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(Air Force Times)   Despite the Air Force's best efforts to euthanize it in favor of the perpetually unready F-35A, the A-10 Warthog did what it was built to: survive. The entire fleet of 173 finally finished receiving new wings to last through 2040. BRRRRRT wants a tag   (airforcetimes.com) divider line
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2019-08-17 2:29:42 PM  
Its a perfect ground support jet.  And we need that in an era of constant small scale battles in perma-war with terrorists...and terrorists we make without perma-war.
 
2019-08-17 2:32:44 PM  
Nothing quite like a Mach 2 stealth fighter to combat guys in the desert with small arms and mortars.
 
2019-08-17 2:38:00 PM  
My favorite description of the GAU-8 Avenger

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2019-08-17 2:57:16 PM  
I love the A-10, I stood in the 100° heat watching them at Pima, such cool machines. They also have an SR-71 there, so yeah, it was a pretty f*ckin' awesome day.
 
2019-08-17 3:00:49 PM  

Gubbo: Nothing quite like a Mach 2 stealth fighter to combat guys in the desert with small arms and mortars.


The Simpsons Bogey Intercept
Youtube oY-pdk_FWh0
 
2019-08-17 3:11:41 PM  
F-35's a bust, the giant line of them waiting for repair shoulda told ya.

/that and the pentagon's order for the f-15x
 
2019-08-17 4:41:24 PM  
One of the very few military programs I am proud to support. THANK YOU to everyone involved.

If you're going to send ground troops in, they need this for air support.
 
2019-08-17 5:14:15 PM  
As god is my witness, I thought the F-35 could fly.
 
2019-08-17 5:14:15 PM  

Gubbo: Nothing quite like a Mach 2 stealth fighter to combat guys in the desert with small arms and mortars.


We need the stealth to bomb people who have never shiat in a flush toilet. It's important.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2019-08-17 5:16:00 PM  
The way the Air Force was partitioned off from the Army was misguided. Aircraft with a specific ground-support role, regardless of wing-configuration, should be fielded by the Army if the Air Force isn't interested in the role. The A-10 arguably was designed with this in-mind, even back to its anti-armor intent from the earliest days.

I have no problem with the Air Force's role as in establishing and maintaining air superiority and in air-to-ground missions outside of a ground-support role, but if the Air Force doesn't want to maintain aircraft for supporting ground forces, the branch responsible for those troops should have the option itself.
 
2019-08-17 5:23:32 PM  

TWX: The way the Air Force was partitioned off from the Army was misguided. Aircraft with a specific ground-support role, regardless of wing-configuration, should be fielded by the Army if the Air Force isn't interested in the role. The A-10 arguably was designed with this in-mind, even back to its anti-armor intent from the earliest days.

I have no problem with the Air Force's role as in establishing and maintaining air superiority and in air-to-ground missions outside of a ground-support role, but if the Air Force doesn't want to maintain aircraft for supporting ground forces, the branch responsible for those troops should have the option itself.


From what I understand, there WERE active discussions to give the A-10 to the Army.

I believe that is exactly what should occur, but I'm just glad she's still flying.
 
2019-08-17 5:25:52 PM  

scottydoesntknow: My favorite description of the GAU-8 Avenger

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An unrivaled masterpiece
 
2019-08-17 5:29:05 PM  
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i am fire.  I am death.
 
2019-08-17 5:34:55 PM  
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2019-08-17 5:37:44 PM  

Flappyhead: [Fark user image image 425x318]

i am fire.  I am death.


*fap* *fap* *fap*
 
2019-08-17 5:43:52 PM  
From the article:


These aircraft account for about 61 percent of the Air Force's roughly 282 Warthogs.


Not "The entire fleet of 173", 173 of the roughly 282.
 
2019-08-17 5:49:35 PM  

Gubbo: Nothing quite like a Mach 2 stealth fighter to combat guys in the desert with small arms and mortars.


Please, the F-35 can't do Mach 2.
 
2019-08-17 6:00:41 PM  
The AF in this scenario sounds like, paradoxically, a disapproving mother who wants her daughter to dump the solid, dependable SO she's been dating for years and instead hook up with the brash young w/e on a motorcycle that can't hold a job down for shiat and is constantly high on meth but LOOKS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING (all because the mom secretly wants to nail that and wants to live vicariously through the daughter).
 
