2019-08-21 01:43:09 PM  
"Disney can't support the protesters because their business in China is too important,"

Looks like the mouse has its priorities in order.
 
2019-08-21 01:46:38 PM  
 
2019-08-21 01:57:29 PM  
well that's what they get for taking a perfectly good animated film and redoing with real people
 
2019-08-21 01:59:38 PM  

hammettman: China's just a country:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/V9XeyBd_​IuA]


Holy fark that whole movie is just pure prophecy.  I can see how someone in 1976 could have watched it and thought it went waaaaaay over the top, but it's just dead on about the merging of news and entertainment.

/would totally watch "The Mao Zedong Hour" every week
//wonder if Fox News is having the same sort of meeting about Tucker Carlson that the UBS execs had about Howard Beale
///"accident" on his next hunting trip, perhaps?
 
2019-08-21 02:07:04 PM  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundun#​R​elease

I doubt they'd have the balls to do this again. And they still groveled like dogs to get Shanghai Disneyland.
 
2019-08-21 02:07:18 PM  
I'm surprised it's even being released there. With the whole Chinese thing of "we don't like movies that rewrite history, deal with the supernatural or time travel".
 
2019-08-21 02:07:44 PM  
I'm surprised China doesn't just start producing Disney knock-off films.
 
2019-08-21 02:10:41 PM  
Dear Hollywood executives:

This is what you get when you place quarterly profits over quality product. While I am sure you would be able to Box this movie and take the financial hit out of the cushion change from Avengers Endgame movie theaters, I would like to think you would take this as a lesson to stop playing to authoritarian leaders in other countries that happen to have a lot of people in them with money.

The Red Dawn reboot (for example) might have been a fun and mindless popcorn movie if you didn't change the villains to North Koreans at China's insistence.  That choice made it impossible for me to suspend my disbelief and I skipped your movie. I tend to skip a lot of movies nowadays and the Mulan controversy is just another example.

I know that profit and money have always been a major factor in movie production but shareholder gratification and the capitultion to hostile yet profitable governments have tipped the scales too far and your product is suffering now.
 
2019-08-21 02:11:52 PM  
China population where the government controls all the information to: 1.3 billion.
Population of Hong Kong: 7.4 million.

Wow that's such a problem Disney has. Wonder what they are gonna do.
 
2019-08-21 02:12:40 PM  

The Reverend Sam Hill: How's kowtowing to Beijing working out for you?


I'm pretty sure it's working out Scrooge McDuckilly for them so far.
 
2019-08-21 02:13:46 PM  

Nurglitch: I'm surprised China doesn't just start producing Disney knock-off films.


Start?

Exporting them would still be difficult; Disney could smash them internationally based on copyright and trademark treaties.
 
2019-08-21 02:15:51 PM  
The Last Jedi ruined Mulan forever.
 
2019-08-21 02:28:27 PM  

Mugato: alice_600: TylerParry: Mugato:

And apparently they managed to fark up Star Wars Land

If I say it once I will say it again...

Go make your own Star Wars movie with black jack and hookers.

I have no idea what that means. I just meant that Disney reported a loss of attendance after opening SW Land.


Disneyland is a tricky thing to gauge, because it isn't as much of tourist destination as Disney World (it's much more of a "locals" thing). That, people assuming it would be crowded, the fact that it wasn't completely finished, and that there's going to be an identical park in Disney World may have made predicting attendance a little tricky. Now, if the Disney World GE has disappointing attendance, then there might be an issue
 
2019-08-21 02:30:33 PM  

TDWCom29: Mugato: alice_600: TylerParry: Mugato:

And apparently they managed to fark up Star Wars Land

If I say it once I will say it again...

Go make your own Star Wars movie with black jack and hookers.

I have no idea what that means. I just meant that Disney reported a loss of attendance after opening SW Land.

Disneyland is a tricky thing to gauge, because it isn't as much of tourist destination as Disney World (it's much more of a "locals" thing). That, people assuming it would be crowded, the fact that it wasn't completely finished, and that there's going to be an identical park in Disney World may have made predicting attendance a little tricky. Now, if the Disney World GE has disappointing attendance, then there might be an issue


It's not exactly the same thing obviously, but when California Adventure opened it was considered a disappointment attendance-wise for years. But Disney World opened a land dedicated to a property no one claims to care about (Avatar) and they can't keep people away from it
 
2019-08-21 02:46:56 PM  

alice_600: TylerParry: Mugato:

And apparently they managed to fark up Star Wars Land

If I say it once I will say it again...

Go make your own Star Wars movie with black jack and hookers.


Dump the Star Wars part and you might have a movie there.
 
2019-08-21 03:02:29 PM  

alice_600: TylerParry: Mugato:

And apparently they managed to fark up Star Wars Land

If I say it once I will say it again...

Go make your own Star Wars movie with black jack and hookers.


They did, and it was pretty good.
Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2019-08-21 03:17:47 PM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Just replace the current actress with a white man and this conversation will change.