2019-08-17 6:01:33 PM  

Jubeebee: Gubbo: Nothing quite like a Mach 2 stealth fighter to combat guys in the desert with small arms and mortars.

Please, the F-35 can't do Mach 2.


Hard to do Mach anything while still in the hangar.
 
2019-08-17 6:03:10 PM  
The one thing I don't get about Fark's perpetual sloppy BJ of the A-10 (really just the cannon) is the BRRT meme itself. 4200rpm is way too fast to resemble a machine gun sound. The recordings I've heard of the GAU-8 had more of an angry VWEEE sound. You could almost mistake it for an engine going haywire.
 
2019-08-17 6:06:12 PM  

scottydoesntknow: My favorite description of the GAU-8 Avenger

[i.imgur.com image 640x407]


Wasn't the oroginal nickname of the A-10 during development "The Holster?"
 
2019-08-17 6:15:32 PM  

dragonchild: The one thing I don't get about Fark's perpetual sloppy BJ of the A-10 (really just the cannon) is the BRRT meme itself. 4200rpm is way too fast to resemble a machine gun sound. The recordings I've heard of the GAU-8 had more of an angry VWEEE sound. You could almost mistake it for an engine going haywire.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H_E_Dkm​B​Ce0

The BRRT starts around 1 minute in. If you want just engine noise, listen to the first minute. From the ground, the GAU-8 sounds like a series of mechanical farts; but, since I'm just a retired infantryman it's likely my hearing isn't so great. Might be one of those "yanny" vs "laurel" things or whatever kids argue about these days.
 
2019-08-17 6:16:13 PM  
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2019-08-17 6:18:16 PM  
A classic video...
Eric Schwartz - Unsporting -= Amiga 50fps =-
Youtube C6zqiaBJ9O0
 
2019-08-17 6:47:31 PM  
Now..We also need to get on building a new fleet of OV-10 Bronco..One of the most useful small
aircraft ever..It's the C-130 of small planes...It can work close air, observation, electronic warfare,
medical evacuation, special ops, etc... It can land on crappy airfields, and use off the shelf parts
and is relatively cheap and easy to repair..

Stop trying to make one tool do every job...
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2019-08-17 6:48:07 PM  

roostercube: dragonchild: The one thing I don't get about Fark's perpetual sloppy BJ of the A-10 (really just the cannon) is the BRRT meme itself. 4200rpm is way too fast to resemble a machine gun sound. The recordings I've heard of the GAU-8 had more of an angry VWEEE sound. You could almost mistake it for an engine going haywire.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H_E_DkmB​Ce0

The BRRT starts around 1 minute in. If you want just engine noise, listen to the first minute. From the ground, the GAU-8 sounds like a series of mechanical farts; but, since I'm just a retired infantryman it's likely my hearing isn't so great. Might be one of those "yanny" vs "laurel" things or whatever kids argue about these days.


funnied for the sarcasm at the end.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2019-08-17 6:49:51 PM  

Mr. Shabooboo: Now..We also need to get on building a new fleet of OV-10 Bronco..One of the most useful small
aircraft ever..It's the C-130 of small planes...It can work close air, observation, electronic warfare,
medical evacuation, special ops, etc... It can land on crappy airfields, and use off the shelf parts
and is relatively cheap and easy to repair..

Stop trying to make one tool do every job...


Your second paragraph would seem contraindicative of the first...
 
2019-08-17 6:51:25 PM  

roostercube: dragonchild: The one thing I don't get about Fark's perpetual sloppy BJ of the A-10 (really just the cannon) is the BRRT meme itself. 4200rpm is way too fast to resemble a machine gun sound. The recordings I've heard of the GAU-8 had more of an angry VWEEE sound. You could almost mistake it for an engine going haywire.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H_E_DkmB​Ce0

The BRRT starts around 1 minute in. If you want just engine noise, listen to the first minute. From the ground, the GAU-8 sounds like a series of mechanical farts; but, since I'm just a retired infantryman it's likely my hearing isn't so great. Might be one of those "yanny" vs "laurel" things or whatever kids argue about these days.


Knowing what those rounds do to armor... I'm wet. Thanks for the porn.
 
2019-08-17 6:54:04 PM  

dragonchild: The one thing I don't get about Fark's perpetual sloppy BJ of the A-10 (really just the cannon) is the BRRT meme itself. 4200rpm is way too fast to resemble a machine gun sound. The recordings I've heard of the GAU-8 had more of an angry VWEEE sound. You could almost mistake it for an engine going haywire.


It's not going to suck itself.
 
2019-08-17 7:01:14 PM  

TWX: Mr. Shabooboo: Now..We also need to get on building a new fleet of OV-10 Bronco..One of the most useful small
aircraft ever..It's the C-130 of small planes...It can work close air, observation, electronic warfare,
medical evacuation, special ops, etc... It can land on crappy airfields, and use off the shelf parts
and is relatively cheap and easy to repair..

Stop trying to make one tool do every job...

Your second paragraph would seem contraindicative of the first...


I see where you're coming from...But that was sort of a jab at the AF for trying to use large aircraft
that are expensive to run in places where a small cheap plane would do..Making things WAY more complicated
than necessary (e.g. making a problem where none actually exists) with requirements for performance where
another tool would work doing the same type of job, that's cheaper and more suited to that type of work.

For example, do you really need to go through all the hassle of making a landing strip to accommodate
a C-130 when you could take one or  two OV-10's on an existing dirt road for a re-load or to drop off
supplies and pick up a wounded soldier?
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2019-08-17 7:24:51 PM  

Mr. Shabooboo: TWX: Mr. Shabooboo: Now..We also need to get on building a new fleet of OV-10 Bronco..One of the most useful small
aircraft ever..It's the C-130 of small planes...It can work close air, observation, electronic warfare,
medical evacuation, special ops, etc... It can land on crappy airfields, and use off the shelf parts
and is relatively cheap and easy to repair..

Stop trying to make one tool do every job...

Your second paragraph would seem contraindicative of the first...

I see where you're coming from...But that was sort of a jab at the AF for trying to use large aircraft
that are expensive to run in places where a small cheap plane would do..Making things WAY more complicated
than necessary (e.g. making a problem where none actually exists) with requirements for performance where
another tool would work doing the same type of job, that's cheaper and more suited to that type of work.

For example, do you really need to go through all the hassle of making a landing strip to accommodate
a C-130 when you could take one or  two OV-10's on an existing dirt road for a re-load or to drop off
supplies and pick up a wounded soldier?


Don't they normally use helicopters for missions that are below a certain threshold, and don't they practice aerial drop manoeuvres like parachute-dropping Humvees and crated materiel into places where aircraft can't land?

I'm certainly not saying that there isn't such a role, but in the case of the particular aircraft that you've discussed it appears that it largely ended service almost 25 years ago. Rather than attempt to start production of the same aircraft, perhaps it would make sense to re-evaluate what about that aircraft was good, what left a lot to be desired, and see if either a military version of an existing aircraft or else a new, simple aircraft would be more suited. A full analysis of the kinds of war we've fought evaluated against the kinds of war we thought we were going to fight, and the roles that our equipment was designed for versus what it has actually been used for and our current capabilities should play a large part in future planning.

If they hadn't already retired those planes then there might be a stronger case for continuing to keep them flying, but twenty five years not flying has undoubtedly taken its toll on even the most meticulously stored not-for-display examples. Tucson's soil is less hard on aircraft than many other places, but that doesn't mean that it's beneficial to stored aircraft either. In contrast, the A-10 has seen continuous service, and even if its role is different than the intended anti-armor role it was designed for, it has proven through at least three major conflicts to be effective. Maintaining what we have already providing service would be more cost-effective than resurrecting something that's essentially no longer in service in any meaningful numbers.
 
amb [TotalFark]
2019-08-17 7:26:28 PM  
Just after Desert Storm, I was playing golf at City Park in New Orleans. A squadron of A-10s flew over us. Everyone just stopped and watched them until they were gone.
 
2019-08-17 7:29:44 PM  
What a President should have done is called the Chief of Staff of the Air Force into the Oval Office, and simply said...

"You don't like the A-10? Fine. I just gave them to the Army. Have a nice day."
 