When Kevin Spacey was accused of assault he was replaced on All the Money in the World. Why not do the same here with a different actress and tell her to shut her damn mouth if asked anything political (at least until after the movie has been released on DVD).
 
2019-08-21 03:19:21 PM  
One of the nice things about animation is that the characters don't have opinions.
 
2019-08-21 03:24:45 PM  
Go ahead, Disney. Pick a side.

Either stand up for democratic principles and the rule of law, and support the protestors in Hong Kong, or stand up for unfettered capitalism without ethics or morals, and support the Chinese government.

You can't do both.

The last time you were asked to pick a side, Disney, you made Education for Death. You chose well. This time, try to choose well again.
 
2019-08-21 03:33:06 PM  

rummonkey: alice_600: TylerParry: Mugato:

And apparently they managed to fark up Star Wars Land

If I say it once I will say it again...

Go make your own Star Wars movie with black jack and hookers.

They did, and it was pretty good.
[Fark user image 206x305]


I smarted and funnied that post, but the TV series was better, because it didn't break the laws of physics.

No faster-than-light comms in Firefly, unlike Serenity.
 
2019-08-21 03:36:51 PM  

alice_600: TylerParry: Mugato:

And apparently they managed to fark up Star Wars Land

If I say it once I will say it again...

Go make your own Star Wars movie with black jack and hookers.


OMG is that the bet R.Johnson took for TLJ?!
 
2019-08-21 03:45:14 PM  
I'm boycotting Mulan until they decide to cast Nicholas Cage as Fua Mulan.
 
2019-08-21 03:56:25 PM  
I'm confused. Disney would have the opposite of a problem in China given the actress is supporting China.

They'd have a problem with the protesters in Hong Kong maybe, but those problems are likely to be non-existent soon.
 
2019-08-21 03:56:39 PM  

winedrinkingman: The sad thing is that there is no way to know what her real opinion is on the matter.  China has showed that it is perfectly willing to lock up and torture its celebs and their families, on trumped up charges, so no one is going to cross Beijing from that community.


Who gives a shiat?

No, really - I get what you're saying, but the idea that we're somehow not supposed to be outraged at this farkwit's authoritarian embrace of China because they "could" be somehow forcing her to say these things lest Chinese officials strap the rat cage onto her dad's face or Chinese lawyers seize her money is ludicrous in the face of the simple fact that there's no evidence of any of that.

What we see, so far, is her simply voicing her support for authoritarianism in the name of her own country. We don't take it from Trump supporters - why should we take it from Xi supporters?
 
2019-08-21 03:58:21 PM  

dittybopper: rummonkey: alice_600: TylerParry: Mugato:

And apparently they managed to fark up Star Wars Land

If I say it once I will say it again...

Go make your own Star Wars movie with black jack and hookers.

They did, and it was pretty good.
[Fark user image 206x305]

I smarted and funnied that post, but the TV series was better, because it didn't break the laws of physics.

No faster-than-light comms in Firefly, unlike Serenity.


Kaylee in a frilly dress, your point is logged but disregarded. :)

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2019-08-21 04:03:14 PM  

netweavr: I'm confused. Disney would have the opposite of a problem in China given the actress is supporting China.

They'd have a problem with the protesters in Hong Kong rest of the world maybe, but those problems are likely to be non-existent soon remembered for some time.


It's not hard to understand.

It's simple - does Disney take the money or stand on principle? If Disney sides with China, they take the money and tell the rest of the world that it's OK dispense with principles, especially if you're rich. If Disney sides with Hong Kong, they lose the money but tell the rest of the world that it's worth it to stand on principles, even if you're rich.

Disney hoped to avoid making that choice, by staying on the fence and keeping quiet, except that one of their actresses decided to speak for Disney in an unofficial capacity, so Disney now has to either support her (and China) or disavow her (and support Hong Kong.) If they do the former, they take the money. If they do the latter, they stand on principle.

It's been 30 years since Tiananmen Square, and no one's forgotten. It'll be interesting to see what Disney does, as Disney can't serve two masters.
 
2019-08-21 04:39:26 PM  

FormlessOne: It's been 30 years since Tiananmen Square, and no one's forgotten. It'll be interesting to see what Disney does, as Disney can't serve two masters.


Yet Disney, like many other transnational corporations that have desire to do business with China, will do their darnedest to do so.
 
2019-08-21 04:46:40 PM  

alice_600: TylerParry: Mugato:

And apparently they managed to fark up Star Wars Land

If I say it once I will say it again...

Go make your own Star Wars movie with black jack and hookers.


In fact, forget the Star Wars movie!
 
2019-08-21 04:51:30 PM  

TDWCom29: TDWCom29: Mugato: alice_600: TylerParry: Mugato:

And apparently they managed to fark up Star Wars Land

If I say it once I will say it again...

Go make your own Star Wars movie with black jack and hookers.