2019-08-17 7:38:25 PM  
The Warthog is the badass plane that is still kicking butt and blowing things up despite it being well over 40 years old. Here are reasons why.
1. You can fire 20mm armor piercing shells at it and the titanium armor plating can handle it.
2. Shoot the plane's hydraulic system full of holes and you can still fly it to a friendly airbase without many problems.
3. You can patch the wings and get it flying in very little time. You can interchange parts with other Warthogs with few problems. The cockpit windows won't break if you shoot them.
4. If you want to destroy tanks and armored vehicles, you can arm the Warthog with a variety of bombs, as well as with rockets, thanks to the adaptable wing mounts. Put on air-to-air missiles if you want to knock out helicopters. And the GAU-8 Gatling gun will BRRRRT you to death.
5. It may be slow, but you can manuever like crazy and blast the everlasting f*ck out of everything at low altitude.
6. Warthog is an awesome nickname that matches the plane. That and the "Cross of Death."
 
2019-08-17 7:46:53 PM  

Chris Ween: Its a perfect ground support jet.  And we need that in an era of constant small scale battles in perma-war with terrorists...and terrorists we make without perma-war.


But think how effective local Murikan right wing white supremacist militia members armed with AR-15s will be against them. Because Jesus.


--- Harlee ---
"Be kind to your Glass"®
 
2019-08-17 7:59:14 PM  
What was wrong with the F-22 Raptor?
Why didn't you just stop there for a while?
Who else has something that could take down one of those ?
Russians? Maybe, but even if they did, it's still Russian Tech meaning itll only half ass work at the beat of times.
China?  They have a billion+ people but not a single original idea between them since the invention of Kung Fu. Stealing our tech and trying to clone it is their best bet.
Other than that,there are no other baddies who'd want to take on or even be close to being able to take the US on in an all out brawl.
However it's been proven that the US sucks at Gorilla Warfare. Mainly because they have to abide by rules of engagement where as terrorists dont.
 
2019-08-17 8:02:19 PM  
It really is an unholy sound, everything you have ever heard about how it is in person (at least on the ground) is true. A lot of things in life are hyped up to the point that they're inevitably a letdown, not so here.
 
2019-08-17 8:02:28 PM  

Mr. Shabooboo: Now..We also need to get on building a new fleet of OV-10 Bronco..One of the most useful small
aircraft ever..It's the C-130 of small planes...It can work close air, observation, electronic warfare,
medical evacuation, special ops, etc... It can land on crappy airfields, and use off the shelf parts
and is relatively cheap and easy to repair..

Stop trying to make one tool do every job...


Jalopnik - Mar 11 2016 - OV-10 Broncos Were Sent To Fight ISIS And They Kicked Ass
 
2019-08-17 8:08:09 PM  
A-10 thread?
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2019-08-17 8:13:37 PM  

Mr. Shabooboo: Now..We also need to get on building a new fleet of OV-10 Bronco..One of the most useful small
aircraft ever..It's the C-130 of small planes...It can work close air, observation, electronic warfare,
medical evacuation, special ops, etc... It can land on crappy airfields, and use off the shelf parts
and is relatively cheap and easy to repair..


Look at this fellow over here, actually knowing his shiat.

The Air Force understandably wants flashy toys, CAS and observation do not fall in that category unfortunately. Yes, there must always be eyes set on looking down the road but not to the point that immediate and near-future concerns are swept aside. I don't need your Lamborghini to go to the store, give me a damn beater and I'll still be able to return with some milk.
 
2019-08-17 8:20:41 PM  

TWX: If they hadn't already retired those planes then there might be a stronger case for continuing to keep them flying, but twenty five years not flying has undoubtedly taken its toll on even the most meticulously stored not-for-display examples.


They pulled a couple OV-10s out of the boneyard as a test refurbishment.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-is-​a​merica-using-these-antique-planes-to-f​ight-isis
 
2019-08-17 8:23:55 PM  

TotallyRealNotFake: What was wrong with the F-22 Raptor?


We didn't make enough of them for the Air Force. And we didn't make a Navy version.

We still needed something like the F-35B for USMC STOVL capability, so we'd have to invest in a separate aircraft for that. But there is no reason we couldn't have skipped the F-35A and built more F-22s (and also updated builds of the F-16 for a cheaper aircraft when we don't need the F-22). There is no reason we couldn't build a F-22 version for the US Navy (and also updated builds of the F-18 for a cheaper aircraft when we don't need the F-22).
 
2019-08-17 8:33:37 PM  
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2019-08-17 8:38:23 PM  

TotallyRealNotFake: What was wrong with the F-22 Raptor?



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Some minor issues with the skin...
 
2019-08-17 8:39:32 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: TotallyRealNotFake: What was wrong with the F-22 Raptor?


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Some minor issues with the skin...


Dont cheap out on the rivets and that should clear up that crap.
 
2019-08-17 8:40:50 PM  

Mr. Shabooboo: Now..We also need to get on building a new fleet of OV-10 Bronco..One of the most useful small
aircraft ever..It's the C-130 of small planes...It can work close air, observation, electronic warfare,
medical evacuation, special ops, etc... It can land on crappy airfields, and use off the shelf parts
and is relatively cheap and easy to repair..

Stop trying to make one tool do every job...


Fark user imageView Full Size

Doesn't having a pilot that fat reduce the payload?
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2019-08-17 8:54:13 PM  

jaytkay: Mr. Shabooboo: Now..We also need to get on building a new fleet of OV-10 Bronco..One of the most useful small
aircraft ever..It's the C-130 of small planes...It can work close air, observation, electronic warfare,
medical evacuation, special ops, etc... It can land on crappy airfields, and use off the shelf parts
and is relatively cheap and easy to repair..

Stop trying to make one tool do every job...

Jalopnik - Mar 11 2016 - OV-10 Broncos Were Sent To Fight ISIS And They Kicked Ass


mrmopar5287: TWX: If they hadn't already retired those planes then there might be a stronger case for continuing to keep them flying, but twenty five years not flying has undoubtedly taken its toll on even the most meticulously stored not-for-display examples.

They pulled a couple OV-10s out of the boneyard as a test refurbishment.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-is-a​merica-using-these-antique-planes-to-f​ight-isis


Honestly I have to wonder if that was done more as a way to test of the old aircraft stored at Davis-Monthan could really be restored to service after a quarter-century and how much it would cost, than because those specific aircraft were exactly what was needed for this particular fight.

It would also make sense if they desire to do this every few years. More than 300 of these were constructed, and if they have the lion's share in mothballs there then restoring ten now, then perhaps ten more a decade from now, ten more a decade after that, etc, could help them baseline how long they can keep mothballed aircraft returnable to airworthiness before they should just cannibalize them for any remaining useful parts. This information could be useful for other aircraft stored there, especially aircraft with roles other than stealth fighters or stealth bombers.
 
2019-08-17 9:01:25 PM  
FTA: These aircraft account for about 61 percent of the Air Force's roughly 282 Warthogs.

Soooo, they really only did about 3/5ths of the planes but that counts as the "entire fleet". Military math, how does it work?

/I get it, 173 is the number they plan on still using past "X" date
//rest are for spare parts or the Boneyard
///Can I have one?
 
2019-08-17 9:14:21 PM  

TotallyRealNotFake: What was wrong with the F-22 Raptor?


Its stealth is crap for the cost. There are rumors that a weather radar OU Prime was picking them up in Texas panhandle.

The best modern radar doesn't care about reflection off the plane, it uses reflection off the water vapor on the wingtip vortex.
 
2019-08-17 9:14:57 PM  

TotallyRealNotFake: What was wrong with the F-22 Raptor?
Why didn't you just stop there for a while?
Who else has something that could take down one of those ?
Russians? Maybe, but even if they did, it's still Russian Tech meaning itll only half ass work at the beat of times.
China?  They have a billion+ people but not a single original idea between them since the invention of Kung Fu. Stealing our tech and trying to clone it is their best bet.
Other than that,there are no other baddies who'd want to take on or even be close to being able to take the US on in an all out brawl.
However it's been proven that the US sucks at Gorilla Warfare. Mainly because they have to abide by rules of engagement where as terrorists dont.


The F-22 was too expensive at $150 million per plane, so they decided that that they needed something cheaper. Plus the Navy and Marines needed something to replace the F-18 and AV-8B.
 
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