I have no idea what that means. I just meant that Disney reported a loss of attendance after opening SW Land.

Disneyland is a tricky thing to gauge, because it isn't as much of tourist destination as Disney World (it's much more of a "locals" thing). That, people assuming it would be crowded, the fact that it wasn't completely finished, and that there's going to be an identical park in Disney World may have made predicting attendance a little tricky. Now, if the Disney World GE has disappointing attendance, then there might be an issue

It's not exactly the same thing obviously, but when California Adventure opened it was considered a disappointment attendance-wise for years. But Disney World opened a land dedicated to a property no one claims to care about (Avatar) and they can't keep people away from it


An Excruciatingly Deep Dive into the Avatar Theme Park
Youtube xrIxGWterYA


Super good breakdown of the issues with that park, but also what is really cool about it.
 
2019-08-21 05:26:07 PM  

FormlessOne: netweavr: I'm confused. Disney would have the opposite of a problem in China given the actress is supporting China.

They'd have a problem with the protesters in Hong Kong rest of the world maybe, but those problems are likely to be non-existent soon remembered for some time.

It's not hard to understand.

It's simple - does Disney take the money or stand on principle? If Disney sides with China, they take the money and tell the rest of the world that it's OK dispense with principles, especially if you're rich. If Disney sides with Hong Kong, they lose the money but tell the rest of the world that it's worth it to stand on principles, even if you're rich.

Disney hoped to avoid making that choice, by staying on the fence and keeping quiet, except that one of their actresses decided to speak for Disney in an unofficial capacity, so Disney now has to either support her (and China) or disavow her (and support Hong Kong.) If they do the former, they take the money. If they do the latter, they stand on principle.

It's been 30 years since Tiananmen Square, and no one's forgotten. It'll be interesting to see what Disney does, as Disney can't serve two masters.


"We would like to make it expressly clear that any and all opinions expressed by Crystal Liu are hers and hers alone, and do not represent the opinions of this studio. We at Disney feel it would be inappropriate for us, an entertainment company, to weigh in on any matters concerning the governance of other countries, and we take no stance of any kind in regards to how China and Hong Kong choose to conduct their affairs."

/movie studios only take sides when it ties nicely into a marketing campaign. Openly voicing support or disdain for China results in lost revenue either way, so there's no appeal for Disney to involve themselves at all
 
2019-08-21 05:50:32 PM  

alice_600: TylerParry: Mugato:

And apparently they managed to fark up Star Wars Land

If I say it once I will say it again...

Go make your own Star Wars movie with black jack and hookers.


A movie with Twi'lek hookers and Corellian blackjack.

You know what? Forget the movie!
 
2019-08-21 06:12:59 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: TDWCom29: TDWCom29: Mugato: alice_600: TylerParry: Mugato:

And apparently they managed to fark up Star Wars Land

If I say it once I will say it again...

Go make your own Star Wars movie with black jack and hookers.

I have no idea what that means. I just meant that Disney reported a loss of attendance after opening SW Land.

Disneyland is a tricky thing to gauge, because it isn't as much of tourist destination as Disney World (it's much more of a "locals" thing). That, people assuming it would be crowded, the fact that it wasn't completely finished, and that there's going to be an identical park in Disney World may have made predicting attendance a little tricky. Now, if the Disney World GE has disappointing attendance, then there might be an issue

It's not exactly the same thing obviously, but when California Adventure opened it was considered a disappointment attendance-wise for years. But Disney World opened a land dedicated to a property no one claims to care about (Avatar) and they can't keep people away from it

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/xrIxGWte​rYA]

Super good breakdown of the issues with that park, but also what is really cool about it.


I should also add that everything I've read about GE (even on the normally negative cesspool that is twitter) has raved about how great it is. So in that way they haven't seemed to fark it up at least
 
2019-08-21 06:50:58 PM  

rummonkey: Kaylee in a frilly dress, your point is logged but disregarded. :)


Yet another reason the series was better than the movie.

The only thing the movie had for it was this:

static.comicvine.comView Full Size


"Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this waif."


musingsfromus.comView Full Size


Don't be too proud of this schizophrenic terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy some reavers is insignificant next to the power of the Force.
 
2019-08-21 07:03:18 PM  

Rwa2play: FormlessOne: It's been 30 years since Tiananmen Square, and no one's forgotten. It'll be interesting to see what Disney does, as Disney can't serve two masters.

Yet Disney, like many other transnational corporations that have desire to do business with China, will do their darnedest to do so.


And we shall be all the poorer because of it.

No more films like "Kundun", "Seven Years in Tibet" or "Red Corner".   Any studio that dares to make a film that in any way, shape, or form criticizes the People's Republic of China, the Communist Party of China, or Chinese culture in any way will result in that whole studio being locked out of the Chinese market, which is huge and still growing.

And even if you make nice, like MGM did with Red Dawn in 2012 (changing the bad guys from Chinese to North Korean), that doesn't mean China will forgive you.
 
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